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From what I've read you are not supposed to use salt with colloidal silver.
Hello Kyle, I've never heard that. Salt is a no no when making Collodal Silver. It's the electronic process of making CS that turns the product into something other than CS.
I have never had an IV with CS, but occasionally will mix salt with CS to irrigate my sinuses. The main reason for the salt is for comfort. Plain water,and CS burns if salt isn't added. I'm not suggesting you do the IV because of this, just saying.
I would contact the company that sells the CS, and ask them. Their products state no salt, but I'm sure that means in the production.
Better yet, I would, or in addition I would put the question to the doctor that suggested it.
BTW if you watch videos on doing IV's the saline solution comes out of a bag, not just salt and water.
Salt plus Colloidal Silver = silver chloride, which is what the infamous Papa Smurff used to turn himself blue with Argyria.
Yes I'm aware of that. Also I read that he was drinking about 8oz 3 times a day.
Odd that you say Colloidal Silver burns your nose - I have never had colloidal silver burn me either when irritgating my sinuses or using as an eyewash.
Alone no burning sensation either place. Only when mixed with water to irrigate the sinuses.
The water irritates the nasal membranes. Not sure what would happen with tap water. I use distilled.
You have been scarce. Couldn't decide if the WM ran you off, or Luella, LOL
RE: Using electrolyte (non-toxic sodium carbonate and distilled water stops the silver plating to the cathode.
I'd like to touch on some points in your comment as it appears to confound the quality of a CS solution with processing methods.
Though before I begin, I'd like to point out that while it is true that electrolyte will alter the plating characteristics in an electrolytic cell, that the cathode will plate nonetheless. Which you yourself can verify by using a copper cathode and observing the changes that take place throughout processing.
Beyond this I'd add that it has been my observation that the use and admission of additives in the productions of Colloidal Silver has proven to be less than substantial on numerous fronts. The first being that the reduction process does not live up-to the claim, in that if we subject the solution to the table salt test, it will precipitate in the very same way that the none reduced solutions will. To which I'd, add the author and maker of the Silvertron claimed would not be the case in one of his blog entries.
In continuing, if we subject the same chemically reduced solution to HCl, the disassociation times differentiating both solutions will be mere seconds. Though above all, both solution will disassociate nonetheless.
Therefore and with that being said, the question of what advantages come from the admissions of additives in the production of Colloidal Silver comes up. ie, if we conclude that the reactive properties of Colloidal Silver are due in part with the ionic interchange of the cell, then the question as to what rational we'd apply to justify the reduction of the ionic properties of a particular solution comes up.
Taking things further, if we conclude that the use and admission of a Colloidal Silver solution is most effective when taken transdermaly, then why take measures to move the composition further from this domain?
My take on this is that the maker of the Silvertron generator did what many people have done in this business in that he devised an idea that he believed would help overcome some of the known issues associated with the use of Colloidal Silver in humans. However, I'd also add, that while his intentions were likely genuine, that the fact remains that he has not published any research of data to justify his beliefs.
And so with all that being said, the question as to what a good Colloidal Silver solution is, comes to mind.
Is it one that takes part in a process requiring additives and spontaneous color changes? Or that of reduced cathode plating?
Fortunately, I believe the proof is much simpler than some would have us believe. IOW. the inherent quality of a Colloidal Silver solution is determined by its effectiveness. And while there have been numerous tests and experiments carried out on the internet over the years, it seems that the best evidence remains that of the the testimonials from those using it. :)
Hope this helps.
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I'd first begin by stating that this post belongs in the debate forum rather than the support forum.
That said, since you've posted in a public forum, I'll do my best to address some points in hopes of coming to terms with what I'd call a rather confusing topic. - Not by your own admission of course, as most of what you've written is considered common by currrent standards for a great deal of people. Nevertheless, I think it's worth addressing some of the information in hopes that it will help others make better sense of things:
1a. you DON'T make the same stuff as is sold by Marketers!
1b. The "CS" bought from health shops, or anyone else who sell it comes in a bottle, is produced NOT BY LVDC.
1c. There is a difference between what you make in your home and what you bought in a bottle from a Marketer or a shop.
Beyond that of the HVAC products, most all of the ionic solutions on the market today are made using an electrolysis process(LVDC). And while many if not most of these undergo numerous QC measures such as filtration etc, it remains that they are all made using the very same basic principal.
PS. I'd also add that many of these alleged ionic silver sellers(atomic, monatomic, cellular etc) will often mislabel their products in an effort to stand-out or gain a competitive edge in the market.
2a. That so called "CS" solution WILL NOT BE PRODUCED IN THE HOME KITCHEN USING LVDC GENERATORS!
2b. ...the truth is YOU CAN'T MAKE COLLOIDAL SILVER with the LVDC electrolysis home generators!
Contrary to popular belief, It's actually quite easy to push LVDC solutions toward the elemental side to satisfy colloidal definitions. Of which, to my knowledge can be accomplished by reduction(ion to elemental pariculate) either; chemically(additive), or by mechanical means /motion(vortex) so as to effectuate reduction at the cathode boundary layer(H).
3. The home generator ... will produce an Ionic solution by ratio, which contains silver atoms MINUS one Electron, hence the silver atom will be reduced to Ions and become Positively Electrically Charged when one electron is lost from the atom by electrolysis. Any smaller than an Ion and the Silver will cease to exist as silver.
Not to nit-pick but, the term reduced to ion ... may likely lead to confusion in this particular case as the ions created by electrolysis fall under a process called interchange. Whereas reduction(reduced) is a chemical reaction which normally involves the gaining of electrons through redux(or oxidation).
That said, I think it's important to distinguish such things when making use of chemistry terms such as this could easily result in confusion.
4. ...Those "particles" are Ions surrounded by water, and each Ion adheres to other Ions by Attraction and Repulsion, called a 'cluster', but EACH of those Ions IN that 'cluster' are surrounded by water forming that 'cluster' of Ions, like a bunch of grapes for simplicity sake, with each grape surrounded by water, hence people think they have Metallic particles, but they don't. Those 'clusters' will break up when enter the body. Again, study up!
As it turns out silver ions are highly unstable/volatile and have a very short life past the point of creation. That said, I'd also add that since silver ions are theoretically water soluble whether they are clustered or not, and are unlikely to impact a silver solution in any conventional way.
That said, the predominant silver compounds produced with common room temp LVDC processes today (typ. CS generator) is that of Silver oxide. Which in itself, is a semi-aqueous compound posessing with an ionic potential(exchange). Therefore, it is based on this that we conclude most homemade solutions exhibit a tyndall and changes that are in accordance with plasmon resonance.
5. Why the hell do you know the FDA, and other Nations Regulators, have never mentioned the home made product in their BS blurbs, because they are NOT quoting the home made stuff, they are quoting the "CS" product or the Colloidal Silver product, because they have nothing to report from the home made stuff, i.e. the Ionic Silver Solution!
What's interesting about this is where the FDA's response to Colloidal Silver solutions were prompted by what is now known as Silver protein and /or higher concentrates such those based on Silver chloride, that were linked to the development of Argyria. Having said that, I'd also add that the FDA doesn't appear to have taken the initiative to destinguish between these various of Silver solutions in their efforts to regulate product distribution under the recognized medical system.
6. This is why many people don't have a clue about the difference between "Colloidal Silver" and the "Predominantly Ionic" product as made in your kitchen!
As you can see, the body of information associated with the production of Colloidal Silver is can be very hit and miss based on internet sources. To which I'd add, I'm not inclined to call the result of misleading sources as much as it is one of desperation due to the lack of verified research in the field. And perhaps more importantly, where incomplete observations and experiences are often used to fill-in the blanks.
PS. Based on what you've written, I'd suggest searching up some electro chemistry material, particularely those pertaining to the water /electrolysis chemistry workshops as they cover many of the principals used in colloidal silver and will often times help gain a better understanding of the basic chemistry involded in the production of colloidal silver at home.
- hope this helps
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