Re: Marijuana's Effects On Consciousness

So you have all the answers to the laws.
It is clear you do not like the laws and law enforcement.

Your saying that it does not matter at all if a person is drunk or stoned or intoxicated on any substance because it has nothing to do with what happens when that person has an accident of any kind.
That is how your retort reads.
It is all about responsibility and nothing to do with the drug??
Your saying the accident would have happened anyhow even if the person was lucid and not under the influence of a drug.
Your right in some aspects and wrong in one aspect...because we are talking about an accident or accidents that DID or do involve drugs or alcohol.
If your were not stoned then you can argue it is responsibility only.
If you ARE stoned or drunk then that changes the circumstances and the intoxication becomes a factor to be considered and or acknowledged.

If you are or were really tired then you should also not drive the vehicle and the responsible choice is to not drive..if you are trying to be 100 percent responsible.

Nope...the law enforcement of the country does not listen nor agree to peoples reasoning that argues the drugs or alchol have nothing to do with the events that occured if and when you do get caught speeding or involved in an accident while intoxicated on any mind altering and physically altering substance..even if it is a prescription drug.


YOU SAY: IRRESPONSIBILITY, it definitely wasn't the drugs fault, because the driver made the choice to get in the vehicle, so stop blaming cannabis and be RESPONSE ABLE.

MY Answer:If that is the case then stop taking the drug because it is irresponsible to take the drug and that is one of the main arguments about drug consumption.
The accident is not so much really about fault rather it has a lot to do with factors and how drunk or stoned the vehicle operator was / is is a major factor....not the fault.

People who do not take the drugs make the decision to be responsible by not taking the drug while the drug users are,in effect, making a decision that is irresponsible.
Furthermore , while under the influence of the drug, the consumer(s)commonly make further irresponsible decisions like driving their motor vehicles while intoxicated.
It would be considered double irresponsible to drug and drive and take you 5 year old chid wth you while you are drugging and driving while talking on your Cell Phone .
Or they would / could be less leary of getting into another persons vehicle knowing that the driver of the vehicle is just as stoned or maybe even more stoned and increasing the risk of having an accident.
Maybe you need to spend a week with the traffic enforcement officers and see the results of intoxicated drivers and witness the mess created by irresponsible, intoxicated drivers.

"Drink responsibly" says the advertisements that try to lessen the possible damage from over indulgence in substances that make people do all the more irresponsible things..like driving a motor vehicle while drunk.

"Drug responsibly" will say the future advertisements in an attempt to curb the amount of problems or accidents or irresponsible behaviour that occurs when people are stoned..especially those that are really, really stoned.

If you are a recreational, non essential drug consumer you are not going to agree with that... I already know the drug consumer is going to have a clever retort as to why drug consumption is not the problem.
It is the person..not the drug they will argue.
That is true until after the person consumes the drug and the drug does make them impaired. Then it is the drug factor that increases the negative possibilities.
That should be obvious.
It is still the responsibility of the individual to conduct themselves correctly....but while stoned, the drug is an influencing factor in the responsible decisions you make relative to the irrisponsible decisions you make.
Like you thought it would be really funny to try and stand on the hood of your friends car and drive down the road at 30 miles per hour. Until you fell off and and broke your arm and 2 ribs along with a concussion to your head.
I personally witnessed some fine, irresponsible behaviour demonstrated by people very stoned on marijauna and they were otherwise responsible and law abiding citizens...until they got stoned and made drug induced irresponsible decisions that can be argued whould not have been made when they were lucid.
I am certain they would not have made the same irresponsible decisions if they had been sober.

But meantime the marijuana consumers state: Dont lump us all together and call us irresponsible when we are responsible law abiding citizens.

Ok...but not AS responsible as people who do not consume the drugs or alcohol and not as responsible decision makers when they are stoned to the max and having to carry on and perform all the same functions as they normally perform when sober.

You just shot yourself in the foot if you want to argue about responsibilities relative to the consumption of the NON ESSENTIAL, Recreational drugs that result in a altered mental and physical state.
You may be feeling good and having fun but your stoned condition can and sometimes is a liabilty to other people around you and or anyone you may come into contact with while you are stoned...especially if you are really, really stoned.


If you truly are a responsible person then you will not be consuming any substances at all that can and do "significantly" effect your mental and physical abilities which can and do effect other people around you.
That is not my opinion...that is a consensus!
And that is not a law related consenses.
If you decided to tie your feet together, then your ability to function would be impaired and you could easily fall down and hurt yourself and when you are falling down you may very well cause harm to other people around you.
It would be considered irresponsible of you to tie your feet together deliberately and test your ability to function normally while you have SELF impaired yourself.
When you get drunk or really high you have self impaired yourself.
It is known as "being mentally and physically impaired" and it can and does effect people around you if you are impaired because you made the irresponsible decision to get impaired in the first place.
Then make a further irresponsible decision to operate a motor vehicle while you are stoned or perform some other functions that require your attentions and focus 100 percent...especially when other people can / could and sometimes do suffer your impairment.

That is one of the main moral and legal arguments about drug consumption.

Plain and simple..it IS irresponsible to get stoned or drunk in the first place and then try to go about doing what has to be normally done while you are functioning in a altered mental and physical state.
If you fall down the stairs while you are drunk or stoned you can totally blame yourself, if you want, for making the decision to go down the stairs but most people will recognise the fact that you were very mentally and physically impaired by the drug or the alcohol and that was a significant factor as to why you fell down the stairs that particular time..when you were "self" impaired.
Do people fall down the stairs when they are sober? Of course they do..all the time ...but the total amount of people who would or do fall down the stairs is more, if and when a drug or alcohol is involved and when they are "self" impaired.
You can then seperate the incidents as incidents called accidents and incidents influenced by self impairment.
The drinking and driving laws did not evolve because the big, bad law enforcement people saw an opportunity to make money from the public so they created some money making laws.
And the nation wide organisation call MADD did not form because a bunch of women thought it would be a cool thing to form a organisation that seeks to lessen the impact on peoples lives because of drinking and driving related motor vehicle accidents.
I hope you dont drink and drive and I hope you dont drug and drive also.
By what you are saying , if and when you do get in an accident with another persons motor vehicle and it is recognised and proven, for the record, the person that was operating the other vehicle that slammed into the side of your vehicle and crippled you for life, was very high on marijuana at the time...you in all your wisdom are not even going to consider the drug factor???
You are going to argue on his behalf that it was / is ok that he was self impaired at the time he crashed into you.
You are going to whole heartedly agree that any mention of the drug is to be stricken from the record as it had nothing to do with the accident.
It is all about the responsibility and the drug is not a factor
The accident could have happened anyhow and you just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time when the self impaired and thoroughly stoned driver slammed into you.
OK.You believe that....butI will still come and visit you in the hospital and talk to you about fate and how the stoned driver is still out there continuing to drive around while self impaired and continually stoned.

If you just sit there and do nothing at all when you are stoned or drunk then more than likely nothing harmfull or negative will happen to you and or people around you.

It is a proven fact that when drunk or stoned, people try to carry on doing the normal everyday tasks, including driving. The increase in possible accidents and self inflicted harm and harm to others increases substantially.


I work in the heavy construction industry working with men and some women on projects as large as 3000 men and women.
Try working on a safety oriented construction sight and tell your co-workers you are a responsible drug consuming
co-worker and the drug has nothing to do with how well you perform along side of your lucid and sober co-workers while working in a dangerous and hazardous work place environment.
Try to argue your logic that says the drug has nothing to do with how you perform on the job site and it is all about responsibility.
They have a zero tolerance culture concerning the consumption of drugs or alcohol and any one found with drugs or alcohol in the construction site camp facilities is immediatly fired.
As a matter of fact you have to read and sign a document that says you will not consume them while you are under thier employment.

But go ahead and try to get away with it and see how long you last arguing the drug has nothing to do with your safety performance or lack of it while your stoned or drunk on the jobsite.

Yes ..your right ..it is "first" all about responsibilities and non essential, recreational drug consumption is irrisponsible.


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