Hi shroom...I wouldn't disagree with your hypothesis. In fact I would extend it because when you have serious candida issues, it is now fairly well known that this disease is highly associative with other diseases caused by bacteria, parasites, viruses, mycoplasma etc. So when your candida gets serious, your immune system bar is lowered tremendously which eventually allows in all manner of different pathogen species into the body.
Here is some of the evidence and research on these candida pathogen association from Dr Wiliam Shaw:
Furthermore, you mention only amoeba inhabiting the intestines. It is also well known through research that candida is a dimorphic organism -- it has two distinct and differing living forms. It has a yeast form -- a saprophytic feeder, reproduces by budding -- and it also has a fungal form -- a true parasite, reproduces by spores.
The yeast form inhabits locally -- uterus, skin, intestines etc. The fungal form infects the blood, organs and tissues -- everywhere in the body in other words.
What I'm trying to say is that if you don't make specific effort to get rid of the systemic candida from both the intestines(yeast form) and the blood(fungal form) then you will probably never get rid of it or it will just keep coming back.
Eight years ago I used a multi-protocol to sucessfully cure my own serious candida issues. This protocol has also proved quite successful for other people who have candida. This protocol was particularly aimed at removing both the yeast and fungal forms of candida. Here are just the pathogen-kill protocols that I used, defined in detail:
I must also emphasize that the above protocols were only a part of my own muti-protocol regimen. The other parts of my protocol consist of more detoxing, supporting the liver/kidneys and a simple diet.
It's also interesting that 70% of the immune system's activity is devoted to the protection of the intestines/cell/blood boundariies. This would also indicate that this mucosal layer, as an anti-pathogen barrier in the intestines, is indeed critical to the body's health defence with respect to neutrophils, eosinophils etc and infections in this regions.
Once dominant and established, candida tends to form profuse and impenetrable biofilms(built with the incorporation of heavy metals) in these mucosal regions with the consequent retreat of health, lowered immune system capability, with wide invitation to other pathogen species to also join the party. Normally mucosal pH in the upper intestines should be about 8.5 but becomes quite acidic from pathogen invasion and dominance.
Then, of course, we have Methylation Cycle Blockade problems which can create all manner of problems in the body including aberrant genes causing a 70% drop in body's neurotransmitter, lymphocyte and detox performance. Candida is well known to take advantage of a weakened or immuno-compromised system.
There can be many causes and reasons for candida fungal invasion or dominance in the human body and this is made even more complex when you also consider that about 80% of the worlds population has candida already living inside their intestines anyway.
Try Methyl-Guard from Thorne Research -- they use P5P.
The above nutrient contains decent amounts of P5P, Trimethylglycine, MethylFolate and Methylcobolamine.
Might also be worth you getting a gene check for the aberrant MTHFR genes as well. If these aberrant genes are in play and there are enzyme blocks in your methylation cycle as well then this could also mean defective neurotransmitters, a rock bottom immune system and an inop detox and transulfuration system (due to nil glutathione).
Hi shroom...Like yourself, I've always believed that candida was a disease caused by a highly variable and disparate number of pathogen species -- not just one. I simply call it candida for convenience but this disease has well over one hundred highly variable symptoms such that no two people will ever have exactly the same symptoms, particularly for systemic or disseminated candida problems. Because of this fact, I had to consider how to treat and cure the candida using suitable wide acting pathogen killers that would kill different pathogen species right across the spectrum which includes candida, parasites, bacteria, viruses, mycoplasma etc.
Candida is also extremely hard to kill because it is dimorphic -- it has a yeast form(saprophyte) as well as a difficult to kill fungal fomr(true parasite). The yeast form lives locally in the skin, intestines, uterus etc while the fungal form lives in the blood, tissues and organs -- everywhere in other words. Add to this that candida produces biofilms profusely in the gut -- where neither the immune system nor anti-fungals can reach it and you have not one but several fairly conspicuous reasons why candida either never goes away or always comes back.
One of the hardest thing to achieve is complete clearance of candida(and parasites) from the intestines. To keep it a short, reasons are given here in ths doc:
Why Turpentine with Castor Oil is so Useful Against Candida
I wrote the above doc for a private parents autism group who have been using the turps/CO protocol and are trying to cure their ASD kids of serious candida and parasite issues using Kerri Rivera's MMS protocols. In this respect, the results that I have observed usng the turps/CO protocol have been very good. I've been using this turpentine/CO protocol with these ASD kids(ages 1 to 16+) for about 18 months now without any problems.
I found essential oil of turpentine for sale here:
(certainly this must be safer than the *industrial* turpentine for internal use?)
http://www.parapharmanet.com/essential-oil-turpentine-valnet,us,4,7339807b.cfm
Turpentine is also part of a formula that you inhale for your lungs here:
(Might be good for fungus in lungs?)
http://www.iherb.com/Heritage-Products-Inspirol-4-fl-oz-120-ml/6478?at=0
Here is Dr. J.H. McLean's Volcanic Oil...main ingredient is turpentine oil.
(but I do not know if it's only for external usage...the company could be called to ask
about the quality/source/purity of the turpentine, etc)
Active Ingredient: Turpentine Oil (9.7%). Inactive Ingredients: Camphor Sassafrassy Oil,
Chlorothymol, Linseed (Flaxseed) Oil, Petrolatum, Pine Oil.
Plus, CVS is a major chain store -- easy to get:
http://www.cvs.com/CVSApp/catalog/shop_product_detail.jsp?skuId=709505&pr...
T.mc_id=Shopping_Feed_Products_Google_Free_Listing#prodIngdCont
Also >> Turpentine Oil, Rectified 2 oz
Pure Gum Spirits of Turpentine, External Analgesic
Here:
http://www.baar.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=001&...
Also, found a great amount of info and preparations here:
Excerpt:
Internally, the oil is given in small doses in bronchitis and phthisis, and to arrest
haemorrhage from the lungs, nose, uterus, kidneys, or intestine, but its use for the
latter purpose is based on misconception. Large doses are purgative and anthelmintic; to
prevent absorption they are best given with castor oil. Oil of turpentine expels tape
worms and thread worms; for the latter it may be used as Enema Terebinthinae, with, or
without, castor oil. It is given internally, and by enema, in the tympanites of typhoid
fever. The oil may be administered in mixture form, emulsified with half its weight of
powdered gum acacia, or one-fourth its weight of powdered tragacanth, by the processes
described in the monographs on those gums; it is also given enclosed in gelatin capsules.
Oil of turpentine has been given as an antidote in cases of poisoning by phosphorus; but,
though it combines with the phosphorus to form compounds of a less toxic nature than that
substance, the results have not been entirely satisfactory. In cases of poisoning by
large doses of oil of turpentine, emetics and demulcent drinks should be given, with
magnesium sulphate to promote purgation and opium to relieve pain.
Go here: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/bpc1911/pinus_tere.html
Scotch pine oil is extracted from the fresh pine needles and branch tips. The oil is used for colds and fevers. According to the "PDR for Herbal Medicines," scotch pine is known also as turpentine oil, but differs from the paint thinner. Scotch pine must be obtained from a certified herbalist for purity and dosage recommendation.
I drew up two diagrams last night to help people more easily understand why candida can be such a difficult disease to cure and also to illustrate why serious systemic candida issues will rarely, if ever, be cured by using just a simplistic anti-fungal/antibiotic regimen.
Hi PMds2....I take the essential pine oil of Scots Pine(Pinus Sylvestris). This pine oil is made from pine needle sap which is triple distilled and quite strong. I took a teaspoon of pine oil with a teaspoon of molasses(you can use sugar or raw honey instead) yesterday for maintenance(once or twice a week). It's all I can get here in the Philippines. I've been supplementing pine oil for the last 7 months, road-testing it. I've found that it has wonderful cleansing effects on the intestines and also acts to purify the blood. Turpentine also removes biofilms in the body very fast because it has solvent action -- for the same reasons that turpentine or kerosene easily strips paint. Turpentne also kills candida rapidly -- so initially, if you have candida then you will almost certainly get a Herx reaction from using turpentine. If you initially take too much turpentine, then you might also get laxative effects.
When you buy the turpentine or kerosene, make sure that the temperature range used for the distillate is between 150 °C -- 200 °C and if you can, try and get the Low Odour form. Start at about 8 drops and work your way up slowly, over a week or more, to a full teaspoon. If you are taking turpentine for a particular problem, then take one teaspoon of turpentine everyday(consecutively) for no more than 10 days, then take ten days off to give your liver and kidneys a rest.
But, although I do my best, most people on this website seem to be incredibly scared of supplementing turpentine or pine oil.
No that's not what I've been really saying. Because I'm on a candida forum, and to avoid great confusion, I just advise turpentine for candida. But if you look into all the research and testimonials on the web -- turpentine and kerosene have been used to successfully cure other diseases like various cancers, tuberculosis, polio, sepsis(gangrene) etc. Turpentine/Kerosene has alot of internal uses.
I'm also a believer in continual preventative maintenance for my own body. Many people just don't bother. I don't always take turpentine and usually I take it to occasionally cleanse my bowel and purify the blood because its so difficult to avoid eating chemically processed food now. I take turpentine for similar reasons that I am always detoxing -- processed food with toxins, heavy metals etc is everywhere now.
Furthermore I am indeed cured of all my past candida problems. I simply think that reactive medicine - taking medicine only when you are ill -- is not a clever way to go. I'm 63 and very healthy now. But it wasn't always like that, especially when I had systemic candida. These days, people look after their shiny cars, gadgets and pets better than they look after their own health. Their own choice. But it strikes me that If you haven't got your own good health and your quality of life is thoroughly wrecked because of candida problems then you will have very little reason to be happy.
I want to know if there's any truth to this.
I'd read on one site, when looking up info on candida-killing enzymes, that supposedly you can eat a banana and then, 20 minutes later, take the enzymes, and they will kill the candida that comes out to feed on the banana. It referred to this as "baiting" the candida.
Anyway, is there any truth to this? Could I, once in a blue moon, eat something sugary and then take enzymes 20 minutes later to kill the candida while it's trying to feed, and expect a positive result? Or would it be counterproductive to even have eaten the food in the first place?
The claim is totally ridiculous. In addition, the enzymes cellulase and hemicellulase used in some Candida products can actually make things worse:
http://curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1555407#i
I dont believe in baiting candida. Could be counterproductive. By the time the bait reaches the small intestines it can be too far apart from the ingredient trying to kill it. Is the baiting substance going to stay bonded together is the question.
Thats what syclovir tries to accomplish...is the bait method. Syclovir is like liquid glass. That stuff tore my intestines apart. I returned that product because it caused too much inflammation. They added sugar and vinegar to the product. Doubt the sugar+vinegar stayed bonded to the silica diatoms all the way to the small intestine.
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