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• What if we paid doctors to keep people healthy?   RN Educational Eric B   6 y  1,337  † C †
  
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  What if we incentivized doctors to keep us healthy instead of paying them only when we're already sick? Matthias Müllenbeck explains how this radical shift from a sick care system to a true health care system could save us from unnecessary costs and risky procedures -- and keep us healthier for longer.
  
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• How Big Pharma Controls Medical Schools (Video)   Eric B   7 y  1,461  † C †
  
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  Ty Bollinger: First of all you mentioned the fact that we’ve got the pharmaceutical industry. We’ve got kind of an industry driven by money, and we’ve got doctors that are really smart people today, brilliant medical doctors. They’re using treatments that really don’t seem to work as well as some of these natural things. Why is it?
  
  Can you go back into the history of the medical association, The American Medical Association (AMA), and maybe take us back 100 years and stair-step people to current day and explain why that is. Because I’ve heard you talk about this in the past and your explanation is fascinating, and I want the listeners to be able to hear this.
  
  G. Edward Griffin: Well thank you for that. It is a fascinating story. It’s an important story, and I suppose we don’t have time to go into all of it, but maybe the best way here is to kind of back into it to start with where we are and then go back and see how we got there. Where we are today is that, just as you described, these very smart doctors.
  
  Let’s face it, there’s a very selective process there. You just don’t get into med school unless you’ve got a pretty good brain on top of your shoulders, so yeah, it’s the cream of the crop. The best students go into these schools, these medical schools, but they’re not taught anything about natural cures. They’re taught only about drugs, primarily, and drug reactions and the chemistry of this and the chemistry of that. And they have to become really pharmacists in a way; they have to become chemists before they can even make it through pre-med.
  
  So that’s not necessarily bad, but it is a bias. I have come to know a lot of doctors in the last couple of decades since we’ve been working in this field. Many doctors who came from that lair of education and who gradually and sometimes very painfully had to break away from that and go back and re-examine some of these fundamental issues.
  
  Many of them have made the transition and they speak quite openly about it now. For instance, they’ll say, “when I went to medical school we never learned anything about vitamins except we had maybe two hours of instruction on the structures of vitamins and minerals and so forth.” Two hours compared to hundreds and hundreds of hours about pharmacies and chemical reactions and so forth.
  
  I remember there was one doctor, he said, “you know my wife knows more about nutrition than I do when I came out of school.” And that is not surprising when you realize—now we start to go backward in time. How did that happen? The fact that these great medical teaching universities and teaching centers are so great is because they’ve had a lot of money given to them.
  
  Where did the money come from? Now we’re on the trail. You know the old saying “follow the money.” And usually that’ll take you right to it. Well, if you follow the money you’ll find out that most of it came from the pharmaceutical industry.
  
  
  The pharmaceutical industry knows that if they give large grants to these universities they have a double benefit. First of all they have the appearance of being philanthropists. You know they’re doing good things and that’s always—that’s good for public relations. I’m not saying that they’re not doing good things. They probably think they are. But anyway that’s one advantage to giving tax exempt or tax free deductible donations to universities.
  
  The other advantage is far more important, because once you have financed a research project you now have sort of a “first right” to whatever comes out of that research and consequently you can determine in what areas the research will go. I can assure that if I’m a big pharmaceutical company and I give a twenty million dollar grant to a research group I’m not going to be very happy if they start to research whether or not dandelions can be used in the control of cancer.
  
  I want to make sure they’re going to research a drug that I am working on in the laboratories right now. That’s where I want the research to go. So they realize that they can take their own research budget and transfer it to a university or some research laboratory and get a tax deduction for it, knowing full well that if that’s what they’re researching, that’s what the data is going to be.
  
  So I don’t need to go any further. You can understand when the money is coming from a source which has a vested interest in the outcome, what’s going to happen is the outcome is going to be what the donor wants it to be generally.

   
  

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  Beware of doctors & medicines.   RN Warning Questlf   8 y  3,405  † C †
  
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  Read this man story and what happened to his life
  this guy has peeling skin too.
  
  May be my doctor had given this cipro when i had fever.
  
  
  
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  Let me back up a bit. I ended up taking Cipro for just six days (2 x 500mg pills a day) for a grand total of 12 pills. Other than the fact that it wasn't helping my bladder pain, everything seemed fine while actually on the drug--I had no immediately apparent adverse reaction to the drug whatsoever, no foreshadowing of the horror that was about to become of my life. I was still going for nightly walks around my neighborhood, working out, etc. It wasn't until ten days AFTER I'd taken my last pill that the bomb went off and my body began to fall apart. On the night of October 25th, 2009 I was lying in bed watching TV when I started to notice a slight pain in my left achilles tendon. My mind immediately went to the Cipro, as I'd read in the drug insert that Cipro can cause tendonitis and (according to Bayer, anyway) most commonly affects the achilles tendons. Let me expand upon Cipro's warning label for a moment here. I'm not one of those people who didn't bother to read the drug insert that came with the medication--I most certainly did. I stood right in Walmart's pharmacy and read it before I even left. It warned of what's described as possible tendon "problems" (ha!) that are most likely to occur in people over 65, people who've had liver, kidney or heart transplants, or those who take it along with steroids. None of those things even remotely describe me. And again I had in my head that I'd taken this medication once before and was fine, so surely I'd be fine taking it again. NOWHERE ON THAT WARNING LABEL DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE TENDON "PROBLEMS" BEING POTENTIALLY PERMANENT!!! Nowhere! Nor does it say ANYTHING about Cipro's documented ability to melt the CARTILAGE out of your joints (did you know it could do that!?!? Me neither--until it was too late!). Had I been warned of even the smallest risk of either of those things I would have returned those pills on the spot and demanded another, safer medication from my doctor. There is no WAY I would ever risk being permanently disabled or having the cartilage eaten out of my joints in order to treat some bladder/prostate/kidney pain!!! I'll come back to this topic a little later, let me get back to my story before I get myself carried away!
  
  
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  • don't ignore the above post " beware of Doctors an...   Questlf   8 y  2,840
    
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    don't ignore the above post " beware of Doctors and Medicines "

    i see that not more people are not seeing this cipro post.
    
    but this small info lacking has made large number of healthy people life into hell life permanently.
    
    there are other drugs too having fatal side effects.

     
    

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  • Re: Beware of doctors & medicines.   Questlf   8 y  2,480
    
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    Re: Beware of doctors & medicines.

    link to people expressed side effects
    
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    • What’s the alternative to cipro? One time I had a ...   longterm   8 y  2,571
      
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      What’s the alternative to cipro? One time I had a deadly bacteria infection that was most sensitive to cipro. I wasted my time and put my intestines through hell taking all these other antibiotics ....

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      What's the alternative to cipro? One time I had a deadly bacteria infection that was most sensitive to cipro. I wasted my time and put my intestines through hell taking all these other Antibiotics that weren't strong enough to kill it.

       
      

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      • if i will ever get high fever or serious infectio...   Questlf   8 y  2,447
        
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        if i will ever get high fever or serious infection , i will try colloidal silver. trying to buy silver rods , here in india govt. has introduced new currency, so getting delay for silver rods...

        if i will ever get high fever or serious infection , i will try Colloidal Silver .
        
        
        trying to buy silver rods , here in india govt. has introduced new currency, so getting delay for silver rods.

         
        

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  Coroner Questions Accutane   R Warning longterm   8 y  4,889  † C †
  
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  A coroner is to ask for a review of guidance on possible side effects associated with a drug used to treat Acne to be following the death of a man in Suffolk.
  
  David Chow, an internationally acclaimed photographer, blamed the drug for years of ill health before he took his own life.
  
  Yesterday, an inquest at Bury St Edmunds heard how after suffering Depression and anxiety after treatment failed to improve a condition which made it painful to eat or talk, Mr Chow had killed himself.
  
  Mr Chow, 38, of Cottenham, had in 1994 been prescribed the drug Roaccutane, also known as isotretinoin for mild Acne after being impressed with the results it had for a friend, the inquest heard.
  
  Suffolk Coroner Dr Peter Dean said that within days of starting the treatment Mr Chow had began suffering from dry lips and minor nose bleeds but was told they were possible side effects and would clear.
  
  However, the condition progressed to swollen lips and infections which, at times, left Mr Chow unable to speak for long and made eating difficult.
  
  Consultations with a number of specialists failed to resolve the situation and Mr Chow was diagnosed as suffering from exfoliative cheilitis which led to severe crusting of his lips and in time began to cause “agonising pain” in his jaw because he was not able to move in a normal way.
  
  Two operations and more treatment did not solve the issue, said Dr Dean, and for four years Mr Chow chaired the UK branch of an action group set up by people who believed they had been adversely affected by the Acne drug.
  
  In a statement, Mr Chow’s parents Dr Arthur and Mrs Joy Chow, said their son had become anxious and depressed but was able to complete courses leading to business studies and accountancy qualifications at university.
  
  Mr Chow’s most recent training had been in photography and he had worked successfully, despite being socially affected by his condition, specialising in restoring historic glass negatives and producing prints for organisations including the National Portrait Gallery, gaining international acclaim for his work.
  
  Last year, Mr Chow had been staying with his parents at their home in Bury St Edmunds when on December 30, after complaining of agonising neck and face pain, he locked himself in the bathroom.
  
  His father broke open the door using a hammer and found his son on the floor after trying to kill himself. Attempts to revive him were unsuccessful and he was declared dead at the scene.
  
  A post mortem examination conducted by consultant pathologist Dr Carl Love confirmed that death had been due to wounds with contributory factors of anxiety and depression.
  
  In a statement, consultant Professor Steven Challacombe who had seen Mr Chow at Guy’s Hospital, London said he had no doubt that the acne treatment had been the major cause of the exfoliative cheilitis.
  
  Professor Challabombe said he believed that the medication had also increased Mr Chow’s depression, despite it having been used by Mr Chow 21 years earlier.
  
  Recording a conclusion that Mr Chow’s death had been suicide, Dr Dean said: “He was someone who was clearly a highly gifted and highly talented young man who despite his difficulties achieved a great deal both academically and artistically in his life.
  
  “It is also clear that he had a variety of difficult medical issues and concerns about the effects of medication that had been prescribed for him.”
  
  Dr Dean added: “In view of concerns about the possible side effects of this medication I will write to the Chief Medical Officer and the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency to ask them to look at possible problems with the drug and possible further complications.”
  
  The Coroner said that throughout his problems, Mr Chow had been greatly supported by his family and he valued them greatly.
  
  

   
  

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  • just if you were wondering, I also used Accutane f...   carokann   8 y  3,927
    
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    just if you were wondering, I also used Accutane for a few months when I was 17 for acne. I know there is a lot of people on here who used Accutane

    just if you were wondering, I also used Accutane for a few months when I was 17 for acne. I know there is a lot of people on here who used Accutane

     
    

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    • This is so sad! did this guy post on the forum? th...   jsl123   8 y  4,044
      
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      This is so sad! did this guy post on the forum? this condition is very difficult to live with and i feel so sad that he has had to deal with it since 1994. He battled the condition for so long i h ....

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      This is so sad! did this guy post on the forum? this condition is very difficult to live with and i feel so sad that he has had to deal with it since 1994. He battled the condition for so long i hope he is in a better place.
      
      There are lots of people who got ec from taking accutane which is well known to cause eczema as a side effect. As it dries out the skin so much. Its strange because a lot of people got it from taking accutane but also theres a lot of people who have ec who didn't take the drug so its very confusing.
      
      I hope everyone is doing ok! Please stay strong guys!

       
      

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      • I was also wondering if he posted on this forum.   longterm   8 y  3,799
        
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        I was also wondering if he posted on this forum.

        I was also wondering if he posted on this forum.

         
        

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  • This is very sad - people don’t understand how muc...   Ecparent2   8 y  3,943
    
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    This is very sad - people don’t understand how much this affects people. I would have thought my son was overreacting if I didnt come to this site and hear about what other people are going throu ....

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    This is very sad - people don't understand how much this affects people. I would have thought my son was overreacting if I didnt come to this site and hear about what other people are going through.
    
    Interestingly enough, I think my son got this from Minocycline - he is not convinced. He recently went to another derm who recommended Minoocycline!
    For inflammation - Minocycline is actually an antibiotic! I was really concerned - Minocycline also has been known to cause lupus, blindness, etc. I didnt want him to take it, but he is going to because he said if his lips get worse at least he knows what causes it - and then maybe can figure out how to cure it.
    
    I am very concerned but he is 21 and and has had this for 5 years - at this point he doesnt know if he can continue with his Engineering program because he has to take classes together. As worried as I am, maybe it will help him figure out the cause.

     
    

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    • I know that this condition can be very tough but y...   ECaccutane   8 y  3,839
      
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      I know that this condition can be very tough but your life is worth more than this. We think that we are the only one with problems but everyone has their own problems . I am not saying that EC is ....

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      I know that this condition can be very tough but your life is worth more than this. We think that we are the only one with problems but everyone has their own problems . I am not saying that EC is a small thing . I have been suffering from the past 2 and a half years and it didn't bother me much when I was just managing it . Only when I started looking for cure is when I became depressed since i have been leaving it alone .
      Problem with ec is that no one can empathise with us as it is a very rare condition.
      Try to find something that can help in making your lips look normal if not perfect until we have the answers. I am now regretting taking accutane but I am still hopeful that one day ec will just be a bad memory from the past .
      "This too shall pass"

       
      

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  • Re: Coroner Questions Accutane   FreeAgentNoob   8 y  3,709
    
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  • That’s really sad to read as I can totally relate....   Cottonmouth   8 y  3,804
    
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    That’s really sad to read as I can totally relate. In these past 5 years of ec I’ve experienced major depression & had many times thought about committing suicide because it seemed like ”the only ....

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    That's really sad to read as I can totally relate. In these past 5 years of ec I've experienced major Depression & had many times thought about committing suicide because it seemed like "the only way out" of this horrible nightmare. There were nights I've literally cried myself to sleep because of Depression wishing I'd never wake up again and as a man in my 20's I'm not ashamed to admit it. Not only does this affect you physically but mentally too in every way that you neglect everything else in your life like you just don't care about anything anymore. "What's the point of being alive?" I ask myself constantly.
    
    I'm sorry for this guys but after reading that post, I felt like I needed to get that off my chest.

     
    

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    • I feel the same way Cotton, and I turned 30 this y...   Tergot223   8 y  3,827
      
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      I feel the same way Cotton, and I turned 30 this year. My achievements in life are those I feel I’ve managed to string together whilst spending most of my time restricted in body and mind.. as tho ....

      I feel the same way Cotton, and I turned 30 this year. My achievements in life are those I feel I've managed to string together whilst spending most of my time restricted in body and mind.. as though I am living in an open prison.
      

       
      

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      • This is exactly what it feels like, a prison. Ther...   Cottonmouth   8 y  3,844
        
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        This is exactly what it feels like, a prison. There’s so many things I wanna do in life (travel the world, live in a different city, have a beautiful girlfriend, just to name a few) but I feel lik ....

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        This is exactly what it feels like, a prison. There's so many things I wanna do in life (travel the world, live in a different city, have a beautiful girlfriend, just to name a few) but I feel like I can't reach my full potential when my lips aren't 100%. I'm gonna use those goals as motivation to get better and I think everyone here should have some goals or dreams they wanna achieve just to give them that extra motivation needed to try & cure this condition.

         
        

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        • just lick your lips and be happy in life, there is...   carokann   8 y  3,748
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  Success brings out the trolls   parazapper   9 y  4,655  † C †
  
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  Big Pharma definitely keeps an eye out for its interests and when alternatives get successful, they bring the trolls out in force. The curezone has been swamped with them lately. They attack Colloidal Silver which is well known for its successes.
  
  A lot of them are trying very hard to defame zappers and convince people not to try them.
  
  :^) OK folks, let them keep trying. every few months I get to see one or two new studies to the page at http://hulda-clark-quack.com/huldaclarkzapperworks.html
  
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  Following is a breakdown of various conditions and the result obtained using the old 30 kHz zappers:
  
  Condition Afflicted % Sub-Improve % Min-Improve %
  
  Strep 2.8% 75.0% 25.0%
  Staph 10.5% 60.0% 33.3%
  Viral 21.7% 35.5% 61.3%
  Fungal 33.6% 39.6% 60.4%
  Parasitic 42.7% 59.0% 37.7%
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  So of those in the study who had parasites, 59 percent reported substantial improvement.
  
  This study, however was using the old 30 kHz zapper. Newer microprocessor based models are significantly better and the Pharma companies absolutely do not want you to even consider trying them. That is why they are attacking so hard.
  
  

   
  

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  • The conclusion by Thiel was not that Clark Zappers...   jaguar57   9 y  3,678
    
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    The conclusion by Thiel was not that Clark Zappers kill pathogens but that either the electrical stimulation improves immune responses or aids absorption of the anti microbe supplements the patien ....

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    The conclusion by Thiel was not that Clark Zappers kill pathogens but that either the electrical stimulation improves immune responses or aids absorption of the anti microbe supplements the patients were taking.
    
    quotes from the study by Robert Thiel:
    
    The purpose of this pilot trial was to determine whether there may be any efficacy to combining the use of bioelectrical stimulating units with nutritional interventions [vitamin, herbal, and glandular combinations] for people with patterns consistent with chronic fungal, bacterial, viral, or parasitic infections.
    My previous research has clearly shown that nutritional interventions can, on their own, result in symptomatic improvement when chronic infections are present [14,15]. This trial attempted to see if adding the intervention of bioelectrical stimulation could result in symptomatic improvement to greater degrees for people with chronic infections. Many of the participants were greatly impressed by the effectiveness of the zapper; some who improved, however, felt the zapper had no effect and improvement was entirely due to the continued use of supplementation.
    The results of this study suggest that zapping combined with nutritional interventions may have helped most of the participants improve. Nutritional interventions give the body substances which it can use to improve immune responses [18]. Although this is not certain, it appears that either nutrient absorption is somehow improved [28,29] or IgG (immunoglobin G) [1,19], some T cell (T-lymphocyte), biochemical acid, or some other defense mechanism is somehow stimulated through zapping and thus some segment of the immune system, but not the zapper, destroys the invader.
    
    [14] Thiel RJ. Nutrition to improve the CD4 count of persons with AIDS. National Institutes of Health, Bethesda. April 1997: Submittal NTN B1.
    [15] Thiel RJ. Chronic fatigue assessment and intervention. ANMA & AANC J 1996: 1 (3): 17-19.

     
    

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    • Thiel’s study basically disproves Clark Zappers as...   jaguar57   9 y  3,639
      
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      Thiel’s study basically disproves Clark Zappers as being able to kill microbes and parasites because if they did then there would of been 100% remission of all infections in the patients. But inst ....

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      Thiel's study basically disproves Clark Zappers as being able to kill microbes and parasites because if they did then there would of been 100% remission of all infections in the patients. But instead only 50% of them had relief of symptoms, and that was mostly because of the natural remedies they were taking.

       
      

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      • Actually, Dr. Thiel’s study leaves open the questi...   parazapper   9 y  3,700
        
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        Actually, Dr. Thiel’s study leaves open the question of whether or not the original Clark zapper could kill microbes. Your claim has been refuted by several videos on youtube and other places that ....

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        Actually, Dr. Thiel's study leaves open the question of whether or not the original Clark zapper could kill microbes. Your claim has been refuted by several videos on youtube and other places that shows the original Hulda Clark zapper actually does kill some microbes under microscopic observation.
        
        Also, these was a member of the Zapper Support Forum many years back that posted photos of zapped microbes in petri dishes that clearly showed that microbes were killed by zapping. Sadly, I believe that those photos were lost in a hard drive crash.
        
        Regardless of any of that, the fact that multi-frequency ParaZapper can and does directly kill a wide range of microbes is definitely provable.
        
        

         
        

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        • No it does not. Killing microbes in a petri dish i...   jaguar57   9 y  3,606
          
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          No it does not. Killing microbes in a petri dish is easy because its easy to have high concentrations of electrical power per square centimeter. When you treat the human body there are two limitin ....

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          No it does not. Killing microbes in a petri dish is easy because its easy to have high concentrations of electrical power per square centimeter. When you treat the human body there are two limiting factors; 1) skin limits the amount of applied power because it burns easily. 2) the electricity spreads out on its path to reach the other electrode so that the concentration of electrical power per square centimeter is dilute.
          There are four important factors when it comes to electromedicine:
          1) electrical power (voltage and current)
          2) total time of treatment
          3) frequency
          4) waveshape
          Concerning electrical power, it is much easier to kill a skin infection than one deep in the body because the electricity near the electrode is still concentrated before it spreads out. The farther away from the electrode, the more spread out the electrical energy becomes.

           
          

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          • it is important to note that some zappers can and ...   parazapper   9 y  3,547
            
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            it is important to note that some zappers can and do reach and kill microbes inside of the intestines

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            >- Killing microbes in a petri dish is easy
            
            Yes, but you fail to realize that the media may also have a very high resistance which limits the current.
            
            Additionally, when doing this type of work it is typical to report the conditions, including measured current, current density, etc. so that proper comparisons can be made.
            
            Regardless, it is still proof that, at least ParaZapper as well as some other zappers, can and do kill microbes.
            
            >- it is much easier to kill a skin infection than one deep in the body because the electricity near the electrode is still concentrated before it spreads out.
            
            You are correct on that point and it is important to note that some zappers can and do reach and kill microbes inside of the intestines. This is why many ParaZapper users regularly feel a need to replenish their intestinal flora after zapping, when they use it for that purpose.
            
            

             
            

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        • Re: Success brings out the trolls   #69242   9 y  3,528
          
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          Re: Success brings out the trolls

          What if a real researcher cited the phrase 'many videos on youtube'?
          
          Especially if all of the videos were made by Biff from back to the future.
          
          

           
          

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          • It sure appears that Biff has had outstanding resu...   parazapper   9 y  3,473
            
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            It sure appears that Biff has had outstanding results in fighting whatever he has issues with. That person that you are referring to Certainly appears to have a much broader range of experience ....

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            It sure appears that Biff has had outstanding results in fighting whatever he has issues with.
            
            That person that you are referring to Certainly appears to have a much broader range of experience and understanding that what you have shown.
            
            

             
            

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          • Good try--this isn’t my adorable Iodine, who fills...   #461   9 y  3,520
            
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            Good try--this isn’t my adorable Iodine, who fills the very air with rants of love and acceptace.

            Good try--this isn't my adorable Iodine, who fills the very air with rants of love and acceptace.

             
            

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    • due to the limited scope of his investigation... d...   parazapper   9 y  3,663
      
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      This is a reply to # 2,289,441

      due to the limited scope of his investigation... did not include any in-vitro tests

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      >- defense mechanism is somehow stimulated through zapping and thus some segment of the immune system, but not the zapper, destroys the invader.
      
      While Dr. Thiel did suggest that, it was due to the limited scope of his investigation. He did not include any in-vitro tests which actually do show that zapping can and does kill many microbes. While a lot depends on the zapper used, the best zappers, like ParaZapper actually do very efficiently kill a wide range of microbes.
      
      Also, you left out one of his very important statements:
      
      "zapping probably did not kill "all bacteria, viruses and parasites"
      
      Again, this is probably because her used the original 30 kHz zappers which have been found to be among the weakest zappers when it comes to killing microbes, as is true for every single frequency zapper that I have tested.
      
      Regardless of what any other zapper may do, it is indisputable that the multi-frequency ParaZapper models can and do kill a wide range of microbes.
      
      

       
      

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      • Killing them ”in vitro” (in test tube or petri dis...   jaguar57   9 y  3,622
        • Dr. Thiel did his study back in the 1990's...used ...   parazapper   9 y  3,542
          • so now that we’ve thrown that study aside as nothi...   jaguar57   9 y  3,568
            • Thiel did not use an old style 30KHz zapper. Produ...   jaguar57   9 y  3,751
              • Re: Dr. Thiel did his study in 1996-1997...used we...   parazapper   9 y  3,635
                • Do you have the Synchrozap A11? If so, how does i...   #199184   8 y  3,043
                  • Hi, since I make my own brand of zappers, I do not...   parazapper   8 y  3,240
                • Do you have the Synchrozap A11?   #199184   8 y  3,170
              • How dare anyone compare an AK 47 to a musket...   #461   9 y  3,506
            • 140 of 143 (97.9%) participants reported improveme...   parazapper   9 y  3,517
              • ”Improvement” don’t mean nothing in this context. ...   jaguar57   9 y  3,587
                • Jaguar Wrong again   parazapper   9 y  3,467
              • Re: 140 of 143 (97.9%) participants reported impro...   #461   9 y  3,506
                • - I expect it will get quiet here as the false man...   parazapper   9 y  3,517
                  • Looks like they’ve convinced the moderators to not...   #461   9 y  3,489
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  Zapping is bullshit   #156987   9 y  4,191  † C †
  
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  I get so sick of coming on to every curezone forum only to see a handful of hucksters offering zapping to cure everything.
  
  As someone who zapped every which way but loose for a decade I can tell you with 100% authority it doesn't cure anything. It doesn't give you immortal blood. Bob Beck is a fraud or a skitzoid and Hulda Clark didn't cure anything.
  
  

   
  

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  • Funny, this is exactly what the FDA was telling me...   parazapper   9 y  3,202
    
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    Funny, this is exactly what the FDA was telling me until they talked to our customers. They found out that according to our customers that our products did work and as a result of that the FDA sta ....

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    Funny, this is exactly what the FDA was telling me until they talked to our customers. They found out that according to our customers that our products did work and as a result of that the FDA stated that our products were rated as class III medical devices when sold for use on humans or animals or to treat or cure disease or illness. For that reason, we only sell them as experimental water treatment devices ( not for consumable water ).
    
    So, you just used the wrong one or perhaps, you may not have used it properly.
    
    Our zappers do not cure anything and do not heal. They only do one thing, they kill microbes such as bacteria, protozoa, fungi, etc.
    
    

     
    

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    • ”Zapping” cured me of a 16 year infection that cau...   jaguar57   9 y  3,213
      
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      This is a reply to # 2,275,660

      ”Zapping” cured me of a 16 year infection that caused CFIDS, cured me of a month long lung infection, cured me of a STD, cured me of candida, and generally improved my health till at 46 I was raci ....

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      "Zapping" cured me of a 16 year infection that caused CFIDS, cured me of a month long lung infection, cured me of a STD, cured me of candida, and generally improved my health till at 46 I was racing motocross and beating 20 year old kids.
      Beck zapping with both electrodes on one wrist is a very ineffective way to do it. Most of the electrical current jumps crosses over the wrist instead of going into the blood. But if you had done your homework you would of known that.

       
      

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    • Maybe you should think about why there aren’t more...   pairquirky   15 m  601
      
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      This is a reply to # 2,275,660

      Maybe you should think about why there aren’t more comments. Many vendors and buyers have abandoned the site in protest at the harassment they have experienced. There are some excellent testimonials...

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      Maybe you should think about why there aren't more comments. Many vendors and buyers have abandoned the site in protest at the harassment they have experienced. There are some excellent testimonials krunker, including some helminth-related results, posted as long back as 10 to 15 years ago if you bother to look.

       
      

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  • [quote] I get so sick of coming on to every curez...   david1o1   9 y  3,220
    
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    [quote] I get so sick of coming on to every curezone forum only to see a handful of hucksters offering zapping to cure everything. [/quote] That’s why i have posted some critics in the past, to ....

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    [quote]
    I get so sick of coming on to every curezone forum only to see a handful of hucksters offering zapping to cure everything.
    [/quote]
    That's why i have posted some critics in the past, too many unjustified claims or vague suggestions, not any objective proofs (and by that i mean empirical experiments and observations and measures of the effects, so no excuse for the zappers sellers...).
    
    (cool, it seems i can post again in the Zapper Support Forum , thanks Webmaster :) )
    
    (edit : no i still can't, this must be a multi forums post...)

     
    

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    • Glad to see that you have been restored. Perhap...   parazapper   9 y  3,055
      
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      Glad to see that you have been restored. Perhaps you might want to consider why there are few posts. There have been a number of sellers and many more users that have left in disgust due to har ....

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      Glad to see that you have been restored.
      
      Perhaps you might want to consider why there are few posts. There have been a number of sellers and many more users that have left in disgust due to harassing posts. If you bother to look hard enough, there are some very good testimonials that were posted as far back as 10 to 15 years ago, including some successes with helminths.
      
      There was a period of time in which there was a number of these posts that were lost due to a server crash.
      
      There also has been a number of other posts that were forced to the debate forum because of people who come on here and heckle, so you might look back in there too.
      
      The real problem to me is that there have been constant attacks about claims from our previous products that we do not make for our current products due to legal restrictions. Sadly, these are claims for which we can not provide evidence without risk of imprisonment. Whenever someone posts an accusatory statement, it is like an inquisition rather than a fair public trial. We are not allowed to say anything in defense despite any evidence that we may have otherwise.
      
      The real problem with this is that some posters are making claims that are unjustified, such as claiming that products do not work when they have never tried them. That is as unjustified as anything else.
      
      If you have used Beck and failed then it is fair to state so. If you used a standard 30 kHz zapper and failed, then it is fair to state so. If you have used any other brand of zapper, it is fair to state that you have used that brand and failed to achieve results for your specific needs. However, just because you happen to drive a Simca and it does not go over 100 mph does not mean that no car ever built in France is a poor race car. ( I use Simca as an example because I once owned one. )
      
      It is fair to say that a particular zapper caused a particular problem for the user such as the Terminator caused small round burns on my skin. It is not fair to claim that all zappers cause skin burns.
      
      The same thing is fair for sellers and manufacturers. When a company surveys it users and 97 percent of respondents report positive improvement for a certain specific concern or usage, that is fair reporting. For a company to report that their products has a 60 percent success rate for a specific application, that is also fair. A success rate of 60 percent is actually far better than some medications.
      
      The truth is, due to individual variations, not everyone is going to get the same results. It is also true that the same person may not always get the same results. That is why, when I use a zapper or anything else, and the results are not immediately what I expect, I do it again. The same is true for whatever I am trying provided there is not a significant risk of injury due to excessive application.
      
      So in fairness when someone posts either success or failure in regards to zapping, they should report the product that they have used, and specifically how it was used, how long a session was, and how many sessions were tried, as well as the extent of the success. In some cases, a 10 percent improvement can be significant.
      
      If I start to come down with the symptoms of the flu, use a product, and the symptoms drop to 50 percent, that would make me very happy, If it just completely went away which has been an amazing experience for me, I AM THRILLED!
      
      Good to see you back and I hope that you can continue to make more positive contributions.
      
      

       
      

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  • Since this is in the Herpes Simplex forum, I will ...   parazapper   9 y  3,262
    
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    Since this is in the Herpes Simplex forum, I will call you on your BS. Ever since childhood, I had frequent oral herpes outbreaks. However, I started using the zapper in 2000-2001, and realized ....

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    Since this is in the Herpes Simplex forum, I will call you on your BS.
    
    Ever since childhood, I had frequent oral herpes outbreaks. However, I started using the zapper in 2000-2001, and realized about 2003 that I had not had one single herpes outbreak since I first started zapping.
    
    I have never had an outbreak since then. Is it possible that something else made it go away? Perhaps, but in my opinion, it was the zapping that worked for me.
    
    Perhaps it was the zappers that you used, or the method, or something else.
    
    I will say this, the Herpes virus lives in the nerves, not in the blood, so a Beck zapper is going to be useless against that. Perhaps a pulser might have helped but I am not betting on that either.
    

     
    

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  • Oh David, David, David... You never answered me ab...   #461   9 y  2,871
    
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    Oh David, David, David... You never answered me about HOW you zap, and what environmental issues might at play--the constant failure speaks only to a failure on your part to do zapping properly. Y ....

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    Oh David, David, David... You never answered me about HOW you zap, and what environmental issues might at play--the constant failure speaks only to a failure on your part to do zapping properly. Your obvious disappointment and bitter rage are misdirected, guy.
    It's physics. So maybe it's because you're an alien, or something, eh? Being that different could explain. Do light bulbs fail to work for you to?

     
    

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• Hey..! you're spillin' it all over my hand..!!   blacknngold   9 y  542
  
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  Do zappers work? User opinion counts   parazapper   9 y  11,091  † C †
  
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  The following is just a short sample of customer comments from the ”Petition to stop FDA harassment of zapper sellers” and are strictly comments from actual users of various brands of zappers. College Grove, TN I want to be able to freely purchase a parazapper if I choose. It has been a great help to me and never a danger. I want the freedom to choose how I can stay healthy without the interference of the government. Battle Creek, MI I have surgeon documentation of breast cancer tumor size reduction of a full centimeter in 14 days of using the a Zapper. It saved m ...   [This message is long. Retrieve the whole message]

   
  

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  • I see only vague suggestions and unjustified claim...   david1o1   9 y  10,141
    
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    I see only vague suggestions and unjustified claims of people who have probably used several treatments at the same time (very common, read the posts on these forums) This does not make your de ....

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    I see only vague suggestions and unjustified claims of people who have probably used several treatments at the same time (very common, read the posts on these forums)
    
    This does not make your devices look effective and useful...
    
    From my experiences and results (i have used only one treatment at the same time), i agree that a zapper with a sharp square wave with a high enough frequency with a high enough voltage, with a "positive offset", with conductive electrodes, if used properly, can help to give "energy" to the body in some way, and can help to disturb the parasitic worms and make them move and maybe help to kill some small larvaes.
    But it is certainly not a very efficient treatment to get rid of some infections (adult parasitic worms), i have had better results with some herbs, with ascorbic acid and fasting, with lemon juice and fasting...
    
    I hope that someday you will get more courageous (or more honest) and do some serious experiments to show us what the electric signals produced by your devices can do or cannot do to some harmful organisms. With objective measures.

     
    

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    • You sure you have worms or is it your imagination?...   aifam55   9 y  10,035
      
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      This is a reply to # 2,256,011

      You sure you have worms or is it your imagination? How do you know? Do you feel them in your head?

      You sure you have worms or is it your imagination? How do you know? Do you feel them in your head?

       
      

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      • I know i have parasitic worms for some reasons : ...   david1o1   9 y  9,825
        
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        This is a reply to # 2,256,033

        I know i have parasitic worms for some reasons : Regularly i do a cleanse/treatment and the same things happen (with less disconforts/pains if i do it often, with more disconforts/pains if i don’ ....

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        I know i have parasitic worms for some reasons :
        Regularly i do a cleanse/treatment and the same things happen (with less disconforts/pains if i do it often, with more disconforts/pains if i don't do it for a few months)
        - i can feel when the worms let go their hooks or when they contracts or when they move, there is no other sensation like this, they probably try to avoid the anti helmint substances.
        - after the cleanse/treatment i may have some disconforts/pains in some parts of the body (muscles, head, lungs, intestines, gallbladder/liver tubes) and the pressure increases in my body (probably due to the inflamations caused by the deaths of some worms)
        - after some hours/days i eliminate worms parts in the mucus (from the nose/throat) and in the feces/water (from the anus)
        
        Then the pressure decreases in my body (probably due to less/no inflammation)
        
        I have had some good results (worms killed and eliminated) with some herbs, with lemon juice, with l-ascorbic acid. But unfortunately, even if i manage to keep the load low enough to be able to live, they always seem to reproduce/grow back...
        
        It is known by official doctors that some larvaes can move to all parts of the body (toxocara larvaes, taenia larvaes, Ascaris larvaes)
        
        So no it is not in my imagination.
        A photo or video of the number of dead worms parts in the mucus (from the nose/throat) and in the feces/water (from the anus) is what i mean by objective proofs.
        
        What is surprising and frustrating at the same time is that last summer i have ingested official anti helmints drugs againt taenias and against roundworms (toxocara, ascaris, ...) but it does not seem to have killed many... And the doctors i have consulted in my country don't consider this seriously. So that's why i use others treatments (including electrisation devices, even if they are poorly effective against big adult parasitic worms)

         
        

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      I have done experiments that are plenty serious and have proven that ParaZapper products can do some things that other zappers do not do. Perhaps one day, I will publish those other results but ....

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      I have done experiments that are plenty serious and have proven that ParaZapper products can do some things that other zappers do not do.
      
      Perhaps one day, I will publish those other results but not as long as I am involved in zappers or at least until they are fully legalized in the US.
      
      

       
      

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      • [quote] I have done experiments that are plenty s...   david1o1   9 y  10,211
        
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        [quote] I have done experiments that are plenty serious and have proven that ParaZapper products can do some things that other zappers do not do. [/quote] Where ? I see only vague suggestions a ....

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        [quote]
        I have done experiments that are plenty serious and have proven that ParaZapper products can do some things that other zappers do not do.
        [/quote]
        Where ? I see only vague suggestions and one experiment (with your 2 jars of water and we don't know which kinds of organisms have been killed or not) and jaguar57 (another zapper maker/seller) has commented about this :
        "Yours clears algae in a jar of water. congratulations!"
        here : //www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2198111#i
        
        So yes you spread more vague suggestions and unjustified claims than serious experiments and results...

         
        

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        • - jaguar57 (another zapper maker/seller) has comm...   parazapper   9 y  9,686
          
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          - jaguar57 (another zapper maker/seller) has commented A very uninformed comment to which I replied. It does not just kill algae, it killed everything, bacteria, protozoa, and fungi. Micro ....

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          >- jaguar57 (another zapper maker/seller) has commented
          
          A very uninformed comment to which I replied.
          
          It does not just kill algae, it killed everything, bacteria, protozoa, and fungi. Microscopic observation found "no living microbes" in the water.
          
          If it only killed algae, the water might not be green, but it would still be cloudy.
          
          The plain and simple truth is that Michael ( Jaguar ) would love to discount this but his Beck zapper and the Beck Magnetic Pulser combined can not match this level of success.
          
          Nothing vague about it! ParaZapper is plainly superior. I posted the challenge to other zapper makers and sellers to show that their products can do the same. Not one has succeeded so far.
          
          

           
          

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          • [quote] It does not just kill algae, it killed ev...   david1o1   9 y  9,743
            
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            This is a reply to # 2,256,303

            [quote] It does not just kill algae, it killed everything, bacteria, protozoa, and fungi. Microscopic observation found ”no living microbes” in the water. [/quote] Ok, show us a photo/video bef ....

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            It does not just kill algae, it killed everything, bacteria, protozoa, and fungi. Microscopic observation found "no living microbes" in the water.
            [/quote]
            Ok, show us a photo/video before/during/after

             
            

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            • I have a video of after. Do not care to upload it ...   parazapper   9 y  9,669
              
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              I have a video of after. Do not care to upload it though. Sorry about that.

              I have a video of after. Do not care to upload it though. Sorry about that.
              
              
              
              

               
              

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              • Yes that’s why i criticize your behavior, plenty o...   david1o1   9 y  9,690
                
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                Yes that’s why i criticize your behavior, plenty of claims but no proof provided...

                Yes that's why i criticize your behavior, plenty of claims but no proof provided...

                 
                

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                • Sorry, the video is very long and I would have to ...   parazapper   9 y  9,551
          • ”It does not just kill algae, it killed everything...   sdrt123   8 y  9,097
            • What frequency are your cells? Anywhere near the f...   #461   8 y  9,198
              • ”Please stop believing (or trying to make others b...   sdrt123   8 y  9,145
                • Wow---life must be difficult when you have no comm...   #461   8 y  9,242
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                    • Yup, thought so. And I dislike any one who’s here ...   #461   8 y  8,992
                  • ” Obviously gasoline is in no way comparable to h...   roberte58   8 y  9,041
                    • - Some herbs are very toxic... eh ? Yes, and so...   parazapper   8 y  9,019
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                    • Just be aware, if you have not read some past post...   roberte58   8 y  8,998
                      • - are not killed and move to others parts Sure...   parazapper   8 y  9,028
                      • Thanks for all the fear mongering roberte58--they ...   #461   8 y  9,295
                • ” Lately we have quite a few alternative health d...   roberte58   8 y  9,073
                  • - may alter the composition of your blood in some ...   parazapper   8 y  8,916
              • ” you can’t even feel it, because you, compared ...   roberte58   8 y  9,222
                • No, but there are certain high pitch frequencies t...   parazapper   8 y  8,941
                • Wow, that’s such an inane anology I don’t even kno...   #461   8 y  9,245
            • Zappers do work but User opinion still counts   parazapper   8 y  9,227
              • ” There has probably been over 1 million zappers ...   roberte58   8 y  9,121
                • Our sales page is not trying to be convincing of a...   parazapper   8 y  8,948
    • They all like their zappers and what their zappers...   parazapper   9 y  9,986
      • I would not answer that one’s questions. He is ob...   aifam55   9 y  10,036
        • No, to be honest, i am an agent of the universe tr...   david1o1   9 y  9,665
          • I’m not the one the feels the worms in the head. ...   aifam55   9 y  9,621
            • Some parasitic worms have hooks/suckers in order t...   david1o1   9 y  10,070
              • And you actually feel them?   aifam55   9 y  9,613
                • I don’t feel them if the load is low enough and if...   david1o1   9 y  9,788
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          • Example is Bob Beck lied, NOT Parazapper. No one m...   aifam55   9 y  9,648
      • [quote] I have tried to give you the best advice ...   david1o1   9 y  9,697
        • - so they know what a zapper can or cannot do ...   parazapper   9 y  9,617
          • [quote] you can mislead them with no data or evid...   david1o1   9 y  9,852
            • - You appear to be a salesman, only interested abo...   parazapper   9 y  10,015
              • [quote] Since most zapper makers and sellers are ...   david1o1   9 y  9,646
                • why having the many precise frequencies is import...   parazapper   9 y  9,609
                  • [quote] I agree with them because all of the evid...   david1o1   9 y  9,604
                    • David1o1, Your whole function & intent is to ha...   aifam55   9 y  10,106
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                    • >- You assume and claim that it is important ...   parazapper   9 y  9,610
                      • [quote] Under microscopic examination no living m...   david1o1   9 y  9,943
                        • - You have changed the claims you make on your web...   parazapper   9 y  10,088
                          • [quote] While the FDA investigators did not accep...   david1o1   9 y  9,969
                            • why they are called customer comments instead of t...   parazapper   9 y  9,199
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          • His posts very plainly show why he sides with our ...   parazapper   9 y  9,799
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              • Cute Philo, I would certainly hope that your zappe...   parazapper   9 y  9,802
                • I’ve been dealing with chronic, low grade infectio...   Philo Zworykin   9 y  10,477
                  • Thanks for the feedback Philo. I am glad to see th...   parazapper   9 y  10,337
                    • Mode 3 was what I used except for the one time I t...   Philo Zworykin   9 y  9,845
                      • Ah, I believe that 4b has the best Rife frequencie...   parazapper   9 y  9,644
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    • Yes but he can’t because all government agencies o...   david1o1   9 y  9,806
      • - all government agencies of all countries No, ...   parazapper   9 y  9,785
    • ”Freedom of speech” goes out the window when you s...   aifam55   9 y  9,596
      • Well there are probably thousands or tens of thous...   Xelaetaks   9 y  9,672
        • Not in the USA. Yep, i saw loads of sites making ...   aifam55   9 y  10,102
    • Yes, this is true, however, you have also likely h...   parazapper   9 y  9,648
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    • No, manufacturer claims. No tests to show the pro...   aifam55   9 y  9,811
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                [quote] Objective proofs can cost millions. [/qu...   david1o1   9 y  10,389
                • You are wrong. In the US, in-house studies are not...   parazapper   9 y  9,705
                  • I don’t care about the official laws about what is...   david1o1   9 y  9,495
                    • - Do you think that Hulda Clark has stopped to exp...   parazapper   9 y  9,639
                      • [quote] Yes, she has died, quite possibly assassi...   david1o1   9 y  9,583
                    • - I don’t care about the official laws about what ...   parazapper   9 y  9,927
                      • [quote] you have already shown that you have no r...   david1o1   9 y  9,603
                • No, I prefer to follow my attorney’s recommendatio...   parazapper   9 y  9,819
        • Those guys are very small and are taking a risk in...   parazapper   9 y  9,801
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    • Yes, some are more interested in the money. Some e...   parazapper   9 y  9,683
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        • - n the past and it didn’t seemed to bother you. ...   parazapper   9 y  9,682
          • Even though this David1o1 doesn’t work for the FDA...   aifam55   9 y  9,705
            • [quote] the FDA could easily review all this foot...   david1o1   9 y  9,924
              • Waaa, :) You complaining? haha. You spend all d...   aifam55   9 y  9,700
                • [quote] You spend all day trying to defame Paraza...   david1o1   9 y  9,483
          • [quote] What you see is what you get. 2 jars. One...   david1o1   9 y  9,793
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  • Yes! Zappers do work   parazapper   9 y  9,681
    • [quote] A video produced by me means nothing and ...   david1o1   9 y  9,888
      • - Do the same experiment with your zapper in one j...   parazapper   9 y  9,686
        • [quote] you are not looking hard enough. If the z...   david1o1   9 y  9,534
          • - If this true, this is very good, but here all i ...   parazapper   9 y  9,895
            • [quote] It is the uninformed who think of worms a...   david1o1   9 y  9,470
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  FDA Drug Advisers Have Financial Conflict of Interest
  
  In two recent articles on September 25, 2000 by both Reuters News and USA Today came reports that that 54 percent of the experts the FDA asks for advice on which medicines should be approved for sale had a direct financial interest in the drugs or topics they were evaluating. These financial conflicts or interest typically include stock ownership, consulting fees or research grants.
  
  Federal law prohibits the FDA from using experts with financial conflicts of interest, but the FDA has waived the restriction more than 800 times since 1998. Although the FDA does reveal when financial conflicts exist, since 1992 it has kept the details of any conflict secret so it is not possible to determine the amount of money or the drug company involved.
  
  The USA Today article stated, "These pharmaceutical experts, about 300 on 18 advisory committees, make decisions that affect the health of millions of Americans and billions of dollars in drugs sales. With few exceptions, the FDA follows the committees' advice."
  
  USA TODAY conducted an analysis of financial conflicts at 159 FDA advisory committee meetings from Jan. 1, 1998, through last June 30. The following are listed in the article as their findings:
  
  At 92% of the meetings, at least one member had a financial conflict of interest.
  At 55% of meetings, half or more of the FDA advisers had conflicts of interest.
  Conflicts were most frequent at the 57 meetings when broader issues were discussed: 92% of members had conflicts.
  At the 102 meetings dealing with the fate of a specific drug, 33% of the experts had a financial conflict.
  Larry Sasich of the advocacy group, "Public Citizen", concluded by saying, "The industry has more influence on the process than people realize."
  

   
  

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  • Re: FDA Drug Advisers Have Financial Conflict of I...   RN Educational kwanyin   9 y  3,924
    
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    Regarding corruption surrounding the recommendation of influenza vaccines; there are no restrictions with regard to conflicts of interest for the employees of the CDC or for those of the FDA (Kuehn, 2010). Each employee of either agency is allowed to own stock in drug companies. There is of course the revolving door. The most blatant example of revolving door corruption may be the action of the former director of the CDC, Julie Gerberding. Gererding blocked the CDC's planned retraction of their recommendation for HPV vaccine after significant numbers of girls had died or been rendered paralyzed by the HPV vaccine. Soon after blocking the retraction, Gerberding was offered and took a position at Merck, the manufacturer of Gardasil, the world's best selling HPV vaccine, as head of Merck Vaccines Department (Reuters, 2009). It is a level of corruption that we would expect to see in only third world countries.
    
    In 1993, the Comprehensive Childhood Immunization Act was signed into law by President Clinton. Among the various provisions of the law is one that provides for between $50 and $100 to be paid by the CDC to school districts for every 'Fully vaccinated' child in their district. Here again, we see the opportunity for corruption. Vaccine manufacturers, their shareholders, including government employees, and school districts have the opportunity to make money for themselves, or for their departments. Certainly employees of school districts won't be 'getting fat' on the CDC's $50 to $100, but clearly there is a greater likelihood that they may lose their job due to cuts if the coercion to have students vaccinated ceases.
    
    from: How the Government’s Vaccine Policy is Infected by Corruption: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/how-government%E2%80%99s-vaccine-policy-infected-corruption-1

     
    

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• Historically Quacks Are Mainstream Medicine   Dquixote1217   9 y  1,419
  
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  Historically Quacks Are Mainstream Medicine

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  (The Silver Bulletin eMagazine) In today’s medical arena the term “quack” is often thrown about by those who are the real quacks in mainstream medicine to describe someone who uses herbal and other medical treatments which are not approved by mainstream medicine. However, when one considers the definitions of “quack” and “quackery”, it is easy to see how they can be applied to a great deal of the deceit and fraud found in today’s mainstream medical practices. Historically quacks are mainstream medicine as spoken and written by respected figures of the past. Read More.

   
  

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  Enough!   seb3   10 y  6,630  † C †
  
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  People who are suffering from a serious systemic infection will have searched not only this board, but also the candida Diet Forum and just about every other message board and scientific article connected with candida. They will have read through every success story and spent hours scrolling through the archives. Therefore, jumping in on every single conversation, hammering away day-after-day about Iodine is getting really old. To post about a cure every day, seven days a week, is overkill, smacks of advertising, is misleading and kills other serious discussion—we get the message: Grizz thinks Iodine is great! Got it! Newbies who are sick can scroll through and find it, so ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

   
  

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  • seb3, Are you cured yet? You first logged into...   grizz   10 y  5,631
    
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    seb3, Are you cured yet? You first logged into this forum about 2 years ago. Grizz

    seb3,
    Are you cured yet?
    
    You first logged into this forum about 2 years ago.
    
    Grizz

     
    

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    • Please don’t change the topic--next thing you’ll b...   seb3   10 y  5,598
      
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      Please don’t change the topic--next thing you’ll be talking about iodine yet again. If you wish to respond to this thread then kindly inform us why you find it necessary to hijack every conversati ....

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      Please don't change the topic--next thing you'll be talking about Iodine yet again. If you wish to respond to this thread then kindly inform us why you find it necessary to hijack every conversation with the same advice every single day. Maybe Iodine is indeed the answer, but you have made yourself clear. No need to go on and on and on--it's in the archives and anyone interested will find it there. If you wish to refresh people's memories post again in a couple of months--but repeating yourself every day as you do is not only unnecessary, but also a nuisance.

       
      

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      • Seb, We all know what the HUGE problem is with ...   grizz   10 y  5,656
        
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        Seb, We all know what the HUGE problem is with Candida. I asked if you are cured or not because people have been spinning their wheels for YEARS without a cure. They have been Treating the p ....

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        Seb,
        
        We all know what the HUGE problem is with Candida.
        
        I asked if you are cured or not because people have been spinning their wheels for YEARS without a cure. They have been Treating the problem over and over again, but the candida keeps coming back... Why is this? because everyone is treating the symptoms but NOT curing the underlying problem.
        
        I am dedicating my life to actually curing Candida long term, not just treating symptoms.
        
        I am 100% on topic at all times. I am here to help everyone with Candida. The topic is curing Candida long term.
        
        This means boosting our immune system. It is our immune system that cures Candida long term, NOT drugs that are being peddled by a few hucksters around here.
        
        Now please tell us what your symptoms you are suffering so we can help you.
        
        WE means everyone here at this forum, including myself.
        
        Also study the Candida References file and you will see that I include all known treatments for Candida. Do you have any suggestion to improve this file?
        http://tinyurl.com/Iodine-Candida
        
        PS) I am here to stay until the leaders of this forum begin supporting the immune system for permanent cures,
        
        Grizz
        

         
        

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      • who has tried it?   trapper/kcmo   10 y  6,784
        
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        who has tried it?

        who has tried it?

         
        

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    • Grizz dont listen to seb3, keep on keeping on!   Battleready   10 y  5,489
      
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      Grizz dont listen to seb3, keep on keeping on!

      Grizz dont listen to seb3, keep on keeping on!

       
      

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      • Interesting reply   #89471   10 y  5,533
        
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        Are you on this forum because you have a candida issue and looking for answers.
        Or are you masquerading as someone with a candida issue so you can support your buddy Grizz?
        
        You've only been here a week, seb3 has been around for years and has a concern that is causing him/her stress.
        
        And your answer is to create animosity and make it worse.
        Good job.
        

         
        

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        • My only reason for the response is I like Grizzs p...   Battleready   10 y  5,498
          
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          My only reason for the response is I like Grizzs passion. Im doing a very detailed log with pictures as I go along. I want to share my experience good and bad with everyone. I dont hold any inter ....

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          My only reason for the response is I like Grizzs passion. Im doing a very detailed log with pictures as I go along. I want to share my experience good and bad with everyone. I dont hold any interest either way. but the reality is I wouldn't have heard of the Iodine treatment if not for grizz being active. Unfourtunately for Grizz my protocol has many different solutions that people on this forum have used. So if it helps it will be impossible to tell exactly what helped it.
          
          I'm really trying to normalize my life for me, my family and my career. Im the first one to be cynical on anything but the reality is grizz isn't hawking anything and doeskin have any personal interest in Iodine sales.
          
          I would question most people on this forum who randomly slam iodine. Its not a drug, guess what Ive taken Iodine and I didn't die!! wow! Think about all the crap people are putting in their bodies every day, pharmaceuticals processed foods and people are acting like iodine is going to kill you. Its a supplement that needs to measured and monitored carefully. And like I said earlier, I grew up with my grandparents taking it for EVERYTHING. They had bottles scattered all over the house.
          

           
          

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          • The leaders on this forum should be focusing on th...   grizz   10 y  5,766
            
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            The leaders on this forum should be focusing on the best ways to cure the immune system, instead of just treating symptoms. The perfect example is Vitamin D3, which is not a vitamin at all. It ....

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            The leaders on this forum should be focusing on the best ways to cure the immune system, instead of just treating symptoms.
            
            The perfect example is Vitamin D3, which is not a vitamin at all. It is actually a Hormone that substantially boosts the immune system by up to 500%
            
            Here is the D3 deficiency symptom list:
            http://www.solar-facts-and-advice.com/vitamin-d-and-diseases.html
            
            What would you rather do? Treat each of those diseases with a drug or take Vitamin D3 and cure them all.
            
            This is a shining example of D3 in action:
            //www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2200914
            
            D3 was my 1st MAJOR success against DECADES of absolutely TERRIBLE chest colds every winter, a Candida Symptom.
            Yes, D3 was my 1st victory over DECADES of suffering Candida!
            "Cold-like symptoms - excessive mucus in the sinuses, nose, throat, bronchial tubes and lungs."
            http://foodmatters.tv/articles-1/how-to-overcome-candida-naturally
            
            Best to you,
            Grizz

             
            

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          • Hey, thats all well and good. But seb3 didnt say ...   #89471   10 y  5,774
            
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            Hey, thats all well and good. But seb3 didnt say anything bad about iodine, as a matter of fact he said for all he knows it might help. Nobody is ’slamming’ iodine. He’s just tired of every thr ....

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            Hey, thats all well and good.
            But seb3 didnt say anything bad about iodine, as a matter of fact he said for all he knows it might help.
            Nobody is 'slamming' iodine.
            He's just tired of every thread being hijacked by a post about iodine.
            Grizz is what is known as a threadkill.
            His posts actually have the opposite effect and discourage discussion beyond iodine.
            And that's unfortunate, because many here obviously dont feel that Iodine is the solution.
            Even YOU dont know if Iodine is the cure.
            Even Grizz admitted that he wasnt even sure if candida is what caused his asthma.
            So what is all of this discussion about?
            Candida? or iodine?
            Many people come to curezone to discuss topics with other people. Thats the whole idea behind most forums.
            To discuss things.
            And until Iodine is definitively recognized as a cure, then EVERYTHING should be out in the open.
            Hey, I would LOVE to see a cure for ANYTHING. But simply repeating something over and over and over again doesnt make it true.

             
            

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            • Instead of never ending complaining like a baby, w...   grizz   10 y  6,213
              • The truth hurts Grizz, no need to hide your anger...   #89471   10 y  5,696
                • Somebody should report you. I have you on IGNOR...   grizz   10 y  5,532
                  • report ME?? YOU’RE the one calling me names!   #89471   10 y  5,626
          • I understand your point of view. However, Im not s...   Battleready   10 y  5,648
            • Im glad you brought that up   #89471   10 y  5,659
              • If thats your attempt at sarcasim save it for some...   Battleready   10 y  5,857
                • Sorry, I wasnt intending to be sarcastic. My teac...   #89471   10 y  5,667
                • yeah Im checking out of this forum for a while. I ...   Battleready   10 y  5,659
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  • Re: Enough!   beesting   10 y  6,985
    • I have to say that though Grizz is appreciated for...   Reborn   10 y  5,861
      • ICU literally *saved* my life... and probably a mi...   username7414   10 y  5,785
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