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Natway,

You still didn't address the fact that many people feel immediately better taking actual adrenal hormones.

If many people on the forum need replacement adrenal hormones to function, that is a fairly strong indication the adrenal glands are weak and need some help.

Can you please address that.

I needed pregnenolone and progesterone for several years. I don't anymore. If you take the time to actually look through the forums, there are many many people who need supplemental adrenal hormones to feel stable.

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