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  3 BM a day and Constipation   #213042   6 y  2,021  † C †
  
  

  3 BM a day and Constipation

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  Hi,
  I just broke my 21 days Water Fast 10 days ago everything was fine until 3 days ago when i got constipation and the weird thing is that i have 2 or 3 BM a day.
  I'm not new to constipation, having it my whole life but after the fast i though that finally could get rid of it with healthy diet.
  Another thing is that I didn't add that many foods to my diet yet.
  I can list all the food that i ate if it help.

   
  

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  • Congrats on completing 21 days fast. How much w...   archus   6 y  1,603
    
    

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    Congrats on completing 21 days fast. How much water are you drinking? Yes, what foods have you had since you broke your fast, especially in last two days? You can do the following... 1. Dr ....

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    Congrats on completing 21 days fast.
    
    How much water are you drinking? Yes, what foods have you had since you broke your fast, especially in last two days?
    
    You can do the following...
    1. Drink warm water, all day, everyday, regularly, no cold stuff from the fridge. Drink 2-3 cups of warm water upon waking.
    2. After drinking water, stay seated in squatted position for at least 15 minutes, or till you get urge to go.
    3. Include all water rich foods, fruits and vegetables, you need fiber and roughage.
    4. Walk for 20 minutes three times a week.
    5. Take Trifala before bed for 3-4 days and then lay off. You need to let your body do the work.
    6. You may be lacking magnesium, take Epsom Salt in warm water or freshly squeezed juice from any fruit you like, first thing on empty stomach. One teaspoon for one day should work.
    7. Include probiotic foods in your meals, Kefir, Yogurt, Kimchi, Sauerkraut and Kombucha.
    8. Stay away from grains and milk products, except Yogurt.
    9. Eat liver enhancing herbs and do a liver flush.
    10. Do an enema for a few days.
    
    Hope this helps, most things mentioned above are to be made a routine, as mentioned some only be done for a few days.
    
    Best wishes.
    
    Archus

     
    

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    • thanks for reply, i think i drink 2 or 3 litter of...   #213042   6 y  1,553
      
      

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      thanks for reply, i think i drink 2 or 3 litter of room temperature water and herbal teas. 3 days ago started with herbal tea, then i ate quinoa with zucchini for lunch, in the afternoon i drank ....

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      thanks for reply, i think i drink 2 or 3 litter of room temperature water and herbal teas.
      3 days ago started with herbal tea, then i ate quinoa with zucchini for lunch, in the afternoon i drank another herbal tea and some boiled Broad beans,and for dinner i ate 4 leaf of buckwheat bread with about 100g steak and drink 3 glasses of kefir.
      2 days ago started with herbal tea again and 4 leaf of buckwheat bread with Lunch meats turkey, for lunch i ate green salad, in the afternoon i ate about 100g of chicken breast with some kefir, later in the afternoon i ate some fresh french fries, and later at night i ate 1 orange, some nuts, some vegetable soup, 4 dates, some cranberries, and some herbal teas before bed.
      Yesterday started with Celery juice, Lettuce and lemon salad, 2 oranges, carrot juice, some herbal tea, and last nigh i ate some nuts, 2 oranges, Lettuce and lemon salad.
      I started everyday with 150 billion probiotic capsule and 1g royal jelly one hour before food.
      

       
      

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      • Ok, after a long fast you really need to slowly bu...   archus   6 y  1,817
        
        

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        Ok, after a long fast you really need to slowly build your appetite. Meats should be avoided for at least as long as the number of days fasted, if not permanently avoided. Also too many incompatib ....

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        Ok, after a long fast you really need to slowly build your appetite. Meats should be avoided for at least as long as the number of days fasted, if not permanently avoided. Also too many incompatible food combinations. Nuts and fruits should be eaten on its own, mono meals. Check out food combining charts on google.
        
        You are drinking enough water, however it is not hydrating you, add two pinches of Sea Salt in one glass of water and drink that twice a day. If this does not help do salt Flush. Do not use white supermarket salt.
        
        Take care.
        
        Archus

         
        

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        • i waited to see how’s your direction effect me, ri...   #213042   6 y  1,478
          
          

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          i waited to see how’s your direction effect me, right now im following food combination chart and for past 2 days did 2 pinch sea salt in water 2 times, non effected me. today i did sea salt flus ....

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          i waited to see how's your direction effect me, right now im following food combination chart and for past 2 days did 2 pinch Sea Salt in water 2 times, non effected me.
          today i did Sea Salt flush about 6 hours ago and there is no BM so far

           
          

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          • Try enema or Castor oil in tea.   archus   6 y  1,531
            
            

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            Try enema or Castor oil in tea.

            Try enema or Castor oil in tea.
            
            

             
            

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  • Super congrats on the 21 day fast!! Sorry I don’...   Princess08   6 y  1,445
    
    

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    Super congrats on the 21 day fast!! Sorry I don’t know how to help but I wanted to say congrats!

    Super congrats on the 21 day fast!!
    Sorry I don’t know how to help but I wanted to say congrats!

     
    

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    • Re: 3 BM a day and Constipation   #213042   6 y  1,406
      
      

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      Re: 3 BM a day and Constipation

      thanks

       
      

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• Help! Sudden onset of allergy type symptoms.   #201657   7 y  869  † C †
  
  

  Help! Sudden onset of allergy type symptoms.

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  Hi!I started having allergic reactions to food.Last week I had miso soup and felt my lips were itchy, swelling with hot ear so I went to urgent care. They said it seemed to be a mild food allergy .Two days later I felt like my throat was closing and went to the ER.They said that as far as they can see my throat was not closing, gave me hormones anyway. Went to ER twice with that feeling. GP thinks it is GERD, should use my inhaler, take anti-acids,sleep propped up.The yellow stool/diarrhea that I have had since January has gotten runnier,worse.Have started getting rashes and stomach upset after eating previously fine foods. (yellow squash, ginger)Mostly eating kefir, meats and veggies hoping that somehow this will heal my gut.Introduced a 50billion probiotic resulting in rashes,seemingly increased sensitivity. Light white tongue coating.Could it be bacterial imbalance or parasites? Is there a test for that?Continue taking rash causing probiotics? Diet? Seeing allergy specialist. Diagnosed with adrenal fatigue.Thanks!

   
  

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  Benefit/Risk Usefulness of various "Kill" antimicr...   RRR Educational frostymug   8 y  6,556  † C †
  
  

  Benefit/Risk Usefulness of various "Kill" antimicrobials used to treat dysbiosis

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  I found the following analysis from the most excellent book about dysbiosis "The Gut Health Protocol" by John G. Herron. If you suffer from yeast infection of the gut, SIFO, SIBO, irritable bowel syndrome, fructose malabsorption, or leaky gut I cannot recommend this book highly enough. You must read it. It is based on science, not wives tales.
  
  Natural “Kill” Supplements Listed by Risk/ Benefit
  
  The following chart lists various “kill” supplements based on a risk/ benefit basis (presented best to worst). I came up with this chart based on a variety of scientific studies (many listed in this section).
  
  1. Cinnamon Oil – VH/ L/ L, @100 µ/ ml #1
  
  2. Clove Oil – VH/ L/ L @300 µ/ ml #1
  
  3. Turmeric (see Chapter 2) - H/ VL/ VL #2
  
  4. Allicin (made from garlic) – VH/ L/ L #2
  
  5. Coconut Oil – M/ L/ VL #2
  
  6. Caprylic Acid - H/ L/ VL #2
  
  7. Ginger M/ L/ L# 2
  
  8. Olive Leaf Extract H/ M/ M #2
  
  9. Pau D’Arco H/ M/ M #2
  
  10. Berberine M/ L-M/ L #2
  
  11. Neem L/ L/ L #2
  
  12. Oregano Oil - L-M/ H/ H #1, #3
  
  13. Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE) – VH/ VH/ H
  
  14. Nano / Colloidal Silver – VH / VH / H
  
  KEY: Ratings above are listed as follows:
  
  “Kills Pathogens / Kills Beneficial Bacteria / Risk to GI” VH = Very High
  
  Notes:
  
  #1 - See PubMed #16430506209, information taken from the full study, as well as from other research studies. Including DOI: 10.1186/ 1472-6882-6-39, and several other studies (some listed below).
  
  #2 - Information compiled from various sources and was not included in the study above. These supplements are not known to overly harm beneficial bacteria or damage the microbiome and are OK to take during the maintenance phase. According to research studies this supplement has been shown to harm pathogenic bacteria.
  
  #3 - Was not included in the full test protocol due to poor effectiveness, therefore no dosing mentioned.
  
  Herron, John. The Gut Health Protocol: A Nutritional Approach To Healing SIBO, Intestinal Candida, GERD, Gastritis, and other Gut Health Issues (Kindle Locations 2388-2395). Eagle Stock Publishing. Kindle Edition.
  
  I just wanted to mention that according to these studies it would be wise to avoid taking oregano oil (unless it is extremely small amounts such as a drop or two), grapefruit seed extract, or Colloidal Silver because of their damaging effect on beneficial bacteria in the gut. Think about it. The number one cause of dysbiosis is broad spectrum Antibiotics . Oregano oil, grapefruit seed extract, Colloidal Silver , (and or course turpentine) are all broad spectrum Antibiotics . They kill too much and too well. Avoid them.
  

   
  

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  • Thanks for the time and work you have gone to putt...   stillbattling   8 y  5,305
    
    

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    Thanks for the time and work you have gone to putting together this information. I was unable to access the PubMed article and was wondering if these ”kill” supplements worked for other pathoge ....

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    Thanks for the time and work you have gone to putting together this information.
    
    I was unable to access the PubMed article and was wondering if these "kill" supplements worked for other pathogens than candida.
    
    I'm very interesting in trying the top few but have no clue how to measure such small quantities. Any help you can give will be appreciated.

     
    

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    • If you get the book you will find out that the cin...   frostymug   8 y  5,341
      
      

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      If you get the book you will find out that the cinnamon oil he recommends is cinnamon bark oil, not cinnamon cassia oil. I dilute my oils. I start with 4 ounces (1\2 cup) of coconut oil and add 1 ....

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      If you get the book you will find out that the cinnamon oil he recommends is cinnamon bark oil, not cinnamon cassia oil. I dilute my oils. I start with 4 ounces (1\2 cup) of coconut oil and add 1 tablespoon of cinnamon oil and one tablespoon of clove oil and mix thoroughly. Then I get an eye dropper and fill an empty 00 gelatin capsule with the mixture, cap it and swallow.
      
      These "kill" supplements listed are effective against candida as well as pathogenic bacteria. Reading his book I was amazed at how similar the protocol is to treating candida as it is to treating SIBO.
      
      Also, he says that you will not be successful battling your dysbiosis by taking "kill" supplements and/or probiotics alone. Candida and bacterial overgrowth thrive on carbohydrates. You must eliminate Sugar entirely during treatment and reduce carbs to very low levels while you do battle with your condition. The more strict you are, the faster you will recover. And I would be remiss if I didn't also mention how biofilms must be addressed during your kill phase. Biofilms must be dissolved using various enzymes in order to expose the yeast\bacteria to the antimicrobials. If you don't take biofilm busters, the condition will bloom again once you go off the diet.
      
      Again, it would be better if you read the book. I can't put everything down in one or two paragraphs.
      
      https://www.amazon.com/Gut-Health-Protocol-Nutritional-Intestinal/dp/1535581220/
      
      P.S. Don't judge the book by the cover. The cover looks real cheezy. The book is much better than the cover.

       
      

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      • So do you think these oils are good at killing can...   blackhole   8 y  5,056
        
        

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        So do you think these oils are good at killing candida? Is it not better to take things that don’t kill you good bacteria? Or do you think it just grows back once you kill the yeast?

        So do you think these oils are good at killing candida? Is it not better to take things that don't kill you good bacteria? Or do you think it just grows back once you kill the yeast?

         
        

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        • These oils are excellent antifungals. As a bonus t...   frostymug   8 y  5,411
          
          

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          These oils are excellent antifungals. As a bonus they do not kill the good friendly bacteria (probiotics) in the gut. I will say again that the most important thing in dealing with candidiasis ....

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          These oils are excellent antifungals. As a bonus they do not kill the good friendly bacteria (probiotics) in the gut.
          
          I will say again that the most important thing in dealing with candidiasis is DIET. Antifungals is second. If you are diligent in these, perhaps after 3 months you can progress to the restore and replace phase where probiotics and prebiotics will bring back balance to the gut biome.
          
          Most of the yeast lives in the colon and I am a big believer in enemas for this. After having bowel movement, do a couple of cleanse enemas. Water and ACV plus salt is fine. It doesn't really matter that much what kind of enema you use for cleanse as long as it is somewhat acidic. Never use baking soda. The purpose is to get as much poo out of the colon as possible. After cleanse you do a retention enema. You can do either a nystatin enema using about 1\2 teaspoonful of nystatin powder OR you can do a saccharomyces boulardii enema using about 3 capsules in distilled water. dvjorge who was an expert contributor here on the Candida Forum was a BIG proponent of doing saccharomyces boulardii retention enemas. Saccharomyces boulardii is a yeast but not pathogenic. It is the active ingredient in Florastor. It acts powerfully against canida. But because it is a yeast you cannot mix it with antifungals. So you would not want to mix nystatin (or any antiungal) with saccharomyces boulardii. With retenion enemas you do not expel them. You let the solution stay up there. So don't make a giant retention enema solution because you won't be able to hold it. Start with 4 oz. and if no problems you can move up to 6 oz.
          
          I am completely cured of candida now and let me tell you, it was the hardest thing I've ever done. I almost gave up. I now believe that it can be cured in 6 months for really bad cases, 3 months for typical cases. Good luck.
          
          Candida become pathogenic in basic pH conditions and is benign in acidic environments. Don't believe people who suggest taking baking soda or anything to raise pH when dealing with candida. Your gut needs acid to digest food PROPERLY and to create a hostile environment for pathogens. Betaine HCl tablets would be a good idea to take as a supplement.

           
          

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          • Benign in acidic conditions...? Sounds wonky-?   #39806   8 y  4,862
            
            

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            Benign in acidic conditions...? Sounds wonky-?

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            "Candida become pathogenic in basic pH conditions and is benign in acidic environments. Don't believe people who suggest taking baking soda or anything to raise pH when dealing with candida. Your gut needs acid to digest food PROPERLY and to create a hostile environment for pathogens. Betaine HCl tablets would be a good idea to take as a supplement."
            
            Question!
            Aren't you talking about stomach PH levels here and not PH levels throughout the whole gut? I agree with the advice you give. H.Pylori is known to lower stomach PH by disabling acid formation in the stomach wall.
            But from my reading, it is stomach acid that kills of most of the bacteria in food and triggers bile release, and bile is known as a quite base PH (at least it's supposed to be) element-
            That the bile carries the enzymes and digestive juices from the pancreas so that the food is met with all the necessary materials to lock up protiens, fats and such to prevent small intestine fermentation, And that it was an acidic environment in the gut that creates a painful overgrowth...?
            
            Please reply with what you've read if I've got the summary wrong.
            It makes sense to avoid sodium bicarb especially orally so that the stomach lining isn't disturbed further/microbes like pylori encouraged.
            
            Have had several folk point out that betain HCL stops heartburn for them!

             
            

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      • Re: Benefit/Risk Usefulness of various "Kill" anti...   blackhole   8 y  5,014
        
        

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        Re: Benefit/Risk Usefulness of various "Kill" antimicrobials used to treat dysbiosis

        I brought the book :) the cinnamon oil bark is it like the essential oil? You can get on eBay? Are you taking three a day of your capsules that you make at home?

         
        

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        • Before you even contemplate using Cinnamon essenti...   BrightSideOfLife   8 y  5,203
          
          

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          Before you even contemplate using Cinnamon essential oil, read on the web about the harm that it can create!!!!!!! It can be really nasty stuff which is far too strong to take internally. I tho ....

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          Before you even contemplate using Cinnamon essential oil, read on the web about the harm that it can create!!!!!!!
          
          It can be really nasty stuff which is far too strong to take internally. I thought that it might provide the strong anti biotic effect I wanted before I read about the damage it can create in the human body. The research shows how strong the anti biotic effect is but that is only in a petri dish and not inside the human body.
          
          Be warned before you do yourself irreversible harm.

           
          

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          • I dilute the oils with coconut oil as my previous ...   frostymug   8 y  5,166
            
            

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            I dilute the oils with coconut oil as my previous post outlines. The research shows no harm to the gut biome from taking small amounts of either cinnamon oil or clove oil. I took them for 6 months ....

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            I dilute the oils with coconut oil as my previous post outlines. The research shows no harm to the gut biome from taking small amounts of either cinnamon oil or clove oil. I took them for 6 months with no ill effects. The two essential oils that I know should never be taken in any amounts is tea tree oil and wintergreen oil. Thanks for your input.

             
            

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            • Even tea tree oil has been taken in up to 5-10 dro...   #39806   8 y  4,904
              
              

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              Even tea tree oil has been taken in up to 5-10 drops per cup of water and been tolerated well (by the people who choose to try it, like me.) The body likes essential oils, infectious gut buggers h ....

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              Even tea tree oil has been taken in up to 5-10 drops per cup of water and been tolerated well (by the people who choose to try it, like me.) The body likes essential oils, infectious gut buggers hate it, and there's the toxic link. (Dieoff is very hard on the body!)
              
              After researching Turpentine parasite cleanse therapy, though, it's necessary to have a good mineral intake to protect the kidneys from damage on high Turpentine intake (proper turpentine, pine essential oil from gum resin).
              
              Cinnamon essential oil is part of several candies and self-treatments. Products like doTerra's DDR Prime blend use cinnamon in their capsules for oral use, a heavy bomb against gut flora that's gone bonkers.

               
              

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        • NOW Foods makes a good cinnamon oil. Vitacost and ...   frostymug   8 y  5,069
          • Thanks for helping. The book brilliant so many lin...   blackhole   8 y  4,975
          • Just wondered if you found any prebiotic that help...   blackhole   8 y  4,957
            • Don’t even think about taking prebiotics in the be...   frostymug   8 y  5,184
              • Thanks very interested in what you got to say:) I...   blackhole   8 y  5,042
                • I also recommend taking lactoferrin 250 mg. twice ...   frostymug   8 y  5,228
                  • Thank you I will try :)   blackhole   8 y  4,870
          • Hi frostymug, I’m just researching essential oil b...   candida1234   7 y  3,940
            • Dont use NOW foods brand internally. Youngliving i...   #177404   7 y  4,270
            • Yes, those brands are fine. I only take the oils e...   frostymug   7 y  4,240
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  Liver pain after olive leaf extract   Aerose91   8 y  3,038  † C †
  
  

  Liver pain after olive leaf extract

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  I recently did a stool test for SIBO and it came back
  
  4+ citrobacter freundii
  4+ klebsellia oxytoca
  
  The citrobacter showed susceptibility to uva ursi and the klebsellia was resistent to everything. However, ive seen people have success against klebsellia with olive leaf extract so i decided to try that.
  
  While eating low FODMAP I first did a week of uva ursi, then replaced that with the o.l.e. No problems while on the uva but a few days after the o.l.e. i started getting a dull, achy pain in my liver and feeling pretty lethargic. I stopped for a few days and the pain didn't subside so i thought it may not be the olive leaf and started up again. Within an hour my liver was hurting worse and the lethargy was back.
  
  The uva ursi was the one i was worried about liver issues with, not the olive leaf. However it has been the other way around. The problem is i stopped a week ago now and the liver pain hasnt improved at all. I have no other symptoms that would make me think herx or detox and no amount of coffee enemas, Epsom Salt baths or juicing has helped.
  
  I've done 6 Liver Flushes in the past year and always get some stones out but never anything to write home about. I had also done one about 2 weeks before starting the o.l.e.
  
  Any thoughts? Im pretty stumped.

   
  

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  • For some folks it takes many flushes back to back ...   Steve888   8 y  2,766
    
    

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    For some folks it takes many flushes back to back to get stones out that are in the liver which it sounds like what you are dealing with. Taking olive leaf will kill pathogens/parasites which have ....

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    For some folks it takes many flushes back to back to get stones out that are in the liver which it sounds like what you are dealing with. Taking olive leaf will kill pathogens/ parasites which have to be filtered by the liver. If the liver is already under stress from stones this may cause more pain from a heavier load for the liver to process.

     
    

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    • If it were an overload of toxins then wouldn’t i h...   Aerose91   8 y  2,586
      
      

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      If it were an overload of toxins then wouldn’t i have other herx type symptoms, too? I have nothing besides the liver pain and it has persistent for a week after stopping olive leaf

      If it were an overload of toxins then wouldn't i have other herx type symptoms, too? I have nothing besides the liver pain and it has persistent for a week after stopping olive leaf

       
      

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      • There doesnt necessarily have to be a herx if your...   Steve888   8 y  2,815
        
        

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        There doesnt necessarily have to be a herx if your liver is overloaded. I would continue with flushes until you get stones out.

        There doesnt necessarily have to be a herx if your liver is overloaded. I would continue with flushes until you get stones out.

         
        

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        • Start taking turmeric powder for the bacterial inf...   WhoAreYouNormally   8 y  2,776
          
          

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          Start taking turmeric powder for the bacterial infections, I think it works specifically on klebsiella. Get a hair mineral test! Maybe start taking msm. Agree with steve, there is no exac ....

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          Start taking turmeric powder for the bacterial infections, I think it works specifically on klebsiella.
          
          Get a hair mineral test!
          
          Maybe start taking msm.
          
          Agree with steve, there is no exact herx symptom that indicates liver congestion.
          
          Olive leaf is a very strong Antibiotic and could also be killing off lyme and related bugs. Go slow with it.
          
          Have you had any imaging done on your liver?
          
          Liver needs sugars to make and store glycogen. Rethink a low sugar/carb/fruit diet if you are on one. And especially after you start doing flushes.
          
          
          
          

           
          

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          • No imaging done but i do take turmeric. The proble...   Aerose91   8 y  2,573
            
            

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            No imaging done but i do take turmeric. The problem with carbs/fermentable foods is they make me much worse. My SIBO is really bad so i have to stick with low FODMAPS until i can clear the infecti ....

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            No imaging done but i do take turmeric. The problem with carbs/fermentable foods is they make me much worse. My SIBO is really bad so i have to stick with low FODMAPS until i can clear the infections, otherwise I'm just making them stronger

             
            

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            • Google around for ayurvedic online dosha test and ...   WhoAreYouNormally   8 y  2,665
              
              

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              Google around for ayurvedic online dosha test and report back and then I’ll give you some better ideas so you can eat normally. The problem with these meaty diets is they work only in the short ....

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              Google around for ayurvedic online dosha test and report back and then I'll give you some better ideas so you can eat normally.
              
              The problem with these meaty diets is they work only in the short term. If you're trapped in a chronic situation then eventually excess protein will work against you and make your liver weaker.
              
              I think olive leaf is too strong for you right now.
              
              One way or the other you will have to work on your liver, whether it's slowly with herbs, diet, liver flushes, coffee enema, or something else. Your brain symptoms will abate considerably when you start to move the junk out of the liver.
              
              The correct ayurvedic diet should give you good bump with your adrenal symptoms and chill everything out.
              
              Then to get deeper get a hair test to find out your mineral deficiencies and metal toxicities.
              
              
              
              
              
              
              
              
              

               
              

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  • If you aren’t too sensitive to caffeine make some ...   WhoAreYouNormally   8 y  2,791
    
    

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    If you aren’t too sensitive to caffeine make some extra strong lipton tea, boiled down two parts water to one part. The tannins in tea and other foods work well against gram negative bacteria. Any ....

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    If you aren't too sensitive to caffeine make some extra strong lipton tea, boiled down two parts water to one part. The tannins in tea and other foods work well against gram negative bacteria. Any bright colored food that has staining properties will also work, and while you're at it try some low dose Lugol's Iodine like 1-3 drops.
    
    If you can tolerate dairy make your own yogurt or kefir.
    
    You also need to feed your flora with soluble fiber, I don't know how strict the fodmap diet is but if you avoid all carbs and fermentable fiber then your flora will not have a chance. Food preparation is they key to dealing with sibo and carbs. I would say for now don't eat anything raw at all and fry things you like in coconut oil and see how that helps.
    
    I had some old posts about how frying coconut oil may release the lauric acid or make it more assimilable and a few people had massive candida die-off and release just from doing this.
    
    You can also try clove tea and see if it will knock out either of these infections.
    
    Long term is another issue and sibo is a long term thing. Cartilege broth (not bone broth) is excellent.
    
    If you tolerate fats well then saturated fats should help: unrefined red palm oil, coconut oil, ghee.
    
    Salt is another big one, and dependent on your dosha can help a lot with sibo and adrenal.
    
    
    
    

     
    

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  Hydrogen Peroxide problems   Aerose91   8 y  2,830  † C †
  
  

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  Hi guys,
  
  I want to get others' opinions on something i have going on. I have M.E., bartonella encephalopathy and a pretty bad case of SIBO. If i eat anything with any Sugar or carb value i get intense fatigue and brain fog for several hours afterward.
  
  Recently i tried a small amount of hydrogen peroxide to see if i could kill off some bacteria & yeast in my intestine. I took half of the recommended starting doasage as im really sensitive to nearly everything (1/8 teaspoon in 32 oz water)
  
  Within a minute or two of drinking 4 oz, lights started to get much brighter and i got very tired. I only drank 4 more 4 oz glasses throughout the next 2 days and i had to stop because my brain symptoms were getting out of hand. It's been almost 2 weeks now since stopping and nothing has subsided, in fact many things seem worse. I eat a low FODMAP diet and even eating that, i react so, so badly anytime i eat. Intense brain fog and muscle weakness, confusion almost to the point of psychosis and a tiredness ive never felt. This last the whole rest of the day
  
  If i knew this was a die-off i would have no problem dealing with it and pushing on. However, considering my SIBO symptoms actually got WORSE along with still having photophobia and more memory problems than usual, im not convinced it's that. Plus, ive had die off before and it was nothing like this. Any ideas? Im slightly concerned i may have added too much O2 to a system already high in oxidative stress.
  
  Thank you for any help.

   
  

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  • Hello, That sounds really difficu...   Bugbuster   8 y  2,338
    
    

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    Hello, That sounds really difficult and I am sorry to hear that you dealing with all of these issues. I had Lyme and Morgellons at the same time and one thing that I ....

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    Hello,

    That sounds really difficult and I am sorry to hear that you dealing with all of these issues.

    I had Lyme and Morgellons at the same time and one thing that I learned is that Morgellons doesn't like.

    hydrogen peroxide because it kills Morgellons.

    I used h.p. internally and externally on the sores and it would burn like heck.

    One thing that crossed my mind when I was reading your post was that you might have Mogellons because

    it is common to have both.

    I hope it isn't but it may be something to consider since the Herx reaction can happen with hp internally.

    Also, Morgellons causes a lot of fatigue and depression. One time I was laying with my head on a far infrared pad and

    when I got up i had vertigo really bad and had to crawl to the other room.

    Let us know how you are doing,

    BB

     

     
    

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  Detox or Food Intolerance - Extreme Fatigue   fakebloom   8 y  1,420  † C †
  
  

  Detox or Food Intolerance - Extreme Fatigue

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  I'm just not sure if I'm actually healing or just stagnating . . .
  
  I was experiencing depression, brain fog, fatigue, bloating etc, and got rid of most of that by cutting out grains and legumes.
  
  Unfortunately, I still am sooooooo tired. I'll just need to sleep either after meals or sometimes in the middle of the day for no reason.
  
  I don't bloat anymore after getting rid of grains and legumes so I don't really know if I'm actually reacting to the foods I eat still (meat, veg, some fruit).
  
  My tongue is looking better (way less cracks), although it's still scalloped and white at the back.
  
  I'm wondering if I'm just detoxing??? Someone suggested I may be allergic to FODMAPS, but I assumed I would at least get bloating from them (instead of just fatigue) if I was having trouble digesting them.
  
  Any thoughts? How can one differentiate between detox and a food allergy ?

   
  

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  • Well I also have fatigue, and only recently (2 wee...   Never surrender   8 y  1,240
    
    

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    Well I also have fatigue, and only recently (2 weeks ago) I could greatly improve this fatigue, the point is that even cutting gluten, dairy, all grains, starch, nuts ... in a very radical diet by ....

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    Well I also have fatigue, and only recently (2 weeks ago) I could greatly improve this fatigue, the point is that even cutting gluten, dairy, all grains, starch, nuts ... in a very radical diet by eating only meat , eggs (they do not cause me trouble), few fruits, and plenty of leafy vegetables. This diet was best for my symptoms and fatigue, but what really helped me was recently supplemental iodine, I had detox reactions of heavy metals (supplementation lugol), otherwise, the himalayan salt helped me a lot with energy also, but maybe you have problem with fructose, the fruit that I use are very limited, they may not have much fructose, the ideal in this case is to consume little fructose, eat more protein and fat. I'm still not 100%, but I can do activities without feeling heavy and exhausted as before. So that's it, try Iodine ...

     
    

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  • Only dieting will not fight fatigue, will end up w...   Never surrender   8 y  1,178
    
    

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    Only dieting will not fight fatigue, will end up with depression, anxiety ... I also suffer with this, I eliminated all symptoms of depression, anxiety, delirium, confusion, my mind is great, but ....

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    Only dieting will not fight fatigue, will end up with depression, anxiety ... I also suffer with this, I eliminated all symptoms of depression, anxiety, delirium, confusion, my mind is great, but fatigue it is still present .... but is improving and I'm sure I'll finish it very quickly

     
    

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• GAPS diet vs "The paleo approach"   thathippieguy   9 y  795  † C †
  
  

  GAPS diet vs "The paleo approach"

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  Hey all
  
  In preparation for the next phase of my cleansing/healing, im trying to find a diet that will help reseal the gut while cleansing candida and restoring microbial balance
  
  I also plan to experiment with "The Pulse Test" as recommended by Jaguar (Mike Forrest)
  
  Both of these diets look promising and there is a book for each one
  
  Any experience?
  
  I've developed tons of food intolerances and feel so much more tired after doing a fruitarian cleanse this summer, though I did kill off a lot of worms
  
  Thanks guys
  

   
  

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  DEFICIENCIES to have in mind   DesertLili   9 y  2,989  † C †
  
  

  DEFICIENCIES to have in mind

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  I RE-POST THIS INFORMATION, BECAUSE I FIND MANY PEOPLE ARE HAVING DEFICIENCY SYMPTOMS, WHILE NORMAL BLOOD RESULTS CAN NOT IDENTIFY MANY OF THE DEFICIENCIES.
  
  It is possible to develop deficiencies, if the food is grown on poor soils (almost always the case now; this is why animal growers always supplement the cattle with vitamins and minerals in the western world; when we stop eating animal product we suddenly drop that transferred through the animal supplementation; it is best in my opinion to avoid the re-introduction of animal product, but to supplement as a regular practice -- until be get to produce our own plants on a rich soil ....)
  I am not sure how Drs can rule out deficiencies, since there are many and some are obvious (given the mineral, eg.g. magnesium, is rather intra-cellular, so blood test is unrealiable).
  You can try few.
  B-complex for nerves and brain function, will also make muscles work better due to better innervation. Zinc, Glucosamine, Shark cartilage (I know it is not vegan/vegetarian, but if you need it - you need it) or better Great lakes hydrolyzed gelatin (there is grass feed too - the green one), Copper, and increase avocados - for joints.
  Magnesium citrate, potassium bicarbonate (don't do more than a 1/2 tsp in the beginning) for everything, together with Sea Salt , Lugols' drops 2 incresed to 10, by a drop a week, a day, Coral calcium, 2 tbsp a day of flax seed - freshly ground - for everything.
  CoQ 10, acytl-L carnitine, Branch chain amino acids, creatine, Tangy Tangerine 2.0 (good taste and combines many supps - you can start with only that one, and it is not cheap) for energy.
  I know it is lot, but use your intuition where to start and vary the supps over time, seeing in the process which ones help you best. It is not cheap, you can try Swanson - they have good and not soo good brands, but you can get good prices. Also the Brand NOW is affordable there.
  Let us know how you are doing.
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  • DL, Good info. What can you do about checking w...   archus   9 y  2,190
    
    

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    DL, Good info. What can you do about checking where does the food come from? There is no information available that helps us figure out in what type of soil conditions the fruits and veggies we ....

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    DL,
    
    Good info. What can you do about checking where does the food come from? There is no information available that helps us figure out in what type of soil conditions the fruits and veggies were grown and then wether they were picked before they ripen or not. There are a few ways we can be sure to know these things, one, buying organic and buying from a local farm you are familiar with. Oh! and one other way is to use refractometer.
    
    So I agree we need some supplements. When I was growing up we bought fruits and veggies from the market which was picked same day, we ate most of it the same day. Next day went to the market again. Also Wheat flour was made daily in a home mill and never we used the flour next day. So those days are gone.
    
    I think you have a good idea to grow your own stuff, but how much can you grow?
    
    Thanks for the post.
    
    Archus
    
    

     
    

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    • Hi Archus! I would have to retire and go to a war...   DesertLili   9 y  2,159
      
      

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      Hi Archus! I would have to retire and go to a warmer place to grow my food :) My parents are doing it, but they live far away and it is a huge work and they have to preserve a big quantity for t ....

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      Hi Archus!
      I would have to retire and go to a warmer place to grow my food :) My parents are doing it, but they live far away and it is a huge work and they have to preserve a big quantity for the winter. ... I can't afford yet a refractometer, but it is on my list. Good reminder, thank you.
      I've seen hydroponic growing, which is quite effective - producing a family greens on a 6x6x6 feet of space plus selling to the market. One person although has to do that as a part-time job and the other - to deliver every day in the morning to shops. They also heat it in the winter - located in the northern states, running it non-stop. I don't feel I want to do that, but hey, who knows I may have my tomato-pepper garden at some future point :) I would also opt for fruit trees and Gingko biloba, together with walnut trees and lots of different herbs - at least in the summer time :))
      I try check all the labels that are on the produce I buy. I can't even go to the farmer's market, so as of now my food being organic for at least 60% is quite expensive. There is no ideal way of knowing the soils. Making friends with farmers would be one of the things to do, indeed.
      When I buy non-organic I usually choose local produce, it tastes better and was gathered not like a month ago (hopefully), I also try to stick with produce that visually isn't a Frankenstein's deed. I know for sure seedless is more often than not GMO-ed, as well as tomato with fishy smell (have genes form fish); papaya, soy, corn, alphalpha - I would buy only if labeled organic.
      I also put my fruits and vegetable next to the window under indirect sun and they ripen further, getting a better taste and more solar energy. As to nutrients - I supplement a lot. I feel tired and out of shape if I don't. I use periodically everything I mentioned.
      DL

       
      

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      • DL, This is scary, tomatoes with fish gene? I c...   archus   9 y  2,098
        
        

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        DL, This is scary, tomatoes with fish gene? I cannot believe this, I have to do some research on what brands do this. I use only organic toms, so delicious. A story about toms. I usually gro ....

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        DL,
        
        This is scary, tomatoes with fish gene? I cannot believe this, I have to do some research on what brands do this. I use only organic toms, so delicious.
        
        A story about toms. I usually grow some herbs like tulsi and basil in my balcony, in pots. I had also thrown some organic lemon seeds and they are growing, small plants of course, but one day I saw this funny plant and I realized both new plants were tomatoes, I have never planted tomatoes but must dropped some seeds from my collection of lemon seeds, I guess while chopping my salad they must have gotten mixed.
        
        Wow I have home grown tomatoes, they are growing fast, I thought with the weather cooling down the plants will die, but the weather has been pretty hot and they are growing fast.
        
        I cannot wait to try them.
        
        Archus

         
        

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        • They are trying to deny the tomato being available...   DesertLili   9 y  2,105
          
          

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          They are trying to deny the tomato being available at the stores. ... but I have smelt the fishy odor in these pink, hard as gum, frost resistant tomatoes ... can’t fool me. http://www.mothere ....

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          They are trying to deny the tomato being available at the stores. ... but I have smelt the fishy odor in these pink, hard as gum, frost resistant tomatoes ... can't fool me.
          
          http://www.motherearthnews.com/real-food/adding-a-fish-gene-into-tomatoes-zmaz00amzgoe.aspx
          
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_tomato
          
          Sounds like you are having fun growing stuff :) I got from you the idea about sprouting mung - this i the only thing I can do now. BTW there is that Vogel's 4-level sprouter that saves 50% of the work and yields sprouts faster :)
          

           
          

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  • Fulvic acid / soils   DesertLili   9 y  2,257
    
    

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    Fulvic acid / soils

    You can augment the supplementation efficacy through Fulvic acid, which is conmsuming either wild plants rich in it, or capsules, or better and cheaper yet - powder in water.
    This will also save you money on supplements.

     
    

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  GERD? Motility Disorder? What the heck is it?   Kayla997   9 y  2,527  † C †
  
  

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  Hello all, I’ll try to make this as short as possible. Over two years ago I had GERD symptoms & was put on omprazole, had an endoscopy done, and a pH level probe test. Endoscopy came back normal. I was told I had a lazy lower esophageal sphincter, but I never got my full pH results because I moved out of state and the doctor never returned my call. I began feeling dizzy, nauseated, and out of it when I took the omeprozole, so I stopped taking it slowly. I learned of low stomach acid and have been taking probiotics & apple cider vinegar pills for about two years. Symptoms had 90% been cured!
  
  Now my symptoms are flaring up again. I feel very full all the time, have indigestion pain/pressure in my chest and ribs, feeling like something is stuck in my throat, diarrhea, constipation, cramps, and MAJOR regurgitation. I reluctantly saw a new gastro who ordered blood work & a Barium swallow. She said both came back normal and put me on Zantac. To get to the bottom of the high/low acid debate, I requested a copy of my old pH results from two years ago. It said my upper sphincter was normal, but I had very little esophageal pressure in my lower sphincter. It also says I had failed 70% of my swallows, but my acid level was normal. Says that my esophagus has abnormal peristalsis. Basically says I have a dysfunctional esophagus and should have been taken off of omeprazole because he didn’t think my issues were acid related at all. I know these findings are old, but I'm putting my faith into them because I have no other leads.
  
  Soooo, I stumbled across motility disorders based on my results. What the heck is a motility disorder exactly? Is it just a general umbrella for a dysfunctional esophagus? And what on earth can be done about it? I really want to try to help myself naturally. I've been eating small meals, chewing lots, avoiding your usual reflux culprits, etc. and it's not helping. I know surgery is an option but that's scary and I'm not 100% sure what's wrong. Is there something else that mimics these symptoms other then GERD?
  
  THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ANY ADVICE! I just need to chat with people who know where I'm coming from 
  
  

   
  

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  • Doctors always go the wrong way and advise compl...   slowsmile   9 y  2,534
    
    

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    Doctors always go the wrong way and advise completely the wrong thing for GERD and Reflux. Drug PPIs are a huge danger to both your intestines and your immune system. GERD and Reflux aren’t ....

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    Doctors always go the wrong way and advise completely the wrong thing for GERD and Reflux. Drug PPIs are a huge danger to both your intestines and your immune system.

    GERD and Reflux aren't caused by high stomach acid -- it's caused by stomach acid that's way too low. Don't believe me? Then do a google search on "GERD low stomach acid" and see what that tells you.

    Here's my cure for GERD, Reflux and Low Stmoch acid. See this link.

    If you still don't believe that GERD is caused by low stomach then just ask your doc for a Heidelberg Test(google it). That will tell you  whether you have too little or excessive stomach acid.

     
    

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