"btw This is not so much directed at you Lapis, as just a response
that any can read..."
Not sure if you meant Charles there? (it was my statement you were quoting) :)
I would agree 'natural laws', go beyond just the shaping of 'human' consciousness. I believe they are shaped by a combination of ourselves as higher selves and human consciousness in such a way as to allow the creator (ourselves) to know itself in a certain way.
The 'suffering' being largely a result of the confusion in regards to the law of free-will, and the law of one. An important aspect of over-coming suffering, would be to ultimately see it as self-created. For all is self-created as all are one with the creator.
I dont know if you had read some stuff Ive been posting in the Spirituality Forum lately, but meditiation is something Im attempting to do in a more effective way nowadays, so I thank you for the movie recomendation I will check it out!