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  Zapping is bullshit   #156987   9 y  4,194  † C †
  
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  I get so sick of coming on to every curezone forum only to see a handful of hucksters offering zapping to cure everything.
  
  As someone who zapped every which way but loose for a decade I can tell you with 100% authority it doesn't cure anything. It doesn't give you immortal blood. Bob Beck is a fraud or a skitzoid and Hulda Clark didn't cure anything.
  
  

   
  

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  • Funny, this is exactly what the FDA was telling me...   parazapper   9 y  3,205
    
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    Funny, this is exactly what the FDA was telling me until they talked to our customers. They found out that according to our customers that our products did work and as a result of that the FDA sta ....

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    Funny, this is exactly what the FDA was telling me until they talked to our customers. They found out that according to our customers that our products did work and as a result of that the FDA stated that our products were rated as class III medical devices when sold for use on humans or animals or to treat or cure disease or illness. For that reason, we only sell them as experimental water treatment devices ( not for consumable water ).
    
    So, you just used the wrong one or perhaps, you may not have used it properly.
    
    Our zappers do not cure anything and do not heal. They only do one thing, they kill microbes such as bacteria, protozoa, fungi, etc.
    
    

     
    

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    • ”Zapping” cured me of a 16 year infection that cau...   jaguar57   9 y  3,215
      
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      ”Zapping” cured me of a 16 year infection that caused CFIDS, cured me of a month long lung infection, cured me of a STD, cured me of candida, and generally improved my health till at 46 I was raci ....

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      "Zapping" cured me of a 16 year infection that caused CFIDS, cured me of a month long lung infection, cured me of a STD, cured me of candida, and generally improved my health till at 46 I was racing motocross and beating 20 year old kids.
      Beck zapping with both electrodes on one wrist is a very ineffective way to do it. Most of the electrical current jumps crosses over the wrist instead of going into the blood. But if you had done your homework you would of known that.

       
      

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    • Maybe you should think about why there aren’t more...   pairquirky   15 m  603
      
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      Maybe you should think about why there aren’t more comments. Many vendors and buyers have abandoned the site in protest at the harassment they have experienced. There are some excellent testimonials...

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      Maybe you should think about why there aren't more comments. Many vendors and buyers have abandoned the site in protest at the harassment they have experienced. There are some excellent testimonials krunker, including some helminth-related results, posted as long back as 10 to 15 years ago if you bother to look.

       
      

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  • [quote] I get so sick of coming on to every curez...   david1o1   9 y  3,223
    
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    [quote] I get so sick of coming on to every curezone forum only to see a handful of hucksters offering zapping to cure everything. [/quote] That’s why i have posted some critics in the past, to ....

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    [quote]
    I get so sick of coming on to every curezone forum only to see a handful of hucksters offering zapping to cure everything.
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    That's why i have posted some critics in the past, too many unjustified claims or vague suggestions, not any objective proofs (and by that i mean empirical experiments and observations and measures of the effects, so no excuse for the zappers sellers...).
    
    (cool, it seems i can post again in the Zapper Support Forum , thanks Webmaster :) )
    
    (edit : no i still can't, this must be a multi forums post...)

     
    

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    • Glad to see that you have been restored. Perhap...   parazapper   9 y  3,057
      
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      Glad to see that you have been restored. Perhaps you might want to consider why there are few posts. There have been a number of sellers and many more users that have left in disgust due to har ....

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      Glad to see that you have been restored.
      
      Perhaps you might want to consider why there are few posts. There have been a number of sellers and many more users that have left in disgust due to harassing posts. If you bother to look hard enough, there are some very good testimonials that were posted as far back as 10 to 15 years ago, including some successes with helminths.
      
      There was a period of time in which there was a number of these posts that were lost due to a server crash.
      
      There also has been a number of other posts that were forced to the debate forum because of people who come on here and heckle, so you might look back in there too.
      
      The real problem to me is that there have been constant attacks about claims from our previous products that we do not make for our current products due to legal restrictions. Sadly, these are claims for which we can not provide evidence without risk of imprisonment. Whenever someone posts an accusatory statement, it is like an inquisition rather than a fair public trial. We are not allowed to say anything in defense despite any evidence that we may have otherwise.
      
      The real problem with this is that some posters are making claims that are unjustified, such as claiming that products do not work when they have never tried them. That is as unjustified as anything else.
      
      If you have used Beck and failed then it is fair to state so. If you used a standard 30 kHz zapper and failed, then it is fair to state so. If you have used any other brand of zapper, it is fair to state that you have used that brand and failed to achieve results for your specific needs. However, just because you happen to drive a Simca and it does not go over 100 mph does not mean that no car ever built in France is a poor race car. ( I use Simca as an example because I once owned one. )
      
      It is fair to say that a particular zapper caused a particular problem for the user such as the Terminator caused small round burns on my skin. It is not fair to claim that all zappers cause skin burns.
      
      The same thing is fair for sellers and manufacturers. When a company surveys it users and 97 percent of respondents report positive improvement for a certain specific concern or usage, that is fair reporting. For a company to report that their products has a 60 percent success rate for a specific application, that is also fair. A success rate of 60 percent is actually far better than some medications.
      
      The truth is, due to individual variations, not everyone is going to get the same results. It is also true that the same person may not always get the same results. That is why, when I use a zapper or anything else, and the results are not immediately what I expect, I do it again. The same is true for whatever I am trying provided there is not a significant risk of injury due to excessive application.
      
      So in fairness when someone posts either success or failure in regards to zapping, they should report the product that they have used, and specifically how it was used, how long a session was, and how many sessions were tried, as well as the extent of the success. In some cases, a 10 percent improvement can be significant.
      
      If I start to come down with the symptoms of the flu, use a product, and the symptoms drop to 50 percent, that would make me very happy, If it just completely went away which has been an amazing experience for me, I AM THRILLED!
      
      Good to see you back and I hope that you can continue to make more positive contributions.
      
      

       
      

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  • Since this is in the Herpes Simplex forum, I will ...   parazapper   9 y  3,264
    
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    Since this is in the Herpes Simplex forum, I will call you on your BS. Ever since childhood, I had frequent oral herpes outbreaks. However, I started using the zapper in 2000-2001, and realized ....

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    Since this is in the Herpes Simplex forum, I will call you on your BS.
    
    Ever since childhood, I had frequent oral herpes outbreaks. However, I started using the zapper in 2000-2001, and realized about 2003 that I had not had one single herpes outbreak since I first started zapping.
    
    I have never had an outbreak since then. Is it possible that something else made it go away? Perhaps, but in my opinion, it was the zapping that worked for me.
    
    Perhaps it was the zappers that you used, or the method, or something else.
    
    I will say this, the Herpes virus lives in the nerves, not in the blood, so a Beck zapper is going to be useless against that. Perhaps a pulser might have helped but I am not betting on that either.
    

     
    

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  • Oh David, David, David... You never answered me ab...   #461   9 y  2,873
    
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    Oh David, David, David... You never answered me about HOW you zap, and what environmental issues might at play--the constant failure speaks only to a failure on your part to do zapping properly. Y ....

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    Oh David, David, David... You never answered me about HOW you zap, and what environmental issues might at play--the constant failure speaks only to a failure on your part to do zapping properly. Your obvious disappointment and bitter rage are misdirected, guy.
    It's physics. So maybe it's because you're an alien, or something, eh? Being that different could explain. Do light bulbs fail to work for you to?

     
    

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  MSG Found To Injure Retina, Damage Eyesight   HH   21 y  4,844
  
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  MSG Found To Injure Retina, Damage Eyesight
  
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  TOKYO (ANI) -- The controversial taste-enhancer Monosodium glutamate (MSG) is once again in the centre of a debate. A recent research has found it to damage people's eyesight.
  
  Scientists found that eating large amounts of MSG, used to flavour oriental and processed foods, can injure the retina and lead to vision loss.
  
  Rats fed diets high in Mono-Sodium-Glutamat (Natrium Glutamat) in Japan developed thinner retinas and began to go blind. Glutamate is an amino acid which acts as a neurotransmitter, a chemical that sends signals between nerve cells.
  
  Previous research has already shown that it causes nerve damage when injected directly into the eye. But the Japanese study at Hirosaki University was the first to show that eye damage can be caused by eating food containing MSG, says a report in Sydney Morning Herald.
  
  Rats were fed three different diets for six months, containing either high or moderate amounts of MSG, or none. In animals on the high Mono-Sodium-Glutamat (Natrium Glutamat) diet, some retinal nerve layers thinned by as much as 75 per cent.
  
  Tests to measure retinal response to light showed that the rats' vision was impaired. Those on the moderate diet also suffered damage, but to a lesser extent.
  
  Research, also showed high concentrations of Mono-Sodium-Glutamat (Natrium Glutamat) in the vitreous fluid which bathes the retina. MSG bound to molecules on retinal cells and destroyed them, causing secondary reactions that reduced the ability of the remaining cells to relay electrical signals, the report added. (ANI)
  
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  • I am really shocked to know the facts from this ...   KaceyYost   3 y  1,017
    
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    I am really shocked to know the facts from this story above. It's been really a bad thing that it damages the retina. It is time to quit this taste enhancer now in all kinds of foods and goo ....

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    I am really shocked to know the facts from this story above. It's been really a bad thing that it damages the retina. It is time to quit this taste enhancer now in all kinds of foods and good to consume natural flavors from natural spices. As essay writers study says that most of the people across the globe are habituated to use this ingredient in their cooking to enhance it's taste.

     
    

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    This is really a wonderful article! I don't really like Mono-Sodium-Glutamat (Natrium Glutamat) and I am also guessing before that they have side effects if using too much of it. Mono-Sodium-Glutamat (Natrium Glutamat) is not healthy in our health and our physical effect will be seen for using too much MSG. I also heard that if you eat MSG, it will cause a great negative impact on the body, the worst-case scenario would end up dead. That's what I heard and that's why I don't use it. https://www.concretecontractorscincinnati.com

     
    

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  PLEASE READ !!! Be careful with Dr. Bruce Rind !!!   #35024   19 y  39,856
  
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  Hi everybody:
  
  I just found out that this guy was malpracticing in his office at Washington, D.C.
  
  I'm going to post some of the statement that was filed:
  
  In December 2000, the Maryland Board of Physicians concluded that Bruce Rind, M.D., who now practices in Washington, D.C. , had failed to meet appropriate standards for delivering quality medical care; failed to keep adequate medical records on ten patients; wilfully submitted false insurance statements to collect fees for services not provided for nine patients; was guilty of unprofessional conduct; and had falsely represented himself as a registered acupuncturist. Rind was ordered to pay an $8,000 penalty and placed on probation for 18 months.
  
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  • On Dr. Rind (Washington DC) I visited Dr Rind s...   abc22   18 y  30,722
    
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    On Dr. Rind (Washington DC) I visited Dr Rind several times and used his supplements. I would be very interested in hearing any further information about him and to be in contact with anyone w...

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    On Dr. Rind (Washington DC)
    
    I visited Dr Rind several times and used his supplements.
    
    I would be very interested in hearing any further information about him and to be in contact with anyone who could either tell me their experiences or could help me with my legal efforts.
    
    thanks!

     
    

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  • I disagree 100%. Dr Bruce Rind (In DC) was the o...   R #63437   18 y  28,309
    
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    I disagree 100%. Dr Bruce Rind (In DC) was the one doctor who was able to bring my child back to life. His adrenal insufficiency was so severe he had the ”Addisonian brown tanned skin”. We reache...

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    I disagree 100%.
    Dr Bruce Rind (In DC) was the one doctor who was able to bring my child back to life. His adrenal insufficiency was so severe he had the "Addisonian brown tanned skin". We reached Dr Rind just barely in time.
    With Dr Rind's expertise and skill he was brought back to a nornal healthy state, something so many other doctors couldn't do.
    
    Professionally Dr Rind is the BEST!!
    Personally he is one of the most HONEST and caring individual I know.
    A most wonderful and extraordinary man.
    
    Not popular with prescription drug companies I would guess for doesn't use many prescription drugs.
    
    Dr Rind is true humanitarian.

     
    

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    • If you are from Maryland, then you know that the ”...   B.A. Scott   18 y  28,213
      
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      If you are from Maryland, then you know that the ”establishment” is going after alternative health practitioners like gang busters. One doctor from Baltimore lost his license to practice because he...

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      If you are from Maryland, then you know that the "establishment" is going after alternative health practitioners like gang busters. One doctor from Baltimore lost his license to practice because he was using alternative methods. It appears Bruce is another doctor they are going after.
      
      Dr. Rind is no quack. Far from it. He boldly goes where no doctor has gone, IMHO. If there's something wrong with your thyroid or metabolism, Rind is your guy for sure.
      
      In the D.C. Metro area, Bruce Rind is recommended when other doctors cannot help someone. He enjoys a great reputation from the alternative health community here.

       
      

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  • I was a patient of Dr. Rind’s from 1999-2002 and w...   R Haber2   18 y  28,511
    
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    I was a patient of Dr. Rind’s from 1999-2002 and would confidentiality recommend him to any person looking for prolotherapy. There are a lot of quacks who do prolotherapy, but Bruce Rind, MD is not...

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    I was a patient of Dr. Rind's from 1999-2002 and would confidentiality recommend him to any person looking for prolotherapy. There are a lot of quacks who do prolotherapy, but Bruce Rind, MD is not one of them. He remains the only prolotherapy doctor who consistently was able to stabilize my back and neck for several months at a time. The "disciplinary action" you reference is an obvious witchhunt. There isn't a doctor out there who the board couldn't cite for medical records documentation if they wanted to. If you want a real quack, then go after Dr. John Littleford, MD in Denver, who charged me nearly $700 for 22 injections when he was only authorized to do up to $300. His charges are more than 3X what Rind and most prolos charge and he never tells you up front what they are.
    

     
    

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    • ”most prolos charge and he never tells you up fron...   Ligatitis   17 y  26,783
      
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      ”most prolos charge and he never tells you up front what they are.” This is so true. This one Doc. said he would charge me 150 and ended up charging me 250. Last time I ever went back. They don’t ....

      "most prolos charge and he never tells you up front what they are." This is so true. This one Doc. said he would charge me 150 and ended up charging me 250. Last time I ever went back. They don't even use fluroscopy!?

       
      

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    •  Dr Little Ford -- if still alive -- is a quack ...   #215073   8 y  8,200
      
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       Dr Little Ford -- if still alive -- is a quack and thief!!  Had similar issues after two car accidents wit him.  Not so sure he isn’t a pervert too!  Many times had me completely disrobe and no ....

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       Dr Little Ford -- if still alive -- is a quack and thief!!  Had similar issues after two car accidents wit him.  Not so sure he isn't a pervert too!  Many times had me completely disrobe and no gown.  Never tried prolotherapy again he left such a bad taste and when insurance quit paying him he charged me large fees upfront or would not see me.  Run don't walk away from Little Ford.  He was off Colorado Blvd when I was seeing him.  

       
      

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  • Re: PLEASE READ !!! NO... IF you are really sick -...   R Kathie123456   17 y  27,918
    
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    I completely disagree. I've been seeing Dr. Rind for over a year now and after seeing numerous other doctors - only to get worse and worse after many year - He is the only doctor who took the time to understand my history and spend time to understand the full scope of my problem. I am finally getting better and my pain is gone where all the other doctors just wanted to plump me up with pain meds and do surgery. So what if he is unorganized and doesn't fill out the files right....besides that would be his staffs organizational skills not his and I don't go to see him because he's organized I go because he cares and tries to get to the bottom of the problem. This just looks like a witch hunt because there are no specifics just a bunch of lame crap from people hinding behind an anonoymous site....just goes to show you that you really can't believe everything you read on the internet.

     
    

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      I have used his method as written on his website and used his supplements with very good results. I have low adrenal and thyroid and his supplements and self monitoring method have helped a lot.
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    Whoever wrote this arrticle is in my opinion not aware of the Dr Bruce Rind I know. I have been treated by Dr Rind over twenty times. He is a magnificant Doctor who has helped me and my wife. He is fair and generous and extremely competent. The Problems he has helped me with are numerous. He is on the cutting edge with Nutrition and in general in an excellent physician. He worked on me for free when I did not have money. The guy is a true healer in the best sense of the word. I have tried his formulas and I disagree with you assement.

     
    

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  Jun 5, 9:09 AM EDT
  
  Schools Opening Up to Alternative Medicine
  
  By JOANN LOVIGLIO
  Associated Press Writer
  
  PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Once largely dismissed as a leftover fad from the Age of Aquarius, acupuncture, herbal remedies and other forms of alternative medicine are finding their way into curriculums at traditional medical schools - most recently the University of Pennsylvania.
  
  Doctors at Penn are working with Tai Sophia Institute, an alternative medicine school in Maryland, on a program to teach medical students about herbal therapies, meditation and other approaches that are increasingly popular with the public but largely exist outside the realm of mainstream medicine. It will start in August.
  
  "We're not going to turn great surgeons into acupuncturists or herbalists; that's not the idea," said Robert Duggan, co-founder of Tai Sophia. "The goal is that Penn medical school graduates will be highly able to speak with patients about how to guide these things into their overall care."
  
  More than a third of American adults have tried alternative therapies - including yoga, meditation, herbs and the Atkins diet - according to a 2002 government survey of 31,000 people, the largest study of its kind in the United States.
  
  
  Universities nationwide, in response to the burgeoning numbers, are increasingly focusing on complementary medicine (used along with conventional treatment) and alternative medicine (used instead of conventional treatment). Some are creating their own programs and others are working with alternative medicine practitioners, said Aviad Haramati, a professor at Georgetown University's medical school.
  
  "More and more there's a willingness by conventional schools to recognize the CAM (complementary and alternative medicine) schools as having this expertise," Haramati said. "And there's a recognition by the CAM disciplines that linking with conventional academic centers to foster research is a good thing."
  
  Georgetown students work with a massage therapy school, for example, and Tufts University students work with an acupuncture school, he said.
  
  "It made perfect sense to us," said Dr. Alfred P. Fishman of Penn's medical school, co-director of the collaboration. "We thought, why start from scratch? This is a very respected organization with 30 years of hands-on experience."
  
  
  More than 95 of the nation's 125 medical schools require some kind of complementary and alternative medicine coursework, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges.
  
  The new partnership will offer a master's degree in complementary and alternative medicine. The degree, offered to the university's medical and nursing students, will come from the Tai Sophia Institute; the schools will exchange faculty members and students.
  
  "If you had raised this 10 years ago everyone would have sneered at it," Fishman said. "Today, we're moving away from being completely focused on preventing disease and toward looking at what it takes to (achieve and maintain) wellness. ... I think patient care will improve enormously."
  
  One critic of the trend is Dr. Steven Barrett of Allentown, a Columbia University-trained psychologist who runs the Web site Quackwatch.
  
  Alternative medicine programs are finding their way into mainstream institutions not because there's proof the therapies work, Barrett said, but because skeptical voices are squelched and "administrators see it as a way to jump on the bandwagon and get grant money."
  
  Penn and Tai Sophia are also developing postgraduate and continuing education courses on complementary and alternative medicine. One program, for example, will teach doctors about herbal medicines so they can better serve their patients who are already taking them.
  
  In addition, cardiologists at Penn's Presbyterian Medical Center are working with Tai Sophia to integrate alternative therapies into traditional care for heart patients. The idea is to teach the cardiology staff how to develop personalized therapy plans - including everything from meditation and massage to reflexology and aromatherapy - to decrease patient stress, pain and anxiety.
  
  "We get the benefit of their extraordinary research capabilities and educational facilities. They get the benefit of an institution that understands the world of (unconventional medicine)," Duggan said.
  
  Fishman said the research possibilities are exciting as well. For example, new brain imaging technology will allow researchers to physically explore how things like herbs, acupuncture, even prayer, can make people feel better.
  
  "In the days before we could image the brain it was very hard to know about how these things worked, why placebos work in some people," he said. "We can image the brain now and see why they feel better. Nothing is off limits."
  
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  Penn program: http://www.med.upenn.edu/progdev/compmed
  
  Tai Sophia Institute: http://www.tai.edu
  
  Quackwatch: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/altwary.html
  
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    This already happens to a degree over here in the UK. Certainly on my Pharmacy course there is a module called ’Medicinal plants’. Lets not forget that many medicines are developed from ’lead acti...

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    This already happens to a degree over here in the UK. Certainly on my Pharmacy course there is a module called 'Medicinal plants'. Lets not forget that many medicines are developed from 'lead activity compounds' Salacin in willow bark to aspirin, Quinine derivatives, penicillin from Penicillium notarum fungus - the list goes on! Only a fool would ignore 'alternative' therapies. They just need research done on them to show what works, what doesn't, and why.

     
    

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    • ergo, does that make the quackwatch guy ”a fool”? ...   icky   19 y  2,859
      
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      ergo, does that make the quackwatch guy ”a fool”? i think we all know where medicines come from. the real question is...is western medicine actually embracing alternative or just co-opting it for...

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      ergo, does that make the quackwatch guy "a fool"?
      
      i think we all know where medicines come from. the real question is...is western medicine actually embracing alternative or just co-opting it for futher gain while not really taking it seriously?

       
      

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      • One of Barratt’s ’signs’ of a quack site is one pr...   hibes   19 y  3,149
        
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        One of Barratt’s ’signs’ of a quack site is one promoting herbs. I do not agree with this, I believe that herbs have their uses. However, mainly they are used as lead activity compounds by the big...

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        One of Barratt's 'signs' of a quack site is one promoting herbs. I do not agree with this, I believe that herbs have their uses. However, mainly they are used as lead activity compounds by the big pharmaceutical companies, who will screen various plants etc to look for activity - an antibiotic, anticancer etc. There is certainly a desire for profit motivating them, otherwise they would go out of business and so are after something patentable (as an aside, I personally belive that there should be more central funding for drug discovery, to allow 'unprofitable' drugs onto the market). However, sometimes the compounds found are not ideal. Take penicillin G - a completely natural antibiotic. It is broken down by acid and so cannot be given orally - injection only, which is incovenient. The molecule was fiddled with a little to produce a semi-synthetic Antibiotic which could be given as tablets (penicillin V). The molecule was further altered to increase the types of bacteria it was active against, and to prevent it from being broken down by beta-lactamases. This is one example among many. So in answer to your question, yes the compaines are after something they can get a profit from, but sometimes they have to alter the molecule, which means a shed-load more testing, safety trials and stuff - all expensive! Western medicine is not embracing alternative medicine in the way members of this site are embracing it. Rather, they will test and learn, and only use the bits that are useful (I believe that there is some interest in how EMDR works). There are good alternative medicine sites and then there are those operated by people who are con-artists, part of the problem is seperating the wheat from the chaff, the good alternative medicine from true quacks. Part of the reason that we are learning about this stuff is to enable us to ask the right questions to help us do this, and to assess the effects of alternative medicine on Western medicine, in order to check for interactions and safegaurd the patient (ie St John's Wort and the contraceptive pill).

         
        

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          And then just like codex and the pharmaceutical industry, main srteam medicine will take over these procedures, ban their use or practice of them by any one other then themselves and you will have to have a doctors permission to grow oregano in you window sill, or give your self an enema! Collaborating with these elitist is a death sentence to Alternative health and the concept of taking your health in your own hands! As sure as General Motors shelved and hid the 100 mile per gallon carborator, commercial medicine will not promote anything that will lose them money! The allopathic industry is a bottom line business nothing more!

           
          

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    • Yep that’s true only FOOLS would ignore alternativ...   superduper   19 y  3,061
      
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      Yep that’s true only FOOLS would ignore alternative medicine, and those fools have been doing it for quite some time. Research has been done on plants and their therapeutic value and usage for hu ....

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      Yep that's true only FOOLS would ignore alternative medicine, and those fools have been doing it for quite some time.
      Research has been done on plants and their therapeutic value and usage for hundreds of years - the jesuits - the germans, and its all well documented. Any new 'research' would just be a watered down version most likely.
      And, most medical schools taught alternative medicine over a hundred years ago, there were many homeopathic medical schools, before they were harrassed out of business.
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  • UK chair of CAM   resurrectionist   19 y  2,629
    
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    In the UK there is a chair of complementary and alternative medicine at the new Peninsular Medical School. He has become something of a hate figure among the CAM community - which is rather interesting isn't it?
    
    Harrison's for example has a section on CAM too. Again it is critical (in the neutral sense) of CAM remedies.

     
    

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      i can't say that i know much about the relationships between establishment medicine and the alternative community. you must clarify what you mean by hate figure. my guess is that this person you speak of might be considered a sell out to the allopathic community. much like what you experience here on this site. with that said, it should not be suprising considering how the mainstream medical community has scoffed at alternative medicine for years(not including outright efforts to outlaw it.). at this point it must be difficult for most in the alternative community to accept the sincerity of outreach from the establishment medicine considering the numbers of people that have turned to alternative and the mega-bucks that represents. in other words, are doctors truley interested in learning from a bunch of hippies that they loath or are they just in it for the money? i'm just speculating here. draw your own conclusions.

       
      

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        What do I mean by hate figure? Well when the Professor (can’t remember his figure) is addressed as ”the bugbear of Exeter” that’s what I mean. His remit is to research CAM. Surely this is good - u ....

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        What do I mean by hate figure? Well when the Professor (can't remember his figure) is addressed as "the bugbear of Exeter" that's what I mean. His remit is to research CAM. Surely this is good - unless you fear research? And why would that be?
        
        Since there are many companies that make millions out of CAM, there should be plenty of funds available.
        
        I don't think you can explain everything by vested interest - because then you are resorting to Conspiracy theory (and you know my objections to that).
        
        The mentality of "sides" is not productive. Entrenched dogma doesn't allow for a reasoned evaluation of the facts. But you cannot expect acceptance of things like the Liver Flush which has been proved to not work as it is said to. For alternative therapies to be accepted by the mainstream they need to submit to scientific evaluation. If they "pass" they are no longer alternative medicine.
        
        There are plenty of complementary therapies that have been evaluated and found to be effective. Something works or it doesn't. What school of thought claims the modality doesn't matter as it is not a point scoring exercise, but an exercise in finding the best possible treatments.
        
        
        

         
        

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    Thank you for your help I was exploring and searching for some alternative medicines for days. But I am happy to know about this school and interested to learn new tricks. I inquire you to keep published here these kinds of exciting posts to help medical students.

     
    

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  Have Adrenal Fatigue? No You Don't.   natway   11 y  17,170  † C †
  
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  This is a good blogpost that I mostly agree with which talks about how adrenal glands don't fatigue from stress and that AF is a bogus condition and is not excepted by conventional medicine as a diagnosis.
  
  Have Adrenal Fatigue? No You Don't.
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  I've started alerting people about this after recently changing my mind on AF because if nothing is wrong with your adrenal glands, then trying to "rebuild" them with supplements and stuff would be a futile effort that's wasting your money and possibly making you worse and is also misdirecting you to what the root causes of your symptoms actually are.
  
  A thread was posted here awhile back showed that the symptoms attributed to "AF" are exactly the same as the symptoms of Anorexia/Starvation:
  
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  This furthered what I had been suspecting for awhile that a lot of people's problems here are the result of calorie-restriction and malnutrition and it also started to make me think differently about AF to which I recently now agree with conventional medicine that AF is a bogus condition.
  
  It doesn't mean we are not experiencing those symptoms that have been attributed to AF. I just means our adrenal glands are functioning fine (that's why most people here have high cortisol levels) and they aren't a factor in our health problems unless someone has the legitimate medical condition of Adrenal Insufficiency where your adrenals are actually damaged.
  
  To me, "AF" is code for malnutrition and I would start there as to what is causing all those symptoms.
  
  
  Is there such a thing as adrenal fatigue?
  The term often shows up in popular health books and on alternative medicine websites, but it isn't an accepted medical diagnosis.
  http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/adrenal-fatigue/AN01583
  
  
  There is no scientific evidence supporting the concept of adrenal fatigue and it is not recognized as an actual diagnosis by the medical community.
  The concept of adrenal fatigue has given rise to an industry of dietary supplements marketed to treat this condition. These supplements are largely unregulated in the U.S., are ineffective, and in some cases may be dangerous.
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  General adaptation syndrome, or GAS, is a term used to describe the body's short-term and long-term reactions to stress.
  Stressors in humans include such physical stressors as starvation, being hit by a car, or suffering through severe weather.
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  • LOL! http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=207184...   #155216   11 y  15,243
    
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    LOL! http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=2071843#i Can a mod unban me from the AF section? This seems to be the only section I can’t post in and it’s the only health problem of mine remainin ....

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    Can a mod unban me from the AF section? This seems to be the only section I can't post in and it's the only health problem of mine remaining. Thanks.
    
    Now, one thing was can be sure of is that Toxic Hunger does not exist. Adrenal Fatigue does.
    
    

     
    

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  • Respected integrative medical doctor, Dr. Andrew W...   natway   11 y  15,792
    
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    Respected integrative medical doctor, Dr. Andrew Weil, doesn’t buy into AF either: ”Adrenal exhaustion” and ”adrenal fatigue” are popular diagnoses among alternative medicine practitioners but ....

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    Respected integrative medical doctor, Dr. Andrew Weil, doesn't buy into AF either:
    
    "Adrenal exhaustion" and "adrenal fatigue" are popular diagnoses among alternative medicine practitioners but are not recognized in conventional medicine. They are often made by people not qualified by medical training (including nutritionists, chiropractors, massage therapists and health food store clerks) and are unlikely to be valid. Symptoms of adrenal exhaustion are usually vague and non-specific - fatigue, lack of energy, depression, weight problems, and insomnia. It is conceivable that very severe stress (resulting from a prolonged illness, for example) could lead to an adrenal imbalance, but I'm not sure that there is any physiological basis for the notion that everyday stress can ever "exhaust" the adrenals. Some treatments recommended for this questionable condition usually are innocuous - rest, stress reduction, a healthy diet, and vitamin/mineral supplements. Others are not, especially adrenal glandular products. I strongly advise against taking any supplements that contain adrenal glandular tissue. (In fact, never take any over-the-counter glandular supplements.) At best, they are unnecessary; at worst, dangerous. They can disrupt the body's hormonal balance, which is maintained by a delicate and interconnected set of controls.
    http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA354425
    
    
    
    Dr. oz seems open to it, but admits there is no scientific proof it exists. He also mentions women get "AF" symptoms more than men which supports my belief that "AF" symptoms are really just signs of malnutrition/starvation because women have eating disorders more than men do.
    
    Today a growing number of complementary medicine practitioners believe daily stress has thrown our adrenal glands completely out of whack, causing an epidemic of extreme exhaustion known as adrenal fatigue syndrome. Yet the mainstream medical community has not embraced the theory since there is no scientific proof it actually exists.
    
    Many Americans, especially women, suffer symptoms of extreme exhaustion in today’s busy world.
    http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/adrenal-fatigue-syndrome-real-medical-condition
    
    
    Women are more likely than men to have eating disorders.
    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/eatingdisorders.html
    

     
    

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    • Here’s a pro-AF article that even lists malnutriti...   natway   11 y  15,187
      
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      Here’s a pro-AF article that even lists malnutrition as a cause: What are the causes of adrenal fatigue? - Events or situations that place enormous burden on the body, such as major surgery, l ....

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      Here's a pro-AF article that even lists malnutrition as a cause:
      
      What are the causes of adrenal fatigue?
      - Events or situations that place enormous burden on the body, such as major surgery, long-term malnutrition, or being addicted to drugs.
      http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/245810.php
      

       
      

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  • New Fact Sheets Dispel Myths of Adrenal Fatigue an...   natway   11 y  15,534
    
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    New Fact Sheets Dispel Myths of Adrenal Fatigue and Wilson’s Temperature Syndrome The Hormone Foundation, the public education affiliate of The Endocrine Society, has produced two new fact shee ....

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    New Fact Sheets Dispel Myths of Adrenal Fatigue and Wilson’s Temperature Syndrome
    
    The Hormone Foundation, the public education affiliate of The Endocrine Society, has produced two new fact sheets to dispel myths about so-called “diseases” popularized through the Internet: adrenal fatigue and Wilson’s temperature syndrome. The new fact sheets are available online at: http://www.hormone.org/public/myths_facts.cfm.
    
    
    Myth vs. Fact: Adrenal Fatigue describes the theory behind this supposed disorder in which long-term mental, emotional or physical stress outstrips the adrenal glands’ ability to produce enough hormones. The fact sheet refutes this theory and warns against taking potentially harmful supplements designed to “treat” adrenal fatigue. It also differentiates adrenal fatigue from adrenal insufficiency, a real and rare condition in which the adrenal cortex does not produce enough steroid hormones. Adrenal insufficiency is not caused by mental or physical stress.
    
    Myth vs. Fact: Wilson’s Temperature Syndrome outlines a theory by E. Denis Wilson, M.D., that states that stress and illness can lead to low levels of the active thyroid hormone T3, resulting in low body temperature and slow metabolism, along with multiple non-specific symptoms. The fact sheet provides an objective review of Dr. Wilson’s claims, including the fact that blood tests do not detect this supposed hormone deficiency. It also advises against taking Dr. Wilson’s T3 (WT3), a time-release formulation of T3 prepared in compounding pharmacies.
    
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    • Adrenal Fatigue exist dude. I had the ACTH Stimula...   hawskfan9325   11 y  15,577
      
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      Adrenal Fatigue exist dude. I had the ACTH Stimulation Test done at Mayo Clinic, and my adrenals failed to double. That is the gold standard test. Case closed.

      Adrenal Fatigue exist dude. I had the ACTH Stimulation Test done at Mayo Clinic, and my adrenals failed to double. That is the gold standard test. Case closed.

       
      

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      • Guys... Let’s just leave him alone....don’t giv...   #127161   11 y  16,039
        
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        Guys... Let’s just leave him alone....don’t give him any attention. It looks like he may be banned from the support forums....finally. He only seems to be posting in the debate forums, wh ....

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        Guys...
        
        Let's just leave him alone....don't give him any attention.
        
        It looks like he may be banned from the Support Forums ....finally.
        
        He only seems to be posting in the Debate Forums , where he belongs
        
        We can now go back to the supportive group that we used to have. Less arguments...more help and compassion.

         
        

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        • Re: Have Adrenal Fatigue? No You Don't.   healthyartist   11 y  14,742
          
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          Yes!

           
          

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      • What was the Mayo Clinic’s diagnosis of you after ...   natway   11 y  15,131
        
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        What was the Mayo Clinic’s diagnosis of you after that test?

        What was the Mayo Clinic's diagnosis of you after that test?

         
        

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        • Nothing. They sent me home, and that was it. 80% o...   hawskfan9325   11 y  15,005
          
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          Nothing. They sent me home, and that was it. 80% or more of the adrenals have to be damaged for a diagnosis of Adrenal Insufficiency. Mayo would never dare call it Adrenal Fatigue.

          Nothing. They sent me home, and that was it. 80% or more of the adrenals have to be damaged for a diagnosis of Adrenal Insufficiency. Mayo would never dare call it Adrenal Fatigue.

           
          

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          • That’s weird they didn’t tell you anything, not ev...   natway   11 y  15,494
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• How Big Pharma Controls Medical Schools (Video)   Eric B   7 y  1,461  † C †
  
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  Ty Bollinger: First of all you mentioned the fact that we’ve got the pharmaceutical industry. We’ve got kind of an industry driven by money, and we’ve got doctors that are really smart people today, brilliant medical doctors. They’re using treatments that really don’t seem to work as well as some of these natural things. Why is it?
  
  Can you go back into the history of the medical association, The American Medical Association (AMA), and maybe take us back 100 years and stair-step people to current day and explain why that is. Because I’ve heard you talk about this in the past and your explanation is fascinating, and I want the listeners to be able to hear this.
  
  G. Edward Griffin: Well thank you for that. It is a fascinating story. It’s an important story, and I suppose we don’t have time to go into all of it, but maybe the best way here is to kind of back into it to start with where we are and then go back and see how we got there. Where we are today is that, just as you described, these very smart doctors.
  
  Let’s face it, there’s a very selective process there. You just don’t get into med school unless you’ve got a pretty good brain on top of your shoulders, so yeah, it’s the cream of the crop. The best students go into these schools, these medical schools, but they’re not taught anything about natural cures. They’re taught only about drugs, primarily, and drug reactions and the chemistry of this and the chemistry of that. And they have to become really pharmacists in a way; they have to become chemists before they can even make it through pre-med.
  
  So that’s not necessarily bad, but it is a bias. I have come to know a lot of doctors in the last couple of decades since we’ve been working in this field. Many doctors who came from that lair of education and who gradually and sometimes very painfully had to break away from that and go back and re-examine some of these fundamental issues.
  
  Many of them have made the transition and they speak quite openly about it now. For instance, they’ll say, “when I went to medical school we never learned anything about vitamins except we had maybe two hours of instruction on the structures of vitamins and minerals and so forth.” Two hours compared to hundreds and hundreds of hours about pharmacies and chemical reactions and so forth.
  
  I remember there was one doctor, he said, “you know my wife knows more about nutrition than I do when I came out of school.” And that is not surprising when you realize—now we start to go backward in time. How did that happen? The fact that these great medical teaching universities and teaching centers are so great is because they’ve had a lot of money given to them.
  
  Where did the money come from? Now we’re on the trail. You know the old saying “follow the money.” And usually that’ll take you right to it. Well, if you follow the money you’ll find out that most of it came from the pharmaceutical industry.
  
  
  The pharmaceutical industry knows that if they give large grants to these universities they have a double benefit. First of all they have the appearance of being philanthropists. You know they’re doing good things and that’s always—that’s good for public relations. I’m not saying that they’re not doing good things. They probably think they are. But anyway that’s one advantage to giving tax exempt or tax free deductible donations to universities.
  
  The other advantage is far more important, because once you have financed a research project you now have sort of a “first right” to whatever comes out of that research and consequently you can determine in what areas the research will go. I can assure that if I’m a big pharmaceutical company and I give a twenty million dollar grant to a research group I’m not going to be very happy if they start to research whether or not dandelions can be used in the control of cancer.
  
  I want to make sure they’re going to research a drug that I am working on in the laboratories right now. That’s where I want the research to go. So they realize that they can take their own research budget and transfer it to a university or some research laboratory and get a tax deduction for it, knowing full well that if that’s what they’re researching, that’s what the data is going to be.
  
  So I don’t need to go any further. You can understand when the money is coming from a source which has a vested interest in the outcome, what’s going to happen is the outcome is going to be what the donor wants it to be generally.

   
  

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  parasite phobia   EB2340   11 y  8,965  † C †
  
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  I have been attempting to post on this board ddesdpite my posts being censored because some on this board think they own the rights to what is posted her. Those that go about thinking they have parasites and must ride them selves of the vicious beast that are eating them from the inside out are little more than obsessive and go about it in the wrong way be ingesting of all things Wormwood which is far more dangerous than any parasite. The problem is not the parasites the parasites are a symptom of something else not the problem. Parasites exist in all bodies to some degree and is only when the body is out of balance do the parasites get out of balance and many that think they have parasites have been scared by those selling parasite supplements with blown up photos of those parasites making them look like monsters eating you alive from the inside out thereby creating a fear in those with small minds causing them to run out and buy those products at once then having those small minds come here and say things like feeling awful today taking an enema to rid myself of the toxins.It does not have to be this way. Enemas deplete the body of minerals and beneficial bacteria and does nothing to stop parasites if they happen to be there. I have tried to communicate that to this board and for that, the so called board monitors have removed my posts, almost like the monitors themselves were offended that i would even dare to correct those that have decided to monopolize this board with nonsense.

   
  

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  • I’m not a monitor and I say ”Go away!” You add not...   #145133   11 y  7,590
    
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    I’m not a monitor and I say ”Go away!” You add nothing to the discussion.

    I'm not a monitor and I say "Go away!" You add nothing to the discussion.

     
    

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  • There’s big money to be made by alt medicine in ma...   natway   11 y  7,739
    
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    There’s big money to be made by alt medicine in making people feel they’re infected with blood-thirsty, energy-robbing monster parasites, or making people think that ”chronic candida” is causing a ....

    There's big money to be made by alt medicine in making people feel they're infected with blood-thirsty, energy-robbing monster parasites, or making people think that "chronic candida" is causing all their problems.

     
    

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    • What do you suggest then Nat?   playinbout   11 y  7,233
      
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      What do you suggest then Nat?

      What do you suggest then Nat?
      
      

       
      

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    • are most diseases caused by the medical system?   BSA Warning Corey   11 y  78,496
      
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      are most diseases caused by the medical system?

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      The following is a rather long article, but you need to read the first few paragraphs. Concerns candida.
      
      http://www.health-science-spirit.com/medicaldisease.html
      
      
      (Lots more in the article than what I copy/pasted below. If you truly interested in cures it would behoove you to read the entire article.)
      
      ARE MOST DISEASES CAUSED BY THE MEDICAL SYSTEM?
      
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      I do not want to pretend that this is an impartial investigation. Instead I am now fully convinced that most diseases are indeed caused by the medical system, and in the following I want to state my reasons for ...
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      • Re: parasite phobia   #145133   11 y  7,263
        
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        Great article. Antibiotics caused my candidiasis and got the ball rolling on my dysbiosis and everything that follows...Never again.

         
        

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      • Re: are most diseases caused by the medical system...   kerminator   10 y  7,151
        
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        Excellent article!
        
        Thanks for the post...

         
        

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      • This is a terrific article - a good rundown of the...   GlacialHealth   10 y  5,534
        
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        This is a terrific article - a good rundown of the problems with medicine. Funny, I just came across another doctor outlining how toxins are truly one of the root causes of the diseases we face ....

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        This is a terrific article - a good rundown of the problems with medicine.
        
        Funny, I just came across another doctor outlining how toxins are truly one of the root causes of the diseases we face - Of course, something never talked about in med school.
        
        And he lists medicines as one of the 10 toxins he warns about.
        
        Go read it here:
        
        https://www.sunchlorellausa.com/blog/toxins-part-2-%E2%80%9Creal%E2%80%9D-rea...
        
        A very good article for understanding how toxins can wreak so much damage!

         
        

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      • I think the article is right about cancer really b...   #461   10 y  5,050
        
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        I think the article is right about cancer really being more of a fungal infection than something mysterious and unknowable like religion (and probably created and spread by the same bunch of con a ....

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        I think the article is right about cancer really being more of a fungal infection than something mysterious and unknowable like religion (and probably created and spread by the same bunch of con artists) because I think I just beat 'cancer', no problem, treating it like a parasite/fungal infection that the PTB, or as I like to call 'em, the greedy 1% Zionists aka the jewish leadership or what used to be the high priests of Israel are not only killing a LOT of us with, they are also impoverishing the middle class--which they want to break, just kings and paupers with this evil bunch. I don't doubt they are developing as many fatal diseases as they can--where do you think AIDS and ebola came from?? They for sure don't want people to know about or be able to treat their diseases without using their expensive drugs. I think parasites and fungus are their 'secret' weapon in all of this health destroying stuff, and if you figure it out on your own, they'll be sure to have plenty of trolls on hand (to try debunking any info that their zionist masters want to keep secret and if that doesn't work they'll attack the person next, and try to convince everyone else that person must be crazier than a bed bug and should be locked up so don't listen to that crazy person even if what they are saying makes sense) on hand in case you want to share what you've learned online, a place they haven't been able to get control of not for lack of trying though--what do you think all the fuss is really about? Not the pedophiles (which many of that corrupt group are), no, it's always about getting control of what information we have access to---thank you p 0 r n watchers everywhere who will fight tooth and nail for keeping the 'net unregulated.
        But I say a big 'yes' to the medical industry being behind nearly all of the wasting debilitating diseases---very much on purpose, so they can get rid of as many of us as possible (that many fewer to round up for the FEMA camps, eh?), steal every last penny we have with NO guarantee of success (even better than religion because people will pay anything for good health), and make the peons more biddable cuz sick people are MUCH easier to control.

         
        

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        i would like to tell you the solution to all these problems as revealed to me by heavenly sources. the #1 killer of mankind which causes cancer leukemia alzheimer and all the rest of every disea ....

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        i would like to tell you the solution to all these problems as revealed to me by heavenly sources. the #1 killer of mankind which causes cancer leukemia alzheimer and all the rest of every disease is yeast which if a fungus mold and is what spreads to every part of the body . yeast is a infection and infection is what kills people. bread with yeast is put into the stomach and it starts spreading from there. when it becomes a chronic yeast infection it attacks the weakest part of the body so one will die from liver heart kidney brain or whatever part is the weakest. that's. how it works yeast is death or infection . vaginal yeast infection is the yeast coming out or it comes out your tongue or nose also called a cold or flu. the body needs to get rid of the yeast and it comes out our body openings. when someone drinks too much beer and he vomits its the body trying to get rid of all that brewers yeast in the stomach. everybody eats yeast bread every day except in places like mexico -tortillas and tacos--india chapatti flat bread no yeast. god said do no eat leavened bread-why--he made bread for us to love and enjoy. do not put yeast in bread-why-cancer leukemia alzheimer and every sickness on earth. stop yeast-equals stop sickness and fungal spread. that simple that complicated. make your own bread for your family -a lot of non yeast recipes on the internet for bread-pizza and you will love it. experiment till you get it just right. might take you 6 months to perfect it but all that you make will be good. a little warm water-a little flour with some olive oil or and butter-can throw some cheese in there. beautiful food.

         
        

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      • i want to add that the reason they can’t. find cu...   lorry lazzaro   8 y  3,313
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  Beware of doctors & medicines.   RN Warning Questlf   8 y  3,405  † C †
  
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  Read this man story and what happened to his life
  this guy has peeling skin too.
  
  May be my doctor had given this cipro when i had fever.
  
  
  
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  Let me back up a bit. I ended up taking Cipro for just six days (2 x 500mg pills a day) for a grand total of 12 pills. Other than the fact that it wasn't helping my bladder pain, everything seemed fine while actually on the drug--I had no immediately apparent adverse reaction to the drug whatsoever, no foreshadowing of the horror that was about to become of my life. I was still going for nightly walks around my neighborhood, working out, etc. It wasn't until ten days AFTER I'd taken my last pill that the bomb went off and my body began to fall apart. On the night of October 25th, 2009 I was lying in bed watching TV when I started to notice a slight pain in my left achilles tendon. My mind immediately went to the Cipro, as I'd read in the drug insert that Cipro can cause tendonitis and (according to Bayer, anyway) most commonly affects the achilles tendons. Let me expand upon Cipro's warning label for a moment here. I'm not one of those people who didn't bother to read the drug insert that came with the medication--I most certainly did. I stood right in Walmart's pharmacy and read it before I even left. It warned of what's described as possible tendon "problems" (ha!) that are most likely to occur in people over 65, people who've had liver, kidney or heart transplants, or those who take it along with steroids. None of those things even remotely describe me. And again I had in my head that I'd taken this medication once before and was fine, so surely I'd be fine taking it again. NOWHERE ON THAT WARNING LABEL DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE TENDON "PROBLEMS" BEING POTENTIALLY PERMANENT!!! Nowhere! Nor does it say ANYTHING about Cipro's documented ability to melt the CARTILAGE out of your joints (did you know it could do that!?!? Me neither--until it was too late!). Had I been warned of even the smallest risk of either of those things I would have returned those pills on the spot and demanded another, safer medication from my doctor. There is no WAY I would ever risk being permanently disabled or having the cartilage eaten out of my joints in order to treat some bladder/prostate/kidney pain!!! I'll come back to this topic a little later, let me get back to my story before I get myself carried away!
  
  
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  • don't ignore the above post " beware of Doctors an...   Questlf   8 y  2,840
    
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    don't ignore the above post " beware of Doctors and Medicines "

    i see that not more people are not seeing this cipro post.
    
    but this small info lacking has made large number of healthy people life into hell life permanently.
    
    there are other drugs too having fatal side effects.

     
    

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  • Re: Beware of doctors & medicines.   Questlf   8 y  2,480
    
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    Re: Beware of doctors & medicines.

    link to people expressed side effects
    
    http://www.askapatient.com/viewrating.asp?drug=19537&name=CIPRO
    
    
    

     
    

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    • What’s the alternative to cipro? One time I had a ...   longterm   8 y  2,571
      
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      What’s the alternative to cipro? One time I had a deadly bacteria infection that was most sensitive to cipro. I wasted my time and put my intestines through hell taking all these other antibiotics ....

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      What's the alternative to cipro? One time I had a deadly bacteria infection that was most sensitive to cipro. I wasted my time and put my intestines through hell taking all these other Antibiotics that weren't strong enough to kill it.

       
      

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      • if i will ever get high fever or serious infectio...   Questlf   8 y  2,447
        
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        if i will ever get high fever or serious infection , i will try colloidal silver. trying to buy silver rods , here in india govt. has introduced new currency, so getting delay for silver rods...

        if i will ever get high fever or serious infection , i will try Colloidal Silver .
        
        
        trying to buy silver rods , here in india govt. has introduced new currency, so getting delay for silver rods.

         
        

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  Success brings out the trolls   parazapper   9 y  4,656  † C †
  
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  Big Pharma definitely keeps an eye out for its interests and when alternatives get successful, they bring the trolls out in force. The curezone has been swamped with them lately. They attack Colloidal Silver which is well known for its successes.
  
  A lot of them are trying very hard to defame zappers and convince people not to try them.
  
  :^) OK folks, let them keep trying. every few months I get to see one or two new studies to the page at http://hulda-clark-quack.com/huldaclarkzapperworks.html
  
  As a note: the very first and only real study done with zappers showed the following:
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  Following is a breakdown of various conditions and the result obtained using the old 30 kHz zappers:
  
  Condition Afflicted % Sub-Improve % Min-Improve %
  
  Strep 2.8% 75.0% 25.0%
  Staph 10.5% 60.0% 33.3%
  Viral 21.7% 35.5% 61.3%
  Fungal 33.6% 39.6% 60.4%
  Parasitic 42.7% 59.0% 37.7%
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  So of those in the study who had parasites, 59 percent reported substantial improvement.
  
  This study, however was using the old 30 kHz zapper. Newer microprocessor based models are significantly better and the Pharma companies absolutely do not want you to even consider trying them. That is why they are attacking so hard.
  
  

   
  

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  • The conclusion by Thiel was not that Clark Zappers...   jaguar57   9 y  3,679
    
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    The conclusion by Thiel was not that Clark Zappers kill pathogens but that either the electrical stimulation improves immune responses or aids absorption of the anti microbe supplements the patien ....

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    The conclusion by Thiel was not that Clark Zappers kill pathogens but that either the electrical stimulation improves immune responses or aids absorption of the anti microbe supplements the patients were taking.
    
    quotes from the study by Robert Thiel:
    
    The purpose of this pilot trial was to determine whether there may be any efficacy to combining the use of bioelectrical stimulating units with nutritional interventions [vitamin, herbal, and glandular combinations] for people with patterns consistent with chronic fungal, bacterial, viral, or parasitic infections.
    My previous research has clearly shown that nutritional interventions can, on their own, result in symptomatic improvement when chronic infections are present [14,15]. This trial attempted to see if adding the intervention of bioelectrical stimulation could result in symptomatic improvement to greater degrees for people with chronic infections. Many of the participants were greatly impressed by the effectiveness of the zapper; some who improved, however, felt the zapper had no effect and improvement was entirely due to the continued use of supplementation.
    The results of this study suggest that zapping combined with nutritional interventions may have helped most of the participants improve. Nutritional interventions give the body substances which it can use to improve immune responses [18]. Although this is not certain, it appears that either nutrient absorption is somehow improved [28,29] or IgG (immunoglobin G) [1,19], some T cell (T-lymphocyte), biochemical acid, or some other defense mechanism is somehow stimulated through zapping and thus some segment of the immune system, but not the zapper, destroys the invader.
    
    [14] Thiel RJ. Nutrition to improve the CD4 count of persons with AIDS. National Institutes of Health, Bethesda. April 1997: Submittal NTN B1.
    [15] Thiel RJ. Chronic fatigue assessment and intervention. ANMA & AANC J 1996: 1 (3): 17-19.

     
    

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    • Thiel’s study basically disproves Clark Zappers as...   jaguar57   9 y  3,640
      
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      Thiel’s study basically disproves Clark Zappers as being able to kill microbes and parasites because if they did then there would of been 100% remission of all infections in the patients. But inst ....

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      Thiel's study basically disproves Clark Zappers as being able to kill microbes and parasites because if they did then there would of been 100% remission of all infections in the patients. But instead only 50% of them had relief of symptoms, and that was mostly because of the natural remedies they were taking.

       
      

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      • Actually, Dr. Thiel’s study leaves open the questi...   parazapper   9 y  3,701
        
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        Actually, Dr. Thiel’s study leaves open the question of whether or not the original Clark zapper could kill microbes. Your claim has been refuted by several videos on youtube and other places that ....

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        Actually, Dr. Thiel's study leaves open the question of whether or not the original Clark zapper could kill microbes. Your claim has been refuted by several videos on youtube and other places that shows the original Hulda Clark zapper actually does kill some microbes under microscopic observation.
        
        Also, these was a member of the Zapper Support Forum many years back that posted photos of zapped microbes in petri dishes that clearly showed that microbes were killed by zapping. Sadly, I believe that those photos were lost in a hard drive crash.
        
        Regardless of any of that, the fact that multi-frequency ParaZapper can and does directly kill a wide range of microbes is definitely provable.
        
        

         
        

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        • No it does not. Killing microbes in a petri dish i...   jaguar57   9 y  3,608
          
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          No it does not. Killing microbes in a petri dish is easy because its easy to have high concentrations of electrical power per square centimeter. When you treat the human body there are two limitin ....

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          No it does not. Killing microbes in a petri dish is easy because its easy to have high concentrations of electrical power per square centimeter. When you treat the human body there are two limiting factors; 1) skin limits the amount of applied power because it burns easily. 2) the electricity spreads out on its path to reach the other electrode so that the concentration of electrical power per square centimeter is dilute.
          There are four important factors when it comes to electromedicine:
          1) electrical power (voltage and current)
          2) total time of treatment
          3) frequency
          4) waveshape
          Concerning electrical power, it is much easier to kill a skin infection than one deep in the body because the electricity near the electrode is still concentrated before it spreads out. The farther away from the electrode, the more spread out the electrical energy becomes.

           
          

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          • it is important to note that some zappers can and ...   parazapper   9 y  3,547
            
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            it is important to note that some zappers can and do reach and kill microbes inside of the intestines

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            >- Killing microbes in a petri dish is easy
            
            Yes, but you fail to realize that the media may also have a very high resistance which limits the current.
            
            Additionally, when doing this type of work it is typical to report the conditions, including measured current, current density, etc. so that proper comparisons can be made.
            
            Regardless, it is still proof that, at least ParaZapper as well as some other zappers, can and do kill microbes.
            
            >- it is much easier to kill a skin infection than one deep in the body because the electricity near the electrode is still concentrated before it spreads out.
            
            You are correct on that point and it is important to note that some zappers can and do reach and kill microbes inside of the intestines. This is why many ParaZapper users regularly feel a need to replenish their intestinal flora after zapping, when they use it for that purpose.
            
            

             
            

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        • Re: Success brings out the trolls   #69242   9 y  3,529
          
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          Re: Success brings out the trolls

          What if a real researcher cited the phrase 'many videos on youtube'?
          
          Especially if all of the videos were made by Biff from back to the future.
          
          

           
          

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          • It sure appears that Biff has had outstanding resu...   parazapper   9 y  3,473
            
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            It sure appears that Biff has had outstanding results in fighting whatever he has issues with. That person that you are referring to Certainly appears to have a much broader range of experience ....

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            It sure appears that Biff has had outstanding results in fighting whatever he has issues with.
            
            That person that you are referring to Certainly appears to have a much broader range of experience and understanding that what you have shown.
            
            

             
            

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          • Good try--this isn’t my adorable Iodine, who fills...   #461   9 y  3,520
            
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            Good try--this isn’t my adorable Iodine, who fills the very air with rants of love and acceptace.

            Good try--this isn't my adorable Iodine, who fills the very air with rants of love and acceptace.

             
            

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    • due to the limited scope of his investigation... d...   parazapper   9 y  3,663
      
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      due to the limited scope of his investigation... did not include any in-vitro tests

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      >- defense mechanism is somehow stimulated through zapping and thus some segment of the immune system, but not the zapper, destroys the invader.
      
      While Dr. Thiel did suggest that, it was due to the limited scope of his investigation. He did not include any in-vitro tests which actually do show that zapping can and does kill many microbes. While a lot depends on the zapper used, the best zappers, like ParaZapper actually do very efficiently kill a wide range of microbes.
      
      Also, you left out one of his very important statements:
      
      "zapping probably did not kill "all bacteria, viruses and parasites"
      
      Again, this is probably because her used the original 30 kHz zappers which have been found to be among the weakest zappers when it comes to killing microbes, as is true for every single frequency zapper that I have tested.
      
      Regardless of what any other zapper may do, it is indisputable that the multi-frequency ParaZapper models can and do kill a wide range of microbes.
      
      

       
      

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      • Killing them ”in vitro” (in test tube or petri dis...   jaguar57   9 y  3,622
        • Dr. Thiel did his study back in the 1990's...used ...   parazapper   9 y  3,542
          • so now that we’ve thrown that study aside as nothi...   jaguar57   9 y  3,568
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              • Re: Dr. Thiel did his study in 1996-1997...used we...   parazapper   9 y  3,635
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  A coroner is to ask for a review of guidance on possible side effects associated with a drug used to treat Acne to be following the death of a man in Suffolk.
  
  David Chow, an internationally acclaimed photographer, blamed the drug for years of ill health before he took his own life.
  
  Yesterday, an inquest at Bury St Edmunds heard how after suffering Depression and anxiety after treatment failed to improve a condition which made it painful to eat or talk, Mr Chow had killed himself.
  
  Mr Chow, 38, of Cottenham, had in 1994 been prescribed the drug Roaccutane, also known as isotretinoin for mild Acne after being impressed with the results it had for a friend, the inquest heard.
  
  Suffolk Coroner Dr Peter Dean said that within days of starting the treatment Mr Chow had began suffering from dry lips and minor nose bleeds but was told they were possible side effects and would clear.
  
  However, the condition progressed to swollen lips and infections which, at times, left Mr Chow unable to speak for long and made eating difficult.
  
  Consultations with a number of specialists failed to resolve the situation and Mr Chow was diagnosed as suffering from exfoliative cheilitis which led to severe crusting of his lips and in time began to cause “agonising pain” in his jaw because he was not able to move in a normal way.
  
  Two operations and more treatment did not solve the issue, said Dr Dean, and for four years Mr Chow chaired the UK branch of an action group set up by people who believed they had been adversely affected by the Acne drug.
  
  In a statement, Mr Chow’s parents Dr Arthur and Mrs Joy Chow, said their son had become anxious and depressed but was able to complete courses leading to business studies and accountancy qualifications at university.
  
  Mr Chow’s most recent training had been in photography and he had worked successfully, despite being socially affected by his condition, specialising in restoring historic glass negatives and producing prints for organisations including the National Portrait Gallery, gaining international acclaim for his work.
  
  Last year, Mr Chow had been staying with his parents at their home in Bury St Edmunds when on December 30, after complaining of agonising neck and face pain, he locked himself in the bathroom.
  
  His father broke open the door using a hammer and found his son on the floor after trying to kill himself. Attempts to revive him were unsuccessful and he was declared dead at the scene.
  
  A post mortem examination conducted by consultant pathologist Dr Carl Love confirmed that death had been due to wounds with contributory factors of anxiety and depression.
  
  In a statement, consultant Professor Steven Challacombe who had seen Mr Chow at Guy’s Hospital, London said he had no doubt that the acne treatment had been the major cause of the exfoliative cheilitis.
  
  Professor Challabombe said he believed that the medication had also increased Mr Chow’s depression, despite it having been used by Mr Chow 21 years earlier.
  
  Recording a conclusion that Mr Chow’s death had been suicide, Dr Dean said: “He was someone who was clearly a highly gifted and highly talented young man who despite his difficulties achieved a great deal both academically and artistically in his life.
  
  “It is also clear that he had a variety of difficult medical issues and concerns about the effects of medication that had been prescribed for him.”
  
  Dr Dean added: “In view of concerns about the possible side effects of this medication I will write to the Chief Medical Officer and the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency to ask them to look at possible problems with the drug and possible further complications.”
  
  The Coroner said that throughout his problems, Mr Chow had been greatly supported by his family and he valued them greatly.
  
  

   
  

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  • just if you were wondering, I also used Accutane f...   carokann   8 y  3,928
    
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    just if you were wondering, I also used Accutane for a few months when I was 17 for acne. I know there is a lot of people on here who used Accutane

    just if you were wondering, I also used Accutane for a few months when I was 17 for acne. I know there is a lot of people on here who used Accutane

     
    

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    • This is so sad! did this guy post on the forum? th...   jsl123   8 y  4,045
      
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      This is so sad! did this guy post on the forum? this condition is very difficult to live with and i feel so sad that he has had to deal with it since 1994. He battled the condition for so long i h ....

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      This is so sad! did this guy post on the forum? this condition is very difficult to live with and i feel so sad that he has had to deal with it since 1994. He battled the condition for so long i hope he is in a better place.
      
      There are lots of people who got ec from taking accutane which is well known to cause eczema as a side effect. As it dries out the skin so much. Its strange because a lot of people got it from taking accutane but also theres a lot of people who have ec who didn't take the drug so its very confusing.
      
      I hope everyone is doing ok! Please stay strong guys!

       
      

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      • I was also wondering if he posted on this forum.   longterm   8 y  3,800
        
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        I was also wondering if he posted on this forum.

        I was also wondering if he posted on this forum.

         
        

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  • This is very sad - people don’t understand how muc...   Ecparent2   8 y  3,944
    
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    This is very sad - people don’t understand how much this affects people. I would have thought my son was overreacting if I didnt come to this site and hear about what other people are going throu ....

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    This is very sad - people don't understand how much this affects people. I would have thought my son was overreacting if I didnt come to this site and hear about what other people are going through.
    
    Interestingly enough, I think my son got this from Minocycline - he is not convinced. He recently went to another derm who recommended Minoocycline!
    For inflammation - Minocycline is actually an antibiotic! I was really concerned - Minocycline also has been known to cause lupus, blindness, etc. I didnt want him to take it, but he is going to because he said if his lips get worse at least he knows what causes it - and then maybe can figure out how to cure it.
    
    I am very concerned but he is 21 and and has had this for 5 years - at this point he doesnt know if he can continue with his Engineering program because he has to take classes together. As worried as I am, maybe it will help him figure out the cause.

     
    

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      I know that this condition can be very tough but your life is worth more than this. We think that we are the only one with problems but everyone has their own problems . I am not saying that EC is ....

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      I know that this condition can be very tough but your life is worth more than this. We think that we are the only one with problems but everyone has their own problems . I am not saying that EC is a small thing . I have been suffering from the past 2 and a half years and it didn't bother me much when I was just managing it . Only when I started looking for cure is when I became depressed since i have been leaving it alone .
      Problem with ec is that no one can empathise with us as it is a very rare condition.
      Try to find something that can help in making your lips look normal if not perfect until we have the answers. I am now regretting taking accutane but I am still hopeful that one day ec will just be a bad memory from the past .
      "This too shall pass"

       
      

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  • That’s really sad to read as I can totally relate....   Cottonmouth   8 y  3,804
    
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    That’s really sad to read as I can totally relate. In these past 5 years of ec I’ve experienced major depression & had many times thought about committing suicide because it seemed like ”the only ....

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    That's really sad to read as I can totally relate. In these past 5 years of ec I've experienced major Depression & had many times thought about committing suicide because it seemed like "the only way out" of this horrible nightmare. There were nights I've literally cried myself to sleep because of Depression wishing I'd never wake up again and as a man in my 20's I'm not ashamed to admit it. Not only does this affect you physically but mentally too in every way that you neglect everything else in your life like you just don't care about anything anymore. "What's the point of being alive?" I ask myself constantly.
    
    I'm sorry for this guys but after reading that post, I felt like I needed to get that off my chest.

     
    

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      I feel the same way Cotton, and I turned 30 this year. My achievements in life are those I feel I’ve managed to string together whilst spending most of my time restricted in body and mind.. as tho ....

      I feel the same way Cotton, and I turned 30 this year. My achievements in life are those I feel I've managed to string together whilst spending most of my time restricted in body and mind.. as though I am living in an open prison.
      

       
      

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      • This is exactly what it feels like, a prison. Ther...   Cottonmouth   8 y  3,845
        
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        This is exactly what it feels like, a prison. There’s so many things I wanna do in life (travel the world, live in a different city, have a beautiful girlfriend, just to name a few) but I feel lik ....

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        This is exactly what it feels like, a prison. There's so many things I wanna do in life (travel the world, live in a different city, have a beautiful girlfriend, just to name a few) but I feel like I can't reach my full potential when my lips aren't 100%. I'm gonna use those goals as motivation to get better and I think everyone here should have some goals or dreams they wanna achieve just to give them that extra motivation needed to try & cure this condition.

         
        

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        • just lick your lips and be happy in life, there is...   carokann   8 y  3,748
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  (NaturalNews) Patrick Swayze, the star of movies such as "Dirty Dancing" and "Ghost", died Monday at age 57 after a 20 month battle with pancreatic cancer. Although Mr. Swayze outlasted his original prognosis of only having a few months left to live, he refused to seek any natural or alternative treatments to help boost his immune system and nourish his body in addition to fighting his cancer - instead following the advice of his doctors to "starve out" the cancer.
  
  During a one-hour "Barbara Walters Special" interview this past January, he told Ms. Walters that he "kept his mind open to miracles", but unfortunately he closed his mind to any hope of such a miracle coming from outside mainstream medicine, whose track record against pancreatic and other difficult cancers is far from miraculous.
  
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  • I have been working as an oncologist/pathologist f...   rmvandevijver   15 y  10,488
    
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    I have been working as an oncologist/pathologist for over 20 years now and I am deeply shocked at the amount of misinformation that is spread on this website. I have been reading this site for qui ....

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    I have been working as an oncologist/pathologist for over 20 years now and I am deeply shocked at the amount of misinformation that is spread on this website. I have been reading this site for quite some time now and have not been able to find any reliable information on cancer anywhere here, either on the nature of cancer or on the best way to treat it.
    
    The way you abuse Patrick Swayze's death to rant against standard medicine and the implication that he would have been far better off if not cured with alternative medicine beggars any description.

     
    

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    • You are shocked? I am appalled, sir!   RRR Tony Isaacs   15 y  18,174
      
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      You are shocked? I am appalled, sir!

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      And I sir am deeply shocked at the misinformation that is constantly spread by mainstream medicine and the world pharma industries. Are you proud of being in a profession that has failed so miserably against cancer since "The War on Cancer" was declared almost forty years ago and we were promised a cure within just a few years?  What we have now, after all these many years and after all the billions that have been spent, is no mainstream cure in sight and a bloated $300-$400 Billion a year industry whose continued existence and profit depends on NOT finding a cure fo ... [Image Embedded Here]   [This message is long. Retrieve the whole message]

       
      

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      • WOW -awsome post!   HeWhoKnows   15 y  10,205
        
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        WOW -awsome post!

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        I was the Farah special about her fight with cancer. Is was sad as well as she sought help from the "experts"

        and in doing do so was her trust betrayed and thus she died a painful and early death.

        Same for Patrick. Remember him in the movie - Ghost. Wow does not seem very long ago.

        Anyway good job Tony!

        We thank you for your work!!

         
        

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      • let's face it - medicine is not a cure, it's busin...   zyzik   15 y  10,260
        
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        let's face it - medicine is not a cure, it's business n/m

         
        

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      • Re: You are shocked? I am appalled, sir!   rmvandevijver   15 y  10,559
        
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        Well, at the end of the day it's the numbers that count.
        Here are mine: http://www.eurocare.it/Home/tabid/36/Default.aspx
        
        And where are yours?

         
        

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        • rmvandevijver..Re: You are shocked? I am appalled,...   R chrisb1   15 y  10,587
          
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          rmvandevijver,
          Numbers that count indeed but who exactly is adding them up?
          
          Eurocare sites "cures".
          
          How is this known for certain unless you are referring to remission.
          
          The National Cancer Institute defines "remission" as:
          
          "A decrease in or disappearance of signs and symptoms of cancer. In partial remission, some, but not all, signs and symptoms of cancer have disappeared. In complete remission, all signs and symptoms of cancer have disappeared, although cancer still may be in the body."
          http://www.nci.nih.gov/dictionary/db_alpha.aspx?expand=R
          
          
          
          However, if we had the "length of life since diagnosis" for patients who took orthodox treatments, and compared this number to a similar group of patients who had refused treatments, we could quickly tell whether orthodox treatments were any good. But none of this data is kept, it must be dug out.
          
          "My studies have proved conclusively that untreated cancer victims live up to four times longer than treated individuals. If one has cancer and opts to do nothing at all, he will live longer and feel better than if he undergoes radiation, chemotherapy or surgery, other than when used in immediate life-threatening situations."
          Prof Jones. (1956 Transactions of the N.Y. Academy of Medical Sciences, vol 6. There is a fifty page article by Hardin Jones of National Cancer Institute of Bethesda, Maryland. He surveyed global cancer of all types and compared the untreated and the treated, to conclude that the untreated outlives the treated, both in terms of quality and in terms of quantity.")
          http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com/article/medicalignorance.htm
          
          
          If the real data would lead to the conclusion that people who go on orthodox treatments live significantly longer than people who refuse treatments, or refuse treatments and take an alternative treatment, you can rest assured the orthodox medical community would keep these statistics. But they don't keep those statistics, which leads a logical person to conclude they have something to hide.
          
          "A German epidemiologist from the Heidelberg/Mannheim Tumor Clinic, Dr Ulrich Abel, has done a comprehensive review and analysis of every major study and clinical trial of chemotherapy ever done. His conclusions should be read by anyone who is about to embark on the Chemo Express. To make sure he had reviewed everything ever published on chemotherapy, Abel sent letters to over 350 medical centers around the world, asking them to send him anything they had published on the subject. Abel researched thousands of articles: it is unlikely that anyone in the world knows more about chemotherapy than he.
          
          "The analysis took him several years, but the results are astounding: Abel found that the overall worldwide success rate of chemotherapy was 'appalling' because there was simply no scientific evidence available anywhere that chemotherapy can 'extend in any appreciable way the lives of patients suffering from the most common organic cancers'. Abel emphasizes that chemotherapy rarely can improve the quality of life. He describes chemotherapy as 'a scientific wasteland' and states that at least 80 per cent of chemotherapy administered throughout the world is worthless and is akin to the 'emperor's new clothes'--neither doctor nor patient is willing to give up on chemotherapy, even though there is no scientific evidence that it works! (Lancet, 10 August 1991) No mainstream media even mentioned this comprehensive study: it was totally buried. "
          Tim O'Shea, The Doctor Within
          
          Chrisb1.

           
          

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          • Here’s some more information on what Hardin Jones ...   rmvandevijver   15 y  10,769
            
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            This is a reply to # 1,492,070

            Here’s some more information on what Hardin Jones said in 1956: http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/Hardin_Jones.html You also say: ”However, if we had the ”length of life since diagnosis” for ....

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            Here's some more information on what Hardin Jones said in 1956: http://www.geocities.com/healthbase/Hardin_Jones.html
            
            
            You also say:
            "However, if we had the "length of life since diagnosis" for patients who took orthodox treatments, and compared this number to a similar group of patients who had refused treatments, we could quickly tell whether orthodox treatments were any good. But none of this data is kept, it must be dug out."
            
            I have never seen any statistics on the effects of alternative treatments for cancer, either length of life, 1-year, 5-year or 10-year survival. You say yourself that no data are kept. On what basis then can you make claims like the ones in your comment just now?
            
            You can hardly blame conventional medicine for not keeping data on alternative treatments. That should be done by the altmeds themselves. Apparently they just can't be bothered. Very disappointing.
            
            
            

             
            

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            • One or 2 things 1) You are honest and just prog...   HeWhoKnows   15 y  10,182
              
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              One or 2 things 1) You are honest and just programmed by the system or 2) You are dishonest trying to make a buck If number 1 - then you came to the right place to LEARN what they fail ....

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              One or 2 things

              1) You are honest and just programmed by the system

              or

              2) You are dishonest trying to make a buck

              If number 1 - then you came to the right place to LEARN what they failed to teach you

              If number 2 - most come here for they have no other choice. They are sick and dieing and with out the funds for mainstream so you waste your time...

              There are many testimonies of those who mainstream medicine said we cant help - you already had 3 rounds of chemo and one more will kill you - go home and get your affairs in order. Some how they recover and keep on living.... If you are sincere you should look into this and the popular "quacks" who claimed to cure cancer -

              the labeling of quack is similar to label of conspiracy

              Create a knee jerk reaction - to think only fools will read such info...

              Then there is the fabrication of information to confuse and discredit.... anything for money right?

               
              

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            • universities being funded by big pharmedico wouldn...   trapper/kcmo   15 y  10,011
              
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              universities being funded by big pharmedico wouldnt have anything to do with what gets researched, would it?

              universities being funded by big pharmedico wouldnt have anything to do with what gets researched, would it?

               
              

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            • rmvandevijver, as a mainstream oncologist, your p...   chrisb1   15 y  9,939
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                • ”How can you be so sure they work then”? Testim...   chrisb1   15 y  9,910
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                  • very good article Tony you did on the history of t...   knowledge seeker   15 y  9,629
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                • no you wouldnt. youd be dead or moving your famil...   trapper/kcmo   15 y  9,444
                • My Story: My Mother died of breast cancer at ag...   R spudlydoo   15 y  10,404
            • HeHe n/m   HeWhoKnows   15 y  9,661
      • Re: You are shocked? I am appalled, sir!   #88964   15 y  10,172
      • Tony I think you pretty much nailed it.  S...   RN Labrat The Tenacious   15 y  10,725
        • the shadow knows!   trapper/kcmo   15 y  9,758
          • Love that laugh n/m   HeWhoKnows   15 y  9,739
      • Edited   #107138   15 y  10,229
        • What is preventing you from posting your informati...   Dquixote1217   15 y  11,867
        • Re:Formula to help cough up lungs tumors.   Sonya Paterson   8 y  3,565
          • Sonya - Matthew appears to have done a runner, whi...   loquat1   8 y  3,622
      • Re: You are shocked? I am appalled, sir!   knowledge seeker   15 y  9,570
    • Re: Patrick Swayze Dead at Fifty-Seven after Placi...   Johny Apple Bomb   15 y  9,857
      • See blog at: http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?...   ccrgdotcom   15 y  9,886
    • sorry but i would take my chances with a witch doc...   RONBN49   15 y  9,984
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      modern medicine is clueless and has turned cancer ...   RONBN49   15 y  9,719
    • many are rushed into chemo where they die quickly ...   RONBN49   15 y  9,750
      • Sigh... First, you know the corruption of mode...   quincyjonesfan1   15 y  9,518
    • my mom was killed, murdered in cold blood by anoth...   katmanwon   9 y  4,601
      • I say kat, steady on mate. I can understand your a...   loquat1   8 y  3,657
    • I would not trust a med school oncologist any fath...   beatty57   9 y  5,729
      • Without compelling evidence to the contrary, I pre...   loquat1   8 y  3,812
    • dig deeper and research what they intentionally le...   parazapper   8 y  4,082
      • You make a lot of unfounded and erroneous assump...   loquat1   8 y  3,696
      • PS @ parazapper - Apologies. I just realized you a...   loquat1   8 y  3,699
        • Sadly, there are many people dying every day   parazapper   8 y  3,633
          • He seems to have deserted this thread quite some t...   loquat1   8 y  3,932
            • Yep, I had noticed that they had not posted in a l...   parazapper   8 y  3,639
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