My parents had a large garden my whole life. It influenced me in so many ways. I love plants so much, and have a strong desire to be self-sufficient. Watching teeny seeds grow is a blessing each and every time. I wish I spent more time as a child weeding, learning and just watching. If only we had clearer pictures of what our passions will be when we grow up so that we could nurture them. Eating most of our food straight off the land affected how I view food. Later in life, when I asked people their childhood memories when it comes to food, many would say they remember ca ...
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From wiki. "Berberine is a quaternary ammonium salt from the protoberberine group of isoquinoline alkaloids. It is found in such plants as Berberis Oregon grape, barberry, tree turmeric], goldenseal, yellowroot, Phellodendron amurense , prickly poppy, and Californian poppy. Berberine is usually found in the roots, rhizomes, stems, and bark.   [End]
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Hi, I am having the beginning of a UTI. I am getting confused between: Barberry (a plant which contains berberine, berbamine, oxyacantha and tanines.) Berberis ~ an evergreen shrub. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berberis  which contains   [End]
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He’s a real person. http://drbass.com/   [End]
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Hi please replyyy.....Please tell me about these herbs. Is it ok for male to eat it or they harm male sexua| health? the herbs are 1. Euryale ferox or makhana foxnut its image is here http://curezone.com/ig/i.asp?i=49251 2. Anogeissus Latifolia Wall or Dhawada or Gond image is here http://curezone.com/ig/i.asp?i=49252 Regards   [End]
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Ummm, have you met stanley? i have on several occasions. not to disparage him, because he is a very nice and lovely person. but to the facts... when i met him he was grossly overweight. he did an iridology exam on me that was perhaps the most inaccurate diagnosis i have ever experienced. how did stanley lose a ton of weight? by going to the aajonus vonderplanitz seminars and incorporating the raw animal, and raw animal fats into his diet. he was eating a fair amount of raw chicken livers last time i checked on him. the next time i saw him, after doing the primal diet, ...
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Salt reduction could save 92,000 U.S. lives a year. Shaving 3 grams off the daily salt intake of Americans could prevent up to 66,000 strokes, 99,000 heart attacks and 92,000 deaths in the United States, while saving $24 billion in health costs per year, researchers reported on Wednesday. The benefit to the U.S. population would be comparable to cutting smoking by 50 percent, significantly lowering obesity rates and giving cholesterol drugs to virtually everyone to prevent heart attacks, said Dr. Kirsten Bibbins-Domingo of the University of California, San Francisco and colleagues. S ...
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I haven’t seen the videos, don’t have time to look at them. I don’t know Stanley Bass. Is he alive, or dead? His name never crops up when I search plant based nutrition so why should I get distracted? I prefer living people with scientific backgrounds. The problem I find with Curezone is that it seems to be just a gossip site, with little focus on science. The names I am familiar with are the ones in this document http://bit.ly/4pumZb who have gone to a lot of effort to get the truth about PBN out. I am very active elsewhere, on a few projects. I have just down-prioritised Cz, ...
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Sorry to read that mouseclick so. Let me pose a question or two. In the Stanley Bass interview Bass mentions his numerous dietry changes and some of the results of those changes. What processes have you used to evaluate your dietry out changes? And why have you selected those criteria? When using the 80/10/10 vegfriut/protein/carbs ratios for example, many do not realise that those figures are in terms of energy-calories not weight/volume. What ratios are you using? Where I am going is to examine the question of fruit/veg balance and I wish to follow through on your protein and ca ...
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Mouseclick my friend, if you do not click on links, then you are missing a great deal. The word ”awkward” springs to mind here. So here it is: a sample of the Dr Bass diet protocol from the link I originally provided, which I think you will find is essentially plant-based, although not plants exclusively. ***************************** 100% Raw Diet Sample Menu for One Week General directions: Eat and finish (a) before going to (b). Eat and finish (b) before going to (c), and so on. Eat all letters (a) through (d) each meal. The only daily change is in (d) or (c) in the evening. ...
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I still can’t see anything of relevance in the message body. I do not click on links   [End]
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http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2006/02/23/why-the-china-study-is-flawed.aspx then read http://www.vegsource.com/news/2009/09/dr-campbell-responds-to-dr-mercola.html   [End]
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Hi Mouseclick, this is Dr Bass’ raw food diet which IS plant-based I believe........... http://chetday.com/ultrawdiet.html Chrisb1.   [End]
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I have read the content of these posts (not links) and fail to see how this is related to this forum. Nothing is related to plant based nutrition   [End]
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Science. A meta-analysis on the use of salt........... Conclusions: High salt intake is associated with significantly increased risk of stroke and total cardiovascular disease. Because of imprecision in measurement of salt intake, these effect sizes are likely to be underestimated. These results support the role of a substantial population reduction in salt intake for the prevention of cardiovascular disease........................ Nov’ 2009 http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/339/nov24_1/b4567 Chrisb1.   [End]
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Neither will you at 91 years of age. Chrisb1   [End]
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I’m all for raw foods but he doesn’t look very vibrant.   [End]
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I agree, and I think the debate on salt is like rearranging deckchairs on the titanic.   [End]
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Salt is very poisonous to the body. It can hold 10x it’s weight in water to dilute it since it is so poisonous. Hypertension is the not only issue to be worried about. Osteoporosis can be caused by too much salt, too, because calcium needs to be more abundant in the body than salt and chloride is very acidic and calcium is used to buffer those acids. I eat a raw low-fat vegan diet. I use no salt. If I get salty cravings, I blend celery with grape tomatos and basil/oregano (fresh) into a soup and it satisfies that craving. Sailors die when they drink salty sea water. They would not di ...
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One further point about salt. The body needs minerals, including sodium. It is not true for example, that drinking water containing minerals is good for you — quite the contrary — it can be lethal. The function of minerals in the body is to serve as co-enzymes for the enzymes which direct metabolism. Without its proper mineral, an enzyme cannot function correctly. Without the function of the enzymes systems of your body, your metabolism would come to a screeching halt, and you would die immediately. A mineral such as sodium, to be useful to the body, must be in a form in which it c ...
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Ok. First lets get rid of some folklore. To break down salt, the body has to do....Nothing! Haven’t you noticed how salt dissolves in water - the sodium and chlorine ions instantly dissociate in water. Now I worship the ground that Dr. McDougall walks on but I do have an issue with one point: Salt is NOT salt! The processed stuff you buy in the supermarket is pure 100% NaCl (sodium Chloride) distilled by selective precipitation. Celtic Sea Salt or any unprocessed evaporated ocean water is not. At least 15% of this is not Sodium or Chloride. It contains 3.5% magnesium and 1% pota ...
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Have a look at http://www.thechinastudy.com/PDFs/VegSource_Testimonial.pdf I quote: ”I read “The China Study” and made a decision to stop eating animal protein. I also found the link to Mr. McDougall’s site through this book. Nothing in the book indicated that there would be any help for depression but my blood pressure had been creeping up over the years and I am 5 foot 11 inches weighing 201 pounds. I had eaten for 48 years based on no scientific research. I was stuck in the river of western eating and would have to go wherever it carried me. I figured if I could benefit my health by ac ...
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Part One.......... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGHuIxcxb_g Part two........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7QoP4Y37RM&feature=related Part three........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYUV8I77qQk&feature=related Part Four....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKxCawqsroQ&feature=related Chrisb1.   [End]
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Mouse’, to suggest that Dr Fuhrman supports taking DHA supplements because of the profit-motive is a bit rich and conjectural. The Cornell course you did via the teachings of Dr McDougall does not necessarily hold ALL the answers in nutritional science, and is his own viewpoint amongst that of many within the field of nutrition. We mustn’t forget that both Dr Fuhrman and Dr McDougall both agree on a plant-based diet (as we do), so at least they have that in common. We should also bear in mind that Dr Shelton was a personal friend of Dr Fuhrmans and who actually died of a ”fall” rel ...
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fasting4now, Mouseclick is quite right of course: a plant-based diet is the cornerstone for nutritional health. But......... I would begin with these foundations for good health, which are...................... #1. A plant based diet properly combined and eating only according to appetite, but then depressives can for the most part have very little appetite, and sometimes an aversion to food, and even suffer the consequences of malnutrition if extended over a long enough period of time. #2. Exercise in the fresh air (energy permitting) which is usually low in many depressives; ...
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Thanks for both of your suggestions. I will keep them both in mind. I might just try the omega 3 or DHA first with a plant based diet, and see how that works. I have severe depression. I guess I will have to see. I tried eating lentils today without salt and it tasted better than I thought, so I will do a week of fasting maybe after the holidays are finally over.   [End]
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For me, exercise and a plant based diet were sufficient. http://www.runtex.com/web/1-189.asp ””There is little question,” said Campbell, ”that a plant-based diet has a broad-based effect that will prevent typical American diseases such as acne, depression, Alzheimer’s, kidney stones, multiple sclerosis and heart disease.”” The idea is to try a plant based diet first, and see. Remember Dr Campbell’s 8th Principle: ”Good nutrition creates health in all areas of our existence” Don’t forget sunshine also. Not a lot of that around right now though, if you are in the Northern Hemis ...
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Dr Fuhrman does of course sell DHA, and this may influence his decision. That message of mine is 8 months old, I have learned a lot since then. Since doing the Cornell course, and since about 3 months ago, I decided to go without supplements. Dr Shelton’s health was poor, and he died of Alzheimer’s 24 years ago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_shelton, so it does not seem as if his DHA supplements helped with his Alzheimers, contrary to what Dr Fuhrman suggested in his newsletter that you quoted me on. It’s entirely up to people to make their own mind up on supplements.   [End]
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fasting4now, vegans and/or vegetarians can take a source of high purity Omega 3 DHA from algae, and is therefore classified as from a vegetable source. Other nutrients for treating depression would include phosphatidylcholine, high strength Vitamin B complex, at least 6000ius of Vitamin D3 per day, Vitamin C at 4000mg per day or more, a comprehensive amino acid supplement which builds the neurotransmitters within the Brain, phosphatidylserine, co-enzyme q10, glutathione, This a product which cured my own depression of years standing.......... http://www.thehealthierlife.co.uk/natur ...
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So, someone has recomended me to read the Omega 3 connection, for depression but I think it mostly sites sources from fish. What do vegans/nutritarians do to treat depression? I know to excercise. I look on Dr.Furhman’s website and he recommends taking a DHA formula, is that all I really need to take?   [End]
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Mouseclick, if the Doctors who specialize in nutrition and nutritional therapy cannot agree amongst themselves, then how does the ordinary layman know what to do for the best? For example, Dr McDougalls newsletter here............... http://drmcdougall.com/misc/2009nl/sep/fav5.htm ...........basically contradicts the information on DHA that you have reported on here by Dr Joel Fuhrman MD......... http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1388220 Both Shelton AND T C Fry, two of the leaders in the Natural Health and Natural food movement suffered from deficiencies of both B12 AN ...
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I had a problem responding to this, as my Cornell course notes are copyright. There are a number of chapters on this in Matt Lederman’s lecture. I wrote to Dr Lederman asking if it was OK to cut and paste them here, but he hasn’t responded yet. However Dr McDougall did respond, and his view on this is as follows: He has a few articles which address the B12 and omega 3 issues directly: B12: http://drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/nov/b12.htm Essential fat: 3rd article: http://drmcdougall.com/misc/2009nl/sep/fav5.htm And http://drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/aug/oils.htm H ...
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The lastest Dr McDougall is saying is that salt is okay, see above.   [End]
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I am having a hard time not using salt on vegetable dishes. I notice bragg mentioned here...I bought bragg’s liquid aminos at a health food store, is that a good salt substitute? I have been using it to flavor my vegetables.   [End]
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Yes, I think some people just don’t do well without some animal protein. My body clearly gets weaker without it. But, I think plant foods have phytonutrients that are protective against disease too. Many of them haven’t been isolated so pills can’t replace them. I am a blood type O and find it curious that all of my allergies are plant foods. It does seem that some people do thrive on vegan diets. McDougall, Esselstyn and Campbell have proven it works for many. And that it reverses heart disease in very sick people. For those on the verge of needing bypasses and stents etc. I think a pl ...
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doc10, re’ veganism........... # Well-known hygienist Jo Willard, who had a health radio program for many years, died from brain hemorrhage, after being a vegan/fruitarian for over two decades. She went for a 30 day fast at Dr. Scott’s place, came down with Alzheimer’s symptoms after the fast, and died shortly after. One of her favorite foods was a banana wrapped in lettuce. # 2007 - Harvey Milstein died from colon cancer (in his sixties), very quickly, shortly after being checked into a hospital. He was the leader of the NH movement in Houston for 20 years, a fruitarian/vegan, after ...
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Extremely good post Mouseclick. I would like to add that this is not really news as such, although very informative. Natural Hygiene, dating back to the mid 1800’s via Sylvester Graham, Robert Walters MD, Isaac Jennings MD and many others, had always preached the gospel of a plant-based diet, and to restrict if not eliminate, animal protein entirely. This was later found to be a mistake.......... You may find these to be of interest and the reason I am now omnivorous............ http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet2.html http://naturalhygienesociety.org/diet3.html http://natu ...
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I’m allergic to MSG so I have never been able to eat food that is processed. But, although I have been on a plant based diet before, right now mine is mostly plant based but I have small amounts of meat and oils as well. I have been on a nutritional program by Dr. Gary Gordon. You can see what he believes causes all chronic disease on his site. http://www.gordonresearch.com/ I believe there is truth to what he says, but I would like to do the plant based diet along with his suggestions. I have during periods of long time veganism become weak. I could no longer make it through my regula ...
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Are you still eating processed foods? When I was working on a construction site recently, I ended up being ”the only veggie in the village” and had to put up with beans on toast at the site’s greasy spoon. But I have to say, the salt in the processed beans and bread made me get an appetite for salt again. The only way for me to get rid of it now is to go through that nasty phase of the pleasure trap again, although from what Dr McDougall has said recently in his Nov 2009 VSH video, maybe I needn’t bother. Obviously your case is different though. Apart from avoding processed foods and allow ...
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I am extremely salt sensitive. I have hypertension. If I cut out salt (I’ve used table salt and celtic sea salt and Himalayan pink salt) my blood pressure goes down to almost normal. I know most people are probably not extremely salt sensitive like I am. But, I have no choice but to avoid salt except as it occurs naturally in plant foods. But, I love salt! So, sometimes I use salt substitutes which I know aren’t great for you either. If anybody has any suggestions on making food taste better without salt I’d appreciate it. I know they say that in time you will appreciate the subtle flav ...
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This was taken from a Wapedia article on T Colin Campbell’s book, The China Study”, which quotes the Eight Principles of Food and Health: 1. Principles of food and health In the book, the authors describe their eight principles of food and health [2] : Nutrition represents the combined activities of countless food substances. Vitamin supplements are not a panacea for good health. There are virtually no nutrients in animal-based foods that are not better provided by plants. Genes do not determine disease on their own, they must be activated or expressed, and ...
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I am not really a Christian, but I can’t help think of the Adan and Eve comparison, where they ate the so called forbidden fruit. If anything, I’d say us humans have freedom of choice, and we chose to eat meat, processed food because it tastes great, and plenty of other things. We don’t even think this matters, and we may just accept things and be unaware we are even making choices. We may even think they are good choices, for example athletes need protein don’t they? Well, no actually... We only become aware of our choices when things go wrong, and that’s if we are lucky. The usual ...
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Jeff Novick also appears in the Cornell Plant Based Nutrition Course. His lecture is one hour, but some elements are here Basically, food manufactureres know you are looking for claims like ”low fat”, so will go out of their way to twist things around within the framework of existing legslation to give the food, or more correctly, the ”food like substance” that claim. The simplest solution is to avoid processed food. [Video Embedded Here]   [End]
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If having read up on plant based nutrition, you think it is the right way to go, your problems are only just beginning. The first problem will be overcoming the old addictions. Then there will be the friends and family, who will use psychological pressure to bring you back into the fold - especially coming up to Christmas (”I bought this turkey specially for you”). Then you’ll have to learn to cook new foods (or simply be lazy like me and buy a steamer). Then you’ll find that everywhere you go, there are adverts for junk food, money off vouchers, and she store shelves will be lined with ...
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Thanks Trimnut2. Pure salt is NaCl - sodium chloride only. Sea salt contains oceanic impurities and rock salt may contain some minerals. I don’t know how it is metabolized, and we can do without the addition of salt crystals for sure, but as most people are used to a processed diet containing sugar, fat and salt, and adding salt to meals, especially in the transitional period, is fine.   [End]
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Plants are the optimal way of getting all minerals transported into the body.   [End]
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Very impressive Mouseclick. But on the other side of the coin......... http://www.drfuhrman.com/faq/question.aspx?sid=16&qindex=1 We have to be very careful here in the distinction between ”sodium chloride” (an inorganic mineral) and the mineral ”sodium” that we obtain from plants: this is transformed by them into a biologically active organic form, and of use to the body. Eating sodium-chloride is akin to eating the rust from railway sidings to obtain the mineral iron, or trying to obtain your bodys need for calcium by consuming rocks made from limestone or calcite (calcium carbon ...
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Mouseclick every success for you with this forum. A curio concerning salt for both yourself and Chrisb1: As I understand things: Our bodies need both sodium and Cholrine (as cholride). But we cannot get either of these elements from salt. Our bodies are incapable of splitting that bond. Salt as a source of sodium and cholrine is useless for humans. Plant foods are the source of these elements.   [End]
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On the carbs, I added the words whole food to avoid any ambiguity. Regarding salt, here is Dr McDougall’s August 2008 Newsletter which reflects much of what was said in the November 2009 Vegetarian Society of Hawaii video. It is fully referenced, so I assume his conclusions are broadly correct. Dr McDougall is usually very thorough in his research before he makes a claim. The original newsletter can be viewed here and a printer friendly PDF is available here. Links open in a new window/tab. McDougall Newsletter, August 2008 Salt: The Scapegoat for the Western D ... [Image Embedded Here]
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Mouseclick, congratulations on your new forum I am sure it will be very popular. Just a coupe of points: the distinction between what you mention as a ”high carb and low protein diet” in that you mean carbs that have not been processed. Most all carbs get tarred with the same brush and receive a bad press, including the natural ones. I agree with you about the salt as does Dr Fuhrman: sodium chloride (or common table-salt) has been described as a poison by Natural Hygienists for decades. Chrisb1.   [End]
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I wanted to include this video, and a summary / part transcript, to show the science behind this way of eating. My own background is legal and scientific, and I attach a lot of value to good science. As a legal investigator I was also trained to find the truth. I am pretty much convinced this is the truth... If you have 90 minutes, just sit back and watch. Judge for yourself. The Grand Rapids Community College Wellness Forum, Dr T Colin Campbell, co-author of the China Study 1 hour 31 mins Here is a summary, with times in square brackets after the paragraphs. START A ... [Video Embedded Here]
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Hi Doc10, Yes it would be good to go on a McDougall cruise or one of his 10 day courses for sure. But you can pick it up all for free on the web, or via stuff you buy from any of the doctors web sites. I am not sure if you are aware but there always have been subtle differences between the doctors, for example Joel Fuhrman likes to pursue nutrients, Caldwell Esselstyn is against oil, and Dr McDougall, from his experience, thinks that starch based diets are the answer. This came to a head at Expo 2006 when someone in the audience pointed out the difference, and asked a question. ... [Video Embedded Here]
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Hi Mouseclick! Wouldn’t it be fun to go on one of McDougall’s cruises or his center and just let them do all the cooking, and have fun the rest of the time. If only I had a chef. I don’t do well with beans and rice, just too much concentrated energy. When you steam your veggies, do you eat rice, or just plain? Do you use salt? Most of the guys we are talking about, dont. I go off and on it. Even the high quality celtic and himalayan raise my BP. I do have Caldwell Esselstyn’s book which has lots of recipes. So many involve wheat which my blood test dsys I’m allergic too. I may just ...
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Hi doc10 welcome! Yeah same problems here with cooking, and with being sidetracked. I spend a few days working away, staying at a hotel, and all the food in shops had oil added. The hotel could only muster up a ”vegetarian lasagnia”, which came fries, garlic bread etc. I ate that one evening, then the next day had a delicious 5 bean salad, but it had oil added. I did not feel my usual self after a day or two of that. Now that I am home I am back to steamed vegetables and fruit and salad. That problem was part of the reason I asked for this forum. My short term solution will be to tak ...
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This one hour video is interesting... it was presented to the Vegetarian Society of Hawaii in April 2006 by Dr John McDougall http://video.vsh.org/McDougall.html I looked up the references in the video, and list them below to save you the effort: http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/030400pudairyproductsfalsepromises.htm http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/030500pudairyanddisease.htm http://www.nlm.nih.gov/ (search for Cow’s milk or Dairy products) You can download another video electure on milk by Dr McDougall, it’s free from his website at http://www.drmcdou ...
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I look forward to this forum hopefully becoming a very active one. The first plant based books I really enjoyed were by Dr. Johm McDougall. That was probably 20 years ago. I adhered to them for a long time. Eventually, I started eating all the great barbecue my husband cooks, and forgot it for a while. But several years ago I found out about http://www.vegsource.com That is where I heard about T. Colin Campbell and The China Study, and Caldwell Esselstyn at www.heartattackproof.com  His study was very compelling. I thouroughly believe their methods work, but I ...
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The best book on Plant Based Nutrition is probably ”The China Study”. Here is the website http://www.thechinastudy.com/ and you can buy the book on Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/China-Study-Comprehensive-Nutrition-Implications/dp/1932100385 or Amazon.co.uk http://www.amazon.co.uk/China-Study-Comprehensive-Nutrition-Implications/dp/1932100385. As of writing there are 650 Amazon USA reviews and 29 Amazon UK reviews. From one of the UK reviews: ”Campbell is no pie-in-the-sky visionary or nutritional quack with a bogus agenda, nor is he an animal rights activist trying to find justifi ...
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To provide information and support for people wishing to take up a plant based diet. What is a plant based diet? It is the type of diet that is supported by a group of eminent doctors and scientists, who generally agree that this is the correct diet for human beings. They also agree that the state of health is a natural state, and illness is not a normal state, but the food we eat plays a large contribution to our ill health. A plant based diet is ouir birthright. It’s the all concrete, television sets and manipulated research that makes us ”processed people”. It is very difficult ... [Video Embedded Here]
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Thanks, I have a lot to look into. But the Science currently points to plant based as being optimum diet, I am aware of raw claims and will try that one day probably, I am sure there is a lot in it, but I know of no good quality science that supports it as being favourable to cooked. By science I mean good quality peer reviewed research, such as Dr Campbell provided in the China Study book. Dr McDougall also speaks from many years of clinical practice, and has a list of people’s testimonies on his website. As this type of plant based eating can reverse cancer, heart diesease, diabetes e ...
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..on your forum. Raw living foods is the onllllllllly way to fly. ;-)   [End]
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I am writing at Natural News and other places and doing a lot of research and finding more and more the harm people are doing to their bodies so this forum is needed. Good luck. Sara   [End]
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Thanks. I have limited time these days, because I am working and still learning stuff myself. I wanted this forum because I have been working away from home for sometime and found how difficult in was to eat plain whole foods. It was not pleasant to have to eat stuff which I know can do harm to me. I have not even thought out a forum strategy yet, though I guess my long term aim is to live amongst healthy people who are in harmony with and connected to the planet, and discover my full potential. In the short term I would like to educate others about this way of eating, having just st ...
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I am so happy for you and now you are back for good. Looking forward to tons of good info for us natural hygienist.   [End]
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Many thanks :)   [End]
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Hi webmaster Did you get my request for a private forum? Many thanks   [End]
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Oh no!!! I can’t believe I’ve been spending all my time on the Liver Flush Forum!! They just don’t get into nasty debates like this. This was all posted a long time ago, I hope I’m not too late to get in on it. I consider myself to be reasonably educated on food, but not an expert. From what I can tell, if you are unable because of where you live, financially, because of time restraints, etc, to grow your own food, it is still better to take your chances with organic pesticides than to eat non organic or to eat the hormone, disease ridden animals that loose 99% of the nutrients (that we ...
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Here you nothing that I say? I HAVE researched it! I’ve even directed you to where you can FIND the research. If you want to ignore it that’s your option. Feel free.   [End]
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hehehehehe hahahahaha ok, the joke is over, we’ve all gotten a really good laugh at where this thread has gone. now... say goodbye to all us fine folks and go on home now.. thanks for the laughs... peenut   [End]
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Overall, it’s better vegetarian & organic than NOT!! Simply put, food grown in non-organic farms with ’normal’ pesticides are a hell of a lot worse tham anything organic....research that!! (no ’lawyer’ mumbo jumbo, attitude is uncalled for, straight talk to reply please)   [End]
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You still don’t get it do you. Unless you’re raising your own vegetables a good deal of the ”organic” food you eat can legally be grown in ”organic compost” that is contaminated and still be called ”organic”. According to EPA guidelines only certain ”priority pollutants” are screened for. There’s lots more in the stuff. And if you want verification of what I say please feel free to look in the periodicals: Nature, Science, and Environmental Science and Technology. The Virginia Department of Environmental Quality may have some info likewise. See or ignore.   [End]
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hi InCharge, yes, i’m glad i’m a vegetarian. but hey, what do i know, i went violently insane yesterday. :-) stay well, peenut   [End]
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hi InCharge, yes, i’m glad i’m a vegetarian. but hey, what do i know, i went violently insane yesterday. :-) stay well, peenut   [End]
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I didn’t say you were daft. I ask you if you were daft and your reply answers that question very well. Who ever told you that you need to use manufactured fertilizers? http://www.ebfarm.com/organic_101.html They also have a test on this page. Maybe you should take it to get up to speed on organic farming. Instead of pesticides. http://www.ebfarm.com/kids_bugs.html You haven’t provided one link that indicates that organic foods are not healthier for you than non organic. Or that being a vegetarian is less healthy than being a meat eater. Actually you haven’t said much ...
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What chemicals inside? Are you daft? I suppose you could get hit by lightning while picking the fruit or vegetable also. by lightning while picking the fruit or vegetable also. vegetarian? It means that simply b/c something is ”organic” that it doesn’t mean it’s safe or good for you. I’ve noticed people like to throw that term around alot. All it means is that your molecule has 1 carbon and 1 hydrogen and that’s all it means. LSD, DDT, STP, Dioxin, BDE, PCB and the aforementioned nerve agent VX, are ALL organic. Magic mushrooms are natural and organic. You ...
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What chemicals inside? Are you daft? I suppose you could get hit by lightning while picking the fruit or vegetable also. I didn’t say it made you bullet proof. If you consider that ecoli is animal related to begin with and the governmental protection systems are failing in protecting the consumer that eat those animals, then you can surmise that eating no meat (vegetarianism) is safer. That’s not rocket science, I think they call it logic. VX? LOL. What does that have to do with ecoli, or being a vegetarian?   [End]
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Eating Organic fruit and vegetables that I wash and prepare cannot be compared to eating meat where most ecoli is originated. What does it mean ”organic” ? ”Where does E. coli O157: H7 come from? cannot be compared to eating meat where most ecoli is originated. What does it mean ”organic” ? ”Where does E. coli O157: H7 come from? ”Where does E. coli O157: H7 come from? thank you. I’m well aware from where E. Coli comes. This fact coupled with the fact that many other things such as growth hormones, antibiotics etc. are injected in to animals ...
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Cletus, Eating Organic fruit and vegetables that I wash and prepare cannot be compared to eating meat where most ecoli is originated. ”Where does E. coli O157: H7 come from? The E. coli O157: H7 bacterium is believed to mostly live in the intestines of cattle,1 but has also been found in the intestines of chickens, deer, sheep, and pigs. E. coli O157: H7 does not make the animals that carry it ill; the animals are merely the reservoir for the bacteria.” This fact coupled with the fact that many other things such as growth hormones, antibiotics etc. are injected in to animals ma ...
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If people are getting E. Coli poisoning from apple juice and iced tea can you explain how it is that vegetarians are any better protected?   [End]
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Meat Safety at Risk court ruling last week in Nebraska has dealt a devastating blow to the nation’s program for policing meat safety. It calls into question the government’s authority to shut down meat plants for repeatedly violating sanitary standards designed to combat bacterial contamination and outbreaks of food-borne illness. Judge Joseph Bataillon of the Federal District Court rebuffed an Agriculture Department effort to shut down the operations of Nebraska Beef, an Omaha slaughterhouse with numerous citations for violating standard sanitary operating procedures. The plant was c ...
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