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- Re: If you regret ever finding this ... clemjk
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This is a reply to # 153,632Hey,
This happened to me after a couple of flushes, severe pain in in my right side and mid abdomin and severe bloating. I immediately did another flush taking more water with the ebson salts to wash everything out. Then I followed with fresh lemon and olive oil about 2 tbsps each in the mornings for a week. If that happens you need to flush again or take something that will move your bowels fast. Magnesium peroxide is good as well - Re: If you regret ever finding this ... probin
18 y
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This is a reply to # 153,632this is why it is so vitally important to thoroughly cleanse the colon before moving on to other organs.
i spoke with a gentleman yesterday who was doing a liver cleanse. he was going to do a Colon Cleanse after. i suggested he might want to reverse the order so his colon was clean...
i am wondering -- since i have heard of parasites discovered in Gallstones -- if parasites might not have been dislodged from the gallbladder and just relocated to the colon. i would do another colon/ parasite cleanse.
did you try using a zapper along with a parasite cleanse AFTER the pain began? i would use a good oscillating frequency zapper.
and have you seen a chiropractor? a nerve might be pinched to that very area. ? sometimes the spine is where pain begins and ends.
those are steps i would take if it was my body. i'll do anything be pain free -- and i do -- raw foods, exercise, water, etc... i feel my health is my responsibility and i take the task seriously. :) AND it is FUN and empowering to accept the responsibility. :)
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I am new to this site. I found that your reply was not empathetic or supportive. I'm suprised the Forum editors didn't remove your message as it is very negative. Every thing doesn't work the same for every body and I am glad that she posted her experience. Of course, as an intelligent person, you can understand her position...
I hope that as I explore this site, I will be able to continue to find useful information from all experiences.
I decided to heal myself. I found out all I could and i'm still doing it.
I have done 10 flushes, and they havn't all been easy but I feel fantastic now. I don't think I have IBS at all.
I think I might be coming to the end of the stones soon.
I read that once you start to flush and stop you can have worse symptoms than you had before. If that was me I would of flushed again.
My perents flushed twice, and decided not to do it again. my mum said she has stomach problems now. I think she should flush again, but it's her life. I can't make her do it. Maybe one day.
Anyway if it's not for you, then hope you feel better some other way!
Julie
Hang in there,
betta
- to betta,johng,and hanna-thank you f... #5091
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This is a reply to # 153,641Advertisement
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your responses are the main reason why i came back here to post and update my experiences with the liver flush. not to be basically called a liar and suspicious. i was almost in tears when i read those posts b/c i have never had that kind of unsupportive responses on curezone ever.
to betta: i have tried the castor oil packs ala edgar casey, but found only mild relief, that was not lasting. been thinking about giving them another go lately though as it has been awhile since i last tried them.
to johng: i did have a series of colonics about 2 months after the flush, but by then i guess the damage per say was done. i got the colonics on the advise of andreas after having spoke with him. if i do do another flush, i will follow andreas' method with a colonic b4 and after the flush for best results. i am glad you were able to get the stone unstuck, but i think that if you dont get them out right away, you could be in for some long lasting ill effects like myself. how long did you wait before you got the colonics after the flush? what kind of pain did you have?
to hanna: i told andreas about the other supplements, and the p&b when i spoke to him. i told everything that i mentioned in my initial message.
thank you all- Re: to betta,johng,and hanna-thank y... johng
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This is a reply to # 153,650#5-
We are going back a year, so the memory is a bit blury. seems like, after flush no. 4, with no bowel cleansing, i developed a sharp pain a few weeks after the flush. the pain was just to the inside of where the ascending colon starts to rise on the right side of the abdeomen. stools were very irregular. long, pencil thin... constipated. and I felt more and more toxic. rashes, feverish, dizzy... just plain sick.
I had seen Andreas' advice before, but dismissed it as many do. I was too embarressed to even think about a colonic, and didn't want to spend the money. this even after i knew I had a stone(s) stuck... dumb to say the least, but when you are sick, you are not thinking clearly. I followed some advice in "amazing liver flush" re using castor oil as a Bowel Cleanse (mixed in water) did it every day for a month... it got things going and got the stone out, you might try it, if you have "amazing liver cleanse" the directions are there... (1 to 3 teaspoons castor oil in small glass of water, on empty stomach, morning or evening).
it worked, I passed the stone and it was a monster. In your case the stone(s) sound like it was stuck for awhile, and this might have caused some severe irritation. I trust Andreas, and suggest you ask him how to undo this. My hunch his suggestion will be a special diet (non-irritating) with maybe somehting to sooth and heal your gi track. it will likely take time.
by the way, for those who haven't read it (but should) here is a quote from "amazing liver cleanse"
It is likely that, on their way out, some Gallstones will get caught
in the colon. They can quickly be removed through colonic irrigation.
This should ideally be done on the 2nd or 3rd day after the liver flush.
If Gallstones remain in the colon, they can cause irritation, infection,
headaches and abdominal discomfort, thyroid problems, etc. These
stones can eventually become a source of toxemia in the body. If
colonics are not available where you live, you can take a coffee
enema followed by a water enema. This, however, does not guarantee
that all the remaining stones will be removed. There is no real
substitute for colonic irrigation. Doing a colema-board enema,
though, is the closest you can have to a professional colonic.
Hang in there #5, I wish you the best.
John g
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I did 4 clark flushes last year, then had pain in the lower right of my abdomen... it was getting bad. I never did any colon cleansing after flushing. it turned out I had a stuck stone. I got it unstuck by taking castor oil every day for weeks, but the experience made me sick. If I had not got the stone unstuck, i would have been in horrible shape.
after that I always followed Andreas Moritz 's advice to ALWAYS follow a flush with a colonic or colema for this very reason. stuck stones happen, and they can ruin your health. I don't know if this is what happened to you, but it is a possibility. Enemas don't work well for this purpose, neither do p&b shakes. if you are still having pain, it could be a good idea to get a serious of professional colonics. And, post your story in the "ask andreas" forum if you can find it open.
Since your story sounds similar to what happened to me, I can't help but suspect that you have or had some stones stuck in your colon. the best (and only way i know of) to help this is colonics or colemas.
I hope this helps.
John g
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- Re: EXPERIENCE: stuck stones mpgwas
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This is a reply to # 153,647I have learned the feeling of a stone that's too big and take an acid-a-cal capsule or two (Enzymatic Therapy)to dissolve stones. The stones pass easily within a few hours. To flush stones, I use olive oil in lemon water first thing in the morning and then, with meals, acid-a-cal.
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This is a reply to # 153,656maybe i should have flushed again in 2 weeks, but when that extreme of pain comes about it makes one hesitant to continue. makes you think if this could happen with one flush, what will happen next...hospital, death, etc?
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I just read Andreas Moritz book, and was very excited to start the Liver Flush. I came home and read my email, ran across this message. I may not do it anymore from reading various posts. I have been into alternative medicine for many years, practice and live it but this sounds a bit dangerous not just from your message but others. I have a questions for you did you follow the directions from Moritz book? Did you get colonics after the Liver Flush? If not then perhaps you may consider them. Also, castor oil packs may work, in addition Andreas Moritz writes other means of moving possible blockages from your colon by other methods. Good luck.
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This is a reply to # 153,776I think if you read through all of his posts he says that he got the colonic months after doing the flush. (and in hindsight knows that was too long afterwards). I had a similar experience to the poster and now consider the colonic/colema essential within a few days of doing the flush. this is why Andreas so strongly advises only doing the flushes if you are serious about the post flush colon cleansing. done in this matter i have not had any problem for over 10 flushes and consider it very safe. as long as you follow with good bowel cleansing, i don't think there is anything to fear.
john
Dear #5091,
I don't know how much you have read info on this forum, but you might have read
about other people getting worse after the flush.
We have many of those
stories collected in liver flush FAQ.
http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=73&i=766
http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=73&i=938
In all but one of those people, if they repeated the flush, condition improved
to the point that symptoms disappeared.
Reason?
There are many possible reasons why next flush may help, including:
- stone stuck inside common bile duct might be flushed into intestines with the
next flush
- stone stuck inside cystic bile duct might be flushed into intestines or might
return back into gallbladder, so symptoms might disappear.
- stone stuck inside small intestine, might be flushed further down so symptoms
might disappear.
- stone stuck inside large intestine, might be flushed further down so symptoms
might disappear.
All those are reasons why second and third flush might help to people with
symptoms.
There are also other reasons why you might have your problems, and intestinal
flora might be the reason. I would try fecal flora replacement, if I were you.
Read more
here
Is there any reason when second and third flush might cause more problems?
Yes, for example:
- stone stuck inside common bile duct might move into worse position to cause
more pain, more problems and even pancreatitis.
Over 100,000 people experience this pancreatitis every year, (without flushing),
so it is possible that something like that occurs when doing liver flush.
So far, most of the people who reported possible pancreatitis experience here on
CureZone, next flushes solved the problem of potential pancreatitis, but that is
only people who reported, we don't know if there are people like you, people who
don't like to post often.
Anyway, if I were you, I would have tried the second flush the same day you
experienced symptoms, but I don't know if that will help you today, 1 year
later. Time is always important factor in health.
If I were you, I would have taken the risks and tried one more flush today, but
it is me talking, and I already have experience with over 30 flushes, so it is
quit different when I with my experience make decision, and when you are suppose
to make a decision with your negative experience.
Beware that I have no crystal ball, and I am unable to see future, I am only
able to study past experiences and make conclsionsons based on the past,
consclusions based on poor statistical data collecetd here on curezone.
So, beware that statistics can never tell you
what will happen in the future, statistics can only sy what is likely to happan.
Spirit
Dear #5091,
I don't know how much you have read info on this forum, but you might have read
about other people getting worse after the flush.
We have many of those
stories collected in liver flush FAQ.
http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=73&i=766
http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=73&i=938
In all but one of those people, if they repeated the flush, condition improved
to the point that symptoms disappeared.
Reason?
There are many possible reasons why next flush may help, including:
- stone stuck inside common bile duct might be flushed into intestines with the
next flush
- stone stuck inside cystic bile duct might be flushed into intestines or might
return back into gallbladder, so symptoms might disappear.
- stone stuck inside small intestine, might be flushed further down so symptoms
might disappear.
- stone stuck inside large intestine, might be flushed further down so symptoms
might disappear.
All those are reasons why second and third flush might help to people with
symptoms.
There are also other reasons why you might have your problems, and intestinal
flora might be the reason. I would try fecal flora replacement, if I were you.
Read more
here
Is there any reason when second and third flush might cause more problems?
Yes, for example:
- stone stuck inside common bile duct might move into worse position to cause
more pain, more problems and even pancreatitis.
Over 100,000 people experience this pancreatitis every year, (without flushing),
so it is possible that something like that occurs when doing liver flush.
So far, most of the people who reported possible pancreatitis experience here on
CureZone, next flushes solved the problem of potential pancreatitis, but that is
only people who reported, we don't know if there are people like you, people who
don't like to post often.
Anyway, if I were you, I would have tried the second flush the same day you
experienced symptoms, but I don't know if that will help you today, 1 year
later. Time is always important factor in health.
If I were you, I would have taken the risks and tried one more flush today, but
it is me talking, and I already have experience with over 30 flushes, so it is
quit different when I with my experience make decision, and when you are suppose
to make a decision with your negative experience.
Beware that I have no crystal ball, and I am unable to see future, I am only
able to study past experiences and make conclsionsons based on the past,
consclusions based on poor statistical data collecetd here on curezone.
So, beware that statistics can never tell you
what will happen in the future, statistics can only sy what is likely to happan.
Spirit
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Along with:
120oz purified water mixed with juice of a fresh lemon, 2 Tbsps of Colloidal Minerals, twice daily so 4 tbsps total and 1/8C Liquid Chlorophyll--daily
To not eat any of the Foods on the AVOID list of Eat4URBloodType
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Anyone I've spoken to advises not to jump into any type of cleanse head on without a pre-cleanse first so as to avoid too many toxins being released back into your system at once and avoid illness. Perhaps you were too ill to jump into a flush right away and this is what happened.
I'm curious if you ever contacted any of the staff on this site? They have always been very helpful in outlining a procedure and if you contacted them after you felt very ill and what their advice was? Shelley Cat outlined a great program for me, but I didn't feel like doing it by myself the first time and contacted a local herbalist(who's info is below). But if you kept in contact with the staff on this site I can't imagine you'd still be in pain a year later???? Delania did tell me once we began to do the flushes we would go for colonics as well afterwards.
If you need detailed advice contact Karen Utter or Delania McCarty at 817-545-4372. These are the women I am currently seeing. I would not attempt doing anything of this magnitude on my own, atleast not the first time around. Karen has over 30 years experience and works with the terminally and seriously ill. You'll probably need to make an appt to speak with them. Good Luck and God Bless.
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The herbalist I am seeing to do a colon, liver, gallbladder and parasite cleanse told me that we need to do a 2 month pre-cleanse prior to attempting any type of liver cleanse as it would make us very sick. First she did a live blood Analysis to determine our health condition. She said to take the following for 2 months prior to seeing her for the liver cleanse and we are in the 4th week of doing so,(the herbs she recommended were Natures Sunshine):
Protease 2AM 2PM
Bowel DeTox tabs 4PM
Milk Thistle 4AM, 4Mid-Day and 4PM
Food Enzymes 4AM, 4MD, 4PM
Along with:
120oz purified water mixed with juice of a fresh lemon, 2 Tbsps of Colloidal Minerals and 1/8C Liquid Chlorophyll--daily
To not eat any of the Foods on the AVOID list of Eat4URBloodType
Program.
Anyone I've spoken to advises not to jump into any type of cleanse head on without a pre-cleanse first so as to avoid too many toxins being released back into your system at once and avoid illness. Perhaps you were too ill to jump into a flush right away and this is what happened.
If you need detailed advice contact Karen Utter or Delania McCarty at 817-545-4372. These are the women I am currently seeing. I would not attempt doing anything of this magnitude on my own, atleast not the first time around. Karen has over 30 years experience and works with the terminally and seriously ill. You'll probably need to make an appt to speak with them. Good Luck and God Bless.
I am not MD but an herbalist and think that you might consider taking dandelion root or milk thistle to get your liver back on track. Please do some reading on both herbs.
I'm fairly new to curezone, but am not new to pain....many, many years of it. Punch in ..My last chance ? ....to read my story. I am 32 years old.
I m new to curezone, but I am impressed with this site as they allow everyone to have a voice. The medical world does not.
I think it's good to let everyone know of dangers in drgs or natural health....I have studied (on my own) natural health for a long time and I feel that the answer in not in supplements (although help-full),or meds (drugs) or homeopathy or accupressure or whether your food is even organic or...you name it. The answer is in us....given to us by God so many years ago.
The answer is a diet of 85-90% raw fruits and veggies, raw juices, whole grains and seeds and nuts. Kick out ALL dairy and meat and salt (unless it's the healthy kind of salt) and start juicing carrots....I bet you'd be amazed by how you would feel.
For more on this diet: Go to : www.hacres.com People are being cured of cancer, MS and other diseases by adopting this diet. A great book on this diet is 'Why Christians Get Sick.' by George Malkmus.
I am 32 years old and a victim of stroke and migraines, etc...God led me to this diet to save my life and I truly believe this diet has saved my life.
You did not mention....are you on any prescription drugs ? If so...they can sometimes cause problems when mixed with herbs.
I hope to be posting an update to my story soon.
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This is a reply to # 154,079Hiya Chris! Just wanted to let you know though that a raw food diet is not for everyone. I was doing about 80% raw foods and found myself getting weaker. My naturopathic dr told me that I needed to eat some warm foods cause my stomach has gotten too cold with all the raw foods. I shifted to having some soups and ate fish once a week. I immediately felt better!
I think the most important thing is to observe how one feels in any kind of diet. Our bodies are all different. Sometimes, eating raw is beneficial short term but long term becomes detrimental. It just really depends on the individual.
And I have also found that getting too concerned with our diet also adds stress and thus a negative effect on our health. So nowadays, I take it easy, make sure that I eat healthy (am about 50% raw now), explore other venues to better health ... like yoga or visualization or actually... just being happy about life !!!!
BTW ... I had cancer about 5 yrs. ago. My husband died of cancer about 7 yrs. ago. And we both did alternative medicine.
I praise God for all the challenges He has given me. I do know that it has been a great learning process for me.
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This is a reply to # 154,086food isnt making you weak.In the 1950s the salt cos found out they could make a lot more money by taking all the minerals out of salt bleach it add ground up rice so it would pour easily the women loved it .In the 60s the farmers started to fumigate all their soil to kill all the bad bacteria in the soil the only problem with that was it killed all the good bacteria also it also killed all the earthworms.Now in 1968 the agriculture dept told the farmers they didnt have to put on minerals because there is now nothing in the soil that break down the minerals. Most of our soil in usa now is only a medium to hold up the roots of of plants.YOU can now eat fruits and vegatables by the shovels full and still not get enough nourishment. #28009
- Re: Raw foods flipdiver
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hmmm... yes I agree with you that our soils are very devitalized nowadays. But then again ... if our produce is no longer as vital as it once was, wouldn't that mean the same thing which is our foods are not giving us the nutrition we need?
Also, if there is an imbalance in one's system, we can eat as much nutritious food as we want but if our body is not absorbing it, then the food becomes limited in its capacity to nourish us.
Anyway, food is only part of the health equation. I've seen people who eat JUNK, JUNK, JUNK yet seem to continue to be in good health. It used to boggle my mind. Why? How on earth is that possible? After a while I realized that emotions has a lot to do with maintaining health also. And being happy and at peace goes a long way towards good health.
Though sometimes there are just instances where there is no explanation possible for why things happen the way they do :-) And we just have to accept it as it is and continue on with our lives ;-)
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