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the ark of the covenant has been found? been there done that 25 m 248 † C †

the ark of the covenant has been found?

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If this video is true and unadulterated, then the ARK OF THE COVENANT has been found....it is a 48 minute video.

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How can 6 million years of evolution be wrong??? #28913 18 y 4,973

How can 6 million years of evolution be wrong???

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Here is my question.

6 million years of primate evolution have led us to a penis with a foreskin.

Then a few thousand years ago, some guys who bathed themselves who knows how often, decided that they should mutilate babies thus making them identifiable to their particular tribe.

No animal on earth has an exposed penis.

If it were inherently important that the male penis be exposed, nature would have taken care of it. I will trust natural selection on this one rather than some smelly unhygienic desert nomads.

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- Here is my question. 6 million years of primate... Megabite 18 y 4,642
  
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  Here is my question. 6 million years of primate evolution have led us to a penis with a foreskin. Then a few thousand years ago, some guys who bathed themselves who knows how often, decided ....
  
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  Here is my question.
  
  6 million years of primate evolution have led us to a penis with a foreskin.
  
  Then a few thousand years ago, some guys who bathed themselves who knows how often, decided that they should mutilate babies thus making them identifiable to their particular tribe.
  
  No animal on earth has an exposed penis.
  
  If it were inherently important that the male penis be exposed, nature would have taken care of it. I will trust natural selection on this one rather than some smelly unhygienic desert nomads.
  
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- There’s no such proven thing as evolution. Man’s ... godservant 18 y 4,455
  
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  There’s no such proven thing as evolution. Man’s only been on earth for 6 thousand years and circumcision was started as a covenant between Abraham and God. It was a show of faith by Abraham and ....
  
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  There's no such proven thing as evolution. Man's only been on earth for 6 thousand years and circumcision was started as a covenant between Abraham and God. It was a show of faith by Abraham and may have had cleanliness undertones associated with God's command.
  
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  - Just my opinion, I’m for circumcision, but in your... Atalanta 18 y 4,598
    
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    Just my opinion, I’m for circumcision, but in your case it will be a painful process to endure unless there’s a risk of infection. #1, you have to be happy and comfortable in your own skin before ....
    Why would god make men with somehting that he just wants cut off. Logically if he was the creator he would just make men w/ out it.
    
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    - Reason enough to do it when they’re babies. If an... trapper/kcmo 18 y 4,483
      
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      Reason enough to do it when they’re babies. If any ended up with infection later on in life and had to do it then...take if from your father...it’s not something that would be fondly remembered. ....
      why would god create men to be capable of evil? because he wants them to learn judgement. you might want to give that a whirl.
      
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      - God made man to be able to choose for themselves. ... godservant 18 y 4,463
        
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        God made man to be able to choose for themselves. If he wanted mindless senseless robots, he would have made them. He wanted faithful followers who did good out of love for him. many people hav ....
        God made man to be able to choose for themselves. If he wanted mindless senseless robots, he would have made them. He wanted faithful followers who did good out of love for him.
        many people haven't figured that out yet.
        
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        i’ve also read that there is less - to me that mak... trapper/kcmo 18 y 4,242
        
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        i’ve also read that there is less - to me that makes more sense. after all the foreskin is nothing more than a protective layer, without it, the head rubs against clothing all day long (which I’m ....
        and its really simple to see and do. if a person doesnt want to believe in god, they can just take the boy scout pledge. its not knowing thats the problem, its doing that hangs people up.
        
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        you say.... ”Like I said, if God said to do it,... tabi 18 y 4,257
        
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        you say.... ”Like I said, if God said to do it, It can’t be bad cause God can never say anything that’s ”wrong” or ”bad” cause God is good in all he says and does and has nothing but best inten ....
        Mindless Senseless Robots = faithful followers
        
        can you see something?
        
        Regards
        
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        you say.... ”Like I said, if God said to do it,... tabi 18 y 4,521
        
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        you say.... ”Like I said, if God said to do it, It can’t be bad cause God can never say anything that’s ”wrong” or ”bad” cause God is good in all he says and does and has nothing but best inten ....
        Mindless Senseless Robots = faithful followers
        
        can you see something?
        
        Regards
        
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      - so now you are saying that god didn’t give babies ... sem 18 y 4,534
        
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        so now you are saying that god didn’t give babies enough vitamin k and theirfore some ”educated” fool that knows better than god called a human is goig to ”monkey around with nature? that is assan ....
        Or maybe he wants them to learn FORGIVENESS!
        :)
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      - no judgement (learned): damn, dude...that would b... ajaypatel 17 y 3,804
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      - So in order to be loved by god you need to cut off... Atalanta 18 y 4,251
        
        Not at all! Just the opposite. In order for Abra... godservant 18 y 4,242
        
        godservant, you’re explaining a scenario that happ... #42407 18 y 4,145
        
        godservant, you’re explaining a scenario that happ... pinkforestcat 18 y 4,256
        
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        Re: How can 6 million years of evolution be wrong?... aclays 18 y 4,393
        
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        No, but people are bashing the idea that some choo... #42407 18 y 4,185
        
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        No, but people are bashing the idea that some choo... atalanta 18 y 4,088
        
        No, but people are bashing the idea that some choo... #2974 18 y 4,168
        
        No, but people are bashing the idea that some choo... #61749 18 y 4,058
        
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        so now you are saying that god didn’t give babies ... juice4life 18 y 4,184
        
        No, I’m not saying that we lack vitamin K...I’m sa... godservant 18 y 4,169
      - Oooh me me! a tail! That would have been perfect! aclays 18 y 4,510
        
        godservant, you’re explaining a scenario that happ... beej 18 y 4,210
        
        ’it looks good to me. I wouldn’t touch a man witho... pinkforestcat 18 y 4,249
        
        ’it looks good to me. I wouldn’t touch a man witho... beej 18 y 4,123
        
        i’ve also read that there is less - to me that mak... aclays 18 y 4,408
        
        i’ve also read that there is less - to me that mak... beej 18 y 4,146
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    - Would you rather God make man cut off their arm? ... godservant 18 y 4,172
      - Would you rather God make man cut off their arm? ... godservant 18 y 4,235
        
        circumcision today TheNomad 18 y 4,623
        
        thank you for actually thinking about the question... trapper/kcmo 18 y 4,259
        
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      What the hell are you talking about? Rather stran... godservant 18 y 4,137
      - ”godservant” wrote And how exactly would you kno... #23955 18 y 4,277
        
        REally? Well, I’m Canadian myself and I know a lo... godservant 18 y 4,398
        
        ”godservant” wrote REally? Well, I’m Canadian m... #23955 18 y 4,250
        
        Really, the rate (#operations/month) of incidence ... ajaypatel 17 y 3,728
      - Have you ever seen a circumcised Christian from ou... #23955 18 y 4,122
        
        And where is outwith North America to you??? You’... godservant 18 y 4,133
        
        they preach about how to do it...i.e. eight days a... #23955 18 y 4,223
        
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  - That is about as ignorant as anything I read here.... Corinthian 18 y 4,111
- godservant, you’re explaining a scenario that happ... beej 18 y 4,117
- This is one of the many barbaric things one can do... Corinthian 18 y 4,090
- X million years of evolution ’can’ be ”wrong” by b... ajaypatel 17 y 3,732
  - Evolution produces life that is best suited. The ... leavethemalone 13 y 3,984
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nobody persecutes, tortures and kills like christi... trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,864 † C †

nobody persecutes, tortures and kills like christians

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nearing the end of continued excerpts from the essential Foxe's Book of Martyrs, by John Foxe, [1848], at sacred-texts.com

satan has been loosed so now it is the time of the christian, the jew and the muslim - basically ishmael, judah, and the lost tribes of israel. history is filled with what they are all about.

CHAPTER IV

Persecution of the Waldenses in France

Popery having brought various innovations into the Church, and overspread the Christian world with darkness and superstition, some few, who plainly perceived the pernicious tendency of such errors, determined to show the light of the Gospel in its real purity, and to disperse those clouds which artful priests had raised about it, in order to blind the people, and obscure its real brightness.

The principal among these was Berengarius, who, about the year 1000, boldly preached Gospel truths, according to their primitive purity. Many, from conviction, assented to his doctrine, and were, on that account, called Berengarians. To Berengarius succeeded Peer Bruis, who preached at Toulouse, under the protection of an earl, named Hildephonsus; and the whole tenets of the reformers, with the reasons of their separation from the Church of Rome, were published in a book written by Bruis, under the title of "Antichrist."

By the year of Christ 1140, the number of the reformed was very great, and the probability of its increasing alarmed the pope, who wrote to several princes to banish them from their dominions, and employed many learned men to write against their doctrines.

In A.D. 1147, because of Henry of Toulouse, deemed their most eminent preacher, they were called Henericians; and as they would not admit of any proofs relative to religion, but what could be deduced from the Scriptures themselves, the popish party gave them the name of apostolics. At length, Peter Waldo, or Valdo, a native of Lyons, eminent for his piety and learning, became a strenuous opposer of popery; and from him the reformed, at that time, received the appellation of Waldenses or Waldoys.

Pope Alexander III being informed by the bishop of Lyons of these transactions, excommunicated Waldo and his adherents, and commanded the bishop to exterminate them, if possible, from the face of the earth; hence began the papal persecutions against the Waldenses.

The proceedings of Waldo and the reformed, occasioned the first rise of the inquisitors; for Pope Innocent III authorized certain monks as inquisitors, to inquire for, and deliver over, the reformed to the secular power. The process was short, as an accusation was deemed adequate to guilt, and a candid trial was never granted to the accused.

The pope, finding that these cruel means had not the intended effect, sent several learned monks to preach among the Waldenses, and to endeavor to argue them out of their opinions. Among these monks was one Dominic, who appeared extremely zealous in the cause of popery. This Dominic instituted an order, which, from him, was called the order of Dominican friars; and the members of this order have ever since been the principal inquisitors in the various inquisitions in the world. The power of the inquisitors was unlimited; they proceeded against whom they pleased, without any consideration of age, sex, or rank. Let the accusers be ever so infamous, the accusation was deemed valid; and even anonymous informations, sent by letter, were thought sufficient evidence. To be rich was a crime equal to heresy; therefore many who had money were accused of heresy, or of being favorers of heretics, that they might be obliged to pay for their opinions. The dearest friends or nearest kindred could not, without danger, serve any one who was imprisoned on account of religion. To convey to those who were confined, a little straw, or give them a cup of water, was called favoring of the heretics, and they were prosecuted accordingly. No lawyer dared to plead for his own brother, and their malice even extended beyond the grave; hence the bones of many were dug up and burnt, as examples to the living. If a man on his deathbed was accused of being a follower of Waldo, his estates were confiscated, and the heir to them defrauded of his inheritance; and some were sent to the Holy Land, while the Dominicans took possession of their houses and properties, and, when the owners returned, would often pretend not to know them. These persecutions were continued for several centuries under different popes and other great dignitaries of the Catholic Church.

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- .....and it still goes on today, not by Christians... tomi777 7 y 1,897
  
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  .....and it still goes on today, not by Christians but by those that care not about what Jesus stands for their only interest is (and there’s many) that only have evil in their minds. I could cal ....
  
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  .....and it still goes on today, not by Christians but by those that care not about what Jesus stands for their only interest is (and there's many) that only have evil in their minds.
  I could call them names but I know that God will deal with them in His own way and so be it.
  God is forgiving but it's up to those that plunder us to repent their sins.
  
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  - lets not beat around the bush - the bush administr... trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,853
    
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    lets not beat around the bush - the bush administration that is. those christian zionist neocons luvs dem sum torture, sho nuff.
    lets not beat around the bush - the bush administration that is. those christian zionist neocons luvs dem sum torture, sho nuff.
    
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    - and dont think for one second that anything has ... trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,814
      
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      and dont think for one second that anything has changed for the better.
      
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      and dont think for one second that anything has changed for the better.
      
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      - I care not about your pictures Trapper this I show... tomi777 7 y 1,857
        
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        I care not about your pictures Trapper this I show is reality, man’s inhumanity to man that God only can deal with. Stuff your blame game mate because you only show your hate. Try show your love ....
        
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        I care not about your pictures Trapper this I show is reality, man's inhumanity to man that God only can deal with.
        Stuff your blame game mate because you only show your hate.
        Try show your love if you believe in God.
        
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        i wonder about you. trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,863
        
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        i wonder about you.
        
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        i wonder about you.
        
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        you should have asked assad first http://abcnew... trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,742
        
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        you should have asked assad first http://abcnews.go.com/International/video/assad-claims-viral-picture-syrian-boy-ambulance-fake-42944560 youve been jewed
        you should have asked assad first
        
        http://abcnews.go.com/International/video/assad-claims-viral-picture-syrian-boy-ambulance-fake-42944560
        
        youve been jewed
        
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        So now Assad is genuine person. Just go back to t... tomi777 7 y 1,744
        
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        So now Assad is genuine person. Just go back to the beginning of the Syrian uprising, was that fake? That shooting protestors did not take place? You have taken in Satan to guide you. Assad is ....
        
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        So now Assad is genuine person.
        Just go back to the beginning of the Syrian uprising, was that fake? That shooting protestors did not take place?
        You have taken in Satan to guide you.
        Assad is a murdering bastard, and now we have a follow up by the Turkish leadership that is setting up a dictatorship, is that fake news?
        Do you believe, like those that wish to use it, that the holocaust did not take place.
        Is that the sort of crap you believe?
        Trapper, get your act together, because next you'll be saying that Nazism did not occur.
        It's your hate that is affecting your mind, stick to love for it cannot be beaten.
        God's Law is love.
        "Jewed" indeed, lol.
        
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        yea, jewed. they own everything that you have eve... trapper/kcmo 7 y 2,011
        
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        yea, jewed. they own everything that you have ever heard about assad. why do you choose to believe them? and how hard is it to believe a man is evil? the bible says all men are evil. so how i ....
        
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        yea, jewed. they own everything that you have ever heard about assad. why do you choose to believe them? and how hard is it to believe a man is evil? the bible says all men are evil. so how is assad different than you and me? ive never met him so why would i make judgements against him?
        
        god is love and jesus is the truth. are they opposed to one another?
        
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        Yep the truth. You allow the Jewish people to ove... tomi777 7 y 1,871
        
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        Yep the truth. You allow the Jewish people to override it. Never mind eh?
        Yep the truth.
        You allow the Jewish people to override it.
        Never mind eh?
        
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        Those poor kids in Syria, I have like most been ve... #69242 7 y 1,835
        
        Re: nobody persecutes, tortures and kills like chr... trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,824
        
        Yep you got it right, straight from a Nazi, propag... tomi777 7 y 1,711
        
        Well, based upon what he quoted, and the definitio... #217591 7 y 1,674
        
        making him infinitely qualified in how this brainw... trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,818
        
        No, myself being facetious and you, plus the nu... tomi777 7 y 1,742
        
        Thanks for reminding me, once again, why I usually... #217591 7 y 2,175
        
        Definitely my foxy friend:) tomi777 7 y 1,823
        
        no, the message is that if youre not British youre... trapper/kcmo 7 y 1,809
        
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male circumcision = female sexual power #33921 20 y 26,343

male circumcision = female sexual power

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I read this post on another website and it really shocked me. I posted it because I'm interested in what people here think. I think the reason I found it so disturbing is that I actually agree with a lot of the points made, and I'd never thought about it in this way before. I'd be interested in peoples views...

'The point: male circumcision gives women sexual power over men. The reason? Circumcision massively decreases the sensitivity of the penis and makes it much harder to masturbate. Therefore, men only get real sexual satisfaction from vaginal penetration. The woman decides whether this happens, so the woman has control.
Justification? - people like sarah jessica parker are always complaining that US guys try to stick their tongue down your throat on the 1st date, and bed you on the second. US teenagers are obsessed with 'getting laid.' Europeans are so much more emotionally sensitive they say. Thats because they're more physically sensitive as well!!! This is also why guys marry younger in the US than in europe - regular vaginal sex without a condom - which reduces sensitivity even more.

Last century, people thought masturbation was really bad, therefore it was suppressed. Teenage girls were controlled psychologically - told their genitals were shameful and dirty, and that only immoral women masturbated. Teenage boys were controlled by circumcision - promoted by a guy called John Harvey Kellogg - he said it should be done without any pain relief, and that it worked for the reasons listed above.
However, in 2004 masturbation is promoted. 1 in 3 women in the US owns a vibrator - you can give yourself a massively intense, rapid, easy orgasm whenever you want - no man needed. John Harvey Kellogg would turn in his grave! Men still get circumcised though - surely not fair!

Why does it still happen? - power.
Last night I was in a bar and some sexist bozo fondled my ass. Was I angry? - no, I smiled sweetly to myself and remembered that the female sex got its revenge in on this guy the day he was born.
Totally and utterly emasculated - condemned to a lifetime of unsensitivity and dificult masturbation - by a woman.
Feminists like Andrea Dworkin often say the penis is a weapon that men use against women. Well - cut part of it off when he's defenceless and maybe you feel a lot better.

We all have female friends who told us when we were pregnant how we 'MUST' have our baby boy circumcised - why? - this was the only time in their lives they would have total, ultimate power over a man's penis.

The next time some circ'ed guy aggressively claims on this board how he really enjoys sex? - Just think - would he really want to believe that actually, women decided the day he was born to put a MASSIVE limit on how much he would EVER enjoy sex? - I think not.

There was a time when we waited for the 1st guy to come along to propose, so we could pay our rent. Nowadays, young women have careers so they don't need a man for financial stability.

Therefore I give you the young woman of today - with her career and her vibrator, she makes circumcised guys crawl on their knees around her. I'm sure anyone here with a teenaged or 20 something son knows exactly what I mean.

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- Re: let the child grow up and make his own choice. #32378 20 y 22,912
  
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  From a seminar I attended by a priest about 7 years ago .. he stated circumcision was performed in the old days to maintain a standard of cleanliness.. any one care to comment on this ..
  
  I personally feel it would be better to let the child grow up and make an informed decision on his own. Life has too much suffering as is to put a baby under the knife.
  
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  - Re: male circumcision = female sexual power #32621 20 y 23,110
    
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    All a load of rubbish! I was circumsised when I was about eight. I have no problems and w*nk just fine thank you..
    
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    - Re: male circumcision = female sexua| power chanleeho 12 y 20,012
      
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      The fact that anti-circumcision fanatics are AGAINST debate and reason is proof enough that circumcision is good for children. There is plenty of medical proof to back it up as well: http://goo.gl/kKPgD
      
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    If they aren't already aware of it, quite a few boys get exposed to the differences between some of them when they start school, others as they are reaching puberty. By then, not later, boys that have been left uncircumcised should be told about it, and offered circumcision if they feel that they need or want it. Many do but are uncomfortable talking about it. They should not be forced to live with an unwanted or troublesome foreskin all through their teen years until they are grown.
    
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  Oh yes...that's right...when I circumcized my son, I was consciously thinking then and there...I'm gonna fuck the little bugger up so he'll never enjoy sex. I'll make it so that any woman that comes into his life will have control over him sexually. I refuse to allow him to experience any joy in lovemaking or any good sensation whatsoever. Where do people get this?? Actually, I was thinking that I would like to avoid any chance of him getting infection, problems later on with a tight foreskin. As much as I cried when he went in, I would rather him go in now and get it done and over with and never know what he was missing, then see him go through major problems later on in life and have to deal with it then. I've never know circumcision to control masturbation or decrease sensitivity in a male. In fact, my son popped his first boner at three months when I changed his diaper and wiped him down. Won't be long before he's walking around with his hand down his diaper rubbing himself. As far as masturbation goes...all men I know masturbate. In fact, women are known to masturbate less than men circumcized or not. I busted my late husband of 52 years masturbating one morning in the washroom...he was circumcized. At 52 you'd think he would really be insensitive down there. On the contrary.
  
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  Why shocked? Circing em gives us control. Whats wrong with that? Their egos are so fragile they'll refuse to believe we did in their dicks, so keep it up girls. She's right, it's the only time that we get to have total control over a penis, and best yet, he'll never know, or be willing to admit, what you did to him. Hell, he may even thank you for it. Go for it!
  
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  - Re: male circumcision = female sexual power danuk1983 16 y 22,393
    
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    You are totally and utterly deranged and I feel totally sick about you ever having a son or any meaningful relationship with a male.
    
    Men open your eyes and rise up to ban circumcision!!
    
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  - The US is the only western country to practise rou... #23955 16 y 22,271
    
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    The US is the only western country to practise routine infant circumcision. Thankfully all other western countries do not do so routinely. There is probably some correlation between routine inf ....
    
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    The US is the only western country to practise routine infant circumcision. Thankfully all other western countries do not do so routinely.
    
    There is probably some correlation between routine infant circumcision and the masculinisation of American women.
    
    For the less masculinised American women, they can at least assume that a potential male partner from western countries outwith the USA and Canada is likely to be intact. And indeed even a majority of younger Canadian males are now intact.
    
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    - Re: male circumcision = female sexua| power; sexua... leavethemalone 13 y 24,580
      
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      The intended purpose of circumcision in the US was to inhibit sexua| behavior and take away sexua| independence. Kellog said as much as that when he started circumcising his patients in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s.
      When you cut off the part of the penis that is so important for pleasure it makes it very difficult to have pleasure. A circumcised male has to work harder because he has a desensitized penis.
      It is f*cked up for an eleven year old boy to find that his penis had suffered some injury and the affects of which will never totally heal when he is discovering girls for the first time! And to have the nerves on the circumcision scar not feeling pleasure but still feeling a lingering pain and numbness is obscene. That happened to me.
      I would search for sexua| pleasure obsessively. I tried to overload myself. Feeling a little pain or insensitivity on the penis did not seem ‘normal’ to me so I tried to get sex all the time.
      It made a beggar out of me. My cousin’s friend called me a pervert once and that really hurt my feelings. It made me insecure. I was afraid of the circumcised area of my penis, I tried to have sex with out using it. I would over focus on the other areas and I would obsess about touching a girl. I have to cllmax from excitement; stimulation on the circumcised area kills any romantic ideas I have.
      Circumcision is a form of sexua| domination.
      Cutting off the fore skin because ‘it might have problems’ is idiotic. European guys say infections are almost unheard of. The uncircumcised men in my family have never had any problems. One would go camping and not bathe for days and you know what? I never noticed him smelling but then again I was not a pervert sniffing his crotch.
      
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what the hell happened to me? or Circumcision is E... BSA Warning leavethemalone 13 y 24,874 † C †

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I have been reading the posts on the negative consequences of infant circumcision, specifically the psychological damage that may be done. I can't speak for others but I can tell my story.

I was circumcised shortly after I was born but I did not go home. I had an infection that kept me in the hospital for a week. I know this for a fact but my mother wont tell me any more. In fact she won't speak to me about circumcision at all.

I know that when my brother was born a year later it was a natural birth and he was circumcised by tying the foreskin with a small rope. After this is done the fore skin falls off a few days latter. He did not even cry I was told.

It is hard to say what goes on in a child when they are that young because no one remembers. Well, that is not exactly true. I and a few other people I have known have memories as far back as 12 to 14 months of age. I have these memories and I have amazed relatives when I have told them about the things I saw happen back then.
My circumcision scar left very little sensitivity on my penis. There is a little skin at the base that has a little sensitivity but the rest, even the glans is numb to anything but pain and pressure. I remember the way my genitals felt when I was around a year old. I remember masturbating at that age. I felt pressure in my prostate area and I would rock back and forth on a pillow or something until I felt tension and then a release. It was not pleasant, more like a biological necessity and I did not feel good about it afterward. This frustration was fairly constant.

There is a question of how a baby feels pain. Some people believe a new born does not feel any pain. Anyone who has heard a new born scream when cut by the circumcision knife knows that is ridiculous. Some say a new born does not remember pain and I question this. I can tell you what I remember from that time. My father was an alcoholic. When I was a year old he burned me with a hot clothes iron. The pain a baby feels can not be compared to an adult. The pain builds until it over whelms the nervous system. It does not end there. The baby is in a state where it can not believe it is alive because the pain is so intense. This lasts for a long time before the baby passes out or or the pain subsides. Maybe 6 months or a year latter my father picked me up, took me outside in the dead of winter and put my bare legs in the snow. It was as painful as the burning and again my mind could not believe I was still alive and in so much pain. That kind of pain is devastating to the development of social bonds, obviously. It can provoke a psychotic disposition. So why would the agony of circumcision not have an affect? Adults are in pain from this procedure for weeks. So how long is an infant in pain? And how is it affecting the development of social bonds? My mother was there both times my father hurt me and she could not console or reform the bonds broken by my father. Instead there was a psychological scar.

I continued to masturbate, not for pleasure but necessity. I felt a lot pressure. I would try to relieve it by humping a pillow or something. I know circumcised boys masturbate more. I think that not having the fore skin or having it damaged in some way causes unnatural pressure or discomfort. I figured out something happened down there before I knew what circumcision was because something did not feel right there.

I was 11 when noticed the skin at the top of my penis looked and felt different than the skin at the bottom. Specifically I noticed the skin at the top did not feel good, it felt a little bad. I looked at a scar on my arm and noticed the tissue looked the same. I asked my mom and that is when she told me I was circumcised. I said what is that? She said my penis was cut because boys needed it done. I felt bad. I did not understand how someone could cut or hurt my penis. The nerves remembered that something was painfully cut. It was an event I did not remember but from the way my penis felt it was obvious something happened. It was almost like it hurt like a phantom pain, but I could forget about it and I tried to forget it. I did not know what a fore skin was so I did forget about it, for the most part.

I did not form many friendships and got into many fights.

When I was hurt a rage would come over me.

A kid forced me to fight him after school when I was 14 and I beat him unconscious with my fists.

The majority of my dreams entailed me being chased with a weapon and many times ended with me attempting to kill my pursuer in the dream. These type of dreams persisted until my late teens.

I was not interested in sports until I watched football up close and then the violence interested me. Later I quit to wrestle because it was more intense. I begged my parents to let me box but they refused.

I had some, tiny success with girls in high school building sexul tension and a connection but I could not find a way to release or orgasm.

I was not and am not a sociopath. I was antisocial. I did not like people touching me unless it was during a sport activity. My brother an I were in a sledding accident. We went down a steep hill together only at the bottom we ran into a tree. I threw him off but I had to hit the tree myself. I was lucky I was not killed. I only suffered a neck and shoulder injury. I stood up for friends many times and was beaten up for it.

I have taken medicine for Depression since I was twenty.

The only orgasms I have experienced were few. Once I was having sex and I felt pressure on my prostate and I orgasmed. While there was pleasure, in a way, it is just not something I would try to do. I have felt sexua| excitement and it can make me climax but I have no functionality on the outside of my penis. When a woman strokes my penis it is great until she gets to the upper half where the scar tissue is. Then the excitement encounters the totally numb tissue and a psychotic feeling settles on me. The tissue remembers the damage, it remembers the trauma. If I could have sex and avoid that area that would be a solution but that area is too vital.

Did I have a botched circumcision? Probably. Does the tissue remember the trauma? Definitely. Are there psychological scars? What do you think? It is hard to say what is damaged in a child circumcising him days after birth but the agony at the time will inhibit any bonds needed to be made. Just as the physical scar is there, the psychological scar has to be there as well. Needless to say, not being able to sexually function with ones partner is a detriment to the relationship.

I remember pain as an infant and it is a hundred times more intense than what an adult feels. There is no way to compare it really. I went into severe shock from being burned with an iron when I was about one year old. The thought that went through my head was this pain is so bad I am going to die from it. All mammals have a natural fear of death even infants. And this was done to me repeatedly. As an adult I was burned by molten metal on a job. It hurt like hell but I just put on a bandage and went back to work.

Circumcision severely impaired my sexua| function. I can feel the scar tissue and in my case I know something was hurt. The nerves still hold the memory of the damage. I suspect I was psychologically scared by the circumcision and because the remnants of pain were left behind I carry it to this very day.

Circumcision is genital mutilation. Even when done with anesthesia and correct medical procedure the male is still losing most of his erogenous nerves and an important part of his penis, the glide function and the protection of the glans.

Some 'Men' who want it done might be happy with what they have left, if it still works. I have heard Jews, Muslims and others say it was just fine. That is their choice and I guess the glass is half full or what ever and I am happy for them. Then again, there are sick people out their who just enjoy hurting themselves and their views should never be forced onto anyone else.

If you torture a baby this way there is no way to describe how sadistic and sick you are. If your child finds that his penis is not working the way he would like it to, you have robbed him and scared him for life and to knowingly do that is sadistic and sick as well.

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- How I wish that every sick-in-the-head circumcisio... daizymae 13 y 17,640
  
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  How I wish that every sick-in-the-head circumcision fetishist (and that’s what they all are) would read your story.
  How I wish that every sick-in-the-head circumcision fetishist (and that's what they all are) would read your story.
  
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  - They are sick-in-the head. People who were lied to... leavethemalone 13 y 17,394
    
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    They are sick-in-the head. People who were lied to and were told that circumcision would not hurt their baby but that there were benefits have an excuse. Doctors should know better. I have seen v ....
    
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    They are sick-in-the head. People who were lied to and were told that circumcision would not hurt their baby but that there were benefits have an excuse. Doctors should know better. I have seen videos of circumcision and they are atrocious. You would have to know the baby is being tortured. You would have to question why healthy tissue must be removed from the penis.
    There are so many people who hated being circumcised. Ben Affleck to name one. I can't find any 'real' people who were happy with it. I just find anonymous bloggers saying how great it is.
    Medical problems with fore skins are almost unheard of in the UK. There is no medical justification for circumcision yet these sick people keep on wanting to push it. They end up severely desensitizing the penis. But circumcision can also impair sexua| function and even kill some babies.
    There is no way to measure how much I hate what they did to me.
    
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    - I for one have absolutely no problem with being ci... #133264 13 y 17,407
      
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      I for one have absolutely no problem with being circumsized, either physically or emotionally. I had a son who I had circumsized, and if I did it all over knowing what I know, I would do it again. ....
      
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      I for one have absolutely no problem with being circumsized, either physically or emotionally. I had a son who I had circumsized, and if I did it all over knowing what I know, I would do it again.
      You appear to be suffering more emotionally than physically with your issue.
      Stop dwelling on it, and move on with your life.
      
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      - So #133264, you know that circumcision removes ab... leavethemalone 13 y 17,925
        
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        So #133264, you know that circumcision removes about 70 percent of erogenous nerves in the penis, desensitizes the glans, no medical association in the world recommends it, most often it is perfo ....
        
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        So #133264, you know that circumcision removes about 70 percent of erogenous nerves in the penis, desensitizes the glans, no medical association in the world recommends it, most often it is performed with out anesthesia and it kills about 200 babies a year and you would still do it? It is hard for me to understand how people like you think.
        
        You may have been lucky that they left you with enough of your penis for it to work. If you had fore skin and then lost it I know you would be bitter. The practice started in America to inhibit the enjoyment of sex.
        
        About 2 percent of the time there are complications. The baby gets an infection or damage to the penis. Sometimes they amputate the penis like in the case of David Riemer.
        
        I had a an infection that kept me in the hospital for a week. Whatever happened left me with nerve damage there. No feelings in the upper half of the dick except pain and pressure. I have a phantom pain, like something used to be there and is now gone. It really psychologically disturbed me as a teenager when other kids were enjoying sex and something was not right with my own genitalia.
        
        How would you like to be an eleven year old boy who was curious about girls and wondered why his penis did not feel good? If some one cut off half your dick would you be bitter?
        
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        No, it’s not circumcision that’s evil: it’s the c... daizymae 13 y 17,296
        
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        No, it’s not circumcision that’s evil: it’s the circumcisers. Say it!
        No, it's not circumcision that's evil: it's the circumcisers. Say it!
        
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        Circumcisers are evil. leavethemalone 13 y 18,044
        
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        Circumcisers are evil.
        Circumcisers are evil.
        
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        If you had fore skin and then lost it I know you w... #133264 13 y 17,192
        
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        If you had fore skin and then lost it I know you would be bitter. If you had fore skin and then lost it I know you would be bitter. obviously I did at one time, and I had...but I’m not. I u ....
        
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        >If you had fore skin and then lost it I know you would be bitter.<
        
        obviously I did at one time, and I had...but I'm not.
        
        I use my dick for basically two things...pissing and ejaculating.
        Both functions work fine, and I dont spend a lot of time thinking about either one.
        Maybe you should (not) do the same!
        
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        #139224, I am glad you can piss and ejaculate just... leavethemalone 13 y 17,529
        
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        #139224, I am glad you can piss and ejaculate just fine. There is more to it than just that. You can’t appreciate that. Many people were genitally mutilated and can piss and ejaculate fine but th ....
        
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        #139224, I am glad you can piss and ejaculate just fine. There is more to it than just that. You can't appreciate that.
        Many people were genitally mutilated and can piss and ejaculate fine but they lost the ability to enjoy sex. You might be happy with what you have left but if you knew what you lost you would be bitter. If you were not bitter there would be something seriously wrong with you. Every man I came across who was circumcised latter in life was bitter, very bitter. Can you point to any men who were happy after being circumcised? I would like to see the links.
        
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        ”You might be happy with what you have left but if... #133264 13 y 17,238
        
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        ”You might be happy with what you have left but if you knew what you lost you would be bitter.” doubtful. A foreskin looks like the neck of a chicken. I’m perfectly happy with what I have. ”If ....
        
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        "You might be happy with what you have left but if you knew what you lost you would be bitter."
        doubtful. A foreskin looks like the neck of a chicken. I'm perfectly happy with what I have.
        
        "If you were not bitter there would be something seriously wrong with you."
        This isnt about me, its about you remember? You're the one that's bitter. And yet, I think theres something seriously wrong with YOU. Ironic, huh?
        
        "Every man I came across who was circumcised latter in life was bitter, very bitter."
        umm, maybe because it hurts like hell?
        
        "Can you point to any men who were happy after being circumcised? I would like to see the links."
        What good will that do? Not everyone thinks the same way you do.
        
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        It’s been expressed this way: A circumcised man o... daizymae 13 y 17,132
        
        hmmmmmmm, I would have to say thats wrong. Speaki... #133264 13 y 17,267
        
        #133264, the point of my argument is that most men... leavethemalone 13 y 17,651
        
        Here are links on men who HATED CIRCUMCISION. htt... leavethemalone 13 y 17,161
        
        ”the point of my argument is that most men want th... #133264 13 y 17,023
        
        #133264, I don’t really care to argue with some on... leavethemalone 13 y 16,929
        
        For those of you who think that doctors are normal... daizymae 13 y 17,328
        
        The Truth is ugly. leavethemalone 13 y 16,877
        
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        how bout a psychiatrist, that would be a good star... #133264 13 y 17,782
        
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        Tandem up? lol! We have mostly been at odds with ... RyanD 13 y 17,079
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        I guess we are all on the island of misfit toys! ... RyanD 13 y 17,077
        
        ahhhh, thats whats missing.. ..the foreskin to co... #133264 13 y 17,582
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        You think I insulted him first? He presumed to jud... leavethemalone 13 y 17,165
        
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        I grant you that there are those cases were men be... leavethemalone 13 y 16,950
        
        ’Still a proper pole is in order’ surely you me... #133264 13 y 17,007
        
        ”If genital mutilation occurs it is heinous crime.... RyanD 13 y 17,111
        
        You should know that study has been refuted by mos... leavethemalone 13 y 16,996
        
        I think this your problem. You and the others cont... RyanD 13 y 16,982
        
        methinks he likes the double standard. notice how... #133264 13 y 16,811
        
        I’m starting to think you are right! He asks for o... RyanD 13 y 16,990
        
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        I would say the thread is NOW done. #133264 13 y 17,779
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Circumcision causes inability to process emotions

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Study Links Circumcision to Personality Trait Disorder

Researchers find circumcised men have higher alexithymia scores than intact men. Alexithymia is the inability to process emotions.
Article | September 22, 2011 - 12:46pm

The International Journal of Men’s Health has published the first study of its kind to look at the link between the early trauma of circumcision and the personality trait disorder alexithymia. The study, by Dan Bollinger and Robert S. Van Howe, M.D., M.S., FAAP, found that circumcised men are 60% more likely to suffer from alexithymia, the inability to process emotions.

People suffering from alexithymia have difficulty identifying and expressing their emotions. This translates into not being able to empathize with others. Sufferers of severe alexithymia are so removed from their feelings that they view themselves as being robots. If acquired at an early age, such as from infant circumcision, it might limit access to language and impede the socialization process that begins early in life. Moderate to high alexithymia can interfere with personal relationships and hinder psychotherapy. Impulsive behavior is a key symptom of alexithymia, and impulsivity is a precursor to violence.

The idea for the investigation came when the authors noticed that American men (for whom circumcision is likely) had higher alexithymia scores than European men (for whom circumcision is unlikely), and that European men had about the same scores as European and American women.

The study surveyed 300 circumcised and intact men using the standardized Toronto Twenty-Item Alexithymia Scale checklist. Circumcised men had higher scores across the board and a greater proportion of circumcised men had higher scores than intact men.

A common reason fathers give for deciding to circumcise their son is so they will “look alike,” but these authors speculate that perhaps a subconscious motivation is so that they will “feel alike,” in other words as equally distant and emotionally unavailable as themselves. It was beyond this study’s design to test for this, and yet the comments received from circumcised participants speak to a vast psychic wounding, which, if unresolved, might lead to an unconscious desire to repeat the trauma upon others.

The authors recommend that more research be conducted on this topic, but in the meantime, parents considering circumcising their infant son should be informed that circumcision might put their son at risk for alexithymia, including difficulty identifying and expressing his feelings, and for impulsive behavior. Psychologists counseling alexithymic patients should investigate the patient’s childhood and neonatal history for possible traumatic events, including circumcision.

If this pattern of men suffering from circumcision-related trauma holds true for the general populace, this would constitute a significant mental health problem and, considering that three-fourths of the U.S. male population is circumcised, a public health problem, too.

Alexithymia is from ancient Greek meaning, “having no words for feelings.” It was coined by psychotherapist Peter Sifneos in 1973 to describe a state of deficiency in understanding, processing, or describing emotions. Alexithymia tends to be persistent and chronic; it doesn’t diminish with time. This is unlike other trauma-based reactions, like post-traumatic stress disorder, which typically dissipate soon after the trauma.

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- first message: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?... LuvCutCocks 10 y 2,568
  
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  Circumcision is the ULTIMATE BEST GIFT that a mom can give her son! Every one reading this should always circumcise your son ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT HESITATION. Not only will he and all his lovers achieve the best and most amazing sex- impossible with all that extra skin. But he fully handsome and confident. His partners will love his smooth clean cut cock......NO disgusting spare stench ridden, bacteria harbouring and f***ING UGLY foreskin to impede his life.
  Do it Circumcise your boys its the best gift you can give they will be eternally grateful
  
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  - Women’s un-altered genitals are even more disgusti... daizymae 10 y 6,324
    
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    Women’s un-altered genitals are even more disgusting than those of the intact male. Quite a few Middle East and African women are cut nice, clean and smooth. Indeed, they like their sheared geni ....
    
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    Women's un-altered genitals are even more disgusting than those of the intact male. Quite a few Middle East and African women are cut nice, clean and smooth. Indeed, they like their sheared genitals so much they make absolutely sure that the same cleaning and smoothing procedure is done to their own daughters.
    
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- Circumcision ruined my life. It destroyed my abil... Lightf00t 10 y 2,799
  
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  Circumcision ruined my life. It destroyed my ability to get sexual pleasure, gave me depression, anxiety and constant thoughts of suicide. Male ’circumcision’ is at least as sexually damagin ....
  
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  Circumcision ruined my life. It destroyed my ability to get sexual pleasure, gave me depression, anxiety and constant thoughts of suicide.
  
  Male 'circumcision' is at least as sexually damaging as type 2 FGM. The foreskin is the primary sexual organ containing the sensory equivalent of the glans clitoris, the clitoral hood/labia and all the encapsulated sex nerves in the vulval mucosa and vaginal canal.
  
  The glans penis is virtually sexually insensitive, contrary to popular belief. The people who adopted circumcision in the 1800s knew this; they did it to suppress male sexual pleasure.
  
  It is a human rights abuse and anyone who supports circumcision is a retard and/or a paedophile.
  
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    What Bullshit!!! Circumcision of the penis should be a routine process for every male.
    Circumcision IMPROVES sexual relations significantly for both parties.
    Circumcision greatly improves sensation for the male.
    Circumcision greatly improves sensation for the female.
    Circumcision greatly reduces a woman's risk of contracting cervical cancer.
    Circumcision greatly reduces the mans risk of contracting penile cancer
    There are hundreds more advantages which far outweigh the risks a thousand fold
    
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    - Yes, indeed, ”a routine process for every male”. ... daizymae 10 y 4,492
      
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      Yes, indeed, ”a routine process for every male”. LOL https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv3OxFVCUAARjjz.jpg
      Yes, indeed, "a routine process for every male". LOL
      
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- Another bogus article by some bogus people to disc... joiejoy 10 y 2,455
  
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  Another bogus article by some bogus people to discredit that which is a covenant between God and man.
  Another bogus article by some bogus people to discredit that which is a covenant between God and man.
  
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What is lost due to circumcision? #68716 13 y 6,402

What is lost due to circumcision?

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www.norm.org/lost.html The Lost List Thanks to Gary Harryman for putting this together Many people think circumcision removes nothing more than a little extra skin. The truth is that circumcision removes several critical components of male sexua| anatomy. This list enumerates everything currently known to be lost when one is circumcised. Included are notes on whether these losses can or cannot be amended by foreskin restoration. The information contained in this list may be upsetting to some, but we feel it is important and necessary for those considering res ... [Image Embedded Here] [This message is long. Retrieve the whole message]

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- Your opponents on this forum never put together an... leavethemalone 13 y 4,266
  
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  Your opponents on this forum never put together an argument like that ginab4u.
  Your opponents on this forum never put together an argument like that ginab4u.
  
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  - Isn’t it unbelievable how backwards this so called... #68716 13 y 4,158
    
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    Isn’t it unbelievable how backwards this so called 1st world leading country can be? This is just one thing of millions that we’ve got not only wrong, but completely backwards. That’s why it’s ....
    
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    Isn't it unbelievable how backwards this so called 1st world leading country can be? This is just one thing of millions that we've got not only wrong, but completely backwards.
    
    That's why it's so important to think about what you believe. We took on so many beliefs without even being aware we were doing it. Start with a foundation of love and peace and check all your beliefs to see if they fit those two things. You'll be amazed how much you have to get rid of!
    
    With love,
    
    Gina
    
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  - What a crock of shit you write Circumcision is th... LuvCutCocks 10 y 2,253
    
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    What a crock of shit you write Circumcision is the ULTIMATE BEST GIFT that a mom can give her son! Every one reading this should always circumcise your son ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT HESITATION. Not only ....
    
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    What a crock of shit you write
    Circumcision is the ULTIMATE BEST GIFT that a mom can give her son! Every one reading this should always circumcise your son ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT HESITATION. Not only will he and all his lovers achieve the best and most amazing sex- impossible with all that extra skin. But he fully handsome and confident. His partners will love his smooth clean cut cock......NO disgusting spare stench ridden, bacteria harbouring and f***ING UGLY foreskin to impede his life.
    Do it Circumcise your boys its the best gift you can give they will be eternally grateful
    
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- Excellent presentation ginab4u. leavethemalone 13 y 4,232
  
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  Excellent presentation ginab4u.
  Excellent presentation ginab4u.
  
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- Excellent, thanks for compiling this! mewminx 13 y 5,297
  
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  Excellent, thanks for compiling this!
  Excellent, thanks for compiling this!
  
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- first message: http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?... LuvCutCocks 10 y 2,633
  
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  What Bullshit!!! Circumcision of the penis should be a routine process for every male.
  Circumcision IMPROVES sexual relations significantly for both parties.
  Circumcision greatly improves sensation for the male.
  Circumcision greatly improves sensation for the female.
  Circumcision greatly reduces a woman's risk of contracting cervical cancer.
  Circumcision greatly reduces the mans risk of contracting penile cancer
  There are hundreds more advantages which far outweigh the risks a thousand fold
  
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This is a MUST READ RN Marc O 19 y 25,787 † C †

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Below is the text from a recent article that I ran accross. I think most of you will find it interisting and informative.

Circumcision: Much More Dangerous than a Foreskin

by Matheas

NOTE: Although perhaps the finest essay written on circumcision in quickly readable form, there are multiple points which (intentionally or otherwise) Dr. Paul Fleiss’s ”The Case Against Circumcision” does not mention. I think Dr. Fleiss wanted to leave his essay open to as many people as possible, wherefore he chose to keep it short and keep it fairly dry and scientific. For those who can handl ...
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- Get a clue. Who really cares. If it were upt o me ... Shiner12 19 y 13,160
  
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  Get a clue. Who really cares. If it were upt o me I think every male child on the planet should be circumcised. That way there are no diffference and there would not be such silly debates about this...
  
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  Get a clue. Who really cares. If it were upt o me I think every male child on the planet should be circumcised. That way there are no diffference and there would not be such silly debates about this topic. Do a little research and ask about all that lovely creams woman use to tone their skin. Ask if they mind rubbing the forskin cells on their face. Try to get them to give that up. See what kind of an uproar you create.
  
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  - Well, God it sounds to me that the cut penis worke... #23955 19 y 13,110
    
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    Well, God it sounds to me that the cut penis worked rather well. He has a child doesn’t he. Either way he is still a male and the equipment still does what it is suppose to. Thst is like arguing ....
    > If it were upt o me I think every male child on the
    > planet should be circumcised.
    
    Why? At this point in time most aren't except in the US, Arab countries and amongst Jews.
    
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  - and there would not be such silly debates about th... daizymae 19 y 13,114
    
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    and there would not be such silly debates about this topic. So your main reason for circumcising ”every male child” is to keep them all the same and avoiding ”silly debates”? You can accomplish ...
    
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    > If it were upt o me I think every male child on the planet
    > should be circumcised. That way there are no diffference
    > and there would not be such silly debates about this topic.
    
    So your main reason for circumcising "every male child" is to keep them all the same and avoiding "silly debates"? You can accomplish this by leaving them all INTACT and save everyone a lot of money! (and pain)
    
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- I have just read through your message and have to ... #53106 19 y 13,260
  
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  I have just read through your message and have to say it has had a profound effect on me I have had ongoing mental health and depression problems all my life i was a very unhappy and disturbed c ....
  
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  I have just read through your message and have to say it has had a profound effect on me
  I have had ongoing mental health and Depression problems all my life
  i was a very unhappy and disturbed child
  i do not have too many memories of my childhood but have one distinct and persistently disturbing memory of being in agony for quite a while and being bandaged completely round my genital area, going to the toilet was excruciating
  i have been told it was due to a circumcision which i needed because of medical reasons which have been lost in the mists of time.
  i do not know whether this was a successful or botched operation
  your message has given me many insights into my past and present
  i suffer from many of the problems you describe and completely fit the behavioral patterns of an archetypal traumatised circumcised male
  i have been experiencing problems with sensitivity in my penis and it is effecting my sex life dramatically over the last few years
  i was circumcised at the age of 4 and am 43 now
  i am deperate to find out about restoring sensitivity hence my visit to this site
  but the news that there is a a procedure for foreskin restoration is epiphanic
  please tell me more or point me in the right directions
  thank you so much
  and anyone who thinks i should "get a grip" is insensitive and shouldnt trouble to write on a site designed to help people with health problems however they may manifest
  
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- Hi my son is almost 9 months old. He had a circumc... #99747 16 y 12,259
  
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  Hi my son is almost 9 months old. He had a circumcision in the hospital. Since then his penis has retracted within the foreskin and has not corrected itself yet. Only when he is getting ready to u ....
  
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  Hi my son is almost 9 months old. He had a circumcision in the hospital. Since then his penis has retracted within the foreskin and has not corrected itself yet. Only when he is getting ready to urinate will it come out. Dr feels that once fat pad goes away it will correct. But he didn't have a fat pad when this first happened - when he was born and had the circ afterwards. At first we thought he was just healing. We did everything we were supposed to so he would not get scar tissue. I am very concerned. There is extra skin that wraps around like a turtleneck with his penis hidden below. Is this a common thing that corrects itself? I feel like dr is just putting this off. Please help me. I really need to know if this is going to be an issue. Thanks.
  
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  - you are replying to a very old thread. you should ... Quinta_Essentia 16 y 12,579
    
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    you are replying to a very old thread. you should post this as a new message elesewhere. here might be a good place to start - http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=362
    
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    you are replying to a very old thread. you should post this as a new message elesewhere.
    
    here might be a good place to start -
    
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- There is a significant error in this very well tho... stanley1888 13 y 11,420
  
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  There is a significant error in this very well thought out discourse with regard to cancer of the penis and circumcision. it is that circumcision has in fact NO effect on penile caner rates. The r ....
  
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  There is a significant error in this very well thought out discourse with regard to cancer of the penis and circumcision. it is that circumcision has in fact NO effect on penile caner rates. The reference made to the possible flaws in the original determination I will explain here.
  Cancer of the penis is to be considered an old man's disease, with an average age at onset fo 67 years. At the time these conclusions were drawn, there were not yet any significant amounts of men in this age group in America missing their foreskins. As the population grew older to include the masses mutilated at birth, the cancer rates balanced out. in whole men, the cancer typically presents as a sore spot on the glans of the penis, in mutilated men it typically appears on the scar of the circumcision.The result was that many men died or lost their penises as a result of this mild, easily treated "nusiance" cancer. I Doctors were taught that circumcised men could not get penile cancer and thus by the time it was properly identified it was usually to late for a good outcome. The medical profession had remained relatively quiet about this. Although the cancer society or whatever It's called in the U.S. has stated categorically that circumcision must no longer be described as preventative, the circumcisionists and greedy medical professionals still use it to trick or scare te ignorant populace into letting them mutilate their children.
  I suspect that there is now hardly ever found an intact sufferer of this extremely rare disease, which is rarer than Breast Cancer is in men.
  Cancer of the penis has been connected to smoking and hygiene. While not yet examined exhaustively yet, common sense can clear this up ( yes, I know few of us actually seem to have common sense)
  Given that 1) cigarettes and cigarette smoke are highly carcinogenic 2) smokers smoke a lot and do not habitually wash their hands after smoking 3) We (men) all handle our penises a LOT. All the time. Play with it. Pee with it. Sleep with our hands on it. Have you ever smelled a smoker's hands? Obviously smokers who bathe more frequently will fare better at washing the carcinogenic compounds off their penises before they can do too much damage. After forty years or so of smoking steadily one may get cancer.
  I conclude that if you DON'T smoke, you CAN'T get cancer of the penis. So really, cutting off foreskins to prevent or reduce the chance of penile cancer is like amputating a foot to prevent or reduce the chance of pneumonia. It doesn't work.
  
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  - Unsupported nonsense n/m spudlydoo 13 y 11,451
    
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  - Re: This is a MUST READ LuvCutCocks 10 y 7,412
    
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    What Bullshit!!! Circumcision of the penis should be a routine process for every male.
    Circumcision IMPROVES sexual relations significantly for both parties.
    Circumcision greatly improves sensation for the male.
    Circumcision greatly improves sensation for the female.
    Circumcision greatly reduces a woman's risk of contracting cervical cancer.
    Circumcision greatly reduces the mans risk of contracting penile cancer
    There are hundreds more advantages which far outweigh the risks a thousand fold
    
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i want my foreskin back!!!! R #60750 18 y 15,369

i want my foreskin back!!!!

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"I've wondered how it feels to have a foreskin all my life ."

"I think of myself and other circumcised men as amputees."

"I am always thinking: where is my foreskin?"

" I think of myself as existing in two parts: my missing foreskin and the rest of me."

"I have always felt that I was cut off of my foreskin, not vice versa."

"I was circumcised when I was a year old. I remember my foreskin. I want my foreskin back!!!!

"If the only uncircumcised man in a shower feels 'different', imagine how the only circumcised man feels."

"If I knew who cut my foreskin off, I'd cut off his entire penis OFF!!

"I think I could have accepted a deformity that was an accident of nature, but I can't accept that someone did that to me."

"I have resented being circumcised ever since I saw my first uncircumcised friend."

"What circumcision did to my body is bad enough, but what it did to my mind is worse."

"Whenever I take a shower I always retract my imaginary foreskin and wash under it, just as if I had never been circumcised."

"My feelings about the doctor who circumcised me are too violent to describe."

"I have nightmares about being circumcised by force."

"I tried several times to ask my mother about what had been done to me; but when I opened my mouth to speak, the words stuck in my throat and no sound came out."

"Why would anyone cut up a baby's penis? How could anyone let himself or anyone else do it?"

"I never told my parents how I feel."

"I couldn't even make myself say `circumcised' until I was in my twenties."

"I was just a baby -- I couldn't stop them."

"I've always pretended I didn't care."

"I envy my dog."

"I have revenge fantasies about circumcision."

"The fact that other boys were circumcised too never made me feel any better."

"I have never been able to accept the fact that someone cut part of my penis off when I was a baby. The sheer monstrousness of it haunts every waking moment of my life. Sometimes I think I'm beginning to make some sort of adjustment to it, but then I see an unmutilated man in a shower or magazine and I become overwhelmed by uncontrollable feelings of outrage and disbelief that I was made the victim for life of something so sick. Sometimes I feel I'm at the edge of madness and just can't handle it."

"My mother told me she could hear my screams from the other end of the hall."

"There's something very wrong and very frightening about a society that systematically tortures and mutilates babies."

"Adrenaline shoots through me when I hear the word ‘circumcised’ -- I freeze."

"My greatest fear to this day is having a knife pulled on me."

"When I was a child, I prayed I would get my foreskin back in Heaven."

"I hate being circumcised."

"I feel the way I imagine the Elephant Man would have felt if he had found out that he had been born normal but that someone had done that to him."

"What possible advantage could there be to removing from the penis its only movable part?"

"I wanted to be a girl when I was a child because I knew that girls weren't circumcised."

"I used to think there were two kinds of boys: circumcised boys like me and real boys."

"I went to a nude beach in Yugoslavia and felt like a freak."

"The worst thing about circumcision is that it produces circumcisers."

"It hurt. It bled. It left an ugly scar."

"I never got used to being circumcised. I just learned to endure it."

"Butchers!"

"I hate the word ‘circumcised.’ The sound ‘cir-’ makes me shudder."

"Fear, pain, crippling, disfigurement and humiliation are the classic ways to break the human spirit. Circumcision includes them all."

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- ””I was circumcised when I was a year old. I remem... ryan mccormack 18 y 13,519
  
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  ””I was circumcised when I was a year old. I remember my foreskin. I want my foreskin back!!!” Hey dude, I feel for you if you’re not happy with things, but medically i don’t think there’s any ....
  
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  ""I was circumcised when I was a year old. I remember my foreskin. I want my foreskin back!!!"
  
  Hey dude, I feel for you if you're not happy with things, but medically i don't think there's any way you could recall not having a foreskin at age one. I've chatted to a paediatrician friend of mine and he indicates that one only develops conscious recall after age two. Then again I'm sure there's some psychiatrist who will indicate that it's all in the subconscious mind. I'd be interested to know how you are aware of a difference - how does one judge a preference if you have never been afforded anything to compare it to? I think it's others around you maybe who have convinced you of your perceived inadequacy. Remember that no one can force that on you even if your circ was. Interestingly I was circumcised as a baby (like most of my family and friends) and I have no problems with it at all. I think a lot of it is up to your individual circumstances and how you deal with it. Like being dealt (what you may deem to be) a bad pack of cards. Okay, so you were chopped and someone convinced you that it was the cause of all your woes - then get on the net and grow it back with one of these contraptions (I know it's not the real McCoy, but all the restoring guys says it's the best thing since sliced bread). If you're too scared to do that then accept your fate as you aren't going to try and change it. Or maybe you want everyone to continue telling you that it's the cause of all your inadequacies? I think you're better than that. In the meantime let the rest of us (who are happy with our dicks) get on with life.
  
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  - So a single medico told you infants have no recall... tass 18 y 13,468
    
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    So a single medico told you infants have no recall? And that is now set in stone? I know a number of people who have memories from under 2 years, verified by family. But doctors are always righ ....
    
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    So a single medico told you infants have no recall? And that is now set in stone?
    
    I know a number of people who have memories from under 2 years, verified by family. But doctors are always right aren't they!
    
    My own brother has never gotten over being circumcised either - he manages to lock it away most of the time, but repression isn't always 100%, no matter how hard a person tries to move on. He has attempted restoration, but it didn't work.
    
    I get bitter about circumcision sometimes too, as most men of my generation have been done, and after being married to a natural man I know what I am now missing. My partners since then have been done, and believe me, it is not nearly as good, especially now that I am approaching menopause, I would dearly love my OH to be intact, as it would be so much more comfortable. Having had a lot of surgery in that area, lubrication issues, dried up glans plus scar tissue is not a good combination.
    
    What I wouldn't give for an intact partner now!
    
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    - Re: i want my foreskin back!!!! ryan mccormack 18 y 15,516
      
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      Hi Tass.
      
      If you read my letter I said that I cannot understand how a one year old is aware of his lack of a foreskin. Not the fact that he was circumcised (which I'm not that sure about either, but that's another issue). I think that an individual would only develop this kind of opinion through chatting to others (difficult at age one), looking at others and being in the minority (I think kids aren't aware of this until later on) or by developing some kind of sexual inability later in life (again unlikely at age one!). That's of course if the sexual inability is directly from circ or blamed thereon. In any case, if one follows your argument on permanently damaged from a circ experience, the there must be an awful lot of claustrophobics as a result of travelling through the birth canal? That, I dare say,would not apply to someone who was born by caesarean section? Go figure. Anyhow if circumcision was responsible for all the problems you mention, then how is it that there are a load of us circ'd guys who actually do fine? Again go figure.The crux of the matter is essentially that one must either put up with the perceived ills or shutup if you're not going to try and act on it. IE: Get restored (and I'm all for that if someone hates their circ status or their weiner). Otherwise moaning without any action to change the problem is like a bag of hot air. Then sh*t up.
      
      Hope things work out for you. In the meantime give your other half all the support he needs. Then you are more than half way to solving the problem. Interestingly my GF would never swap a circ'd partner for a foreskinned variety as she feels sex is no where near as good. And she has incidently experienced both (she's from the UK). Just the other side of the coin.
      
      Take care.
      
      Ryan.
      
      P.S: inasmuch as you dislike my quoting a doctor, I do believe that he is more qualified that me to pass an opinion on childhood development. It is after all his field. Please don't tell me that you are one of those individuals who don't trust anything a doctor says, but then rushes off to the ER when you get very sick, seeking medical advise that you later criticise. (Oh and by the way, I don't believe everything doctors say).
      
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      - Re: I want mine skinned back too Charles II 16 y 14,418
        
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        If it's not circumcised, then skin it all the way back and keep it that way. Hide that ugly smelly thing.
        
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      - Re: Ryan makes excellent points Charles II 16 y 12,425
        
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        Ryan made excellent points about a one-year old's comprehension and interpretation of circumcision (or of anything).
        Studies have show that boys do not become aware of their penis as the central part of their manhood until they reach nearly age 5.
        A psychologist wrote a book on the study of psychological impotence and one of its chief causes. A study of those victims found to have nothing physically wrong with their sexual anatomy but who were nonetheless quite impotent found one thing they all had in common. They had been circumcised when they were about age 5.
        It seems that they had become aware of their penises and their manhoods, but were not old enough yet to recognize that the foreskin was not an essential functional part of the penis.
        
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- Re: i want my foreskin back!!!! UserX 18 y 13,176
  
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  Living in victim energy won't get your foreskin back or make you feel better.
  
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- It does sound rather barbaric to be removed of thi... babsbiltmore 18 y 13,362
  
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  It does sound rather barbaric to be removed of this part of the anatomy. Hygiene was the excuse But my father who was not circumsized and he told me (in his later years after my mom died) that ....
  
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  It does sound rather barbaric to be removed of this part of the anatomy.
  
  Hygiene was the excuse
  But my father who was not circumsized and he told me (in his later years after my mom died) that if a uncircumsized male is not having sexual realtionships then the foreskin tend to adhere to the shaft...so there really are health issues later in life- that is if you are not using the ...ah hem member
  
  So maybe this is why?
  
  Doctors often suggest one's son (and I have one) will feel "different" in the locker room at those very insecure teen years-I think men have a tendency to be this with or without
  
  All this emphasis on size- this sexulazation of the most intimate sharing of energies-I do not understand it
  
  Just what I was told by dear ol Dad
  
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- I think you guys are pulling our uncircumcised cha... sug 18 y 13,175
  
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  I think you guys are pulling our uncircumcised chain.
  I think you guys are pulling our uncircumcised chain.
  
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- This is exactly why I didn’t get my boys done when... #74958 17 y 13,927
  
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  This is exactly why I didn’t get my boys done when they were born. I saw a TV show back in the 80’s before they were born. I think it was Donahue or something like that. It was a panel of men who wa...
  
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  This is exactly why I didn't get my boys done when they were born. I saw a TV show back in the 80's before they were born. I think it was Donahue or something like that. It was a panel of men who wanted foreskin reattachment surgery. When I saw the trouble they were going through I decided right then and there that I would not circumcise my son is I had one. After a few arguments with my husband, he tried but his argument was weak, "I want my boys to look like me" , I won my case. I saw on the TV that day the surgery these men had done. It can be done. I found these sites and thought I would pass them along.
  
  This site is the group that was on the show.
  
  http://www.norm.org/surgery.html
  
  This is a site of an alternative way to bring bake the foreskin...not sure it works but I put it in anyway.
  
  http://www.4restore.com/?source=google5
  
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- As long as I can remember I have wanted to dig up ... zabavadad 16 y 12,359
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THINK. Don't cut your baby boys!!!! #68716 13 y 5,793

THINK. Don't cut your baby boys!!!!

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- Re: THINK. Don't castrate your baby boys!!!! RyanD 13 y 5,005
  
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  Re: THINK. Don't castrate your baby boys!!!!
  How about a video of a real castration for an encor! lol!
  
  It's all an illusion,,it's all an illusion,,,,,lol!
  
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  - RyanD, you are about as funny as inoperable brain ... leavethemalone 13 y 4,820
    
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    RyanD, you are about as funny as inoperable brain cancer.
    RyanD, you are about as funny as inoperable brain cancer.
    
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    - Poor child! So many want to abort you or castrate ... RyanD 13 y 4,971
      
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      Poor child! So many want to abort you or castrate you ! Especially those who unknowingly speak for the elitist powers that consider you nothing but a useless eater or others who consider you just ....
      
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      Poor child! So many want to abort you or castrate you ! Especially those who unknowingly speak for the elitist powers that consider you nothing but a useless eater or others who consider you just an inconvenience!! Beware of Nazi's wearing liberal sheeps clothing!
      
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- Re: THINK. Don't cut your baby boys!!!! Tiki 13 y 4,811
  
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  In studies published in the past decade, the removal of the foreskin provided a 50% reduction in HIV transmission, a threefold reduction in human papillomavirus (HPV) infections in female partners of circumcised men (HPV can cause cervical cancer), and lower rates of syphilis and chlamydia, which causes sterility and is the main sexually transmitted disease among teenagers. Circumcised infants were also roughly 10 times less likely to suffer urinary tract infections and the high fevers associated with them. And circumcision virtually eliminates serious penile cancers, which invade about 1 in 100,000 uncircumcised men.
  That's why I circumcised my son.
  
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  - Tiki, except that study was shown to be false. The... leavethemalone 13 y 4,690
    
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    Tiki, except that study was shown to be false. The fact that HIV infections are much higher in the US where circumcision is the norm as compared to countries like the UK where circumcision is not ....
    
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    Tiki, except that study was shown to be false. The fact that HIV infections are much higher in the US where circumcision is the norm as compared to countries like the UK where circumcision is not the norm. Penile cancer in uncircmcised men is less likely than Breast Cancer in men. For these reason all medical associations have found there are no significant health benefits for circumcision.
    
    Please don't take this as a personal attack. I just feel you have gotten hold of some info that has been discredited in recent years.
    
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    - But the part about circumcised men having a three... Tiki 13 y 4,768
      
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      But the part about circumcised men having a threefold reduction in transferring human papillomavirus (HPV) infections to female partners is true. Anyway, I just wanted to bring some other thou ....
      
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      But the part about circumcised men having a threefold reduction in transferring human papillomavirus (HPV) infections to female partners is true.
      Anyway, I just wanted to bring some other thoughts to the discussion. My son was circumcised because he is jewish. And, neither he nor his father has ever had any complications related to circumcision.
      
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      - Tiki, not true. Yes some studies said there was a ... leavethemalone 13 y 4,862
        
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        Tiki, not true. Yes some studies said there was a reduction in HIV transfers, but there were problems with those studies. If it did reduce HIV the USA should have the least infections not the mos ....
        
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        Tiki, not true. Yes some studies said there was a reduction in HIV transfers, but there were problems with those studies. If it did reduce HIV the USA should have the least infections not the most. My cousins family is Jewish and I have read that not all Jews circumcise. And at many times in history they changed the practice. At one point only a little of the fore skin was taken off. So I think that at one point Jews were concerned not to take too much pleasure away from the penis. Just a guess. That is what some historians have said anyway. Complications occur 2 percent of the time when done today so most often people won't report a problem but loss of sensitivity is proven to occur.
        
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        Leavethemalone, I wasn’t talking about HIV. I was... Tiki 13 y 4,928
        
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        Leavethemalone, I wasn’t talking about HIV. I was talking about human papillomavirus (HPV) infections to female partners. As far as complications are concerned, I am sure there are some - there ....
        
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        Leavethemalone, I wasn't talking about HIV. I was talking about human papillomavirus (HPV) infections to female partners. As far as complications are concerned, I am sure there are some - there are complications to every thing we do- but as I said, neither my husband or son had any complications. And in my memory, I don't believe that I have ever heard of complications (from the people that I know). In my mind, it's just not a bad thing. I read once that when parents are trying to decide on circumcision, one important aspect is whether or not the father is circumcised. If so, then it leans towards doing the son, if not, then the son probably shouldn't be either.
        
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        Tiki, I got you now. Yes it reduces the infection ... leavethemalone 13 y 4,755
        
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        Tiki, I got you now. Yes it reduces the infection but it is still considered insignificant in the reports I read. My father was not circumcised. I was cut because ”all the boys were getting cut” b ....
        
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        Tiki, I got you now. Yes it reduces the infection but it is still considered insignificant in the reports I read. My father was not circumcised. I was cut because "all the boys were getting cut" back then. That is what my mom said. I am sure your husband and son are fine and I hope they remain healthy. If you had to do it over and you knew that you were removing 70 percent of the erogenous nerves when you cut the fore skin would you do it again? I could not circumcise my son after understanding the function of the fore skin. If I had him cut and they screwed up and mutilated him it would really be hard to live with.
        
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      - Re: THINK. Don't cut your baby boys!!!! LuvCutCocks 10 y 3,701
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        ”not exactly true”. You throw around a lot of unsu... RyanD 13 y 4,775
        
        The study was done on heterosexuals in the USA. Go... leavethemalone 13 y 4,813
        
        The Benefits of Circumcision! RyanD 13 y 4,663
        
        Re: The Benefits of Circumcision! Doubtful leavethemalone 13 y 4,715
        
        you'll never win with extremists........... #133264 13 y 4,644
        
        2 percent have complications that are life threate... leavethemalone 13 y 4,759
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        The same right that a parent has to give heart sur... Tiki 13 y 4,666
        
        Wow, look at what you said. It shows how little yo... #68716 13 y 4,664
        
        OMG what is wrong with people? #68716 13 y 4,687
        
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        If you had a bad experience with circumcision, I u... Tiki 13 y 4,559
        
        Well I disagree Tiki. A parent does not have right... leavethemalone 13 y 4,768
        
        the rest of the world?? #133264 13 y 5,124
        
        80 percent of the world is not circumcised but it ... leavethemalone 13 y 4,822
        
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        Re: THINK. Don't cut your baby boys!!!! Tiki 13 y 4,771
        
        There are no health reasons to circumcise, only re... leavethemalone 13 y 4,789
        
        I guess I don’t see it as important, because I had... Tiki 13 y 4,749
        
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There are NO reasons to circumcise (except religion, and what does that tell you?)

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DECIDING WHETHER OR NOT TO CIRCUMCISE YOUR BABY BOY

This is a decision that many parents face. There are many misconceptions and out-of-date information that parents may read. Here is a summary of the pertinent issues that you should consider when making this decision.
1. Medical benefits - THERE ARE NONE! Do not circumcise your baby because you think there are some medical benefits. A recent review by the American Academy of Pediatrics looked at all the data from the past decades to see if there truly were any medical benefits. Their conclusion - NO. There are no significant medical benefits that make circumcision worth doing. Here are a few benefits that we used to think were true, and now know are not.
  
  Cleanliness - although it is true, a circumcised penis does not collect any white stuff underneath the foreskin like an intact penis does, THIS IS NOT A MEDICAL BENEFIT. It is really just one less area to wash in the shower.
  
  Decreased risk of STD's - this was a myth that we now know is not true.
  
  Decreased risk of penile cancer - it used to be thought that circumcised men had a much lower chance of cancer of the penis. We now know that this benefit is much smaller than previously thought. The AAP determined that this benefit is so tiny, it is not worth circumcising for this reason.
  
  Avoiding infections in the foreskin - it is true, occasionally intact foreskins get irritated. This is easily treated with warms soaks and washing. Rarely, the irritated foreskin becomes infected. This requires antibiotics to clear up, but is easily treatable. Even if this does happen once or twice in a person's life, it is not a reason to circumcise at birth.
  
  Avoiding the need to do it later on - very rarely, someone has a problem with recurrent infections in the foreskin that need antibiotic treatment. Some of these men then need to be circumcised in an operating room under general anesthesia. This is extremely rare, however, and is not a reason to circumcise everyone at birth.
  
  Avoiding bladder infections - it used to thought that circumcised boys and men had a much lower chance of bladder infections. The AAP now knows that this benefit is very small, and is only true for the first few years of life. After that, there is no difference in the number of bladder infections. Again, not a reason to circumcise.
  
  THEREFORE, IF YOU DECIDE TO CIRCUMCISE YOUR CHILD, DO NOT DO SO BECAUSE YOU THINK THERE IS ANY MEDICAL BENEFIT.
2. Religious reasons - some people choose to circumcise for religious or cultural reasons. This is a personal decision.
3. Don't want to be teased - while this may have been true in the U.S. decades ago, the truth is that your uncircumcised kids will be in good company in the locker room when they are teenagers. Less and less people in the U.S. are now circumcising their boys.
4. Too much trouble to take care of - some people think that an intact penis is too much trouble to pull back and clean, especially during childhood. Well, the truth is, you are not even supposed to pull back the foreskin until it naturally comes back on its own between age 3 years and adolescence. So there really isn't anything to even take care of until then.
5. Want your boy to look like dad - the main difference that your child will notice between him and dad is the hair. He won't even notice any difference in the penis until he is old enough that you can then explain to him the difference.
So, what are the reasons TO circumcise? Here is the list:
Religious reasons
- as discussed above. That is all. There really is no good reason to circumcise other that personal preference and religious reasons.

Are there any reasons NOT to circumcise? Consider these:
1. Leave nature alone - whether you believe God created men with a foreskin, or nature simply evolved this way, there must be some reason men have foreskins. Why change something that God/nature has created?
2. Sensation and sexua| pleasure - the foreskin is filled with nerves, and is therefore extremely sensitive to touch. This enhances sexua| pleasure.
3. Protects the glans (head) of the penis - the glans is another highly sensitive area. The foreskin protects the glans from constant rubbing and chaffing against clothing that can desensitize it over the years. This preserves sexua| pleasure.
4. Ethical issues - there are groups of people worldwide, including medical societies, that oppose routine circumcision because they feel it is unethical for a parent to decide to alter the penis of their child without the child's consent. Parents who are deciding whether or not to circumcise their son may wish to consider the impact this may have in the future if the child decides they wish they were not circumcised.
So, when making this decision, the first thing to ask yourself is this - "Do I have any good reason to circumcise my baby?" If your answer is for religious reasons, then follow your faith. If not, and you can't think of any other significant reason other than just "because", then consider the above information as you make your decision.

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    Circumcision is the ULTIMATE BEST GIFT that a mom can give her son! Every one reading this should always circumcise your son ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT HESITATION. Not only will he and all his lovers achieve the best and most amazing sex- impossible with all that extra skin. But he fully handsome and confident. His partners will love his smooth clean cut cock......NO disgusting spare stench ridden, bacteria harbouring and f***ING UGLY foreskin to impede his life.
    Do it Circumcise your boys its the best gift you can give they will be eternally grateful
    
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the ark of the covenant has been found?

How can 6 million years of evolution be wrong???

Here is my question. 6 million years of primate evolution have led us to a penis with a foreskin. Then a few thousand years ago, some guys who bathed themselves who knows how often, decided ....

There’s no such proven thing as evolution. Man’s only been on earth for 6 thousand years and circumcision was started as a covenant between Abraham and God. It was a show of faith by Abraham and ....

Just my opinion, I’m for circumcision, but in your case it will be a painful process to endure unless there’s a risk of infection. #1, you have to be happy and comfortable in your own skin before ....

Reason enough to do it when they’re babies. If any ended up with infection later on in life and had to do it then...take if from your father...it’s not something that would be fondly remembered. ....

God made man to be able to choose for themselves. If he wanted mindless senseless robots, he would have made them. He wanted faithful followers who did good out of love for him. many people hav ....

i’ve also read that there is less - to me that makes more sense. after all the foreskin is nothing more than a protective layer, without it, the head rubs against clothing all day long (which I’m ....

you say.... ”Like I said, if God said to do it, It can’t be bad cause God can never say anything that’s ”wrong” or ”bad” cause God is good in all he says and does and has nothing but best inten ....

you say.... ”Like I said, if God said to do it, It can’t be bad cause God can never say anything that’s ”wrong” or ”bad” cause God is good in all he says and does and has nothing but best inten ....

so now you are saying that god didn’t give babies enough vitamin k and theirfore some ”educated” fool that knows better than god called a human is goig to ”monkey around with nature? that is assan ....

nobody persecutes, tortures and kills like christians

.....and it still goes on today, not by Christians but by those that care not about what Jesus stands for their only interest is (and there’s many) that only have evil in their minds. I could cal ....

lets not beat around the bush - the bush administration that is. those christian zionist neocons luvs dem sum torture, sho nuff.

and dont think for one second that anything has changed for the better.

I care not about your pictures Trapper this I show is reality, man’s inhumanity to man that God only can deal with. Stuff your blame game mate because you only show your hate. Try show your love ....

i wonder about you.

you should have asked assad first http://abcnews.go.com/International/video/assad-claims-viral-picture-syrian-boy-ambulance-fake-42944560 youve been jewed

So now Assad is genuine person. Just go back to the beginning of the Syrian uprising, was that fake? That shooting protestors did not take place? You have taken in Satan to guide you. Assad is ....

yea, jewed. they own everything that you have ever heard about assad. why do you choose to believe them? and how hard is it to believe a man is evil? the bible says all men are evil. so how i ....

Yep the truth. You allow the Jewish people to override it. Never mind eh?

male circumcision = female sexual power

Re: let the child grow up and make his own choice.

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The US is the only western country to practise routine infant circumcision. Thankfully all other western countries do not do so routinely. There is probably some correlation between routine inf ....

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what the hell happened to me? or Circumcision is Evil

How I wish that every sick-in-the-head circumcision fetishist (and that’s what they all are) would read your story.

They are sick-in-the head. People who were lied to and were told that circumcision would not hurt their baby but that there were benefits have an excuse. Doctors should know better. I have seen v ....

I for one have absolutely no problem with being circumsized, either physically or emotionally. I had a son who I had circumsized, and if I did it all over knowing what I know, I would do it again. ....

So #133264, you know that circumcision removes about 70 percent of erogenous nerves in the penis, desensitizes the glans, no medical association in the world recommends it, most often it is perfo ....

No, it’s not circumcision that’s evil: it’s the circumcisers. Say it!

Circumcisers are evil.

If you had fore skin and then lost it I know you would be bitter. If you had fore skin and then lost it I know you would be bitter. obviously I did at one time, and I had...but I’m not. I u ....

#139224, I am glad you can piss and ejaculate just fine. There is more to it than just that. You can’t appreciate that. Many people were genitally mutilated and can piss and ejaculate fine but th ....

”You might be happy with what you have left but if you knew what you lost you would be bitter.” doubtful. A foreskin looks like the neck of a chicken. I’m perfectly happy with what I have. ”If ....

Circumcision causes inability to process emotions

Study Links Circumcision to Personality Trait Disorder

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Women’s un-altered genitals are even more disgusting than those of the intact male. Quite a few Middle East and African women are cut nice, clean and smooth. Indeed, they like their sheared geni ....

Circumcision ruined my life. It destroyed my ability to get sexual pleasure, gave me depression, anxiety and constant thoughts of suicide. Male ’circumcision’ is at least as sexually damagin ....

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Yes, indeed, ”a routine process for every male”. LOL https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv3OxFVCUAARjjz.jpg

Another bogus article by some bogus people to discredit that which is a covenant between God and man.

What is lost due to circumcision?

Your opponents on this forum never put together an argument like that ginab4u.

Isn’t it unbelievable how backwards this so called 1st world leading country can be? This is just one thing of millions that we’ve got not only wrong, but completely backwards. That’s why it’s ....

What a crock of shit you write Circumcision is the ULTIMATE BEST GIFT that a mom can give her son! Every one reading this should always circumcise your son ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT HESITATION. Not only ....

Excellent presentation ginab4u.

Excellent, thanks for compiling this!

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Get a clue. Who really cares. If it were upt o me I think every male child on the planet should be circumcised. That way there are no diffference and there would not be such silly debates about this...

Well, God it sounds to me that the cut penis worked rather well. He has a child doesn’t he. Either way he is still a male and the equipment still does what it is suppose to. Thst is like arguing ....

and there would not be such silly debates about this topic. So your main reason for circumcising ”every male child” is to keep them all the same and avoiding ”silly debates”? You can accomplish ...

I have just read through your message and have to say it has had a profound effect on me I have had ongoing mental health and depression problems all my life i was a very unhappy and disturbed c ....

Hi my son is almost 9 months old. He had a circumcision in the hospital. Since then his penis has retracted within the foreskin and has not corrected itself yet. Only when he is getting ready to u ....

you are replying to a very old thread. you should post this as a new message elesewhere. here might be a good place to start - http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=362

There is a significant error in this very well thought out discourse with regard to cancer of the penis and circumcision. it is that circumcision has in fact NO effect on penile caner rates. The r ....

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i want my foreskin back!!!!

””I was circumcised when I was a year old. I remember my foreskin. I want my foreskin back!!!” Hey dude, I feel for you if you’re not happy with things, but medically i don’t think there’s any ....

So a single medico told you infants have no recall? And that is now set in stone? I know a number of people who have memories from under 2 years, verified by family. But doctors are always righ ....

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It does sound rather barbaric to be removed of this part of the anatomy. Hygiene was the excuse But my father who was not circumsized and he told me (in his later years after my mom died) that ....

I think you guys are pulling our uncircumcised chain.

This is exactly why I didn’t get my boys done when they were born. I saw a TV show back in the 80’s before they were born. I think it was Donahue or something like that. It was a panel of men who wa...

THINK. Don't cut your baby boys!!!!

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RyanD, you are about as funny as inoperable brain cancer.

Poor child! So many want to abort you or castrate you ! Especially those who unknowingly speak for the elitist powers that consider you nothing but a useless eater or others who consider you just ....