and one thing to understand also, if CZ ever contained enough info for the masses to reproduce what is in the link to Koch, the site would be destroyed, one way or another. So, for purposes of saving CZ from disappearing, I have kept my mouth shut. Its merely a matter of practical reality. Sometimes I'm requested to write more but refrain for these reasons. However, anyone is free to read it, for now at least. Trust me, it is totally freakin amazing knowledge and technology, that supercedes anything presently present on this or any "health" related network htm sites. I do not reveal or expound, I merely point.