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  Feeling of pressure or fullness under right rib ca...   Angie   22 y  183,242
  
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  I am somewhat familiar with all that is discussed here. I had my gallbladder removed about ten years ago when I was only 20 before I knew all of this information presented here. About five months ago I did a liver cleanse/flush anyway, because the info presented here said that if I had Gallstones before, I likely have them in my liver now. I considered my flush to be quite successful, and yes there were plenty of stones that came out----so I guess they were in my liver, cause where else could they have been? I did the parasite cleanse prior to my flush and also fasted for few days and did the Lemonade Diet to prepare for the flush. Lately I have been noticing a full feeling under my rib cage on the right side. Feels like something pushing up under there especially when I am sitting done and my abdomen is kind of crunched up. When I sleep on my stomach and bring my right knee up I can feel added pressure too. I suppose I should go to the doctor, but I was wondering if these symtoms could mean I should do another flush. I do not notice indegestion and I would not say the sensation is painful, just a nuisance and noticeable enough to make me wonder what the heck it is. Thanks for any input.

   
  

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  • I bet if you do another liver flush, that pressure...   Southern Belle   22 y  159,116
    
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    I bet if you do another liver flush, that pressure will go away.

    I bet if you do another liver flush, that pressure will go away.

     
    

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    • OK, I will try another cleanse. IF anyone else ha...   Angie   22 y  155,592
      
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      OK, I will try another cleanse. IF anyone else has read my post, please let me know what you think.

      OK, I will try another cleanse. IF anyone else has read my post, please let me know what you think.

       
      

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  • Yes, it sounds you need more then one flush. I ...   Espen   22 y  161,408
    
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    Yes, it sounds you need more then one flush. I would suggest you to repeat flush until no stones come out. That is 5 - 10 times. 1 flush is NEVER enough to cleanse liver, but it is often enou...

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    Yes, it sounds you need more then one flush.
    
    I would suggest you to repeat flush until no stones come out. That is 5 - 10 times.
    
    1 flush is NEVER enough to cleanse liver, but it is often enough to make new symptoms surface.
    
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    • If I were to go to the doctor, would an ultrasound...   Angie   22 y  154,953
      
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      If I were to go to the doctor, would an ultrasound or some other test show that I have stones in my liver? Do their tests indicate stuff like that?(since I have no gallbladder anymore) I am just won...

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      If I were to go to the doctor, would an ultrasound or some other test show that I have stones in my liver? Do their tests indicate stuff like that?(since I have no gallbladder anymore) I am just wondering what my doctor might actually diagnose me with at this time based on conventional techniques. Any ideas?
      
      I will do the cleanse in a few weeks, because I assume I have to do the parasite cleanse again (did it with Clarkia last time). So you think I just have a stone--many stones backed up in my liver? Sounds dangerous...
      
      

       
      

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      • Hey Angie, I have just completed my 5th liver cle...   R Charles   22 y  155,486
        
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        Hey Angie, I have just completed my 5th liver cleanse since about the 1st of June. I have been doing it every two weeks. I have had no major pain but a couple of light attacks since the first clean...

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        Hey Angie,
        I have just completed my 5th liver cleanse since about the 1st of June. I have been doing it every two weeks. I have had no major pain but a couple of light attacks since the first cleanse. Before that a surgeon told me there was no way but surgery to get rid of the pain and problem. Since the first cleanse, I have probably gotten somewhere near 1500 to 2000 stones anywhere from an inch and a half to BB sized stones. Today so far only very small stones between 75 and 100 have come out. I feel much better and my overall health is better as well. I may go back to the doctor for another sonogram after I produce no stones. I don't think they can see them in the liver because they are usually not harden from what I have read. I would keep cleansing until nothing els shows up the see how you feel.
        
        I have been encouraged by this and will look into othere areas of my health to see if I can't make a difference naturally rather than being cut on or taking more drugs that cause many other problems. I think a lot of my Family Doctor, but I will listen to him then seek other information because he is at best always treating the symptoms and not the problem. That is easier and with the drugs used, I don't know what they will do long term to my health.
        
        Good luck with you decission but I haven't had any problem except for the bad taste.
        God bless you,
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    • I have this same pressure. They did a CT Scan and ...   #164401   22 y  155,168
      
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      I have this same pressure. They did a CT Scan and thought they saw a mass on liver--did a MRI and said they were cysts--could this be stones in liver? Could my gallbladder be the cause of all this ...

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      I have this same pressure. They did a CT Scan and thought they saw a mass on liver--did a MRI and said they were cysts--could this be stones in liver? Could my gallbladder be the cause of all this discomfort? I am asking for a gallstone test/can the flush help me? What do you suggest?
      It appears to get worse when I eat solid food.

       
      

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  • the second liver flush i had done left me pretty w...   #3007   22 y  158,388
    
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    the second liver flush i had done left me pretty well backed up , it did not produce any stones , and i was bloated until friday ( on friday i had planned to do a liver flush that night , but i had ...

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    the second Liver Flush i had done left me pretty well backed up , it did not produce any stones , and i was bloated until friday ( on friday i had planned to do a Liver Flush that night , but i had eaten after 2:00 so I decided to wait one more day )
    In stead on friday i decided to go ahead and mix up epsome salt and grapefruit,, the same amount you would prepare for the cleanse. i drank one cup of the mixture and laid down on my right side . About 30 minutes later i felt a couple of little squeezes right under my right rib, ( as though they were just popping out ploop , ploop .
    now the pressue went completely away but i still had retained quite abit of water over the week. i felt better
    
    the next evening i did the comlete Liver Flush , now here i am expecting stones out the wazzoo ,,, but instead all i got was a lot of very white crystalized chaff ( let me say there was A l o t .. so i know i am getting much much closer to nailing this flush on the head. it actually takes practice ,,, and i can say everyones body is a bit different ( i must have some monsterous stones in there because i havent seen any yet ) except after my first flush ,,, the next couple of days i do believe i passed one large green stone , it was the size of a big gum ball , ( like someone else had described ) i thought it could have been mucoid plaque but after reading here im leaning toward one larg stone.
    
    so i think they are in there just gotta get them out
    

     
    

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    • I don’t know much but I’ve been going through some...   YeaUltimateHealth   8 y  37,098
      
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      I don’t know much but I’ve been going through some of these things and (parasites)…yuk ! I really started out just to do a wonderful thing like coffee enemas to do a liver cleanse…. heard it was ....

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      I don't know much but I've been going through some of these things and (parasites)…yuk ! I really started out just to do a wonderful thing like coffee enemas to do a liver cleanse…. heard it was wonderful for detoxing the liver - good for the body !
      I really began to rid my body of some stuff, and kept doing them. Then, it occurred to me if there could possibly be some parasites…so I began to look into the bowl, and shine a light. Yikes! movement in the center of the bowl…
      UP until that time, I really had just laid on my right side because they say to detox the liver, you lay on your right side. Then, I decided to lay on my left side…. shortly after that, I would begin to feel some 'movement' across my middle.
      'They' say that a Tapeworm will try to stay up and under your right side, kind of up and under your right rib? AND, that the worm will dig in and cover up it's head with all that colon junk and 'they' say that in the enema flushes you can begin to see sluffing off of the worm, which could be some of that fluffy stuff???
      I've found, it is definitely there.
      I've tried so many things, but now I think I'm headed for the castor oil… (oh, how I hate that stuff- my Mom used to give it to us about once a year…) but, I'm wondering if I can freeze it and swallow it, instead of drinking it… and chase it with something warm.

       
      

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  • Yes Angie, it takes several flushes to get them al...   #165175   22 y  154,360
    
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    Yes Angie, it takes several flushes to get them all out. Some folks do one every two weeks and others (like me) wait a little longer. My wife and I just did flush # 1 and will do a flush every mon...

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    Yes Angie, it takes several flushes to get them all out. Some folks do one every two weeks and others (like me) wait a little longer. My wife and I just did flush # 1 and will do a flush every month until two or three flushes produce no stones.
    
    If you've already done the parasite cleanse you might be able to get away with a maintenence or high dose and zap the week prior. And of course a Bowel Cleanse the week before will help too, and maybe even a coffee enema the day of the flush.
    
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    • Thanks for all your comments. I have to admit that...   Angie   22 y  154,036
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  Coke Solution   #162510   22 y  22,081
  
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  My holistic doctor suggested drinking a 6 pack of Coca-Cola as a solution to "dissolving" gallstones?
  
  Anyone ever heard of that? Better yet, anyone tried it?
  
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  • Most national brand colas contain phosphoric acid,...   John Cullison   22 y  21,617
    
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    Most national brand colas contain phosphoric acid, which is known for dissolving calcium, among other interesting properties. While this would mean dissolving calcium-based gall stones out of your ...

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    Most national brand colas contain phosphoric acid, which is known for dissolving calcium, among other interesting properties. While this would mean dissolving calcium-based gall stones out of your gall bladder, assuming the phosphoric acid made its way into your gall bladder, it also has an interesting property of leeching calcium out of bones, too.
    
    You'll find info on using phosphoric (and orthophosphoric, and malic) acid(s) in the Liver Flush section of this site.
    
    

     
    

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  • My naturopath doctor told me to give up cokes beca...   Anne   22 y  21,357
    
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    My naturopath doctor told me to give up cokes because I have gallstones. He has me on peppermint oil capsules, lecithin and cod liver oil to dissolve my gallstones. I’ve never read where drinking ...

    My naturopath doctor told me to give up cokes because I have gallstones. He has me on peppermint oil capsules, lecithin and cod liver oil to dissolve my gallstones. I've never read where drinking cokes would dissolve gallstones.

     
    

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    • Phosphoric acid helps to dissolve gallstones and C...   UserX   22 y  21,313
      
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      Phosphoric acid helps to dissolve gallstones and Classic Coke contains phosphoric acid. But there are much healthier ways of getting it...you can purchase ortho-phosphoric acid as a supplement whic...

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      Phosphoric acid helps to dissolve Gallstones and Classic Coke contains phosphoric acid. But there are much healthier ways of getting it...you can purchase ortho-phosphoric acid as a supplement which doesn't have the sugar, aspartane, carbonation, artificial this and that which is found in Coke.

       
      

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      • I went to a medical doctor who is also a holistic ...   #161618   22 y  21,123
        
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        I went to a medical doctor who is also a holistic doctor who told me to drink Classic Coke with the Olive Oil to keep it down and to help with the liver cleanse. I tried it and for the first time t...

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        I went to a medical doctor who is also a holistic doctor who told me to drink Classic Coke with the Olive-Oil to keep it down and to help with the liver cleanse. I tried it and for the first time the Olive oil did not make me throw up. It also made drinking it easier.

         
        

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        • Hi Adj, I tried the ”Classic Coke” flush last nig...   farmgirl   21 y  21,546
          
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          Hi Adj, I tried the ”Classic Coke” flush last night - first flush ever. I found that the taste didn’t bother me at all so maybe the Coke does help with that. The flush was successful and I eli...

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          Hi Adj, I tried the "Classic Coke" flush last night - first flush ever. I found that the taste didn't bother me at all so maybe the Coke does help with that.
          
          The flush was successful and I eliminated many waxy green "gemstone"-like pebbles and "rocks" in the morning. (I wondered how effective it would be to flush without Epsom Salt since I thought the salts dilated the ducts but I had no problems with pain or blockage.)
          
          I imagine since we used to used to use Coke to clean our car battery the acid in it is probably pretty strong! You can clean silver by soaking it in Coke too. God only knows what it does to the rest of you - never mind the gallstones! :)
          

           
          

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          • How do you do the coke a cola flush?? ©†ƒ……•™¼‡_...   #18112   20 y  20,835
            
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  • Re: Coca Cola Classic-gall stones   healingtime   17 y  21,838
    
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    Hello, you are all going to hate what I am about to say: I know that everyone will just bombard me with replies regarding how stupid it is to drink coca cola for gall stones... However...that is the only thing that STOPS my gall bladder attacks. I have tried everything. I had searched the web and found a site that said to drink a whole six pack of cokes - 20 minutes apart for each can. I was in such horrible pain, that I decided to try it. I opened the first can of classic coke and drank it down as quickly as I could, thinking that I would have to drink 6 cans of this within 20 minutes. I never drank more than one can...it immediately stopped my pain - BEFORE I finished the 1st can. Since it worked so well, I am now drinking 1 can with lunch, and 1 can with dinner. It has been about 8 months, and no more gall bladder attacks. Before I discovered drinking coke, I was having at least one attack every week to 2 weeks. This is so much better now! Granted, I am taking tons of supplements to try to counteract any problems with the coke chemicals. I know you are all going to blast me on this, BUT...it is working...at least for me. Now it is possible, that I have more wrong than gall stones. It is possible that I have some kind of blockage in my intestines...called "splenic flexure syndrom" and that the carbonation of the coke is helping that. But I DEFIANTELY know that I have gall stones too, because I can feel them when they pass. Anyway, it works for me...guess we all have to find what works for us. No one can be here and go through the pain I have for the last 7 years...I don't want to have my gall bladder removed...that would be worse from what I have read and heard. Besides really strong and balanced vitamins and other supplements, I am also taking extra calcium, and I eat that new yogart called "Activia" EVERY DAY... I also take Milk Thistle caps every day to keep my liver healthy. I FEEL GREAT...

     
    

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    • I have done the classic flush and tried milk thist...   #121226   15 y  22,666
      
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      I have done the classic flush and tried milk thistle in the past, but sometimes my body tells me it is time for a borscht cleanse. so i cook up a gallon of borscht (with sauerkraut if i want t ....

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      I have done the classic flush and tried milk thistle in the past, but sometimes my body tells me it is time for a borscht cleanse.
      
      so i cook up a gallon of borscht (with sauerkraut if i want toxic farts but a deeper cleanse) and eat it for two days straight. not so many stones, but i do fell cleaner, healthier and i get my colour back from that weird paleness that creeps up on me. i do use sour cream, but a few tablespoons is not gonig tostop the Liver Cleansing effects.
      
      this time i am using borscht with a kilo of beets and two red potatoes. yesterday i had two litres of it and today instead of more coffee i drank a litre of coke and gave myself 2x warm water enemas. i can really feel it working.
      1st AM bm was normal, after 1st enema was mostly water, and now i am at the mucousy sludge stage.
      
      i also made some deadsea and Epsom Salt bath salts with baking soda, Ginger, sandalwood and Orange essential oils, and the Buttne that i was suffering from for months is almost completely gone.
      
      I am feeling lighter but a bit headachy, i am pinker and my under eye bruises are starting to fade.
      
      today i will finish the remaining borscht, and the second litre of coke classic, have bath with the detox bath salts and drink about 3 litres of water. and maybe i will eat a salad.
      
      I mention this all because i found the orignal flush very hard on my system, and as a recent ultrasound has confirmed, my gall bladder and liver do not show any stones or other issues.
      
      I just want to give myself a bit of a clean without going to full-tilt.
      
      
      

       
      

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      You can get the same result in a matter of minutes by drinking a good quality apple juice.

      You can get the same result in a matter of minutes by drinking a good quality apple juice.

       
      

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  hemangioma of the liver (very large)   Annie   22 y  39,767  † C †
  
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  After 2 CT scans and MRI my dr. confirmed that I have a very large hemangioma on my liver, with several smaller spots.
  
  My questions are:
  1. Where on earth did this come from?
  2. What do I do to treat it? And will Milk Thistle help?
  3. My ex-husband has Hep-C, could this be from him?
  4. Was this something that I was born with?
  4. What are the dangers and does drinking (not excessively) affect?
  
  My mind is racing a million miles knowing that I have this "thing" on my liver.
  
  Thanks for your prompt response.
  

   
  

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  • I am far from an expert on this but any drinki...   Angela   22 y  37,668
    
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    I am far from an expert on this but any drinking is not good for the liver. Stop drinking and take care of yourself...a

    
    
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      Hi: I was just told this is what was on my liver. they did a CTScan and sacred me stiff. Thedy did MRI and found this and the report said the same as yours-very large. What exactly is this and ...

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      I was just told this is what was on my liver. they did a CTScan and sacred me stiff. Thedy did MRI and found this and the report said the same as yours-very large. What exactly is this and how is it treated. Did the flush help you? Please email me a peschew@aol.com for any details or specifics. I never dranked alcohol and can not figure out why I have this. Did you experience alot of pain from this? What did Dr. order for treatment?

       
      

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  • About eight years ago I also was diagnosed with a ...   Patty   21 y  38,214
    
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    About eight years ago I also was diagnosed with a very large hemangioma of the liver. After many tests and finally determining that it was not cancer, my doctor told me I was "probably born with it". I haven't had any problems with it, but have my liver enzymes checked every year to be sure there isn't anything out of order. My doctor told me to never allow anyone to take a biopsy of my liver or I would bleed to death - grim thought . . . also, don't take any sharp jabs to the liver area or it could rupture, cause internal bleeding and ultimate death - there's that word again. Needless to say I've learned to live with it, but had to give up kick-boxing. :)

     
    

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      I have been diagnosed with liver hemangiomas - there are 2 of them and they are not that large. They were discovered when I was having an ultrasound of my kidney - to check my cyst that I’ve had f ....

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      I have been diagnosed with liver hemangiomas - there are 2 of them and they are not that large. They were discovered when I was having an ultrasound of my kidney - to check my cyst that I've had for years. Tomorrow, I'm going for a liver scan and the week after that, I'm having a red blood cell scan. These tests are terrifying me - I don't know what to expect - I've never had a nuclear scan before. I don't have any pain and probably would never have known I had hemangiomas if they had just done the ultrasound on the kidneys alone.

       
      

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    • I just got back from the doctor’s where he evaluat...   donna   21 y  37,864
      
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      I just got back from the doctor's where he evaluated and gave me the results of my CT scan. He says that I have a hemangioma the size of a grapefruit in my liver and the size of a cantalope in my pelvic area. He said its probably been there for at least a decade. From what he told me and what you write it seems that this is going to be something I have to learn to live with!? Have you been told anything about shrinking it? I'm suppose to meet with a surgeon in a month or so, any thoughts, questions, or suggestions of how i should respond. Have you gone this route? Any knowledge you can pass on is appreciated.

       
      

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        I just got back from the doctor's where he evaluated and gave me the results of my CT scan. He says that I have a hemangioma the size of a grapefruit in my liver and the size of a cantalope in my pelvic area. He said its probably been there for at least a decade. From what he told me and what you write it seems that this is going to be something I have to learn to live with!? Have you been told anything about shrinking it? I'm suppose to meet with a surgeon in a month or so, any thoughts, questions, or suggestions of how i should respond. Have you gone this route? Any knowledge you can pass on is appreciated.

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        Hi Donna, I was diagnosed last week with cavernous hemangioma of the liver. It is giant and the doc said he is never seen one like this. Did you find any cure since you have been posted your ....

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        I was diagnosed last week with cavernous hemangioma of the liver. It is giant and the doc said he is never seen one like this. Did you find any cure since you have been posted your message in the forum?
        
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      I was diagnosed last week with cavernous hemangioma of the liver. It is giant and the doc said he is never seen one like this. Did you find any cure since you have been posted your message in the forum?
      
      Thank you.
      
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  3rd Flush - Why so tired the day after?   Flush Gordon   22 y  8,923
  
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  I have just done my third flush in a year, using the Epsom Salts - tumbler of grapefruit juice + 2 tbl spoons of olive oil + a little water routine. This time I found it impossible to consume more than two-thirds of what I had managed previously, and the next morning I had a splitting headache and felt wiped out (and a bit depressed) for the rest of the day. In terms of results: I believe there were the same amount of stones etc. and I feel fine on day two, but I really would like to know if it could be made easier next time. Is there any preparation to the flush that would reduce the mid-flush nausea or the day after tiredness?
  If someone could explain this particular reaction I would be really grateful.

   
  

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  • Take enema in the evening - before oil (8pm) and i...   Espen   22 y  9,076
    
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    Take enema in the evening - before oil (8pm) and in the morning (8am), and decrease the amount of epsom salt that you drink. Take the one half of the full dose in the evening, and the one half of th...

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    Take enema in the evening - before oil (8pm) and in the morning (8am), and decrease the amount of Epsom Salt that you drink. Take the one half of the full dose in the evening, and the one half of the full dose in the morning.
    
    Enema will help wash all toxins, and you will feel 10 times better. Not all people tolerate Epsom Salts well.
    
    You can also try to get some other brand of epsom salt. One you are using could be polluted. You can also try to get some other brand of olive oil. One you are using could be polluted.
    
    Try making changes ... you will find what workes best for you.
    
    Most problems are caused by toxic bowel ... so enema is highly advisable, in case of any headache,nausea or tiredness.
    Also, do coffe enema occasionally, between flushes ... it will be a gradual liver cleanse and also a bowel cleanup.
    
    And, watch your diet for foods that kill ... the more of those foods you can eliminate ... the better you will be ....
    
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  • Taking hydrochloric acid before going to bed can h...   UserX   22 y  8,740
    
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    Taking hydrochloric acid before going to bed can help some who experience nausea during liver flushes, as can a hot water bottle over the liver, or sipping peppermint tea. Have you done a colon c...

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    Taking hydrochloric acid before going to bed can help some who experience nausea during liver flushes, as can a hot water bottle over the liver, or sipping peppermint tea.
    
    Have you done a Colon Cleanse prior to liver flushes, and do you have regular bowel movements daily...at least 1, preferably 2-3)? If the colon is congested with toxic debris, the toxins released during Liver Flushing can be reabsorbed in the bowel and enter your blood, circulating through your body. This can cause fatigue and a general ill-feeling following a liver flush. The epson salts and water clears the recent waste from the colon, but does not get rid of the old, post-putrefactive material. It is important to do a colon and parasite cleanse prior to liver flush.
    
    Also make sure that you are drinking plenty of water. In general, you should consume half your body weight in water daily...and even more when you are doing any cleansing program. Feeling tired is a common sign of dehydration. You may also need to replace eletrolytes that are lost when using the epson salts and water.

     
    

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      ”Also make sure that you are drinking plenty of water. In general, you should consume half your body weight in water daily” This cannot be right! I weight 70kg; trying to consume 35kg (= 35 litre...

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      "Also make sure that you are drinking plenty of water. In general, you should consume half your body weight in water daily"
      
      This cannot be right! I weight 70kg; trying to consume 35kg (= 35 litres) of water a day would be very dangerous..
      

       
      

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      • CORRECTION AND NEED FOR CALCULATION   UserX   22 y  8,482
        
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        CORRECTION AND NEED FOR CALCULATION

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        BB,
        
        Sorry for the confusion...it should read 'half your body weight IN ounces in water daily'. As with most silly Americans, I am not sure how to convert this to a metric scale ;). However many pounds 35kg equals...that's the number of ounces of water you should drink daily (ex. a 150lb. person would drink 75oz. of water daily).
        
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  • Re: 3rd Flush - Why so tired the day after?   #210290   8 y  4,119
    
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    Yes. I agree with what has been said here. You really, really need to cleanse the bowels of parasites and toxins before doing the liver cleanse. Six days before the cleanse drink lots of Apple cider with water plus lemon to softer the stones. Take a mild herbal liver cleanse during this time. Then after the flush it is important to rehydrate with lots of water and a healthy salt (like Hymalyan) 1/4 tsp in water plus lime juice 3x per day for averse days. You are dehydrated!

     
    

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      You may also want to take Triphala to help the bowels cleanse after the liver flush. The liver dumps a lot into the colon and some of it gets stuck there. Can make you very sick.

      You may also want to take Triphala to help the bowels cleanse after the liver flush. The liver dumps a lot into the colon and some of it gets stuck there. Can make you very sick.

       
      

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  How I passed 1/4 Cup of gallstones (including a 2 ...   R #164095   22 y  25,787
  
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  Before I go into my story, I must thank Curezone.com. The people who put this site together are angels sent from heaven.
  
  For about a year or two I had been suffering from some excruciatingly painful gallstone attacks but didn't know what was going on. At first, I unsuccessfully tried to medicate myself with Tums, and Pepcid AC. When that didn't work, I told my doctor that I had intense pain and I thought it might have been acid indigestion because it occured in what I thought was my upper stomach area after eating and would keep me up all night in agony. My doctor told me to take 2 Pepcid AC and Mylanta (which of course didn't work because I wasn't having a problem with acid indigestion). When I told her that the Pepcid AC didn't work, she gave me a prescription for some sort of super strong acid indigestion medicine. Although she sent me in for blood testing to see if I had ulcers, she never thought to send me in for for an ultra sound to diagnose me for gallstones.
  
  In early March of this year I had another all night gallstone attack and when her prescription strength acid indigestion medicine didn't work, I took myself to the emergency room because I was getting pissed off with my doctor's inability to provide a diagnosis. The emergency room did an ultra sound on me and quickly diagnosed me with gallstones. They said that I had a 2 cm gallstone and said that I would need to have surgery to have it removed. Despite the fact that they said I needed surgery, I was thrilled because at least I had a proper diagnosis!
  
  When I went to see a surgeon, she recommended that I remove my entire gall bladder because she said that the stone was too large to dissolve and she said that people don't just remove the Gallstones anymore because they're concerned about Gallstones getting caught in the cystic or common bile duct. I was concerned about cutting out an organ which I figured that God had put there for a reason. She saw the look of concern on my face and said that she didn't want me to have the surgery if I wasn't comfortable in doing it. To the best of my recollection, she also said that she figured I'd be back when the Gallstones started bothering me enough.
  
  It looks like I won't have to see that surgeon again. :o) On Saturday, August 31, 2002, I passed a 2 cm gallstone, a few 1 cm gallstones, and about 1/4 cup of gallstones ranging in size between the size of grape nuts and the size of peas.
  
  I did it by fasting on fresh organic apple juice combined with a stone dissolve tea that I got from www.westernbotanicals.com. Although I don't believe that the tea did much to dissolve my 2 cm gallstone, I'm sure it helped. I fasted on only apple juice and water between Wednesday and noon on Friday. After noon on Friday, I only drank distilled water.
  
  At about 6:30 pm on Friday night, I stopped drinking water. At 8:30 pm, I started to drink 2 cups of organic cold pressed olive oil and 1 cup of fresh squeezed organic lemon juice. I did this slowly by swallowing 4 tablespoons of olive oil followed by two tablespoons of lemon juice every 15 minutes or as often as I could stomach it without vomiting. I watched movies as I did this and lied down on my right side. I went to sleep when I was tired.
  
  I did my best to detox and cleanse my colon prior to beginning my gallstone cleanse. With exception of the fact that I used castor oil packs for about a month before my cleanse and also used a stone dissolve tea, I basically followed a variation of the curezone.com gallstone recipie "Are you 'Stoned'?" My variation was that I added stone dissolve tea to the apple juice and used chopsticks instead of a paint stick & index card fish the gallstones out. I am so excited that it worked! I must confess that I was a little nervous because what my surgeon had said about gallstones getting caught in the duct after surgery. But when I had read that gallstones the size of chicken eggs had been passed with this method, I figured that it wouldn't hurt to try. I WILL NEVER HAVE ANOTHER GALLBLADDER ATTACK AGAIN!
  
  The gallstones were mostly dark jade green in color. I put them in a mason jar to show off to my doctor friend who laughed at the idea of my doing this cleanse. Most of the stones were about the size of grape nuts. Some were clumped together. Some were shaped like corn, some were shaped like peas. I did not experience pain (except the discomfort of feeling hungry while fasting and some mild nausea from drinking the olive oil). Most of them came out with my first visit to the toilet and I confess that I was concerned because I couldn't find any 2 cm gallstones but when that one passed as well, I was thrilled!
  
  When I was tempted to eat, I asked myself, what's worse: going a little hungry for a few days, (which can be resolved by drinking massive quantities of water) or the excruciating pain of a gallstone attack that keeps me up all night in agony and/or the possibility of having my gallbladder removed which apparently according to my doctor would have caused me the sensation of having a nonstop gallbladder attacks for one to two weeks in addition to the apparent complications which can arise from surgery?
  
  I'm also pleased that I lost about 15 pounds as a result of doing the cleanse. But I think that that's just a pleasant side effect of the fasting. I am mostly just
  
  Thank you again to curezone.com. You are my favorite web site.
  
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  • Wow, Julia, that is wonderful! Just wonderful!   #166495   22 y  24,388
    
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    Wow, Julia, that is wonderful! Just wonderful!

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    I don't know how big a centimeter is but it must be pretty big to have a 2Cent. stone.
    
    Is 2 Centimeters about 3/4 of an inch?
    
    I too had great luck on my cleanse last night.
    One about the size of my thumbnail came out along with many many tiny green ones. The reast were pea sized.
    
    According to Andreas Moritz author of The Amazing Liver Cleanse you will probably need to keep doing the liver cleanse every two to three weeks UNTIL you get all the stones out of your liver. I think that after you get them out of your gall bladder the ones in the liver move foreward to be removed.
    
    I drank almost two cups of olive oil too but 1/4 cup at a time with 2 tablespoons of lemon juice at 15 minute intervals each time. The olive oil was horrid. After I drank it and lay down I threw up just horrible but kept most of it down.
    
    I think I will try Hulda Clark s next time as she does not require as much oil (only 1/2 cup).
    
    Some here have used non olive oils. I wonder which ones work better than others?
    
    Again, thanks for your wonderful post and great courage to do what you had to do. Of course it is all be God's grace.
    
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      Dear Tony,
      
      I use the coke liver/gall bladder flush. The reason I chose this and have used it three times is that is just seems
      more palatable to me. I gag at the thought of some of the others I've seen.
      
      The receipe is: At bedtime take 6 oz. of olive oil
      2 Tablespoons of lemon juice
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      The next morning take one 10 ounce bottle of Citrate of Magnesium
      
      Thats it..I take the olive oil first as I don't care much for it.. next the lemon and then I sit down and sip the coke
      slowly. Like I am savoring it and getting that olive oil taste out of my mouth. I had great results with the first two
      flushes and the third was scant, but maybe I'm running out of stones. Doubt that, but maybe. I also didn't follow
      directions well, I drank more coke than I should have. On the second flush I passed two stones almost the size
      of golf balls. I feel great and will continue on with this receipe. Also it calls for you to drink 4 oz. of apple juice
      first thing in the morning to help with the nauseau and headache, I never did that as I never was ill after, I felt
      like a million dollars. Anytime a receipe gets too complicated or ridget I back off. When it is said to lie on this
      side or that side and on and on.. I just pass over that and do what is easy. I am a very busy person with a
      business to run and am involved in many civic organizations, also my church and I don't have time for fussy
      things. But everyone is different, so it is good we have choices. I have to laugh about this also..some recipes
      will say what time to take these, I just groan....like I'm not going to bed at 10:00 P.M. and no one is going to
      make me. I like the at bedtime directions, and for me that could be 2:30 A.M.
      
      So to you, I say God Bless and hope this is an option for you. Angela

       
      

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      • Can you use decafeinated and sugar free coke? M...   #166495   22 y  23,976
        
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        Can you use decafeinated and sugar free coke? Man if I had a Coke at night I would never get to sleep!

        Can you use decafeinated and Sugar free coke?
        
        Man if I had a Coke at night I would never get to sleep!

         
        

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        • When was your last ultrasound: before and after th...   #163268   22 y  24,044
          
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          When was your last ultrasound: before and after the flush. Did the before one show stanes? Did the after one show no stones?

          When was your last ultrasound: before and after the flush.
          
          Did the before one show stanes?
          
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          • I don’t know if my doctor would be willing to do a...   Julia   22 y  24,432
            
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            I don't know if my doctor would be willing to do another ultrasound. When I did the recipie, I followed the directions regarding saving them in a mason jar (so I can show off to my doctor friends). I wonder if they'd be willing to get them analyzed.
            
            I also don't know if I can handle doing a gallstone cleanse EVERY 2 WEEKS. Yuck! I did a lot of prep work for the one I did. Castor oil packs, colon detox, colon cleanse, three days of fasting. It's a bit exhausting.
            
            I'm just happy that the 2 cm stone is gone. 2 cm is about an inch in size.
            
            Thank you for your support.
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  • Re: How I passed 1/4 Cup of gallstones (including ...   dgrant0718   8 y  13,893
    
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    Has anyone tried the Gallstone cleanse? I mean successfully removed stones and verified by a doctor?

     
    

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  Liver Flush   R Lily   22 y  5,155
  
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  I am so ecstatic over the results and benefits i've had from Dr. Clark's liver/gallbladder flush....i'm doing my second one now!!! I feel 20 years younger!!! So much energy and so euphoric feeling!!!
  
  I've read where the flush is also beneficial for those who've had their gallbaldder's removed...can anyone vouch for this?
  
  Also, has anyone done the flush who had no gallstone symptoms but had amazing results from the flush as a prevention measure???

   
  

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  • Hi :) I did my second liver flush last weekend...   h2olover   12 y  3,057
    
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    Hi :)
    
    I did my second Liver Flush last weekend and I felt like a child does during Christmas. After 2 days the happiness diminished. I'm wondering, does that happiness stick after you do a bunch of cleanses or is it just a temporary post-cleanse euphoria?

     
    

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    • I would say what your experiencing is the possible...   Renee1979   10 y  2,073
      
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      I would say what your experiencing is the possible combined effect of having a successful flush, & having debris cleaned away from the bowel so that more happiness hormones can be absorbed back in ....

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      I would say what your experiencing is the possible combined effect of having a successful flush, & having debris cleaned away from the bowel so that more happiness hormones can be absorbed back into the body... After your bowle is nice & clean you will feel this more often then not, but because the little fellas living there get exhausted from all the flushing, you also experience negative symptoms that can take a few days to replenish themselves or come back.

       
      

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  ..(Soap Stones) or gallstones????   #166570   22 y  10,580
  
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  ..After reading a artical saying,we are only passing soap stones,what does everyone think,are they Gallstones or not???they made a statement that many had been analized and were not gallstones,but were soapstones what ever that is,,TRUE OR FALSE YOU TELL ME...

   
  

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  • My testimony   RR Educational John Cullison   22 y  10,522
    
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    When I started having gall bladder attacks, I passed large stones. Big ones. I saw what they looked like. I was not doing flushes at the time. I didn't consume olive oil. I didn't consume Epsom salt. It hurt like nothing I'd ever experienced. But I *did* pass the gall stones, and I found them in my excrement. They scracthed on the way out.
    
    When I started doing liver flushes, I initially didn't get any large stones. My first two flushes resulted in smaller, tan, Tic-Tac-sized stones, plus green, waxy "bile balls", plus "chaffe".
    
    My third Liver Flush produced green balls plus bona fide gall stones, just like the ones I had passed, with much pain, a year earlier.
    
    Now, I don't know what the green balls are. I don't know what the smaller, Tic-Tac-sized stones are (they are hard). But I know darn well what the gall stones I passed were, both last year and this year, and I know that the gall stones that I passed this year were done painlessly, during the flush.
    
    I have consumed a lot of fat, both animal and vegetable, in my life time. I have been on programs which required me to consume tablespoonfuls of oil at a time, which I would help get down by consuming orange juice (sounds kinda like olive oil plus grapefruit juice, no?). Not once did I ever notice anything unusual about my stool during those programs.
    
    Beyond this, my wife makes all of our soap. She makes it using olive oil (plus other oils). In order to get oil to turn to soap, high, life-terminating temperatures are required. Oils and fats just don't become soap just because you put the chemical ingredients together.
    
    Laura discussed a lot of this earlier. If these were in fact "soap balls", then they should be sudsy. They are not. I've tested them, too, and they're kinda waxy, kinda dough-y, kinda jelly. They are not sudsy.
    
    Soap, by the way, is both water soluble and fat soluble, which is why it works. With all the water and "sloshing" that goes on in your intestines, which is allegedly the basis for this "chemical process" which "makes soap", the soap should dissolve. Leave soap (real, home made soap) in water some time and see how long it remains solid or "ball shaped". Then slosh it around some with your hand and see how long it maintains its "bar" (or "ball") shape.
    
    While there may be some truth to the idea that the oil consumed results in some of the byproducts that we find, there is too much evidence -- personal, I've-seen-it evidence -- which demonstrates that this process does in fact purge gall stones and clean out the liver.
    
    We had one guy come here recently and tell us that the Liver Flush was a "good thing", even though all we were doing was turning oil into soap internally. (Yet why don't people who eat lots of animal fat -- which makes a much more durable soap -- produce tons of soapy material?) In other words, even though we were all fooling ourselves, it was still somehow "beneficial".
    
    To put it more plainly: he was covertly trying to undermine the liver flush. I say "covertly" because his agreeing that Liver Flushing was a "good thing" was his way of trying to be "in".
    
    I've seen this behavior far too many times, in lots of different areas. EVERY viewpoint offered on the Internet which differs in any way from "medical-worshipping modern-science-is-the-only-answer atheist" will invariably have someone show up who cannot sleep at night knowing that the viewpoint exists, and this someone will do everything in his power to prove how wrong it is. Surprising though it may seem, such people exist. Every viewpoint which doesn't match his own is wrong, and he'll pick up some particular viewpoint to rail against. This attack becomes the focal point of his life. *NO* amount of rational explanation can change his mind.
    
    Listen. You have to decide for yourself whether or not Liver Flushing is the route for you. You have to decide if you believe what we're telling you or not. Try it for yourself and you be the judge. And if you ultimately decide that we're all a bunch of lunatics, then so be it. You won't hurt my feelings.
    
    =-John-=
    

     
    

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    • ..Hey im not a nonbeliever,i have done two flushes...   #166570   22 y  10,134
      
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      ..Hey im not a nonbeliever,i have done two flushes and the second one i passed,what i think for sure was colesterol floating stones,some were large around 250 plus stones came out,the first flush i passed about a dozen black or dark green balls,these i doubt was real stones,but the second flush they were more in the rock form,my daughter called them (MOON ROCKS)i thought that was cute...so i will flush again,thanks for the input..

       
      

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      • LOL Yeah, sorry, I just climbed up on my soapbo...   John Cullison   22 y  9,846
        
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        LOL Yeah, sorry, I just climbed up on my soapbox (HAR HAR) again. *grin* Take care, =-John-=

        LOL
        
        Yeah, sorry, I just climbed up on my soapbox (HAR HAR) again.
        
        *grin*
        
        Take care,
        
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    • Hello, John. I have been reading this forum for a...   Kelly   22 y  10,020
      
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      Hello, John. I have been reading this forum for about 2 months now and I always like what you have to say. Do you mind answering a couple of questions? How long have you been doing the liver flushes? At what intervals? How long before you could see the "results"? I have done 2 flushes so far. The first with the SuperPhos and the second was the Hulda Clark recipe. Both times I felts pretty good for a few days and then right around the 5th to 6th day, I felt like absolute "dog meat". It took a couple of days both times to come out of it. I am just a novice at this, but feel like such good things will come out of it. Also, I am sooooooo tired. Is this part of it? Forgive me if you have answered all this in previous messages.

       
      

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      • Hi, Kelly! Sorry I didn’t reply sooner... it ta...   John Cullison   22 y  10,105
        
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        Hi, Kelly! Sorry I didn’t reply sooner... it takes me awhile to get back around to posts that have dropped off the first page of a forum. I’ve been doing flushing, etc., since about February o...

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        Hi, Kelly!
        
        Sorry I didn't reply sooner... it takes me awhile to get back around to posts that have dropped off the first page of a forum.
        
        I've been doing flushing, etc., since about February of this year. Yes, there is this sudden rush usually immediately following a flush, and then at some point, whatever was ailing you seems to come back. I believe you'll find that you're done with flushes when that sudden rush doesn't go away. Others can tell you about that more easily than I can, as I'm not there yet. My energy level is definitely much improved, and I haven't had a gall bladder attack in awhile, but I've still got some issues to resolve -- in particular, I've not had much weight loss yet.
        
        I've followed the Hulda Clark recipe. Intervals of two weeks for that.
        
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  • Re: ..(Soap Stones) or gallstones????   #164385   22 y  10,074
    
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    Being a "soaper", I KNOW it is not soap that we make. There is a huge difference between saponifying and emulsifying when it comes to oils. Soap requires saponification which would kill us from the inside out. Emulsification, however could be the explanation of the green, waxy stones. I can attest to the fact that the green comes from bile and not the olive oil since I use almond oil in my cleanses and it is not green. My fourth cleanse is coming up in a few weeks (I need to cleanse some more junk from my colon first, we had in-law company for a couple of weeks and I indulged to excess...shame on me :6))
    and so far, I have not passed any hard type stones. Just a bunch of green, waxy ones and some that looked like soft gravel bunches. Still, though none of the stones were hard like what some people call "true" gallstones, my health has improved as has my disposition. My intuition says that the waxy stones are most likely stale, concentrated bile that emulsifies with the oil to become sticky balls. This bile would have to be quite thick (gluelike) to begin with and I wonder if it helps keep the stones in place within the ducts. If so, it would be important to move it on out of there so that future cleanses will be more efficient.
    
    Personally, I don't care a whit about what the junk is that comes out, I only care about the results in my health which have been positive so far. And as long as something comes out, I intend to keep flushing.
    
    After my first two flushes, I was somewhat convinced that the stones I saw were just bits of fecal matter, but after hearing of people who flushed the same kind of debris after days and days of fasting, I thought it highly unlikely.
    
    Just my $.02.
    
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  • Re: ..(Soap Stones) or gallstones-They are cholest...   #164465   22 y  10,263
    
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    Some people do pass real stones, but the thing that is confusing people and the naysayers are the green floaters, they are not soap or gallstones, they are cholesterol mixed with bile some call them cholesterol plugs.

     
    

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  • Re: ..(Soap Stones) or gallstones????   mjs   11 y  5,120
    
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    I had to join to post this comment. This Dr S. Stokes is arrogant, smarmy and smug. He holds back a laugh when describing a patient's anguish. Here what he says: http://youtu.be/ioZOcAFjLfM
    Can someone post a video response to him. Even f there is some truth to what he says, he could be a little more caring about it. Thanks for an interesting site. I am supposed to have an ultrasound after 3 gall bladder attacks and I really don;t know what to do.

     
    

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  wife facing gallbladder surgery - new to flushing   bcsdowlen   21 y  6,514
  
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  My wife and I are fairly new to the whole 'alternative' health scene, having been brainwashed into trusting the corpotate medical community to take care of us. She has been very ill for more than a year, and they can't figure out what to call it -- we won't let them call it Chronic Fatigue, because that just means "go away and stop asking hard questions"
  
  Anyway, they did find Gallstones when doing an ultrasound to look at her kidneys (which have cysts - possible PKD). She had her first gallstone attack about a month ago and we found Dr. Hulda's flush and did it with great success. Over 400 stones throughout the day... no pain or nausea to speak of. Only a short time before that, we had gone to an iridologist and a chiro (for CRA) to try to get to root causes and stop responding to 2nd and 3rd tier symptoms.
  
  Yesterday, we went to the E.R. due to another gallbladder attack, and they really shunned the idea of doing another flush. They didn't take out the gb because her white count and temperature weren't high enough to be classified as an emergency. The pain meds they gave her were as bad and maybe worse than the pain... go figure.
  
  Anyway, we were wondering how often folks have done the flush in the 'heat of the moment' with major pain and cramping going on. Any ideas of the likelyhood of a flush actually causing a rupture? Or maybe a flush sending a stone to plug up the pancreas?
  
  We are about to start Dr. Clark's flush again (maybe minus the oil) to see if we can get enough stones out to relieve the pain - without causing the gb to contract and rupture...
  
  Anybody got first-hand advice?
  
  
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  • Scott, I believe I have read on this forum that if...   Linda   21 y  5,661
    
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    Scott, I believe I have read on this forum that if you are having an attack to take a dose of Epsom Salt and that will dilate the duct so the stone can pass. I also have read people have done an emergency flush. I'm new to this also having been diagnosed with Gallstones a year ago. It seems sensible to me if you are not too sick to drink the oil it would be ok to do the emergency flush. After all the stone is already stuck so why not try to get it to move. Most do a flush every 2 to 3 weeks until they see no stones. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Keep reading the forum and good luck to your wife.

     
    

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    I just wanted to mention that if your wife is experiencing
    symptoms of "chronic fatigue" she most likely has a bad case of
    candida. I would get as much information as possible on this subject. Your wife has a yeast overgrowth with possible parasites.
    She should exclude Sugar from her diet as well as other dietary
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    Good luck!
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    • Don’t be so hasty. Chronic Fatigue can be cause by...   #166685   21 y  5,080
      
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      Don't be so hasty. Chronic Fatigue can be cause by numerous things. I think her book has got too many people brain washed. It could be epstein barr virus, mycoplasma infections, thyroid dysfunction or a number of other things. The best thing you can ever do for your health is NAET. It changed my life.

       
      

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  • Re: wife facing gallbladder surgery - new to flush...   #162434   21 y  5,282
    
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    Hi. arent you supposed to do a parasite cleanse before doing a liver cleanse? That way you have better chance not getting sick.

     
    

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  • I’ve done the Hanna Kroeger liver cleanse. She ha...   Edmund   20 y  5,252
    
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    I’ve done the Hanna Kroeger liver cleanse. She has you drink apple juice for 2 days and then at the end of the second day you drink 1/2 cup olive oil. I did this and sleep right through the night....

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    I've done the Hanna Kroeger liver cleanse. She has you drink apple juice for 2 days and then at the end of the second day you drink 1/2 cup olive oil. I did this and sleep right through the night. I was expecting tossing and turning and hunger and everything. All that happened was I couldn't wait to drink something other than apple juice. It worked quite well. That was my first and tomorrow I'm doing my second since it went so well.

     
    

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  • I have done the LF 4x and I know someone who has d...   peachteach   15 y  3,944
    
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    I have done the LF 4x and I know someone who has done the Hulda Clark flush 41x. Myself and this person are doing a LF every month (following Andreas Moritz and Hulda Clark’s programs) until 3 fl ....

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    I have done the Liver-Flush 4x and I know someone who has done the Hulda Clark flush 41x. Myself and this person are doing a Liver-Flush every month (following Andreas Moritz and Hulda Clark 's programs) until 3 flushes in a row are totally clear. Depending on the "issues" that are being experienced and are underlying depends on how long this will take but the determination and consistancy is what counts. I know doing LF's is a VERY impowering feeling and is EXTREMELY successful when done correctly. Listen to your body. Make sure that some sort of colon therapy/cleansing is done prior to a Liver-Flush (colonics...) That way you are really working hard to diminish the chances that stray stones are left behind.
    Good luck :)

     
    

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  • Take Golden Coin Grass(Jin Qian Cao) http://www.k...   opublicus   15 y  3,980
    
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    Take Golden Coin Grass(Jin Qian Cao) http://www.kalyx.com/store/proddetail.cfm/ItemID/798276.0/CategoryID/13000.0/SubCatID/2850.0/file.htm It will break apart the stones. You need to take quit ....

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    Take Golden Coin Grass(Jin Qian Cao)
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    It will break apart the stones. You need to take quite a bit of it 3 times a day.

     
    

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  • Scott, it usually takes multiple flushes to clear ...   sallyskull1800   11 y  2,456
    
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    Scott, it usually takes multiple flushes to clear the stones. You can’t do the flush without the oil - it’s the oil that stimulates the liver and gallbladder to ”dump.” Next time your wife has an ....

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    Scott, it usually takes multiple flushes to clear the stones. You can't do the flush without the oil - it's the oil that stimulates the liver and gallbladder to "dump." Next time your wife has an attack, she should take a tablespoon of Epsom Salt in 6 to 8 oz. of water. That should help pass the stone.

     
    

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  Does anyone have experience with candex for candid...   #164711   22 y  10,296
  
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  I need help about what to do next.
  
  Any sugestions are welcome.
  
  I have been suffering from Candida for many
  years. I have started taking Candex for it.
  I am almost done with my 3rd bottle. I really
  don't see anything happening. Although I am
  more tired than usual. Has anyone had
  success with candex?
  
  I am the one that can't take olive oil
  or lemon juice due to allergies. I thought
  if I got rid of my parasites and candida some
  how, my allergies would go away and I could
  do the flush.
  
  I also was taking Colloidal Silver for my
  kidney infection and parasites. I believe
  it helped my infection cause my kidney
  symptoms are much better. I stopped
  taking it cause was not sure it was helping
  for the parasites.
  
  How long would it take to kill the parasites
  with silver? I was using Silver water and
  did not think it was as good as the colloidal
  silver. Does anyone have an opinion about
  Colloidal Silver verses silver water? I
  mostly stoppped taking it due to finances.
  The candex bottle only lasts 1 week and is
  $20. The Colloidal Silver is $19 and lasts
  2 weeks.
  I just ordered some lactobacillus sporogenes
  (good bacteria for the gut). I never have
  had much success with acidophilus type
  products in the past, but I am going to give
  it another shot. Candex people recommend to
  take good bacteria with their product to
  take the place of the the yeast that die
  off. The Candex is an enzyme that digests
  the candida verses killing it so there is
  not supposed to be die off symptoms.
  
  I am also considering taking Colloidal Gold
  for my Depression and to help with withdrawal
  symptoms from coming down off anti-depressants.
  Anyone had any experience with colloidal
  gold? I want to keep suppliments to a
  minimum because of the expense and I
  believe the body with heal itself if
  given a chance and I try to eat food,
  Organic veggies and pasture fed meat
  and filtered water.
  
  I am doing so much better now though.
  
  I was 92 pound in January and am 113 now.
  Ye ha! I have about 10 more pounds to go
  before I get back up to my normal weight.
  
  I lost the weight due to too much cleansing,
  my kindey infection, and my candia acting
  up due to the apple jucie in the colon
  cleanse and the Liver Flush and the
  alcohol in the the chinese bitters and the
  Gold Coin Grass tinctures.
  
  This was supposed to be short and sweet, OH
  well.
  
  PLease offer your suggestions or just your
  experences with the products that I mentioned.
  I really want to get well enough to try that
  flush again.
  
  Mary.

   
  

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  • Sorry never used that but I did find a site that h...   Sassy   22 y  9,319
    
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    Sorry never used that but I did find a site that has a program you can print also uses the the products I followed with a Doc & it works.. & is A lot cheeper than the doc visits! But the Cleanse...

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    Sorry never used that but I did find a site that has a program you can print
    also uses the the products I followed with a Doc & it works..
    & is A lot cheeper than the doc visits!
    But the Cleanses helped the products to work better as they did not have to wade thru all the gunk to work & get to where it needs help most ..
    
    Basic therory is:
    Only use 1 product at a time for 4 days & switch so the Candida "doesn't" figure out how to evolve & not die with that product & then Rotate from 1 product to the next, over & over.. Tricks Candida good!
    
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    Also parasites go Hand In HAnd with Candida they play off each other so you have to work on them too
    
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  • For Mary O   glenna   22 y  9,109
    
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    Hi Mary O,
    I read that it does not matter too much which oil you use, so if it's not olive but e.g. sunflower oil etc..
    Juice: I heard grape juice works, so if you would want to you could experiment with other juice.
    What I understand about candida is that it is best to avoid any simple sugars as in honey and juices
    for a while, eat yoghurt with active acidophilus ( used milk with active cultures"Nutrish?", most supermarkets
    have it, mostly orange label).
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    • Thanks for your ideas. I am limited on my diet ...   #164711   22 y  8,746
      
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      Thanks for your ideas. I am limited on my diet because of my allergies and my candida. I am very good and do not eat any dairy, sweets, grains, or fruit. I am on a cave man diet and am im...

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      Thanks for your ideas.
      
      I am limited on my diet because of my
      allergies and my candida.
      
      I am very good and do not eat
      any dairy, sweets, grains, or fruit.
      
      I am on a cave man diet and am improving.
      I went from a candida score of 308 in October
      2001 to a current score of 188 in aug 2002.
      
      This is huge.
      
      over 275 is extreme condition of candida
      225-275 is severe
      151-225 is serious
      75-150 moderate
      
      I will never have a score of less than 124 because
      124 is my score for just the history questions
      and one can't change the past.
      
      I acomplished this with diet alone, since me and
      suppliments don't get along.
      
      I guess I have to be able to eat more before I
      can attempt the flush again. I just am so
      impatient and want to have 1 successful flush.
      I have had 1 questionablefluch in Oct 2001
      (lots of round balls that sunk - filled with
      white gravel, and one totally unsuccessful
      flush in Dec 2001.
      
      The first one I took the gallstone crushing herbs
      and the second time I did not.
      
      I am not all that allergic to the lemons and
      olive oil and one evening of it probably won't
      feed my candida (the juice) too much. It was the
      apple juice I used for the 6 weeks of the colon
      cleanse and the 2 days staight of the apple juice
      fast for the galbladder cleasne that aggraveted
      my candida to the point I was always dizzy and
      kept having car accidents because I was always
      confused.
      
      I don't drive now when I feel tired or spacey.
      I also have MCS so don't go anywhere except
      the chiropractor and the health food store.
      I think I am going to return the candex,
      it is not helping and I am probably
      allergic anyway. They have a money back
      guarantee.
      
      I have read the candia will only return if
      the underlying is not fixed. Mine is leaky
      gut, probably caused by poorly digested food,
      Antibiotics , mercury fillings, sad
      (standard american diet) in the past,
      lack of exercise and sunshine and clean water,
      and lots of pain meds as a kid. I am trying
      to address all of these things.
      
      My Gallstones might be playing a roll in
      this as well.
      
      If I ever get to the flush, I'll let you know.
      
      Mary O.
      
      I was just Mary before but someone
      else is also mary so I thought this would be
      less confusing.
      

       
      

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      • YOU SEEM TO KNOW A LOT about candida. I am just l...   mercycat   21 y  8,957
        
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        YOU SEEM TO KNOW A LOT about candida. I am just learning.
        1. what kind of test did you take and where? I bet mine is through the roof.
        
        2. How do you do a caveman diet? I am trying to change my diet but it is very hard. It seems like there is NO FOOD AVAILABLE because of my habits.
        
        3. What is MCS? I have fibromayalgia.
        
        THANKS!
        MERCY

         
        

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  • Re: Does anyone have experience with candex for ca...   #163020   21 y  9,206
    
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  • maybe some answers to your candida problem!@   danielle   21 y  10,096
    
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    hello there
    i may not have all the answers you need, but i certainly have some suggestions...
    
    firstly, the candex can be used to maintain levels of candida, but it must be used in conjuction with other things... Colloidal Silver , also can be beneficial, but when used to combat a severely out of whack system, more whollistic approaches must be made... i am in the last stages of a Colon Cleanse paired with flaxseed oil, all flora capsules from new chapter, and the cleanse smart Colon Cleanse from renew life. i would highly recommend you do the same... the main thing though is diet. you must be as strict as you can be... NO fruits, or sugars of ANY type... no honey, no nothing... fresh vegetable, lean fish, poultry, raw almonds and eggs... in following this, you'll very quickly see results while using the candex... the thing that i was hoping with taking candex is that it would automatically take my problems away, but it doesn't and it isn't meant to, but combining things will really help... after you finish the 30 day cleanse from renewlife, there is a followup cleanse called paragone... i believe that is also a 30 day... follow that cleanse with the same steps as the first and then proceed to the last step which is a 30 day candigone cleanse... the main thing though, once again is diet... ! can't stress it enough... i would recommend continuing the candex through all this and try not to cheat on the diet (remember how shitty you feel when you do) and i think that should really give you some great relief! best of luck
    
    danielle

     
    

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  • Re: Does anyone have experience with candex for ca...   barbiec   21 y  9,782
    
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    I have been suffering with candida for the past three years,at least. I did the Colloidal Silver for two months and have gone the last month without. Have added omega 3 fatty acids to my diet (am noticing that my skin is starting to look alot better) took olive leaf extract, oregamax, grapefruit seed extract,Jarrowdolpholis with FOS, caprylic acid and organic coconut oil. Have changed my diet to what you have...no fruits or sugars of any kind and feel SO much better than I have in a LONG time. Stopped the Colloidal Silver one month ago. Infestation almost gone until last week when I added Candigone by Renewlife and Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics (when I read that FOS was no good.)and Gy-Natren. I think it was these probiotics that did the trick. One week with no symptoms. I am going to keep up with these probiotics. Also, be careful of yogurt...grocery store yogurt is mostly JUNK ! I am going to rent a cow and make my own. I am searching online for an excellent yogurt maker. Can't trust some foods because of the Antibiotics (which promotes candida) in them (like farmed fish and animals that aren't allowed to graze like they are supposed to),

     
    

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  • Hi Mary, I’m wondering if you might be fruit in...   Brodie   21 y  9,330
    
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    Hi Mary, I’m wondering if you might be fruit intolerant. I became quite ill a couple of years ago and managed to find a doctor who does the Carroll Test. It is an old test developed at Stanford...

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    Hi Mary,
    
    I'm wondering if you might be fruit intolerant. I became quite ill a couple of years ago and managed to find a doctor who does the Carroll Test. It is an old test developed at Stanford University by Dr. Carroll that determines what, if anything, a person cannot break down in their system.
    
    I turned out to be diary. My improvement was so noticeable that a friend of mine was checked and she is fruit. The reason I suspect you may be a fruit intolerant is from your mention of both lemon and olive oil being a problem for you. Olives are considered fruit, as are avocados. Anything with citric acid are considered fruits and anything that is preserved or contains that may set you off. There's another acid in that category but I can't remember which.
    
    It's worth a shot. It made a dramatic difference in my life to follow the guidelines I was given, and in the life of my friend. You have to do your own cooking. No store bought pre-made stuff though. If you have questions contact DrZeff@aol.com. He's good and you can do the test by sending a blood sample through the mail if you live far away.
    
    Here's hoping you recover fully and regain optimal health. Best wishes, Brodie.

     
    

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  Dark Circles   Sally   22 y  6,304  † C †
  
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  • Dear Dark Circles, It’s a drag isn’t it? I had p...   Lynn   22 y  7,070
    
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    Dear Dark Circles, It’s a drag isn’t it? I had puffy eyes and dark circles that gradually cleared up. I still have some dark circles, but it is gradually fading with each flush. I have done 6 ....

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    Dear Dark Circles,
    It's a drag isn't it? I had puffy eyes and dark circles that gradually cleared up. I still have some dark circles, but it is gradually fading with each flush. I have done 6 and will do another tonight at the full mood.
    You need to be patient. Remember how long it took to develop the circles and dark skin around the eyes. I first remember my dark circles becoming a problem not just when I had not gotten enough sleep around 1978. I couldn't figure out why suddenly I was noticing darker circles. I never made the connection to my liver until I read somewhere that artichoke hearts would help dark circles. Then I noticed on many health food store gall stone herbal supplements artichoke is listed the clean the liver and g-bladder. Soooo there you go. It means a bogged down liver/digestive system.
    Good Luck, Lynn

     
    

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    Here are a few tips to deal with dark circles:
    
    - Massage Vitamin E or almond oil around the eyes without touching the eyes (massage must strictly be external). This improves blood circulation.
    
    - As a quick fix during parties, use a makeup concealer to hide the dark circle. But remember this is only a temporary solution.
    
    - Get a lot of sleep. Sleeplessness is a culprit for most health problems. Have a set routine and have regular sleep timing. Make sure you get at least 8 hours of sleep.
    
    - Drink lots of water. For anything related to health, water is still the best beverage.
    
    - Grate raw potato, squeeze the juice and apply the juice under your eyes for 10 minutes. Alternatively, you can also place thin slices of potato on your eyes (with them closed) every night before you retire. This is one of the most popular and time-tested home remedies for dark circles.
    
    - Include a lot of green leafy veggies in your diet. Also include food rich in Vitamin A and E.
    
    - Indulge in some kind of exercise like walking, jogging. Yoga, especially pranayama is known to improve skin health.
    
    - Take two thin slices of cucumber and place them on your eyes. This removes the puffiness and cools the eyes - Dip cotton in rose water and place them on your eyes.
    
    - Reduce salt intake in your food. Excess salt encourages fluid retention and leads to puffy eyes.
    
    - The area under your eyes has very sensitive skin, so never use chemical bleach.
    
    - You can also place used tea bag (cold) on your eyes which helps lessen the darkness - Avoid exposing your skin to harsh rays of the sun. Especially for the eyes, wear sunglasses whenever you step out in the sun
    
    - Apply any best eye cream for dark circles containing vitamin K and argiline. Dark circles may be caused by a deficiency of vitamin K. Regardless of the cause, however, skin creams containing these two ingredients reduce puffiness and discoloration significantly in many people. Long-term daily use seems to have the greatest effect.
    

     
    

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  Morning after Flush   Deenac813   22 y  5,906
  
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  Hi. It is my morning after my first flush. I am getting ready to take my last dose of epsom salt. I am kinda disappointed because I just passed a few tiny sontes(about the size of seasme seeds). I guess I am going to have to try again in a few weeks. Anyone have any advice?
  
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  • Hi Deena, Don’t get discouraged just yet. You may...   Ninja   22 y  4,949
    
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    Hi Deena, Don’t get discouraged just yet. You may see stones an hour or two after your last dose of MgSO4. Good luck!

    Hi Deena,
    Don't get discouraged just yet. You may see stones an hour or two after your last dose of MgSO4. Good luck!

     
    

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    • I got a few small stones out.. They were all about...   Deenac813   22 y  5,025
      
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      I got a few small stones out.. They were all about the size of a seasme seed and one or two were the size of a pea. I am really discouraged. I just ate my first meal (broth) and my right shoulder is...

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      I got a few small stones out.. They were all about the size of a seasme seed and one or two were the size of a pea. I am really discouraged. I just ate my first meal (broth) and my right shoulder is hurting me again. I dont know what to do but I know I have to do something. Does anyone have any advice?
      
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      • Hi! I recommend visiting www.sensiblehealth.com. ...   countrygirl   22 y  5,466
        
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        Hi! I recommend visiting www.sensiblehealth.com. There Julia Chang explains how a congested liver has a hard time flushing out stones. She sells a product called Chinese Bitters which helps to dec...

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        Hi! I recommend visiting www.sensiblehealth.com. There Julia Chang explains how a congested liver has a hard time flushing out stones. She sells a product called Chinese Bitters which helps to decongest the liver for a more successful liver flush. There is a wealth of info there.
        
        Also, did you follow the Dr. Clark recipe? On my first flush I did & passed about 300+ pea sized stones. For my second flush I did some tweaking to her recipe & today passed 2500+ stones. I posted the recipe in the Liver Cleanse forum.

         
        

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        • Thanks Countrygirl. I visited the website and trie...   Deenac813   22 y  4,839
          
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          Thanks Countrygirl. I visited the website and tried to research the herbs she has there. There is not much information about them. Have you taken them? I am a little wary of new herbs that I can no...

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          Thanks Countrygirl. I visited the website and tried to research the herbs she has there. There is not much information about them. Have you taken them? I am a little wary of new herbs that I can not find out more information on. On a more positive note, I passed about 15-20 more stones. Most of them were about sesame size but a few were pea size. I was so excited! I am going to do the cleanse again in a few weeks but I also want to try to break them up or soften them. Any ideas?
          
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          P.S. I feel much better today then I have in awhile. More energy too! I also drank 2 glasses of warm water this morning about 20 minutes before breakfast.

           
          

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          • To soften the stones according to Dr Kelley Pr...   Genmata   14 y  3,405
            
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            To soften the stones according to Dr Kelley Preparation: Drink as much Organic (or 100% pure) APPLE JUICE as comfortable, for 5 - 6 days before the liver flush, in order to soften gall stones ....

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            To soften the stones according to Dr Kelley
            
            Preparation: Drink as much Organic (or 100% pure) APPLE JUICE as comfortable, for 5 - 6 days before the liver flush, in order to soften gall stones. For maximum softening, add PHOSFOOD drops (ortho-phosphoric acid) to the apple juice, for a total of 60 drops per day.
            
            Rinse your teeth after taking the ortho-phosphoric acid: Brush them briefly with a BAKING SODA solution (or Milk of Magnesia), to neutralize the acid.
            
            
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  lots of questions before doing flush   #164486   22 y  2,647
  
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  I am a 55 yr old female.
  After almost 10 years of misery, caused by intestinal problems and arm, leg and back pain, all due to a botched exploratory surgery years ago, I recently began taking supplements (colustrum, chromium polynicotinate, bee pollen, bee propolis, royal jelly, acidophilus, milk thistle and, among others, methylcobalamine B12) which have given me some energy and mental alertness I have not enjoyed in the above mentioned time frame! It has also permitted me to cut down on my painkillers from 5X a day to TWICE only!
  I've read that it is recommended that all supplements and vitamins (except B6 and magnesium... I take citrate) be put on hold before the liver flush, as they could "prevent success"....... Can anyone tell me if that is so? I'd hate to stop taking the things that have me feeling better.
  Also, has anyone attempted this Liver Flush WITHOUT first doing the parasite and kidney cleanses? I've read that both are also necessary for success.
  I am quite certain that these flushes would be beneficial for me and help with the various symptoms I have which denote an unhealthy liver/gallbladder, but I want to be sure of the above before proceeding.
  Thankyou very much for any feedback you may offer here,
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  • Hello Liu! There is a reason Dr. Clark recomme...   Southern Belle   22 y  2,491
    
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    Hello Liu! There is a reason Dr. Clark recommends the order of cleansing and, if you can, follow that order. I take supplements and have for 30 years. I did not stop taking them when I com...

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    Hello Liu!
    
    There is a reason Dr. Clark recommends the order of cleansing and, if you can, follow that order.
    
    I take supplements and have for 30 years. I did not stop taking them when I completed my liver cleanses.
    
    No, I did not follow the order. I jumped right in and did the liver cleanse first. I completed eight three weeks apart until there were no more stones. In between, I did a parasite cleanse and am now doing a second colon cleanse. I have never done a kidney cleanse.
    
    I feel great, other than a sore throat I got from a cousin while attending a family reunion this past weekend. Minor stuff.
    
    Go ahead and flush and don't forget to post your results!
    
    Good luck and good health!

     
    

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  • Hi Liu, Read Wendy from Australia’s tale of pai...   #165175   22 y  2,039
    
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    Hi Liu, Read Wendy from Australia’s tale of pain and misery on this forum (Terrecotta stones - I think it’s on page 2). She has yet to do a parasite and bowel cleanse and has had a very hard tim...

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    Hi Liu,
    
    Read Wendy from Australia's tale of pain and misery on this forum (Terrecotta stones - I think it's on page 2). She has yet to do a parasite and Bowel Cleanse and has had a very hard time of it. After 3 flushes now she is still experiencing very bad pain and GB attacks and it's probably because she hasn't done the other cleanses. Dr. Clark says that you can't effectively flush a liver that's infected with parasites. Some people get away with it, but many don't. I decided to follow the directions and it worked great for me and my wife (our testimony is also on page 2 I think).
    
    Again everyone is different and your results could vary from the rest so do what you think is best for you. If however you opt to do the cleanses first then you're only three weeks away from the first flush.
    
    To your good health,
    Tim

     
    

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    • I can’t thank Tim and SouthernBelle for their inpu...   #164486   22 y  2,263
      
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      I can’t thank Tim and SouthernBelle for their input. Actually, I’ve decided to do the parasite cleanse (living near Berkley, CAL, I should be able to find all I need) and the kidney cleanse. But hav...

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      I can't thank Tim and SouthernBelle for their input. Actually, I've decided to do the parasite cleanse (living near Berkley, CAL, I should be able to find all I need) and the kidney cleanse. But have decided on the castor oil packs, together with beet recipe (grated raw with lemon juice and flax seed oil), olive oil and freshly juiced and unfiltered apple juice for the liver cleanse. I'm really hoping this will be as dramatically sufficient as the Epsom Salts . Reason for my fears are a history of peritonitis (TWICE) and some rather nasty small-bowel obstructions from scar tissue. When I finish the parasite and kidney cleanses, I'll be sure to post results.
      Reading all your posts has been amazing and a comfort. I have become quite distrustful with doctors and have found that the natural healings are awesome. (I lived for 21 years in Europe, had 2 surgeries there that went so well and my health and spirits were SOARING, I want that back) Thank you again and good health to you!

       
      

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    • Hi Tim, On another list they went into the work...   #164090   22 y  2,207
      
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      Hi Tim, On another list they went into the workings of the zapper a bit more and now I’m not sure if doing the parasite cleansing (Clarkia) will be enough without using a zapper as well. As it s...

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      Hi Tim,
      
      On another list they went into the workings of the zapper a bit more and now I'm not sure if doing the parasite cleansing (Clarkia) will be enough without using a zapper as well. As it stands, I don't have a zapper. Is doing the Clarkia parasite cleansing enough to do the liverflush or should I really look into getting a zapper as well?
      
      Thanks for any input on this
      
      Hanneke
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      • Hi Juicing... I did the tincture/wormwood/clove...   #165221   22 y  2,254
        
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        Hi Juicing... I did the tincture/wormwood/clove method and zapped with a regular 9V battery every day or so. If you get parasites moving out without the zapper then the cleanse should be enough ...

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        Hi Juicing...
        
        I did the tincture/wormwood/clove method and zapped with a regular 9V battery every day or so. If you get parasites moving out without the zapper then the cleanse should be enough (in my mind at least). I needed the extra killer boost the zapper added and still though I could get better results so I'm going to do a coQ10 dose before my next flush and continue with the (tincture/wormwood/clove) parasite maintanence protocol that my wife and I are on now.
        
        Hope this helps,
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        • Thanks Tim, I think I’m well on my way now with...   #164090   22 y  2,281
          
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          Thanks Tim, I think I’m well on my way now with all this helpful information. I have been able to locate a hfs that sells all the ingredients, tincture and the powdered cloves and wormwood. Noth...

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          Thanks Tim,
          
          I think I'm well on my way now with all this helpful information.
          I have been able to locate a hfs that sells all the ingredients, tincture and the powdered cloves and Wormwood . Nothing to stop me now. I'll post back to report how things are going.
          
          Thanks again
          Hanneke

           
          

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    • I haven’t any idea what a ”zapper” is. Could one o...   #164486   22 y  1,969
      
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      I haven’t any idea what a ”zapper” is. Could one of you nice people clue me on this? What is it, where do I get it, how does it work? Just getting over a bad night of a combination of small bowel ...

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      I haven't any idea what a "zapper" is. Could one of you nice people clue me on this? What is it, where do I get it, how does it work?
      Just getting over a bad night of a combination of small bowel obstruction and gallbladder attack..... Has anyone subscribed to the various aids such as Betafood, Phosfood, Choline etc? Awfully expensive, especially for a California resident!
      Good health to you
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      • Hi Liu, someone on the silver list passed on a ...   #164090   22 y  1,984
        
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        Hi Liu, someone on the silver list passed on a website which I believe is very informative. www.rtvc-2000.com You will find very good information on zappers, Beck’s and Clark’s. Good ...

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        Hi Liu,
        
        someone on the silver list passed on a website which I believe is very informative.
        
        www.rtvc-2000.com
        
        You will find very good information on zappers, Beck's and Clark's.
        
        Good luck
        
        Hanneke
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      • Liu, John C. gave me this and it worked ok for ...   #165221   22 y  2,125
        
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        Liu, John C. gave me this and it worked ok for me. If you can’t find or afford a zapper right now just get a regular 9V battery and with the finger of one hand on one of the battery terminals ra...

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        Liu,
        
        John C. gave me this and it worked ok for me. If you can't find or afford a zapper right now just get a regular 9V battery and with the finger of one hand on one of the battery terminals rapidly (as fast as you can) tap the other terminal with a finger of the other hand. Do this for 7 minutes then rest for 20, zap another 7, then 20 rest then zap 7 more mins and you're done. You won't even feel a tingle from it so don't worry there. What it does is actually electrocute parasites so your body can expell them. You'll find more detailed info on zapping on Dr. Clarks site (the link is at the top of the home page).
        
        Happy zapping Liu,
        Tim

         
        

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        • ”Happy Zapping”??? Well, okay, but I’d sure rather...   #164486   22 y  1,915
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