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Ok, I am going to do a second fast, and unlike my first one Im going to use an online community for support. Hi, so if your out there may we support each other?
About 2 years ago I stumbled unto the idea of water fasting as a means for healing. I was experiencing a considerable amount of arthritic pain and an increase in asthma and a variaty of other symptoms most likely due to some undiagnosed autoimmune disease of sometype. After afew M.D. visits and some labs the diagnosis was leading to "something" autoimmune in nature. Whatever the daignosis it was all reading to the bottom line of taking some nasty type of meds. Since I didn't have med insurance and didn't want a slow death through toxic meds water fasting became a great alternative. So that summer I underwent a water fast that lasted for 23 days then booked a stay at True North Center for refeeding. It would have been so much easier to do the entire fast there, but I couldn't make it happen financially and felt that the refeeding process would be where I could get the most bang for my buck as I was would be new to a healthy vegan lifestyle.
The fast was really hard! Day in and day out feeding and cooking for kiddos; to this day Im surprised I made it. I guess I was desperate and the pain I was living in was worse then the "pain" of the fast. Yes, it was a very beneficial and rewarding experience to say the least. Today I'm afraid that I am not "as motivated " and I 'm just hoping I will make it through the peroid of time my body dictates is right for me. I know I need even more support then before. I have slowly reintroduced toxic foods in my life and , yes, some of the symptoms are back, I would really like to think I could be wise enough to endure the "pain" of the fast BEFORE it gets to the point it where the pain of life is greater. Because I lack some of the drive for this, I of course question my chances of "succeeding". But my life is such that this is the only time I will be able to do this in the next few years. I maybe have 10 pounds I could lose so I lay around and I am quite weak during my fasting So jealous of all the people I read about having increased energy!! So....... Here I go. Accountability #1 - Post hear dailly and journal daily. Please fasting "buddies" out there make yourself known.
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This is a reply to # 2,285,079Hi there! I'm new to the forum and to fasting. I would love to support each other as we fast. I have been juice cleansing since last saturday and dropped down to water with lemon and a bit of stevia only yesterday morning.
I have a lot more weight to lose than you, but I still hope we can support each other. I hope you get some more energy soon and that your fast is successful at healing you!
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This is a reply to # 2,285,091thanks, I will be there to support you as well. right its just about getting through those first 5 days, that was the hardest part last time. Congrats on your transition. - Re: water fasting support Asephil
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This is a reply to # 2,285,091Hi there,
I am also new to the forum. I started juice fasting on Saturday (25th, oct) and started the Water Fast on Thursday (29th oct). It is day 2 so I want to do Water Fast for 14 days and if I can proceed to 21 days, that will be a bonus for me. I need all the support to push through this tough road and be positive.
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Trish123,
Congrats on starting another fast and taking charge of your health! I know you can do it with support :) Are you still feeding and tending to kiddos? Is today your first day?
I've started by first extended Water Fast with 7 days of coconut water, and am now on day 6 of water only. It's been tough, and I feel really weak and low energy as well. I am hoping I turn a metaphorical corner around day 9-11 and the weakness subsides. We shall see. My body is calling for rest, and I'm trying my best to give it just that.
Welcome to the forum. Best of luck on your journey :)
Taylor
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This is a reply to # 2,285,105Hello! Starting a new fast on Sunday or Monday! Welcome to the forum! I'm glad so many people are posting. It's been a little dead around here. Be safe everyone and keep us updated on your healing!- Re: water fasting support trish123
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This is a reply to # 2,285,126So due life stressors I decided to wait a day to start. - that being today- God help me , I am just not feeling it, seems like the level of pain I had prior to my first fast was such a powerful motivator. Oh well, If I can just get through the first few days hump?!
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This is a reply to # 2,285,105Yeah , first day. The kiddos are a bit older , 11, and 13 but I still have to cook and there lies the challenge. I wish I would have given it a bit more thought and prepared and froze the first 5 days of dinners so I could spend more time away from food, Tomorrow Ill have a cooking marathon and get the next few days taken care of.
Hope you get your energy back soon. I just kept waiting the last time I did one and it never came . Every day I was weaker until the last day, Then it even took me a couple months to have my strength and endurance back.
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I'd suggest The Master Cleanser Lemonade Diet instead. You get all the nutrients needed but none of the bulk which allows your body to focus on healthy healing.
And healthy weight loss, which of course you'll most likely regain because you are not dealing with your set point or any attendant emotional issues, which excess weight most always entails.
You can stay on that for quite a long time with no adverse health effects like your body eating your heart muscles and such. I did it for 19 days the first time and 15 days the second. I'd only do water only for no more than a day or two. tops.
But hey, just my advice based on my own experience (and my critical thinking skills) out of the awareness that starving yourself is just starving yourself, water or not. But of course, it's your life, your body, your choice.
And this may be one of those threads where I'm a person non gratis. If so, sorry to interrupt. So carry on.
I didn't post this from the water only support group though, but apparently it ended up here as well. I was posting from abuse support, since I feel it's abusive to your body to starve it.
Of course I may have misunderstood and thought it was for supporting behavior that ends abuse, when maybe it was for supporting abuse. Hum--kinda confusing, that.- Re: water fasting support DesertLili
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This is a reply to # 2,285,129Hello, you obviously have good intentions. Although advocating for Master cleanse vs WF as "all nutrient-inclusive" vs "starvation" is an ill-advise. I suggest you read more about fasting, before calling it starvation and then give firm opinions. WF is sparing the electrolytes. Master cleanse is easier to tolerate for some, although it is too much work to do the lemonade, and at the end you are depleting your system from certain nutrients, especially electrolytes. You can trust me: it does NOT contain "all the nutrients". And it does not make the body focus on healing nearly as well as WF. A cleanse is a cleanse - it will probably clean your colon, but comparing the healing effect with a WF is too far fetched.
Other than that, thanks for coming bu here. You are not a person non grata in WF forum, but please don't say "Fire the Pope", when you are in Rome.- Re: water fasting support #461
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Well as I noted, I didn't post in Rome. And after seeing the pictures from the nazi death camps (water fasts all the way aka starvation) and my brother basically starving himself to death (died from that weakened heart thing), I'd take the less dangerous option over the 'no nutrients' option any day.
Sure, a day or two, maybe, but really your body eats it's own muscles for nutrition if it has nothing else to eat. And a heart is pretty much just muscle. How is that ever good for you?
And actually I got rid of any remaining trace of diabetes (normal bood Sugar after 2 days and it stayed there) from the first 19 day cleanse. It takes extremely little to process the B grade maple syrup and lemon juice.
And you still have plenty of energy because it gives your body something to eat, without having to go to the effort of breaking down muscle tissue. I suspect The Master Cleanser diet is actually better for healing plus you aren't damaging your heart.
But thanks for the reply and for sharing your opinion. :)- Re: water fasting support DesertLili
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This is a reply to # 2,285,134I am glad that you have no diabetes anymore. Smiles. In fact, I have done something similar to MCleanse, but with bigger variety of fruits and herbs and raw honey, vs (cooked) maple syrup. And I had good results.
I am sorry to hear about your brother. Anything carried on too long or too much can have deleterious effect. How long did he carry a WF, what was his BMI initially? The art of fasting teaches to stop before the starvation point or at the first signs of cardiac distress. Maybe it is too much to ask, but why do you think his heart had been "eaten"? Under normal circumstances a properly conducted fast, with proper rest will lead to a max of 3-4 pounds of muscle loss, but skeletal muscle mass, not heart. Internal organs are spared. They may decrease in size, but it is to the expense of smaller vs bigger cells. Also any inactivity makes the heart get smaller. And WF is supposed to be done with reduced activity.
BTW master cleanse is depleting the potassium much faster than a WF, if I remember well, and certain other electrolytes.
Well, I will also not compare the inhuman conditions in nazi camps with a WF made comfortably at home. The differences range the whole spectrum from not having to work strenuously and resting, not being pressured in any way ... to the psychological and emotional background. Further they did not WF, they were given limited food - usually the same crust of bread - and this is how one starves most rapidly. Starvation can result also just because the person is under enormous stress while not eating - then I agree, it is a starvation.
I wish you well,
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He wasn't a health nut--he never did all the bells and whistles. Which is why I'd wonder why the 'lemonade' from the cleanser diet would be too much hassle. It sounds like you need to do plenty of fussing to ensure you stay in the 'zone'. Compared to all that fuss and worry, the master cleasner diet is easy. You just do it till you want to stop.
I don't need an art, I need solutions, and Water Fasting never ever seemed like a reasonable although long time honored method.
And if you ate anything but the lemonade, it wasn't The Master Cleanse diet, any more than one round of herbs and a day ot two of zapping makes Dr. Clark's protocol. Sorry.
But I'm glad you're ok with it. Maybe different body types react differently. I just know only water by the end of the second day never felt 'right', where as The Master Cleanser felt fine until I got tired of the drink and didn't drink enough the last two days.
Proof enough for me as to what I would recommend. But of course this is my opinion, and that's what I've figured out. :)
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This is a reply to # 2,285,129Thanks for the advice. I am doing a Water Fast for physical healing- It did wonders for me once and I really believe in it . Also, I might have 10 lbs I could drop but even that is pushing it, I am not over weight and I sure do hope i gain my weight back. At the end of my first I was down to 99 lbs which is not ideal for me at a 5 7 height. I am just really looking forward to not having all the joint pain and other symptoms that cleared up after my first fast. But this time I really need to keep my nutrition clean after the fast as I am where I am with my pain today as I reintroduced foods that threw me back where I was.
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Hi Trish! I am doing fasts for joint issues too. I have a new fast coming up soon. How long did you fast, when the pains resolved? What would be your subjective estimate for benefit?
For example the last short fast I did (5 days) brought joint condition from about 5 on a scale of 10 (10 being the worst possible damage from trauma or overuse) to about 2, maybe one. As you noted, having to travel and needing to get whatever food is available got me quite back, there were foods that I had to avoid, but did not.- Re: fasting for joint cure trish123
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This is a reply to # 2,285,140My Asthma symptoms drastically improved the first week, I started noting some improvement in joint pain in the first week but it continued to improve through the following weeks (total 23 days). For at least 3 years prior to the fast I always had shoulder pain and hip pain ( at least a 3 on a scale of 1-10). I had to stop running completely. After the fast I would go months with out even feeling any pain but when I did start running again I felt a bit, It comes and gos and I can still run. But by far much , much better! Im not really sure how everyone else benefits from fasting and joint pain , but from what I understand , it appears that if the pain is a result of an auto immune disorder it responds more favorably from Water Fasting as opposed to osteoarthritis .
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This is a reply to # 2,285,151Thank you for sharing :) I indeed have the osteoarthritis form. Maybe this is why it is getting me so long to heal.
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Wow, I came to this community with the hopes of getting support. I already have a slew of people in my life that would discourage me and that don't undersatnd the process , I was hoping for encouragent and thought this was a SUPPORT community I'll tell you what I won't criticize your particular choices and beliefs you hold for your self , please lend me the same respect. And if your concerned for my welfare rest assure there is a great deal of research (evidence based and peer reviewed) and a large medical community that understands and practices water fasting for a variety of reasons. For starters ( In your response to the nazi camp survivors) water fasting 101-- starving is completely different then fasting. By the way I have had my labs done and will continue to based on the reccomendation of the doc that is medically supervising my water fast. I could refer you to an extensive list of health professionals, centers and institutions that have extensive experience with water fasting, but if you develope the desire to educate yourself I trust you will have no problems finding them.
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This is a reply to # 2,285,138And while this isn't about water fasting, it's in response to your joint pain. My other favorite healing go-to is getting rid of parasites--did you ever do a de parasite cleanse with the zapper?
parasites are what's behind arthritis. They love those tasty hard to get to joint spots. And of course they don't do well without food, so I do imagine maybe the change in body chemistry from the fast drove them off or something.
But just from my 20 years of self healing experience and observations. I got rid of hip joint pain, by getting rid of mine. Just another thought. :) Do understand parasites are not just a 3rd world problem.- Re: water fasting support trish123
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This is a reply to # 2,285,153It's a facet often overlooked. If you want further info, Dr. Clark's 'cure for all diseases' is free to download here. It's a bit overwhelming but just browse thru all the connections to parasites she finds. :)
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Can you post the link to "cure for all diseases"?
I tried but did not succeed.
What do you think about morgellons? Have you come across this?
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This is a reply to # 2,285,159I'll answer in a private msg rather than go further off topic. Hope you don't mind. :)
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- Know starvation and Autolysis archus
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This is a reply to # 2,285,129I second what DL has to say. Also we should know how our body works, especially during a fast.
Definition of starvation for a layman is .....one not eating foods and damaging the body. Definition of starvation for those who know what a fast with water only or dry fast is......bodies of all living animals and plants are built not to eat everyday otherwise this planet would not have so many varieties of species and its existence for millions of years. That very body is designed to also use fats, glycogen, undigest foods, junk in the body, tumors etc. by the process of Autolysis, which conversion of energy needed by the body in the times when there is no food available or when the body is fasting.
There are so many examples in the animal world of Autolysis. A tadpole turning into a frog only survives on its tail, animals going in hibernation during winter, sick animal abstaining from food, a plant growing from a seed or a tuber and so many others.
Conversely, when a body is either eating less, not eating proper nutrition or eating partial foods, goes in to a starvation mode, when the body lives on the muscles and other minerals readily available to it. Even in starvation body discriminates on what to eat first by its usefulness. The heart muscle is the last thing the body will eat. This is how nature builds life.
I think it is very unfair to scare people who are in much need of help and support to heal their bodies and mind, by giving them false information.
Your experience from the two fasts is not enough to conclude a general theme. Also I am not sure that you were in tune with your body otherwise you would have seen many positive effects of the fast. But we are all different and experience different things at a different time of the fast. Why can't one not fast for longer period of time? Many people fast for 30 to 40 days and clear up their diseases and toxins to be healthy individuals. Of course those who do not eat properly post fast will get back into a sick mode.
Please read books by Dr. Shelton, Furhman, Bragg and Purinton.
Peace.
Archus
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This is a reply to # 2,285,141Well, it's easy to write a book and have an 'expert' opinion, I'm not terribly convinced by 'research' which is sooo terribly easy to falsify. I'm sticking with my experience--that being any time you go without food, it messes with your body.
My brother is proof enough for me. In ages past, I'm pretty sure they often had to go without food, and the body probably developed coping strategies.
I've tried juice fasts, but it ALWAYS led to weight gain, as my body prepared for the next famine. Yes, things learned how to survive famines, otherwise, as you say, there'd be no life.
Doesn't mean any one of them would do it on purpose or think that it was good for them. I'm hard pressed to believe mother nature intended we starve ourselves when we didn't have to. I'm sure our ancestors had plenty of Water Fasts they considered themselves lucky to survive.
The Master Cleanser diet worked quite well in helping my body heal from the parasitic infestation that caused diabetes, and other than wanting something solid to chew on, I ended up healthier than before the cleanse--and it did do plenty of detoxing if the water flush you do every day was any indication---lots of yucky stuff.
Maybe you don't really know about The Master Cleanser Lemonade Diet . It worked great for me. I know my body's every nuance. If it had harmed me, I would have known, even before finishing, and stopped.
I never felt ok even on juice fasts and the one or two days I just drank water even worse. To me, the proof is in the pudding. I felt good after The Master Cleanser . Not good after any other fast type thingy I ever tried. Glad your body isn't so fussy, eh?
Maybe body types or something, but in all good conscious, I can't recommend starvation in the name of 'water' fasting. After 60 years, I've learned (sometimes the hard way) to trust my body--and it said don't starve me please.
I think it equally unfair to tell people starving themselves is somehow good for them, so I guess we'll have to call it a draw. :)
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- Re: Know starvation and Autolysis archus
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This is a reply to # 2,285,143You are fixated with what starvation is. There are so many extremely sick people who fast with water only and get back in shape.
I do not believe you gave yourself a chance to fast to completion. Everyone during a fast feels some kind of pain or detox symptoms, that is a part of fasting.
Yes, I have done many juicing fasts and master cleanse. I have fasted ever since I was a child, so if fasting was bad for you I would be sick all the time.
Are there people who should or could not fast, sure. But as I mentioned before nature has its principles and it applies to all.
America has most fasting centers than any other country. I would like you to watch this video....
http://youtu.be/Nl8Y5jV0hN0
There are so many Doctors like him, one I had a privilege to meet was Dr. Fuhrman who puts most his patients on fast except for those who are on serious medications, but even they eventually fast to be healthy again.
There was one gentleman on this forum, Chrisb1 who after two 30 day fasts got cured from leukemia.
But you are entitled to your opinion.
Thank you for sharing your experience.
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This is a reply to # 2,285,181Indeed we all have different life experiences and we all do what we think is best. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I had plenty of times when I was hungry growing up, and no doubt it's influenced my body to ask me not to starve it any more. But we didn't have all the toxins today has either, so we didn't get sick like all the kids today, but not from not eating.
We were a bit more sickly than most of our peers, but of course no food usually means we couldn't afford proper supplements and such either.
And I base my decisions on what feels right to my body, not what somebody thinks I should do. So I advocate from that perspective. I say what worked best for me.
Of course, the different body types in the east Indian Ayurveda may have different tolerances. I'm a pita---my body's forte is metabolism.
It needs food, but I could see that a Kapha might enjoy fasting, as their body type has a slow metabolism (but strong muscles), which makes digesting food much more difficult, and the food often sits like a lump in the stomach. My sweetie has that body type, and our comfort level and ability to eat a big meal are very different.
I still advocate doing what feels right for your body. But realizing that difference does create some acknowledgement that perhaps there is some who it might benefit. But, from a pita's perspective, nope, it never worked for me. Give me even the lemonade to 'eat'. :) To thine own self be true, eh?
Thanks for persisting with your view point, though. I love expanding my knowledge and being called to considered another perspective is one very good way to do it.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,285,079hi, i would love to support one another! i am new to the curezone website, but have done a few fasts in the past. as of today i am on day 6 of a 21 day Water Fast for digestive reasons.also i am wanting to lose the last few pounds left over from my pregnancy. i too have children i need to take care of and cook for daily, so fasting is not always an easy endeavor. i find it does open my eyes up to what foods i am feeding my family and how i need to be more vigilant about cleaning their diet up.
i can tell you that i am keeping a positive attitude and counting backwards from 21, which really seems to be helping me.also, make sure to drink plenty of water, otherwise you could start feeling more hunger pains as i did. i found if i don't drink enough water and get enough sleep i have a strong feeling of hunger, whereas if i consume plenty of water and sleep at least 8 hour i am not hungry and have plenty of energy. this is just what works for me, i'm sure every journey is different. good luck and stay positive...you can do it. think of the end results!- Re: water fasting support trish123
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This is a reply to # 2,285,202HI, Yesterday was to be my first day , but I decided to wait till today due to a variety of stressful family situations.
So here I go , I like the idea of counting backwards! I just don't have exact number My body told me when to stop the first time. This time it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 20-30. If it's anything like last time Ill be sleeping a lot! I was so overly weak the last time from day 4- to the end. Great advice about end results, thats my mantra end result! end results!
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