Good fasting procedure? 
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Hi Shelleycat!
I know that your forum isn't the fasting one, but I trust you so much more than anyone else! :)
I just finished my first Liver Flush a while ago, and I want to do a good fasting procedure. I'm 23 years old, female, about 100 lbs. I've been reading about Water Fasting and it's remarkable effects. Do you recommend water fasting? Or any other type of fasting for my age? I just want to cleanse my body.
Also, is it safe to exercise moderately/heavily while fasting?
Thank you so much!
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- Re: Good fasting procedure? shelleycat
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Hiya!
I do know a bit about fasting, just couldn't list EVERYthing I know about in the title of the forum! I was so shocked when the forum was offered I didn't even think of what to call it, the name was Spirit's idea so I left it at that. Probably holistic healing would have been a better title. :)
What kind of fast you do is best decided by age, prior cleansing and body type. If you've not done ANY kind of cleansing such as colonics, P&B shakes, then you're better off doing a juice fast with P&B shakes and tea, not just water.
If you've already thoroughly cleansed your colon and are a Kapha Dosha, then a Water Fast may be just the thing.
It also depends on your goals. If you have arthritis, a long fast is recommended. If you just want to rest your body, or cleanse your organs, three to five days is really all you need. It's a good idea to fast one day out of the month.
Vata types have to be very careful with fasts and rarely need a pure water fast.
Exercise, except for light walking, is never recommended during a fast. Exercise means more toxins to eliminate (lactic acid) and when fasting, the body needs to go into healing mode, not building mode. If you feel really tired and weak you should stop.
the part that most people get REALLY wrong is breaking the fast. How you break the fast is just as important as the fast itself. If you pig out on the wrong thing, you'll be praying to the porcelain god! ;)
So let me know whihc Dosha you are, your past cleansing history, goals, ailments, and I'll be able to recommend a fast for you. :)Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 381,768Shelly, I'm on a raw diet now and starting my juice fast tomorrow. What do you think I should do as part of my regime? I'm planning on adding flax oil and P&B shakes and maybe even olive oil. But how much and when to add these things? Also, when and how often should I do salt flushes?
I'm not sure wat exactly to juice. I bought organic carrots the other day and am planning on juicing those. Is it okay to drink soy milk during a juice fast? I just made my own soy milk today (with no sugar!). Is it okay to juice inorganic veges and fruits or does that defeat the point of a detox?
What do u think of Dr. Christopher's 3 Day CLeanse btw? I'm planning to do it during my juice fast.
thanks for all your help shellycat!- Re: Good fasting procedure? shelleycat
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Sweetie, you still haven't told me anything about your health issues, whether your tongue is coated, your body type/Dosha, so I really cannot in good conscience make any recommendations on how to fast except stop fasting if you don't feel good.
It is definitely pointless to juice inorganic veggies. You'll just be ODing on pesticides!
Soy milk should never be drunk. Soy should only be eaten as tofu, and even then only in small amounts like the Japanese do in Miso. Soy messes with the thyroid.
Figure on doing about 3 salt flushes a week, 1 tblspoon flax oil, 2x a day.Advertisement
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- Re: Good fasting procedure? kathy1009
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This is a reply to # 381,975Hi shellycat. It's me. Kathy. Flimbs started posting this msg for me but now I'll take over. =)
TO answer your questions. My dosha type is Pitta, but I'm not muscular. hihihi....=) I'm just a lil' Asian gurl with big legs and then a thin upper body. My tongue is not coated. I excercise 5-7 times a week and eat only 2 full meals a day. I ALWAYS skip dinner cuz my body doesnt do well with digesting food at night. Plus I hardly ever feel hungry at night. I bruise really easily and also scar really easily. I dont heal well. I have scratch marks on my face from the age of 8. =( So sad......It's ok. I also have oily skin and Acne scars (pigmentation problems).
I think I'm pear shaped cuz my lower body is big and my upper body is small. Stinks! Oh well.....
Ok so now can u suggest a juice fast for me? I want to cleanse myself and perhaps get rid of some of my lower body fat. I should also let u know that I think I have some acid probs b/c wheneva I eat, my stomache doesnt digest the food well and I start burping afterwards for a long time, like hours after eating. It really stinks! My mom says something's wrong with my organs. What do you think?
I'm planning on doing a 30 day fast as soon as u give me a few more pointers. I have organic carrots and will buy more organic produce. You know, organic veges and fruits are SO expensive! How do you afford them? Is it okay to mix veges and fruits? Any good recipes??
I want to do Dr. Christopher's 3-Day Cleanse during my fast and 2 Liver Flushes as well. Any suggestions?
I heard that Liver Flushes will help with my healing of scars and wat not, but wat to help that weird burping? If I dont eat much and drink a lot, I dont get a lot of the burping but I still get it. It's like my food is 'stuck' and needs my 'help.'
Ok, I think that's enough questions for now. Thanks again for all your help shellycat!
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Hi Kathy! Welcome to the forum. :)
For your digestive upset problems, please read my "increasing digestive power" notes. Tons of things you can do to help that. Also the TEA recommendations. You should drink plenty of tea while fasting.
Best fast for Pitta is a combo fast. You should have a Master Cleanser drink a day, that is:
8 oz water
juice of 1/2 lemon or lime
1 teaspoon of grade B maple syrup
small dash of cayenne pepper (optional for Pitta)
add 1 tsp or tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar.
You really should make up a pot of Potassium Broth. Peel potatos so the skins are like 1/2" thick, chop carrots, parsley, 1 beet and tops, cabbage. Simmer on low heat for an hour, drink just the broth, throw the veggies out. Drink just that and water for a day. If you fast more than 4 days, have it again.
Recommended juice:
Mostly carrot, an apple or two (pref. green), handful of parsley.
OR carrot/apple/ and 1/2 beet OR carrot/apple/kale or spinach.
Cucumber juice is very purifying for the skin. Mix it with Celery and carrot and beet for best flavor.
If you start feeling weak, have a fruit juice day, preferably cranberry or green grape. NO orange juice!!!
Drink Yogi Tea's Egyptian Licorice Mint, as much as you want, and Chamomile at night.
Be sure to drink a fiber drink at least once a day, the P&B shakes are what we recommend but you can get a commercial intestinal cleanser like Dr. Schulze #2. Consider doing a Salt Water Flush and/or colonic at least 3x a week.
Be sure to take in a bit of good salt each day, such as Celtic Sea Salt .
If you have any farmer's markets near you, even if they're not totally organic they're still pretty safe. That's how I save money on produce. :)
Good luck and feel free to keep in touch while you fast!
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- Re: Good fasting procedure? kathy1009
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This is a reply to # 382,084Hi shellycat. Thanks for the advice! A few questions though. Why is it necessary for me to drink the Master-Cleanse drink at least once a day? How come cayenne is an option for a Pitta?? And is it necessary that I use organic lemons for the Master-Cleanse drink as well as the potassium broth? What's so great about the potassium broth anyway??
For the potassium broth, are all skins included or do I just peel all the skins? Dont the beets turn everything a different color?
Thanks for the advice about the farmer's market! I have another store I shop at that sells veges and fruits directly grown on a farm so maybe I'll go there since there are no farmers markets around here.
How long of a fast do you think is good for Pittas? I'm gonna go for a month. What do you think? Also, is it good to do water and juice fasts at the same time? What's wrong with drinking orange juice? Is it hard on the liver? Does that also go for grapefruit and lemon juice??
I know, so many questions! I appreciate all your help Shelly!
Kathy =)
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Master-Cleanse drink - because the maple syrup has minerals and Sugar to keep you from detoxing too fast, you'll be more comfortable. The lemon juice is wonderfully alkaline, cleansing and supporting entire digestive tract. You don't want to overdo on most fruit juices due to weakening the spleen, but one Master-Cleanse a day, even two, is within balance. The lemons don't have to be organic if you don't use the skin.
Cayenne is optional for Pitta because Pitta people run hot, and cayenne is hot, so it can be irritating and counter-productive. Try it and see if you like it. If you do, the health benefits are amazing! :)
The potassium broth is a bath for our cells. It allows the cells to offload toxins and acids, curing everything from Arthritis to fibromyalgia to premature aging. All the veggies should be whole, only the potatos are peelings. The outer layer of potatos are where the nutrients are.
Orange juice is mucous forming and imbalancing. Can cause cankor sores. If you want to drink it, dilute it.
All fruit juices should be diluted 50-50 with water. Veggie juices don't have to.
Water fasts are dangerous.
Fast as long as its comfortable. IF that means a month, then go for it. If you start feeling too weak and dizzy, stop. Break the fast with more veggie juices, raw veggies, and spicy teas to wake up the tummy. Then you can eat a bit of rice and more steamed veggies, then soup, then whole grain hot cereal.
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- Re: Good fasting procedure? kathy1009
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This is a reply to # 382,149Another question for you Shelly.....Why is soy milk worse than rice milk? I made my own soy milk the other day out of beans. Am I allowed to drink all that?
For the potassium broth, how should I wash the veges as to not allow the junk (dirt, etc) from the skins to get into my body??
Some ppl say its not safe to do a liver cleanse during fasting cuz juices are hard on the liver. So should I refrain from doing flushes during my fast then?
Thanks again Shelly! =)- Re: Good fasting procedure? shelleycat
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This is a reply to # 382,208Soy milk is troublesome because you don't want to overdose on Soy, it interferes with thyroid.
Just scrub the veggies with a brush, if you have grapefruit seed oil extract that's a good purifier, but really just scrubbing the potatoes is fine. You can peel the carrots and other veggies.
Overdosing on juicing is hard on the liver, but what makes most people sick if they fast and then do a Liver Flush is the oil. That's why it's best to break your fast far enough to take in some oils before liver flusing. Lots of people do The Master Cleanse and then immediately flush and seem fine, tho, so, who knows for sure? It's not an exact science! :)Advertisement
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Thanks again shellycat! =) I went to the organic foods store today and stocked up on a few things for the potassium broth. I totally forgot the parsley and the cabbage! Do I use a whole head of cabbage? And for the beet, do I cook the leaves too?? So I should peel everything then cook right? How much water am I supposed to use??
I saw the Yogi teas. There's a special one for Detox (its good for the kidneys) and then one for Fasting (it's good for the liver and supresses appetite). Should I get those?? Or just the Indian spice one u recommended. I couldnt find Green Chai Tea.
How much preparation do you recommend for first time juice fasters like myself? I'm doing a 2 day raw diet then starting to juice this weekend. Sound good??
- Re: Good fasting procedure? shelleycat
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This is a reply to # 382,327awww you can skip the cabbage I guess. :) But the parsley is eSSENtial!
Beet leaves are great. No need to peel, jsut wash well.
Use a big pot and enough water to cover everything.
Those teas are fine! Just be sure to take in SOME spicy teas too for the first 3 days or until your tongue is clear. Get plain green tea if you can't find chai. Having a bit of caffeine will keep your metabolism up and help with the caffeine withdrawal headache, which is a major monster!!!
Juices are actually better than eating raw veggies, you get more of the nutrients, so just start!!! Allow yourself to occasionally munch on raw veggies if you feel the need to crunch something. The best prep for a fast is a clean colon.
Good luck and keep in touch! :)
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Hi Shelly. =) I've done some research for the Potassium broth b/c in your recipe, you do not include exact proportions of each vegetable. In 2 recipes I found, it says NOT to include cabbage. Why is that? Also, the potassium broth recipes include 50 cloves of garlic, some spinach, celery, and ONLY the skins of the carrots. Why is that?? The recipe is different from yours. The only similarity is that yours and theirs uses the peelings of potatoes. My question is isnt 50 cloves of garlic a bit TOO much and wouldnt it make the broth taste funky?? Any suggestions would be helpful as I am rather confused. First, I thought that you were supposed to peel all the veges and then put them in water to make the broth. Then I thought you're supposed to leave all veges unpeeled and just chop them up for the broth. Now I have no idea what to do or how many carrots, celery, spinach, or whatever to use?? I want to make this on Sunday but I NEED an exact recipe to follow. PLEASE HELP!
Also, I read in a book that milk thistle is good for you. What is it used for and how should it be taken?? Do you know anything about this herb?
My hair is fine and thin and there's a 'bald' spot in the left back of my head. There's very little hair there. Do you have any suggestions on what combo of veges/fruits I should drink to encourage more hair growth??? Should I be taking any herbs/supplements? I'm not a big fan of supplements so I would rather take none, but if needed, I will agree to take some upon condition that it will help my hair growth. I've done tests and it seems I do not have any deficiency (no iron deficiency either) so it's not my diet that's a problem and NO I am NOT stressed either and it's not heredity b/c my sisters and mother have LOTS and LOTS of hair. It's just me. =(
Thanks again for all your help! By the way, why are fruits better than veges, btw? Dont fruits have a higher Sugar content??
- Re: Good fasting procedure? shelleycat
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This is a reply to # 382,462Hiya Kathy!
Cabbage is optional or excluded from most recipes because it is high in sulphur which causes gas and is on the more acidic side of Ph balance. BUT people with hair/skin/nails problems are usually deficient in organic sulphur, so I include it.
I don't hink anyone needs 50 cloves, that's totally overmedicating to me! You'd get SO sick if you ate that much garlic at once and wouldn't smell too much either. ;)
I explain all about milk thistle and other liver herbs in my liver notes - have you read my notes yet? Gotta read them! They bring you up to speed. I just added Fasting notes too. :)
Fruits aren't better than veggies. An ideal diet would be 40% veggies and only 10% fruit, except for summer or hotter climates. For temperate or cold climates, limiting fruit is better.
Has your thyroid been checked? Wonky hormones causes hair loss. Mostly tho, it's a lack of sulphur, EFA's, iron and other minerals especially zinc and magnesium. Poor circulation and too many sugars, including fruit sugar, often causes it. Rather than take pills, get them from eating a good diet full of legumes and veggies and whole grains. Get some Flax seed tho! :)
Don't worry about the exact proportions of the broth, this is NOT an exact science! :) As long as it has potato skins and parsley in it, it will help you have a more effective fast. If it has cabbage, it will help your hair. If it has cayenne or other pepper, it will help circulation, altho pitta people need to beware of too much spices if they get hot easy or sweat easy.
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So I'm still confused on how to make the broth. SORRY! I think I'm just really anal about this. I just dont know how much cabbage to use, how many carrots to use and how much parsley? If the carrot skins are good, I'll just chop a few carrots and leave the skins? Does that sound good? As for the cabbage, how much should I use? Thanks for the tip about cabbage being good for the hair, by the way. =) What do you do with all the veges once you've cooked them in the broth? Can you use them or no?
Another question......If fruit juices are not as good as vege juices, then why do most of the juicing recipes include more fruit than veges? Is it because they're easier to keep down? I want to juice beets and carrots. Does that sound like a good mix? Do you think the beets will turn my Juice machine a different color?
Oh, I remember that in one of your responses to me, you gave me the recipe for the Master-Cleanse drink and it included ACV (apple cider vinegar). Why is that? The original recipe does not include that, why does yours?
During a fast, how much flax oil should one consume?
Thanks again for all your help Shelly! I have looked at your notes. You are truly dedicated to this forum. =)- Re: Good fasting procedure? shelleycat
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This is a reply to # 382,490Let's see... 1/2 cabbage unless you hav a big pot (see, most of the broth is determined by the size of your pot and how stores sell their veggies! :) ), 1/2 bunch of carrots or whole bunch. You can peel them or not depending on how they look. Throw the veggies out - they will release all their goodness into the broth.
Don't take oil while fasting except MAYbe once a day to help the liver flush.
I add ACV to the drink to give it more minerals and compounds to help the PH balance.
Most juicing recipes are trying to taste good, and fruit juices are easier to like than veggie. For healing, you want more veggie juices. Apples are the perfect fruit, very balanced. :)
The best way to have tasty and healthy juices is to make the bulk carrot, as carrots are very sweet and great for liver. Then you can add just about anything. Beets are fantastic, but they really detox the liver FAST so just use about 2oz per serving. the best cleansing drink I know of is carrot/apple/parsley/beet/ginger.
enjoy! :)
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Gonna do your potassium broth tomm. I'm excited and I'm hoping it tastes good. =)
I'm not sure if you've read Stanley Burrough's book but in it there's a line I dont quite understand. Maybe you can enlighten me. It reads, "There are several good laxative teas out there. They are best taken in liquid form." What is that supposed to mean???? How else do you drink tea??
Shelly, did u know that Celtic Sea Salt is really expensive? What's so great bout it? How is it any more different than other unrefined Sea Salt s??
I heard that you're not supposed to use milk thistle during fasting? Why is that?
In terms of ginger, how much should u use per cup of juice? What's the healing power in gingers?
Thanks again for all your help! =)- Re: Good fasting procedure? shelleycat
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This is a reply to # 382,521LOL! I never noticed that line about the laxative teas. Too funny! :)
I hadn't heard that milk thistle shouldn't be taken during a fast. I'll have to look that up and see why.
when juicing ginger, try about an inch of the root for a regular glss. It's hard to drink more than that at once. :)
ginger is great for digestion and is a natural anti-inflammatory.
Celtic Sea Salt has tons of minerals that refined salt does not. Minerals are involved in every nutrient exchange. If you don't have minerals, you don't have nutrients. Most long-lived tribes are long lived bcause they drink mineral rich waters.Advertisement
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I totally forgot to ask u this yesterday! How LONG do you boil the water for to cook the broth?? If I make it tonite, can I drink it tomorrow or must I drink it within the day or preparation? How many cups of broth should there be once done cooking?
During any fast, whether it be the Master-Cleanse or just a juice fast, how many P&B shakes should be taken? I remember you saying start with 1 a day then increase up to 3. What do P&B shakes actually do? And some ppl mentioned that you're supposed to take the shakes before or after a meal, but if you're not eating anything then when should it be taken? Before you drink?
As for the salt water flushes, how many do you recommend? I heard to do one SWF (Salt-Water-Flush) (using Sea Salt ) first thing in the morning. Is this a prescription that should be used for all fasts including the MC? Is a teaspoon of salt enough or should more be used? I'm not a big fan of salt so I'm hoping it doesnt taste horrible!
Thanks again for all your help! Btw, do you know the side effects of the MC? I'm a pretty cautious person so I dont want to do something that'll harm my body. I like how you add ACV to the recipe though. I'm gonna try it. =)
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This is a reply to # 382,530Simmer, not roiling boil, the veggies for about 40 minutes, then drink that same day. How much you get depends on the size of your pot! :)
P&B shakes are wonderful for scouring the colon free of impacted fecal matter. The Bentonite especially will actually dislodge old mucous and ick, while the psyllium pushes it out and excercises the colon like free weights. ;) Take however many you can. If you're taking more than 1 a day, you probably don't need to do the salt water flush (SWF).
For the SWF (Salt-Water-Flush) to work properly, it has to taste as salty as soup. Otherwise, the water will be absorbed into your bloodstream rather than staying in the digestive tract, watshing it out.
Side effects of the Master-Cleanse depend on your health and past history. As things heal, we often feel them again. Some people go thru awful headaches because of nicotine and caffeine withdrawal, but most of us feel energized with a few bouts of exhaustino thrown in now and again. :)
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