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>>>>I have also addressed the errors in the bible, including genesis<<<<

If you run short of errors, please refer back to the atheist websites.

You just answered your own questions.
You do not believe in the Bible and place yourself above those that do.
All the questions you asked from the atheist websites have been answered before, and it is getting redundant for you to keep copying and pasting the same old questions that has already been answered.

There is nothing for us to discuss. It is obvious that your views and my views are as far apart as east is from west without any middle ground since you are only here to show Christians the error of their ways.
Your truth is not my truth. My truth is in the Bible that you call lies, and I will follow the truth in the Bible as close as I can.
It may not be good enough for you, but it is good enough for me. :)

Those which have legs above their feet. Are you saying a locust has 6 legs directly above his 4 feet?

Quite simply, the big back legs on the locust, etc. were not counted as "legs" in the same sense as the other legs. Let's use an illustration from our popular literature, George Orwell's Animal Farm. In this story, Snowball the pig invented the slogan, "Four legs good, two legs bad" so as to exclude humans from Animal Farm society. The geese and other fowl objected, because they had only two legs. Snowball explained (more clearly in the book than in the movie) that in animal terms, the birds' wings counted as legs because they were limbs of propulsion, not manipulation, as a human's arms and hands were.

Now note the differentiation in Leviticus above -- referring to "legs above the feet" for leaping. The "feet" are being differentiated from the "legs above the feet" because of their difference in function. They are legs, but in a different sense than the "four" legs which are just called "feet." We are being told of two types of legs: The "on all four" legs (which are nowhere called legs; they are only called "feet" [v. 23]), and the "leaping legs." It is clear that the Hebrews regarded the two large, hopping hindlimbs of the locust and the other insects of the same type, which are the only types of insects mentioned here (we now translate "beetle" as "cricket"), as something different than the other four limbs - perhaps because they were used primarily for vertical propulsion, whereas the other limbs were for scurrying around. (Shifts of terminology like this happen even today; check this proposal to redefine "planet".)

Unacceptable? The alternative is to say that the Hebrews - who ate these things raw, for crying out loud - didn't see that these bugs had six legs. Maybe they closed their eyes before putting them in their mouths...?

(A follower of a certain Skeptic responded to this point by arguing that such insects are sometimes hard to find, and some cannot be found for up to decades at a time. Such generalizing nonsense needs to be put in its place: Not all such insects disappeared entirely for any length of time, and the author of Leviticus, by virtue of his literacy, clearly within the context of the ancient world had to be someone with a few years under his belt. There is no way it can be claimed that he happened to live in a timeframe when there were never and insects of this type around, or no one who knew better. Second, our skeptic reports a survey he did of eleven teenagers at a private school, and notes that although they were very intelligent kids, some apparently did not know that insects had six legs. In fact, 8 of those 11 got it right, although 2 expressed uncertainty [in all likelihood, because they thought that our skeptic was playing a prank on them by asking such an inane question], two said they did not know [probably meaning, they did not care to indulge the whims of an errant skeptic with nothing better to do], and one was dead wrong, giving 8 as the answer. This anachronistic survey proves nothing other than that a few kids in one school aren't getting a decent Science education...not that this is relevant anyway, since it is doubtful that any of them ate insects as part of their regular diet and had them constantly in their face as the Hebrews did.)

Notes for the objectors in the audience...

* The KJV is used here, as it is throughout this site, because it is a version with no copyright issues. Those seeking Conspiracy in my version choices may wish to contact Acharya S, or perhaps Solomon Tulbure, for further information on joining the Illuminati.
* To the question, "What other winged insects with four feet?" (11:23) -- I expected readers to be able to answer this by way of analogous thinking, but for some that may be too much to ask. The last pair of legs of many winged insects are specially designed for jumping or "lifting off" and therefore serve a differing function than the other four legs. With millions of species of insects in the world it seems rather arrogant to try to select just a few (six) and claim that these make a hash of Lev. 11:23. But let's just take one as an example. Here there is a site on the anatomy of the honeybee. The picture shows clearly enough that the rear legs present an entirely different orientation than the other four. More technically, they serve a different function and have a different structure:

[T]he hind legs differ from the other legs in their larger size and broad flattened form. These legs differ in size in the queen, worker & drone. It is only the worker that collects pollen and places it in the pollen baskets on these hind legs. The legs have long curved hairs. The space enclosed by these hairs is called the pollen basket. The worker bees carry pollen to the hive storing in these conclave shaped hind legs. The pollen is collected from the body by the front and middle legs and deposited on the large flat brushes on the inner surfaces of the hind legs. Each of which is covered by 10 transverse rows of stiff spines projecting backwards.

Although these legs are used to walk (even as the grasshopper's can be and are), in function and appearance they are clearly, vastly different. It does not take a plethora of "mind-reading" to get the point that the Hebrews were just as able (and by extension of the same scheme used with grasshoppers, katydids, etc) to regard the back legs of other types of flying insects as being of a different order, of being something different, so that only the first four were called plain old "feet" as only the first four on the hoppers, etc. were called feet, while the others were given a differing name such as "legs above their feet". Barring recovery of a Hebrew text on entymology that says differently, those who object to the contrary have nothing but insect dander to offer.

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