Re: Marijuana's Effects On Consciousness

"I dont take the drugs any more."

Except that processed chocolate and sugar that distorts your perception. Then of course any time you don't eat truly organic food you are also intoxicating yourself. Not to mention all the herbs you consume that also intoxicate you.

"I dont take the drugs any more.There is nothing about them that attracts me to them and I have no reason at all to consume them anymore. From the time I was 16 to around 26 I consumed marijuana and I now know plenty enough about the drug and or the many nefarious types of people who consume them and I know well enough it is a drug that is not at all worthy of my attention for recreational consumption."

If you are going to have such a negative perception of a simple herb then that is probably for the best.

"After 11 years of consumption I woke up to the fact that it IS a drug and will always be a drug and it is just more drug crap amongst all the other non essential drug crap, in my personal opinion."

And it is my opinion that you are way off base and your logic is delusional.

"I am not alone in that opinion and furthermore I know that many people try it and many people consume it for years and then finally stop consuming the drug , for many personal reasons."

Racists aren't alone in their opinions either, so what.

"Often enough it is because they see others who fall foul of the law and they realise they can not fight the system and they do not want to fight the system and be a crusader and or a prison inmate martyr."

People that don't want to stand up for their God given rights and cower from unjust pressure by fascist fools are a big problem with collectivised society.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

"They choose to leave that up to the others.
Defending the drug and its consumption is hardly a worthy cause....but you go ahead and you can also carry on defending it from inside a prison if you want."

I won't be intimidated by unjust and baseless reasoning and laws. I'm more free than most, when I follow principles of truth and justice. I'm not going to let a bunch of scare mongerers dictate my destiny.

"I will always be critical of drug consumers who argue the same self serving argumets for their personal consumption of non essential recreational drugs and always have their own personal reasons for taking the drug."

That's fine, I will always be critical of self-serving miscreants, who want to impress their unjust will on others under false pretenses and delusional rhetoric.

"If and when it does cause you some harm in any way then that is something that you have to live with while the rest of society also has to live it and any problems it causes.It could have been avoided by not taking the drug."

Again that staement is couched under false pretenses which you cannot even explain, because you have no argument of any specific problems cannabis causes. All you can talk about is the nebulous "nefarious characters" which is a total cop out.

"The drug consumers, over all, talk the same way that cigarette consumers talked 50 years ago while ignoring the health related problems and any other problems associated with its consumption, as small as they may be in some aspects."

I thought you didn't want to make comparisons? Sign of your continuing hypocrisy.

"Health related problems that evolve could be avoided if you did not take the drug for recreational purposes."

Health problems could be avoided if you consumed your chocolate and sugar properly, rather than recreationally.

"If you want to take the drug for recreationa puposes the rest of the citizens are not going to simply accept it and you are going to have to accept that fact."

It matters not if they accept it or not. It is my God given right to consume any herb. This is what is just.

"You can go on and on about the positive aspects of the drug until you are blue in the face and educate people until they all become experts on "all the facts" but most people will still choose to oppose the use of the drug for recreational purposes."

Most people already agree that cannabis should be legal.

 

Gallup Poll: majority of Americans favor legalizing marijuana

http://prohibitionsend.com/2011/10/17/gallup-poll-majority-of-americans-favor...

"No matter what you say most of the people do not want it around them and the associated problems that have evloved and will continue to evolve."

View the above link to find out why you are wrong.

"They dont want alcohol around them and the associated problems and or tobacco and the associated problems. You and the drug consumers will have to live with other peoples criticisms and rejection of the drug(s)including rejection of the people who are stoned on the drugs."

Being rejected by close minded people like yourself is practically a compliment. It's your and those who agree with your ilk that will lose in the end. I accept your criticism how ever distorted it is and I can logically see why you feel the way that you do, but rejection from you and yours is hardly something to be overly concerned of just as rejection from a crackhead is hardly something to be concerned of.

"No amount of reasoning and arguing will change the fact that most people want less of the non essential drugs around them and they want to see less consumption ..not more."

Yeah whatever, most Americans are on prescription drugs, which could be viewed as non-essential given that there are healthier alternatives.

Almost Half of Americans Take At Least One Prescription Drug

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/healthcare/a/usmedicated.htm

"The fact that people want it legalised is not about accepting the drug into their other wise drug free lives and or society."

So now you think you know what other people think? Seems a little delusional to me, why don't you at least produce some documentation to back up your statement.

"It is about accepting the fact that the laws are causing several major problems relative to a stubborn percent of the people who insist on doing the drug and they are willing to break the laws and ignore the criticisms and ignore any of the negatives."

You haven't even produced one statement or study regarding the so-called "negatives". And if the laws weren't so unjust and rascist people wouldn't feel so easily compelled to break them. But they are unjust and the criticisms baseless and full of false reasoning.

"Your statistics are in favour of legalisation because people agree that other people should not be going to jail because of marijuana consumption."

Its called non-violent crime, and it is no reason to lock someone away.

"It does not mean that most people WANT more non essential, recreational drugs in their lives or to be around the consumption and or have the drug easily available for all the more people to consume."

That is a matter of perspective, because that is exactly what will happen and most everyone knows it.

"It is their choice to oppose it and they have just as many valid reasons to oppose it as you do reasons for consuming it and or defending it."

Yes but their reasons for opposing it are unjust and impose their beliefs on cannabis users, whereas cannabis users are not trying to force other people to take cannabis, they merely want unfettered access to the God given herb.

"You have your criticisms about a lot of other issues as do many others so you can expect critizism and opposition to your beliefs also."

I certainly do expect your weak criticism, but what I would like would be some constructive criticism, instead of false and misleading critism that is seemingly baseless.

"If you are a user of non essential drugs, for recreational puposes you are going to hear critizisms and feel the opposition to the drug consumption...for ever."

I will fight for peoples rights to consume cannabis even if I cease to take it, because it is the principle of freedom to utilize substances given by the creator that should not be infringed upon. Under no circumstance should a natural herb be restricted.

"If you think people are just going to listen to the complaints and arguments coming from the drug users and accept the drug induced logic about "every aspect" of their personal drug consumption issues then you are wrong."

What do you know about what I think? You only know what I have told you this statement you have made is pure speculation and I am not even sure what exactly you mean by it.

"The majority of people still do not want the drug to be liberally consumed or easily available in the market."

That is not necessarily true according to the Gallup poll link above, obviously legalization(which the majority want) would make it easily available, so you point is false.

"The majority of people want LESS drugs to be avialable, including the medicinal,pharmacuetical drugs that society is becoming more and more dependant upon."

I seriously doubt that, and you have no data to back up your claim, so that is merely your opinion.

"Even the existing pharmacuetical drugs have a whole lot of negatives that come with their consumption and society is already feeling the negatives that comes with their wide spread consumption
This is not my opinion."

Well that is your statement, so it must be your opinion, sorry to be a stickler here, but you have no other source listed. It is merely your opinion and the fact that you are trying to pass it on as someone elses opinion without naming a source shows the delusional aspect of the logic(or lack ther of) that you are utilizing.

"You can use the internet to find hundreds of articles and data based information about the problems associated with the legal drugs."

No kidding, why don't you find some to back up the statements which you say are not your opinion and we will see the veracity of such internet articles and the funding surrounding such rhetoric.

"Marijuana consumption does not help the existing drug related problems ..it increases the problems."

Another baseless claim of speculation with no source other than your own opinion, which is dubious considering your fallacious and tenuous line of reasoning laid out in this thread.

"But you may not see it that way...but many do and it is not based on ignorance of the drug and its history.It is based on what they observe and or the knowledge that the drug consumption comes with its negatives and they dont want any further problems in their lives."

Oh? and what further problems have been caused by cannabis? If anything it is the other way around. Making cannabis illegal has created a tremendous burden on society. The prisons are full of non-violent  people. Minorities have been discriminated against. Children taken away from their loving families, An industrial crop with numerous uses and the ability to create a sustainable society has been banned, etc. All in the name of a bunch of self-righteous delusional people who think they are saving society by making a God given natural herb illegal.

"Apparantly you and most other drug consumers argue there are no problems."

Well I can't address this statement you have made because it is vague and unspecific. I can also relay that it is has false attributes of stereotype which I have previously addressed.

"Other people that oppose "Increased" drug consumption and or adding more drugs to the list of drugs avaialable for liberal consumption are being told they are wrong and vilified for their opposition to recreational drug consumption and or wrong for trying to curb the consumption of non essential drugs used for recreational purposes."

The problem is in the terms that you and those that oppose a natural herb like cannabis lack specific logic and realistic analysis of the facts. And all the unjust and fallacious reasoning that your ilk utilize in your ill concieved goal to somehow place the blame of the ills of society solely on drugs, rather than viewing it as a symptoms of the greater problems that exist.

"Go ahead and consume all you want and I will carry on critizing the drug consumer and their conduct and their mentality and their attitude about the drug and their beliefs that the drug can be consumed without any problems and there is nothing wrong with consuming it to get stoned on and often enough as stoned as stoned can be."

I too, will continue to criticize your delusional statements, the misleading nature of your rhetoric and the injustice surrounding the restriction of a God given natural herb.

"⁸ And Stephen, full of faith^[a] and power, did great wonders and signs among the people. ⁹ Then there arose some from what is called the Synagogue of the Freedmen (Cyrenians, Alexandrians, and those from Cilicia and Asia), disputing with Stephen. ¹⁰ And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the Spirit by which he spoke. ¹¹ Then they secretly induced men to say, “We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God.” ¹² And they stirred up the people, the elders, and the scribes; and they came upon him, seized him, and brought him to the council. ¹³ They also set up false witnesses who said, “This man does not cease to speak blasphemous^[b] words against this holy place and the law; ¹⁴ for we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs which Moses delivered to us.” ¹⁵ And all who sat in the council, looking steadfastly at him, saw his face as the face of an angel."

"I will fire you if you bring it on the construction jobsite or consume it on the construction jobsite and endanger the lives of the other workers. I will have you drug tested before I hire you and if you prove positive for the drug I will not be hiring you."

That is good for you. It is your choice and right to do so. I doubt I would want to work for you anyway, your messages don't seem that competent, so I can only imagine your mangerial style must be seriously lacking as well.

"While it is still illegal, if you get caught by law enforcement then I will not be feeling sorry for you."

I wouldn't want you to feel sorry for me, and I certainly would not feel sorry for myself, I will overcome any adversity that you and your ilk try to put on me. I have dealt with alot in this life already and I'm not about to let an insignificant jail sentence or a fine stop me from exercising my God given right.

"I would rather you be financially penalised rather than go to prison but I will not be feeling sorry for you...and neither will most others...the same way you do not pay attention to people who pay penalties or go to prison for breaking any of the many other laws that you personally agree with and want enforced."

I will also not feel sorry for you when the system comes back on you and restricts your rights, because you have been warned of the injustice of the system, and yet you go along to get along, rather than oppose such injustice.

"After it is legalised and you are allowed to consume it legally I will still oppose its consumption same as there is wide spread critizism and opposition to alcohol consumption and tobacco consumption."

That is your right to do so. I will oppose any other draconian law that you bring to the table that defies the principles of truth and justice.

"I will be happy that people are not going to prison for its consumption...but I will still oppose its consumption.
If you break the new existing laws related to marijuana supply or marijuana consumption I will still not be feeling sorry for you and I will still be telling you do not consume the drugs for recreational uses."

I'm glad you will be happy. And I will continue to expose the injustices involved in such restrictive laws.

"The major difference between you and me and the drug consumers is simply this:

As long as there is consumption there will always be laws and or rules and regulations and or rules of drug consumption decorum attached to the consumption of the NON ESSENTIAL drugs consumed for recreational puposes.

For the drug consumers, If and when they bend those rules or break those laws and the laws are enforced in any way, whether it be penalites of some sort or prison time, if that is the case, then it will be you and or the other drug consumers who will be suffering the law enforced penalties from your consumption."

This is the common misconception of drug law enforcement. When people are unjustly convicted of a crime that is unjust, all of society pays the price, whether it be in court costs or jail time, all those funds come out of the pockets of tax payers who support the injustice of the system through their compliance.

"It will not be me who pays any penalties and or goes to prison because, as you already know, I do not consume the drugs and or have anything to with their consumption."

Yet you support a system with your tax dollars that is unjust and racially and socially bias toward those of a different cultural subset that do not agree with your ill concieved laws.

"It will not be me who pays any penalties and or goes to prison because, as you already know, I do not consume the drugs and or have anything to with their consumption."

Who doesn't want laws changed that are not just? Only tyrants and delusional fools would want such laws to continue.

"Until they are changed in favour of legal drug consumption you are more than free to challenge the laws and take the chance that you will feel the discomfort of the laws if and when you do get caught breaking them.
If that is the case it will be you that suffers the penalties...not me."

Another common misconception of injustice. We all pay the price when justice is not served, and according to your messages you seem to be all for injustice and racial/cultural oppression.

"You can cry all you want about the injustices of drug related law enforcement as it stands now and many will continue to cry about the injustices of the future laws attached to the non essential consumption of mariajana for recreational puposes.
That is for certain....people will never be happy about law enforcement when it is applied to them."

The difference is by the very principle of the laws of restriction are unjust, and I rightfully complain about such laws and oppose them based on such principles. And I do cry out and say these laws are unjust, rascist, and defy God given rights. The one thing I can say as result of our debate is that discontinuing the use of marijuana may not have helped you attention to detail, seeing as the majority of your statements tend to contian blatant mis-spellings. That does not say much for the overall increased perception you should have according to your supposed "lucid" existence. meanwhile as THC, CBDs, and CBNs coarse through my veins I rarely miss such details. Kind of ironic don't you think?

"Meantime if you are a illegal drug consumer and you get caught you will suffer some sort of negative ramifications and you will not be happy at all about those negative ramifications."

You are absolutely right there is no reason I should be happy for being treated unjustly as a result of exercising my God give right to consume any natural herb. I am rightly insensed by such laws which defy the laws of God the Universal Force of Good that is always true and just.

"It will be you, Not me and that is what seperates us."

And that is a good thing, because I have principles that are sound and faith in truth and justice that will be victorious in the final equation, I fear no foe. I wish you the best, but I am afraid the principles of injustice laid out by your ilk will ultimately be your downfall.

"If you want to chance being penalised and or serving prison time then go right ahead and confront the existing laws and or the future laws.
Either way it will be you that suffers the penalties...not me."

Unlike you I am not going to simply stand by the wayside and watch the injustice continue. I believe in the just cause of legalization of cannabis and its various uses which will be far more beneficial to society than its current restriction. I accept any adversity as a sign that the system is in fear of freedom of the individual and the power of the Universal force of good which will be triumphant.

"I will be on the outside while you could very well be on the inside of a jail cell or prison."

And yet even within a jail cell or prison I will know I have done the right and just thing, and have not compromised my principles out of a fear of unjust retribution by a system that is based on the love of money, as opposed to one that has a foundation of truth, justice, and compassion.

"If you are a legitimate medicinal users then I hope it helps you ...as long as you abide by the rules and regulations and decorum of medical marjuana consumption then it is OK by me."

This statement does not ring true considering your overall talking points. Your over all message is confusing and disjointed if this quote is taken into account. It merely magnifies your lack of a cohesive stance regarding the real issues surrounding cannabis leaglization.

"⁵⁴ When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth. ⁵⁵ But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, ⁵⁶ and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
⁵⁷ Then they cried out with a loud voice, stopped their ears, and ran at him with one accord; ⁵⁸ and they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul. ⁵⁹ And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” ⁶⁰ Then he knelt down and cried out with a loud voice, “Lord, do not charge them with this sin.” And when he had said this, he fell asleep."

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