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Why you shouldn't go to Victoria Bidwell's Best Natural Hygiene health retreat to fast
Why you shouldn't go to Victoria Bidwell's Best Natural Hygiene health retreat, also called Hygiene homestead in the woods, Nature cure raw food health retreat, or Get Well Stay Well America.
First of all, and far from the worst transgression, it is not a picturesque homestead deep in the woods. It's a fenced in acre property, you can see the neighbors next door, and Victoria lives 5 miles away.
Yes, that's right, Victoria lives 5 miles away, she usually (but not always) visits once a day, usually in the evening, sometimes at midnight, sometimes at 3 in the morning. Her reputation for loudly speaking her mind never fails her even then. She is also not above doing housework at odd hours and on one occasion using a hammer outside my room at 2am. It is not an uncommon experience to get woken up at odd hours there.
When Victoria had a knee surgery months back, she left at least one faster completely unmonitored for weeks at a time.
One man who fasted at her retreat, found himself crippled due to severe inflammation. Unable to move his hands or drive (or stand, or walk) after he finished the fast, Victoria made him live in his truck for $175 a week, even when beds became available. On his third day breaking his 30 day fast she gave him nut butter and crackers. At times she would give him things like beans and hummus, or anything that was left over in her fridge. She frequently complained to other retreaters about the burden of having him there. At one point she calls him a "dog" to another retreater. Finally she got him prednisone so he could drive out of there, but would only take him to a clinic to get the prednisone if he signed a statement releasing her of any wrong doing and praising her care.
Gossips with retreaters about other retreaters. Sometimes passive aggressively so the retreater will hear. She has a tendency to take her personal problems out on retreaters.
One retreater 35 days into a fast (I will call the retreater Mary for convenience), couldn't hold down water. Victoria told Mary, that she needed to be strong and stick it out, because that's what another retreater did. Then, 5 days later, Victoria wanted Mary to stop. Mary wanted to keep going at that point, so Victoria took screaming at her and calling her passive aggressive.
Mary spent most of her retreat in a barn, that reached sauna temperatures in the afternoons. Victoria thought this was perfectly acceptable accommodation. Despite the obvious enervating quality (not very hygienic). The cleaning lady did not even feel like she could stay in the barn long enough to clean it, let alone figure out how someone could live in there.
Mary was moved out of the barn into a couch in the library on day 33 of her fast, then moved back into the barn on day 42. As in, had to pack up all her own things and move.
Two brothers had a complete mental breakdown after their fast. It is not my place to speculate exactly why. What I do know, in their particular case they were given way too much to refeed. As in, an entire water melon each the first day. You are left to your own devices as to how you refeed, no one is around cutting up portions for you.
The refeeding likely had nothing to do with the mental break down, and it probably could have happened at any fasting retreat, the problem is that the retreaters were aware the brothers (I will call the younger one Tom and the older one Louis for convenience) were going crazy before Victoria was.
I was moved into the barn when I initially arrived, which is why Mary was moved into the library. Within a few days my allergies became unbearable there, and the heat was causing me to throw up. So, I moved myself onto the couch in the main house. Tom and Louis were staying upstairs. I had a conversation with another retreater at 2 in the afternoon. Tom and Louis requested I not have conversations in the house, so they can better deal with their healing crisis. I didn't think this was terribly unreasonable. Then, I heard them talking rather loudly when I was going to bed, so I asked them to keep it down a bit. Victoria comes by around 10pm that night. They report me to Victoria saying I had no right to be on the couch. So Victoria said I had to move back into the barn until a room became available in 2 days (she said I do not have "squatting rights"). I refused, so she said if the brothers agreed I could sleep on the couch. Other wise she would have to get me a motel (?!). Tom and Louis agreed that 2 days was fine, under the terms I had no rights as a couch surfer. So, she told me they could be as loud as they want, at any time they want, and I shant dare say anything. At that point I threatened to leave, so she said she didn't mean to favor Tom and Louis, or something like that, I don't recall exactly. In any case the brothers spent the entire night screaming and hitting each other. I spent the night on the phone with a friend, 4 days into a fast at this point, confused as to how to deal with the whole situation. Victoria was under the impression they were doing "exercises" to relieve stress.
Victoria only realized something was wrong, when Louis attacked a guest while he was sleeping. The next morning Victoria said she would have them on a plane that night. Instead, they slept at Victoria's place. She brought the brothers back with her to the retreat the next day while she checked up on people. Victoria put the older brother into the barn. I had went to get something I had left there when I noticed him, covered in scratches and bruises. Basically I was alone with a mentally unstable person who wasn't supposed to be there.
After that, the older brother went to the airport, while the younger brother stayed at Victoria's another night. He ran away from Victoria's house that night, back to the retreat, and stood outside a retreater door screaming and making weird noises. The following night, he ran away again, the police found him and took him to a hospital. Eventually his parents flew to Washington to see him and take him home.
I chose to end my fast after 11 days at her retreat because I did not feel comfortable 1)Being vulnerable in an environment where I did not feel safe. 2)Was worried she was not going to assist me in breaking my fast properly, that she might ignore my food sensitivities (Victoria insisted on giving another retreater nuts during refeeding who was intolerant to them), or that there would be no food there if I needed to end my fast early/suddenly and she wasn't around. 3) was concerned she wouldn't even provide transportation to the bus station on time that takes me to the airport, she was an hour late picking me up when I got there.
I "snuck out" with another retreater at 8 in the morning, because we felt that we could not simply tell Victoria we were leaving without angry confrontation. This is obviously extremely unprofessional.
Over all Victoria's attitude was heavily egocentric, arrogant, aggressive, and self righteous. She does not practice natural hygiene herself, I don't think she really remembers what she wrote in her books. She is 200 pounds over weight, has a hearing aid and cataracts at 70 (which is not standard for a practicing natural hygienist or raw vegan, see Lou Corona). She stays up all night and sleeps all day. She admits she eats meat all day 1 day a week, and has been heard bragging about her outings at the olive garden. Again, if she ran the retreat properly, that wouldn't even be a big deal.
So, obviously don't fast there, and be extremely cautious where you go for a supervised fast. Honestly after that experience I feel supervised fasting is overrated, and most people could go 20-30 days on their own. You're better off getting a motel and maybe having a naturopath you can call once a week, rather than being vulnerable around a controlling person, who's mainly out for your money.-
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This person should be taken out of business, if all this is true. Wow! Nobody has reported her to to the authorities? She sounds like a maniac. Archus
This person should be taken out of business, if all this is true.
Wow! Nobody has reported her to to the authorities?
She sounds like a maniac.
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Thank you for sharing the details of your journey, shall I say ordeal. Her property and attitude are unfit for this kind of care. You are brave and well equipped to do it on your own, as most pe ....
Thank you for sharing the details of your journey, shall I say ordeal.
Her property and attitude are unfit for this kind of care.
You are brave and well equipped to do it on your own, as most people are.
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This is a reply to # 2,267,323Does this place even exist? It’s like a TV show. Would make great reality TV. That said I don’t watch TV. Hard to believe, and yeah, pretty crazy--who have you reported this to? I googled a ....
Does this place even exist? It's like a TV show. Would make great reality TV. That said I don't watch TV.
Hard to believe, and yeah, pretty crazy--who have you reported this to?
I googled and only came up with your post.
OK-wait. I found this. Link won't paste. It's the something "in the woods" "outfit". Outfit? Sounds like a synonym for "scam"
The page is quite a red flag.
Sorry anyone had to experience this. . .
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This is a reply to # 2,267,713I don’t think one should discuss here about how to report or where to report this practice by a lunatic. Whoever does it should just surprise her. Chiron, It is nice to see you here at lea ....
I don't think one should discuss here about how to report or where to report this practice by a lunatic. Whoever does it should just surprise her.
Chiron,
It is nice to see you here at least showing up intermittently.
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here’s a link.
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here’s a link. http://www.getwellstaywellamerica.com/ lots of links within. . . I was sloppy, and didn’t properly google ”Bidwell”, but rather ”Bidwel” It certainly looks like she m ....
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here's a link.
http://www.getwellstaywellamerica.com/
lots of links within. . .
I was sloppy, and didn't properly google "Bidwell", but rather "Bidwel"
It certainly looks like she might have good credentials...
I once booked a "cottage" on the basis of online pictures and
an email conversation, and on arriving there found this same
issue of a fenced yard ( a sort of suburban by-the-lake feeling) with neighbours in plain sight and sound, when the place was listed as a "retreat".
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Victoria Bidwell’s operates under five different websites and does give the address of this place till you call her. She has a postal address, that in its self is a give away that this is not a ko ....
Victoria Bidwell's operates under five different websites and does give the address of this place till you call her. She has a postal address, that in its self is a give away that this is not a kosher place.-
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This is a reply to # 2,268,156Re: Why you should go to Victoria Bidwell's Best Natural Hygiene health retreat to fast
This person makes unsubstantiated statements based on generalizations and guesswork, simply suppositions. Victoria Bidwell offers a true healing opportunity for an amazingly reasonable and fair cost. Listen in your heart to where this rant is coming from. Do not let people that are part of the problem and not part o the solution take away your opportunity to find the path to true health and healing, mentally, spiritually and physically. Who am I? I have practiced Holistic dentistry and medicine for for over 40 years and have 47 years as a Dentist. I spent a month with Victoria and it has transformed my life in a positive fashion. Nothing that has been said by others whether true or false can take away from these facts.
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Waterfast / Ammonia smelling urine
Hi, first time posting here, hopefully in the right place.
In an attempt to get rid of ammonia smelling urine, I'm going to do a waterfast. Years earlier I've done 20-30 days, but without this ammonia thing going on. Just wondering if it's safe to do with it, I've had this issue for over a year now and my body keeps telling me to do it...it keeps coming to mind recently. I do plan on drinking a lot of water beforehand.
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Hello! I am coming off of a 36 day water only fast and have really enjoyed reading the wisdom offered here, especially on refeeding, since I was ill-prepared for it, as this was my first fast of this length. I have plenty of experience with shorter duration fasts.
I came to the end of my rope with boredom and having no energy, and decided to end on the 36th day vs. fasting through the 40th day.
Yesterday I broke the fast with fresh-squeezed orange juice. Over the course of the day, I drank about 1.25 quarts. Which was way too much. I felt horrible. Later I switched to homemade vegetable broth I made to replace minerals. Today, I've had 1/2 cup broth about every hour or longer. Still felt iffy this morning, but have gradually felt better.
During the fast I never had foul breath. My tongue was coated the whole time. My weight was 183.8 on day 2 (I didn't weigh on day 1). On day 36, I weighed 152.2. I don't have any major health problems.
I fear my body was not done with the fast, however. I have managed to develop a vaginal yeast infection toward the end of the fast! I am 48 and this is only the second time I've had one! The first was when I was a teen.
Can anyone shed light on what might be going on? Why would I get a yeast infection after 30+ days of fasting?
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starting 7 day water fast on monday, sept19. anyo... hajera 19 y 7,013starting 7 day water fast on monday, sept19. anyone care to join me.
hello all. I am planning to start a 7-10 day Water Fast on monday, sept. 19th. Any takers? I'm leaving the weekend days as pre-fasting preparation. I intend to keep on water based fruits/vegs for two days.
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Hi! I have trouble getting hold of distilled water in scotland and was wondering what is the next best thing?Thanks!-
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This is a reply to # 687,687As strange as it sounds, fasting on water is much easier than on juices. After ketoses kicks in, body feeds on it’s own deseased cells, fat and protein and hunger completely goes away. Not so wit ....
As strange as it sounds, fasting on water is much easier than on juices.
After ketoses kicks in, body feeds on it's own deseased cells, fat and protein and hunger completely goes away. Not so with juices, you never go into ketoses with all the Sugar which also releases extra insuline so your blood Sugar drops and you feel more hungry than ever. -
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Water fasting is far simpler than juice fasting, as counterintuitive as that may sound. Ketosis eliminates hunger by causing the body to run on its own diseased cells, fat,
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Water fasting is far simpler than juice fasting, as counterintuitive as that may sound.
Ketosis eliminates hunger by causing the body to run on its own diseased cells, fat, redactle, and protein. However, due to the Sugar content and the accompanying release of insuline, you never enter ketosis when consuming juice.
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hello all. I am planning to start a 7-10 day water fast on monday, sept. 19th. Any takers? I’m leaving the weekend days as pre-fasting preparation. I intend to keep on water based fruits/vegs ....
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This is a reply to # 687,685Count me in too. I would like to lose at least 10 to 15 pnds. Hopefully this will put me on the right path. We can all do this is we stick together!! Tomorrow is the first day for the new us! (how ....
Count me in too. I would like to lose at least 10 to 15 pnds. Hopefully this will put me on the right path. We can all do this is we stick together!! Tomorrow is the first day for the new us! (how corney?!...but true)-
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I’m starting my fast tomorrow also except I use Kombucha Tea 500ml and Himalayan salt with my water. The weight lose is stunning and cant wait for that energy buzz and extra lightness it gives so ....
I'm starting my fast tomorrow also except I use Kombucha Tea 500ml and Himalayan salt with my water. The weight lose is stunning and cant wait for that energy buzz and extra lightness it gives so I'm in on this too!-
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This is a reply to # 687,690Thanks, I’m so glad that all of you decided to join, the more support the better! I myself was close to breaking my fast already until i revisited this message board. Keep updating, we need to s ....
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This is a reply to # 687,690I personally don’t think it’s a good idea, putting all that salt into your body witout any other nutrients and minerals to balance it can cause imbalance of electrolites and damage kidneys. Just m ....
I personally don't think it's a good idea, putting all that salt into your body witout any other nutrients and minerals to balance it can cause imbalance of electrolites and damage kidneys. Just my opinion.
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Im starting Monday too but for 11 days. Do you think I will lose weight? I have tried to fast the past few days but I cant get myself to do it but now that I have found that other people are tryin ....
Im starting Monday too but for 11 days. Do you think I will lose weight? I have tried to fast the past few days but I cant get myself to do it but now that I have found that other people are trying, it gives me more will power. Im going to do it!!!- Re:DAY ONE! auntieb 19 y 6,792
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Why does nobody seem to use water fasting with COV... Elevate 3 y 1,739 † C †Why does nobody seem to use water fasting with COVID?
Nobody seems to be talking about Water Fasting and COVID. I've always found Water Fasting to be the best solution for bad colds and flu in the past. Why burden your body with the need for food digestion if you're sick with COVID? When I got sick in the past as soon as I stopped eating I started to improve. And when I continued to eat I got worse. I've never been tested so I don't know if the flu I had last year was COVID and there is no reasonably priced antibodies test and even if there was it may not detect them from a year ago. But it sure makes sense to use the same remedy for other flu's that worked.-
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People have to decide if ”water fasting” makes more sense than information from med school profs. https://youtu.be/xy8XcBodQv0?t=630 https://youtu.be/3UTuT9TSRFQ?t=1016 https://covid19criti ....
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People have to decide if "water fasting" makes more sense than information from med school profs.
https://youtu.be/xy8XcBodQv0?t=630
https://youtu.be/3UTuT9TSRFQ?t=1016
https://covid19criticalcare.com/ (FLCCC)
The FLCCC's protocol for outpatients worked remarkably well when my mid 80s parents and I got our dance with the virus. We all had previously gotten vitamin D tests and corrected into the 40s. We had all of the supplements in the FLCCC's protocol on hand and some Ivermectin as well. -
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This is a reply to # 2,440,967Honestly, we don’t know if water fasting helps, but it sure makes me feel better. I felt like i cured myself from a few months of ’long’ covid .. then I got sick again from someone that was recent ....
Honestly, we don't know if Water Fasting helps, but it sure makes me feel better. I felt like i cured myself from a few months of 'long' covid .. then I got sick again from someone that was recently vaxxed (I think it was from their spike protein shedding). Im hoping that Water Fasting can help with the new PRION disease possibility from covid/vax-
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This is a reply to # 2,441,276I haven’t done a water fast because I am so incredibly weak and already chronically ill, but I have noticed on days when I do not eat almost anything I do much, much better with my Long Covid. I f ....
I haven't done a Water Fast because I am so incredibly weak and already chronically ill, but I have noticed on days when I do not eat almost anything I do much, much better with my Long Covid. I feel much better and energetic. Then when its time to eat, I get sluggish, ill and sick again. It's frustrating, and makes me worry the stuff is still alive in my GI.
I have no idea why fasting makes me feel better with long covid.
I am making sure not to eat at night, and taking a bromelain enzyme before I sleep. it helps a little.
..drinking just a lot of orange juice, and no food, similarly helps me. Also, I seem to endlessly then crave more OJ. I drink a gallon at a time. very expensive :(
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This is a reply to # 2,441,766Hello Pathseeker, In response to one portion of your message, feeling sluggish when eating after a period of fasting is usually the result of eating food that is more digestively complex and/o ....
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Hello Pathseeker,
In response to one portion of your message, feeling sluggish when eating after a period of fasting is usually the result of eating food that is more digestively complex and/or more plentiful than the body is ready to optimally process. In this digestively delicate stage, juice is the ideal - as it seems you have experienced for yourself - and as much as one might desire... and once the digestive system has emerged from its slumber during the juice phase then the next stage would ideally be blended fruit and/or leafy vegetables then the next would be unblended fruits and leafy vegetables and continuing to deepen little by little from here.
Eating more than we are ready at any stage will often result in sluggishness and by contrast, pacing ourselves optimally as we emerge from the fast should make us feel great every step of the way.
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I’m returning here to let any future people know how important fasting is. Since my post so long ago, I nearly cured my long covid with extended water fasting. Fasting is now viewed as the #1 most ....
I'm returning here to let any future people know how important fasting is. Since my post so long ago, I nearly cured my long covid with extended water fasting. Fasting is now viewed as the #1 most important thing for long covid sufferers, even on the flccc.net site (front line critical covid care). But I'm here to tell you what truly healed me and put Water Fasting to shame... DRY FASTING. Once you look into it, you can't unsee it. Yes your first impression will be to scoff and ignore it, citing things like dangerous and crazy. But it works 100%, I am back to running, jumping, working 2 jobs, writing a blog, and spending time with my kids. All this coming from someone who couldn't get out of bed, had migraines daily, fatigue, de-realization, and flare ups everytime he tried to go for walks. I'm healed, and dry fasting is the reason. There is a podcast called DRY FASTING CLUB and it can guide you to do it from home. Follow Yannick. It's a journey, so the faster you start, the faster you will heal GOOD LUCK
P.S. Curezone was one of the last sites on the internet where you could get the REAL information with real people who took health seriously with no censorship. It's obviously dying now, but I have to give kudos to the people that are still running the servers and keeping it online. There is unfathomable important information hidden in these forums, and it's a travesty to watch it slowly wither away and get replaced with massive corporate controlled replacements.-
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“意见领袖”大衣下的郭文贵
风光一时的郭文贵，在蚂蚁们的吹捧下，俨然成为了救苦救难的菩萨，为何郭文贵能一度辉煌无比，一度忽悠了成百上千的无知群众，其实就是在他不停的为自己抹上一层“意见领袖”的外衣，让我们扒开他的这层外衣，看看里面到底藏了一些什么鬼东西。
一、材料再加工的大忽悠
其实，郭文贵从一开始就想把自己打造成一个被迫害的意见领袖形象。在拉扎斯菲尔德等人提出的“两级传播”理论中，信息先由大众传媒流向意见领袖之后再流向公众，因此，意见领袖这一中介者无疑成了传播的“二把手”，将信息“解释并加工”成符合自己所属群体特性的内容并继续传播扩散。对于有利的内容，他们会主动传播，而对于不利的，则会一概去除。所以显而易见，郭文贵从不谈及自己被讨债，犯罪等问题，其总是非常擅长转移注意力，通过信息的加工和再解释，把一些广为人知的东西重新包装，附上阴谋论、迫害论，就可以快速的组装成一个抓人眼球的“爆料”。可惜，谎言经不起时间的推敲，为了维护好自己的形象，也就造成了现在我们看到的一个谎话连篇的郭文贵。
二、无信无力的大骗子
郭文贵为何总能有小蚂蚁跟随，从根源来看，就是他所给自己形象的包装和打造，有着支配引导，协调干扰的作用。他以意见领袖的形象，成为群体、人际传播中的重要角色，蚂蚁们所拥趸的对象，必须有着或权威、或可信、或专业的特性，对某一事件具有独特看法，深受大众或群体个人的信任。因此，从最早不知出处的老领导、纽约时报、班农等等，他在努力向关注他的人传播一种信息：他有强力的可信度。他通过所谓的爆料，迎合部分人群的想法，而在社会价值观解构，公众理性丧失，自身判断力减弱的情况下，其也在一段时间内，有效借助自身意见引导舆论，对已有信息产生或协调、或干扰的引领作用。但是，很快的，他的困扰缠身，导致了公信力的急剧下降，他精心打造的形象开始崩塌，用毫无根据、毫无逻辑的谎言编织而成的战神郭文贵，终究会被所有人唾弃。
三、扯着虎皮的大混蛋
在拉扎斯菲尔德的理论中，意见领袖社交范围广，拥有较多的信息渠道，对大众传播的接触频度高、接触量大，同时意见领袖常常关注那些身边的事件和新闻，并适时发表自己的观点。郭文贵的发布会、全球直播等种种做法与上述理论不谋而合，可以看出其别有用心，正所谓酒香不怕巷子深，他为何一而再，再而三的强调自己与重要人物、重量级媒体的“亲密”关系，原因就是他希望能掌握到一些信息，体现出自己的能量，从而为继续扩散和编造谎言打造一个强有力的虚拟背景墙，他希望通过扩大影响力，从而裹挟民意，为自己的政治庇护提供帮助。可惜，郭文贵拙劣的演技已经使得美国人失望，他最终的结局就是穷途末路。
想借意见领袖外衣，用民意武装自己，妄图期待以此获取美国的政治庇护，满嘴谎话的郭文贵这招看似管用，但是抛弃了最基本做人原则的他，怎么可能继续潇洒下去，越来越多的人，开始看清他的真面目，不断萎缩的蚂蚁帮就是最好的证明，他，已无路可走。
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I need some advice.
Some of you may know that I'm into Day 3 of a 14-day Water Fast. I want to receive the most benefit from this short fast (I can't believe I'm saying that having only done 6 days before this). I'm receiving an inner-strength from somewhere to do this. I can visualize going on much longer fasts, along with maximum Nutrition when I am eating between Fasts, to build the strongest Body possible.
I have a question for you who are more experienced at this. I want to incorporate Dry Fasting along with my Water Fasts. The question is when? I'm considering going Dry for day 4, and possibly day 5. But maybe I should wait until Autolysis begins.
Does anyone have an idea about this?.....WY
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If you are planning on doing an alternating water/dry fast, I have a better method. Do a water fast, but only drink enough water to eliminate mental or physical weakness. Don't drink because of thirst, but push beyond that limit.
Try not to get too dehydrated, though. Dehydration increases the chance of losing consciousness, particularly in hot environments. If you faint, there is no promise that you will awaken. Remember, a slower detox is better than being dead.
In my experience, you will notice the effects of a pure dry fast at least three times as quickly as a pure water fast. For example, people who get weak or nauseous on a 3 day Water Fast will get the same symptoms after 24 hours of a dry fast.-
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”In my experience, you will notice the effects of a pure dry fast at least three times as quickly as a pure water fast. For example, people who get weak or nauseous on a 3 day water fast will get ....
"In my experience, you will notice the effects of a pure dry fast at least three times as quickly as a pure water fast. For example, people who get weak or nauseous on a 3 day Water Fast will get the same symptoms after 24 hours of a dry fast."
Are the effects earlier from dry fasting because of lack of hydration or detoxing more quickly? I don't really know much about dry fasting, i'm curious-
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This is a reply to # 1,741,008”Are the effects earlier from dry fasting because of lack of hydration or detoxing more quickly? ” That depends. If you have a really good quality water, you should be detoxing quicker on a wa ....
"Are the effects earlier from dry fasting because of lack of hydration or detoxing more quickly? "
That depends. If you have a really good quality water, you should be detoxing quicker on a water fast. But that kind of water is extremely expensive, and the only way you're going to get it realistically is if you have a clean source or some kind of machine to purify water to the correct quality.
One of the reasons I got into dry fasting is because the city water here is so terrible that you can put it through a thousand filters and it will still feel like dead weight in the stomache. Bottled water is better, but it's not good enough to justify buying it all the time. -
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How I lost 100 pounds BSA SUCCESS mouseclick 15 y 211,442 † C †How I lost 100 pounds
I must have mentioned this recently because someone who has never posted PMd me and asked me how I did it. It’s a reasonable question to ask, so I thought I’d do a little post for all to see. OK, back in the autumn of 2007, I was a mess. I weighted 18 stone 8 pounds, that’s 260 pounds, or 118Kg. I was Body Mass Index 42.3, that’s what’s called ”morbidly obese”. I hurt my knee getting out of the car and that dragged on for months, I could hardly walk sometimes. My feet were swollen up and I was wearing 2 shoe sizes larger than what I am now. I couldn’t buy clothes that fitted me. I could ... [This message is long. Retrieve the whole message]-
Sounds like a weight loss journey. Good for you.
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This is a reply to # 1,420,487Sounds like a weight loss journey. Good for you. P.S. I watched Processed People finally, it just says stuff you get from the books basically. Don’t know if you saw it already.
Sounds like a weight loss journey. Good for you.
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I watched Processed People finally, it just says stuff you get from the books basically. Don't know if you saw it already.-
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This is a reply to # 1,420,487What you have accomplished is absolutely AMAZING! Congratulations are in order, over the 100 pound mark,WOW. Your story just goes to prove that when a person makes up his/her mind to cha ....
What you have accomplished is absolutely AMAZING! Congratulations are in order, over the 100 pound mark,WOW.
Your story just goes to prove that when a person makes up his/her mind to change the path of their life it is entirely possible but it takes dedication and willpower to stick with it.
I do agree with you in that fasting is a great tool to use to reset the taste buds. I was able to eat and not only eat but crave healthy foods after my 21 day fast. I'm eating, well drinking even more green super foods now that I've got my VitaMix. Anyway fasting helped me to get on the path to a healthy lifestyle. I lost weight on the fast of course but when I broke the fast I gained a little over a third of it back which is normal I think but I have been able to lose it again by eating mainly a plant based diet with some nuts, seeds and fruit. I no longer eat all the unhealthy starchy foods I used to crave. I have fasting to thank for that.
I just want to say that if someone wants to fast to lose weight and then goes right back to eating toxic food after the fast you'll gain all you lost plus you will most likely end up weighing more than you did prior to fasting. Fasting for me was a launching pad into a whole new world of nutrition. If you just want to lose a few pounds and go right back to the way you were before the fast I would say fasting isn't for you.
I have read about many health benefits you gain by fasting. One of the reasons I wanted to fast was that I had been smoking for years and wanted to clear out my arteries, I can't prove that fasting did this but I sure do feel better since I quite smoking and I'm sure my arteries got rid of plaque that had accumulated over the years while I was fasting as this is what happens in a fasting state. Your body consumes things that aren't supposed to be in your body.
Fasting is more than just not eating, its a state of the mind, you've got to be prepared mentally before you begin the fast. That is my experience anyway. The stronger you are mentally the easier your fast will be. If you are constantly thinking of food and being hungry then your mind will tell you that you've got to eat. Its really a mind over matter thing, I can't say it any plainer than that.
I have great respect for what you've accomplished Steve. I admire your ability to stay dedicated to achieving your set goal. So big KUDOS go to you. May you live to be 120 years!
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I use a Tanita InnerScan BC-540 Body Composition Monitor, which is a scale that measures body fat by sending an electronic current through your body. They are quite accurate it seems, Tanita also do a professional range for doctors.
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This is a reply to # 1,420,487Re: Loose skin update
Someone else PM'd me asking about loose skin. Good question.
I don' know if anyone has seen the movie "Apollo 13" with Tom Hanks (I watched Apollo 11 and 13 live) but there is a point at which they are on their way home and then NASA works out that the heat shield may be damaged, and could cause them all to burn up on re-entry, but there is no way they can tell if this will happen. There are demonstrations by TV newscasters using blow torches on models of the capsule to show the public how dangerous it was, and get the viewer figures back up.
That's what I felt when I first heard about loose skin, that even though I was on my way home, there was an unknown danger ahead of me.
As the person who PM'd me knows, I have mentioned loose skin before, but have not been clear on how this has resolved.
Well, it's still there, but doesn't look awful yet, but there again I have more weight to lose. I won't know how this resolves until I reach my target weight, but at the moment I have some belly fat which is being pulled down my gravity, and this looks a little saggy.
This is also a reason why I am not in a hurry to lose the remainder of this weight so quickly. I'll just eat good food and let nature work it's course.
I am also experimenting with no soap and no shampoo. From what I have read, skin and hair oil contains omega 3 oils, and it seems rather silly to wash them off with petrochemicals each day, thus making the body work hard in putting them back. Especially when omega 3 oils seem to help with skin elasticity http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070802171752AALhRBI
It took a month or so for my hair to adjust, during which time I washed it occasionally with bicarbonate of soda and used cider vinegar as conditioner. I should be getting the other stuff I need from the plant based diet. I have also tested for Body Odor s with some pretty fussy people, and so far so good. I can only assume that the new diet helps, no sugar, fat, salt, oil processed food or meat.
I am going to get to 11% body fat regardless, so I guess for me the re-entry point (to use the Apollo 13 analogy) will be when I approach 60Kg or 130 pounds, and that may be towards the end of this year. I am 72Kg now. When I am 60Kg I am hoping there will be no belly fat, which is what's currently what's causing some slight sagging due to gravity. Then hopefully the skin will tighten more.
If there is still loose skin I will experiment with ways to get rid of it, including exercise and perhaps another water fast. A fast might well tighten it up I think, but I don't want to do one now as it will slow my metabolism down.
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there was a poster, severin, she had lost many many pounds (a bit less than 100 pounds for what I remember) by doing a Water Fast of 40 days, then 2 months raw, then a juice fast of 40 days again. By the time she began the second fast she was already at ideal weight, but she did the fast anyway, and as a result all her loose skin tightened.
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This is a reply to # 1,420,771That’s good to hear. I worry about this issue myself. I never heard of loose skin until this year.
That's good to hear. I worry about this issue myself. I never heard of loose skin until this year.
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This is a reply to # 1,420,794Here’s an old thread http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1158191 where we discussed it. If you look up stuff you will find lots of varying opinion, and there are some new treatments out the ....
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where we discussed it.
If you look up stuff you will find lots of varying opinion, and there are some new treatments out there involving infra red and radio signals.
When Chrisb1 was telling I was only "53 years young" in that thread, I hadn't at that point realized the potential of a plant based diet, though he would have known about a Natural Hygiene, which from what I understand is more or less the same thing.
Now I really do feel much younger because of the healthy eating, and that change has only come about this last few months, having cut out sugar, fat, meat, oil salt and processed food.
My current view is the body will tighten up the skin naturally, and it will probably be helped by very simple things such as some massages. However the body probably will hang on to that skin sometime in case the weight goes back on again, as it won't want to waste energy in removing it then building it back.
I will do some exercise and rebounding etc, and see how it goes. When I get to my target weight, if there is still a problem I will try a fast. I'll probably post some pics, but we are talking many months ahead.
I think most of the people who say loose skin does not go by itself are probably eating a rubbish diet.
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heart palpitations during water fast?
A few years ago I did an extensive Water Fast but had to end it over concerns about heart palpitations.
Now I am doing one-day fasts and experiencing minor heart palpitations even at the end of one day.
If I take a drink of juice, I am fine.
I wonder if I should stick to juice fasts instead of water fasts?
(I have found out that I've had a bacterial infection called Endemic Typhus that might explain some of these things. I am treating that now with Antibiotics )
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This is a reply to # 1,866,295Heart palpitations can be an alarming experience for those on a water-only-fast, but are in fact quite common and remedial. Not only in my own experience, but that of thousands of others this i ....
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Heart palpitations can be an alarming experience for those on a water-only-fast, but are in fact quite common and remedial.
Not only in my own experience, but that of thousands of others this is a common occurrence, where the heart is readjusting its electrical activity and responding to the release of toxins within the bloodstream. It is also a marker that the heart is in the process of strengthening itself, which it invariably will during the fasting process.
Please read this because of heart activity and HBP are closely related...........
http://www.healthpromoting.com/article/high-blood-pressure-learning-live-with...
I am wondering how you are conducting your fast? because rest is vital at this time, and where physical activity/emotional involvement/anxiety, will only exacerbate this.
I would strongly advise you to listen to your body and submit to its wants and needs.
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This is a reply to # 1,866,392thanks... I had the palpitations and then took a little juice and they went away. I was a bit scared to be honest. I also know I’ve had a bacterial infection (akin to Lymes) and know that toxi ....
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I had the palpitations and then took a little juice and they went away. I was a bit scared to be honest.
I also know I've had a bacterial infection (akin to Lymes) and know that toxins were being released as my immune system focused its energy on it.
I might go on another extended Water Fast (7+ days) and maybe add some juice in there when I think my body needs a boost. I experienced mental clarity like never before and was very "industrious". Not so much physically, but certainly mentally and spiritually.
I was thinking of a juice fast which has a heavy tomato component and carrot with beetroot. I'll have to pop some leafy greens in there somewhere I know.-
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Hi Bansaw, Heart palpitation is very common while fasting due to increased need for energy(glucose) for your muscles and brain. basically that shouldn’t scare you and will be resolved by itself ....
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Hi Bansaw,
Heart palpitation is very common while fasting due to increased need for energy(glucose) for your muscles and brain. basically that shouldn't scare you and will be resolved by itself(although you should rest). this usually happens to people with very stressed lifesyle. if you find that juices are helpful to relieve it don't drink too much juice because it slows down the process of fasting and will lengthen the fast. Therefore I recommend to avoid juices as much as you can.
I also recommend to check your blood pressure when feel your heart palpitation gets stronger, if you find your blood pressure only with minor changes compared to before it started (while fasting),than you really don't need to worry and may continue as planned.-
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Good post Lucidmind, but it isn’t strictly true to say that palpitations can be caused by an increased need for glucose, as these and/or arrhythmias can occur at any stage of a fast, while full ....
Good post Lucidmind,
but it isn't strictly true to say that palpitations can be caused by an increased need for glucose, as these and/or arrhythmias can occur at any stage of a fast, while full ketone-burning and production is in full swing; glucose/glycogen supplies and production are at a minimum throughout after the first 2 to 3 days.
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This is a reply to # 1,866,771Right. when I say glucose I mean energy in general. Since less energy is delivered to the tissues while fasting, there’s a self mechanism which increase blood supply(flow) to the organs and tissu ....
Right. when I say glucose I mean energy in general.
Since less energy is delivered to the tissues while fasting, there's a self mechanism which increase blood supply(flow) to the organs and tissues to compensate it. Keton bodies are not as efficient as glucose and adsorbed more slowly. Therefore in case one's body isn't fully adapted into slower metabolism, weakness may apprear.-
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This is a reply to # 1,866,777Thank you for clarifying that. Yes, weakness may occur for a variety of reasons, but the original query was about palpitations whilst fasting I believe. Shelton had this to say re’ palpitation ....
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Thank you for clarifying that.
Yes, weakness may occur for a variety of reasons, but the original query was about palpitations whilst fasting I believe.
Shelton had this to say re' palpitations while fasting...........
" Palpitation: "Pain in the heart" and palpitation of this organ are due to gases in the digestive organs. These symptoms are of rare development and are not dangerous, although they are usually the source of much needless apprehension on the part of the patient. Palpitation may be the result of "nervousness," fear or exertion............
AND...........
"Pain felt in the heart is rarely actual pain in the heart. It is usually pain in the chest. It may be due to gas, it may be of "psychic" origin, it may be of TOXIC origin. Unless it is accompanied with other symptoms that indicate heart trouble, it should be ignored. It is not serious and soon passes".
So palpitations are rarely if ever a danger signal and a readjustment of the body to either toxins, or to the Hearts own autonomous electrical system that this period of physiological rest provides, and accentuated or exacerbated by possible emotional disturbances such as anxiety.
The body will also self-adjust its metabolism while fasting into a lowered state, along with other animals who hibernate and go without food for extended periods of time, so the body will always adjust and adapt in this way.
It is debatable whether the cause of weakness is due to fatty-acid production as the main fuel supply over that of glucose while eating, as there are many many cases on record of an increase in strength during ketosis up to the first two to three weeks on water-only...................
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch16.htm
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This is a reply to # 1,866,799I know this is an old post but it pops up in google searches so.... Palpitations during fasting can happen for a variety of reasons. Due to gas in the digestive system.... once this happened ....
I know this is an old post but it pops up in google searches so....
Palpitations during fasting can happen for a variety of reasons.
Due to gas in the digestive system.... once this happened to me but not during fasting. The easy way to verify is to lie down and they will pass. Sit up and they return. It's that simple.
Lie down, if they don't pass then it's not due to the digestive system.
Other reasons are magnesium deficiency, electrolyte imbalance, sudden intake of sugars or lack of sugars as mentioned in this thread. Maybe others?
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This is a reply to # 1,866,295I usually experience palpitations around 7 days into a water fast, and find they tend to taper off by around days 12-13. So yes, I would say perfectly normal, if slightly disconcerting at first ....
I usually experience palpitations around 7 days into a water fast, and find they tend to taper off by around days 12-13. So yes, I would say perfectly normal, if slightly disconcerting at first when you're not quite sure what's going on.
Unless you have some other underlying health issue, I would suggest it's not something to get too worried about. I agree with the suggestion that the likeliest explanation is the cardiac muscles adjusting to burning ketones rather than glucose.
I also found my BP doing strange things during fasting - mainly raised diastolic (ie BP 'at rest'), but lowered distolic pressure. Completely anti-intuitive, but according to Dr Andre Kruger (the 'fast doctor'), all perfectly normal & nothing to worry about.
Worrying is never good for BP anyway, is it? So relax, and enjoy.
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I’ll just add this note. I did the 42 day Breuss fast 5 years ago. At the end of the first week my heart would gurgle at night when I laid down on the bed. Just a few gurgles but it scared me but I didn’t want to go to the hospital or stop fasting prematurely. I was detoxing not cancer cure. So I googled it. Before that I’d had heart arrhythmia for decades with a missed beat at 5 to 15+ beats per minute. BP was always below normal. Doctors said it was common. Vaccines?
Anyway, I found that I should add more fluids like water to bulk up the bloodstream. I added a teaspoon of salt to the afternoon onion soup too. That fixed it.
Miraculously on day 21 my bp was normal and arrhythmia stopped and has never returned. I wasn’t expecting that and it wasn’t really a concern at the time. But now I know it’s a serious thing.
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Can I drink Senna Tea during a water-only fast? Will this increase my weight loss?
Hello,
I have completed my first day of water fast, which I am doing strictly for weight loss. My question is can I drink senna tea during this Water Fast if it will in any way increase my weight loss?
Couple of other questions.
1. Can I run during fast?
2. Ho much water should I be drinking a day? Can I add lemon to it?-
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Hey toomuchcoke how much are you looking to lose? How much water are you drinking per day and is this day 1 for you? If it is I will start tomorrow
Hey toomuchcoke how much are you looking to lose? How much water are you drinking per day and is this day 1 for you? If it is I will start tomorrow-
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This is a reply to # 2,398,220Hello ADHD Girl, Thanks for replying to my message. I am now on day 3 of my water fast. On day 1 I started at 166.6 pounds and this morning I weighed 162.6 pounds (4 pounds lost in 2 days). ....
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Hello ADHD Girl,
Thanks for replying to my message. I am now on day 3 of my water fast. On day 1 I started at 166.6 pounds and this morning I weighed 162.6 pounds (4 pounds lost in 2 days). I want to get to 145 pounds.
Did you start your water fast? I would be happy to buddy with you.
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This is a reply to # 2,398,103Nothing but water. No toothpaste, chewing gum, no supplements. Don’t run, walk.
Nothing but water. No toothpaste, chewing gum, no supplements. Don’t run, walk.
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Hello Archus, Thanks for replying to my message. I see that you are a bit of a legend on this forum. What if I am doing this water fast strictly for weightloss, can I still not take sena te ....
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Thanks for replying to my message. I see that you are a bit of a legend on this forum.
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This is a reply to # 2,398,398Nothing but Water
Toomuchcoke,
The questions you are asking are FAQs, and the answers you are getting are FAAs.
When Archus or any other experienced water faster tells you "Nothing but Water", it is not because he is afraid you are going to find something better than water, and then you will leave this "secret water club" for good.
Anyone who has read this forum for 10 years, have come across too many messages of people ending sick, or in a hospital or even dying because they neglect the FAQ and the guidelines from experienced fasters.
Doing any one of the next things listed below while Water Fasting (fasting longer than 3-5 days) may actually send you to a hospital or may even kill you if you do not reach a hospital on time:
- running (longer than a few min)
- weight lifting (more than just groceries or common household items, or similar)
- any other form of strenuous exercise like biking, walking stairs, long swimming, walking with a lot of weight or anything else that is actually perfectly safe and healthy for people who eat food at least every 2-3 days
- smoking anything (tobacco or any other herb or powder )
- being exposed to a smoke of fire or any other unclean air
- drinking coffee, tea, or any other herb
- using mouthwash
- brushing your teeth with toothpaste
- working full time (stressful or difficult job ) while fasting
- not sleeping enough
Take care of your health, fasting is never just for a weight loss, it is for better health, not for making you sick.
On the other side, some people do benefit from taking some extra minerals (sodium, potassium, etc ) on a very long Water Fasts (longer than 2 weeks), as some people do get depleted due to drinking too much water, or due to not having enough to begin with, so the simple rule "Water Only" is not to be followed blindly 100% all of the time, instead listen to your body, respect your symptoms, and see if maybe some of the symptoms you are experiencing are symptoms of serious mineral deficiency.
Serious mineral deficiency can also make you sick and can even kill you. The risk of mineral deficiency is higher on a longer fasts and also for people who drink too much water every day.
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This is a reply to # 2,398,398Re: Can I drink Senna Tea during a water-only fast? Will this increase my weight loss?
You are most welcome.
Partial eating will get you in starvation mode. It will harm your body. Water is the best drink on the planet, even when you are not fasting. What will Senna tea achieve, it is diuretic and rob you from water. You do not want that on a fast that is healing and cleaning your body and mind.
I usually don’t recommend fasting for weight loss, you really have to ask yourself why you gained so much weight and how long did it take to get to this stage. Once you complete the fast you have to eat foods that heal you and help you continue the weight loss you desire. Western diet is full of processed foods and heavy proteins, both very toxic for your body.
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Yes, you can drink Senna Tea during a water-only fast. However, it’s important to be aware that drinking Senna Tea can cause side
Yes, you can drink Senna Tea during a water-only fast. However, it's important to be aware that drinking Senna Tea can cause side heardle effects, such as diarrhea and vomiting. If you experience these side effects, it's best to stop drinking Senna Tea and consult a doctor immediately.
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Do people take some Sea Salt with their water during water fasts?
I was speaking with my mom, who's a nurse, and she said that she would worry about me doing an extended Water Fast because my electrolytes would get out of whack.
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Apparently himalayan crystal salt has a correct ratio of minerals and trace elements; and contains no cloride. However, it doesn’t contain iodine which is apparently necessary. http://products. ....
Apparently himalayan crystal salt has a correct ratio of minerals and trace elements; and contains no cloride. However, it doesn't contain Iodine which is apparently necessary.
http://products.mercola.com/himalayan-salt/
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This is a reply to # 1,127,538The body is capable of balancing it’s own electrolytes while fasting. Adding salt could be dangerous.
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I concur with Fonty.
The body balances its own electrolytes and adding Sea Salt can be dangerous. Any deficiency (which is highly unlikely) is made manifest by certain signs and symptoms towards the end of an extended fast, where hunger would then return. With all due respect, Nurses know very little, if anything, about the fasting process.
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”With all due respect, Nurses know very little, if anything, about the fasting process.” Yeah, they may not know about fasting but they have significantly more knowledge about the body, physiol ....
"With all due respect, Nurses know very little, if anything, about the fasting process."
Yeah, they may not know about fasting but they have significantly more knowledge about the body, physiology, and general biological processes than the average water faster.
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This is a reply to # 1,128,092Yes plasticat, but I am not an ”average” water-faster. Regards Chrisb1.
Yes plasticat,
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So, in your opinion Chris, we shouldn’t worry about electrolytes, unless doing a very long fast?
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This is a reply to # 1,128,329Bling, electrolyte levels were not a concern with fasting for the first 150 to 200 years of Natural Hygiene: so (suddenly) why now? The quality & nutritional value of a natural diet is mostly ....
Bling,
electrolyte levels were not a concern with fasting for the first 150 to 200 years of Natural Hygiene: so (suddenly) why now?
The quality & nutritional value of a natural diet is mostly determined by the soil the food is grown in. In Dr Sheltons time, and before him, soils were considered to be very nutritious, with a multitude of minerals and other nutritional elements in abundance.
This is just not true today. Over eons of time, crops have extracted the nutritional elements from the soil, but, unless these are replaced, (which they are not) the soils no longer contain them. This means that most raw fruit and veg' are now deficient in these life-giving elements, which in turn means that we are too: nutrient-deficient soils, also means nutrient-deficient bodies.
This results in todays concern for low or deficient electrolytes while fasting.
Electrolytes are basically "salts" that conduct electricity and are found in the body fluid, tissue, and blood. Best examples are chloride, calcium, magnesium, sodium, and potassium. Proper balance is supposed to be essential for muscle coordination, heart function, fluid absorption and excretion, nerve function, and concentration.
Natures way of replenishing minerals (and therefore electrolytes) was by flooding. The glacial mountains would melt in the summer months, where natural rivers would burst their banks, flooding the valleys and soils below with their life-giving elements: this in turn would mean that subsequent crops grown in those soils would take up these abundant inorganic minerals and form them into bio-available and organic minerals for the benefit of the body.
Unfortunately, this has largely been prevented by man-made dams, which prevents this natural cycle from occurring. Result? Deficient soils, and therefore deficient bodies which feed on these crops.
In addition, modern electrolyte drinks or sports drinks on the market contain so-called electrolytes of "sodium chloride" and "Potassium Chloride"; these are essentially inorganic poisons, and ARE NOT utilized by the body in any way shape or form, but are stored as such within the body-cells to cause problems later in life.
I shall give you just ONE example.............
The food giants will include only salty (sodium chloride) foods within their Public Houses (at the bar) where they serve alcoholic & soft drinks. The reason for this is because the consumption of salty foods such as crisps and salted peanuts will make you thirsty, making you drink MORE of their produce, which in turn increases the profits of these breweries.
Why do these salty foods containing sodium chloride make you thirsty?
Because the body recognizes them as poisons, which the body then tries to expel with an increased fluid intake by creating thirst.
Food giants are not backward at coming forward.
A famous British athlete of the 70's and 80's was a man called David Hemery. He performed at the Olympic Games and won a medal of sorts; however, to prevent electrolyte deficiencies he took several salt tablets a few hours before his competitive races; he was either physically sick prior to, or after each race, with severe vomiting and resultant dehydration. He suspected the reason, and stopped taking the salt tablets by going against his Doctors advice. This improved his performances enormously.
Paul Bragg challenged much younger athletes than he, to a race through the mountains in Colorado (I think), which he won. They consumed salt tablets prior to the race. He didn't. They were amazed.
Just so long as the diet of anyone who is contemplating a fast, of ANY length, (especially a long one) need have no fear of an electrolyte imbalance or deficiency if their pre-fast diet is more than adequate. This though can only be achieved by concentrated and organic supplementation with specialist supplements such as ENIVAS VIBE and similar extremely good quality products.
Personally, in all my years as a health researcher, I wouldn't even contemplate an extended fast in this day age, unless I knew my pre-fast diet was more than adequate. This (in my own view and experience) can only be achieved with quality 100% organic foods & organic supplementation which would prevent any kind of electrolyte deficiency from occurring.
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This is a reply to # 1,128,541Is the master cleanse's salt water flush not recommended?
This is a great discussion.
So is the master cleanse's salt water flush not recommended?
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nurses dont know jack.
theyre the same as the dodgy health profession that thrive on keeping us sick.
natural holistic is best.
soon all the health profession will be rumbled, people are waking up and realizing now.
fasting beats any disease.
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Day 17 of water only fast. Question; I'm having around 10 bowel movements a day since about day 10, 8 of those BMs happen in the couple hours before bed. It's the same everyday; a few ounces of super dark and thick fluid that sinks to the bottom of the bowl and doesn't disrupt or mix with the water in the toilet, and then finish with gas/fart that pushes out a little amount of yellow fluid that floats atop the water.
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Before undergoing a fast click on ”Description” of the forum FIRST. Also, please post only on water-only fasts. Modified Fasts or anything other than this, belongs either in the General Fasting, Fasting Debate, Juice Fasting, or Fasting For Weight loss Forums. Thank you. Useful links. http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/0201hyglibcat.html http://www.healthresearchbooks.com/pages/aboutus_greeting.php
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