P.S Lisa, I only took small amounts of Epsom Salts during one flush. I did notice slight nausea, but am not sure if it was that or not.

Hi Deedee. Thanks for the nausea tips. Are you talking about nausea during the flush, proir to it, or following it. I can't do the apple juice. Tried it once and had the worst blood Sugar drop that I have had in years plus the flush didn't work well. Had to do it twice. Plus a threw up.

Anyway I only have the nausea right about the time the liver is contracting. Lasts for a half hour max. It's not really a problem for me anymore. My first flush I had nausea from the oil on but it wasn't the Dr. Clark method.

I would love to buy the liver herbs but I'm spending a small fortune on Arginine, Ornithine, skullcap and Valerian in an attempt to straighten out my days and nights. Makes me sleep very peacefully once I fall asleep but the key is falling asleep.

Take care,
Lisa

Guys, think of health as a spectrum from dead to diseased to unhealthy to healthier all the way up to immortal. This isn't perfect, but it's a good way to think about it, if a bit simplistic.

Dr. Clark fills a specific niche on that spectrum. She comes in somewhere between diseased and dying and disease-free and somewhat healthy.

If you look at what Dr. Schulze says on his incurables program, you'll kind of get the idea. Dr. Schulze mentions how 90% of the people who came to him for health he threw out of his clinic because they wouldn't do what they needed to do to get well, according to his studies. Dr. Schulze required something very drastic of them -- significant dietary change -- to return them to a state of health.

Dr. Clark, on the other hand, takes her sacrifices a bit differently. Instead of sacrificing all the foods, you simply have to handle them in a specific way. She is less judgmental about your food choices. She's a bit easier for the "dairy sinners" to face.

You also, under all the programs, have to knock out all the poisons and toxins that you're putting on yourself. Both Dr. Clark's The Cure For All Diseases and Dr. Burrough's The Master Cleanser include a list of recipes for common things which we so depend on (like shampoos and cleaners and skin care products and make up) which are much more suitable than the toxic stuff that Big Business gives us.

It isn't just Dr. Clark which demands this -- they all do. Dr. Clark is just filling a specific niche, on that spectrum of health, which bridges the gap between meat-eater and vegan.

So please consider that next time you don't understand why she talks about boiling milk. Some of us just aren't ready to give it up yet, but once we've begun to realize that cleaning up our act healthwise has positive benefits, we're in a safe position to consider giving up the other things for even more positive benefits on the vegan side.

Be patient with your fellow beings. Not everyone figures it out as fast as you do!

=-John-=

Yum Yum! Love almond milk. But I no longer eat cereal so I've not made it in a long time. I really love almondaise too. So much healthier than mayonaise. Bit of a mess to clean out of the blender though.

John I was kind of wondering if she might be recommending it being boiled for that reason. Or if she herself just isn't willing to give it up. Lots of older people won't go without it. And there are some few people who actually can digest the stuff. In any case your phrasing about it being steps is a great way to put it.

I agree all the health experts recommend getting rid of toxins in the environment and food. Or at least all the healthy food plans I ever followed did. Except Dr. Atkins. Guess it's his blind spot. But then again he is focused on healthy eating for people with blood Sugar problems, heart problems, and weight problems not on a healthy lifestyle. I find that each specialist focuses on thier area of expertise in thier books. And this makes sense as all the other trades do the same.

Take care,
Lisa

John, good post.
I have read that to about Dr. Schulze turning away patients for not following his program. He also did not care what disease or complaints they had or what the lab tests showed that his patients brought to him. After the patient did his basic cleanses and changed their diets, most felt better. Good Health seems pretty simple.

Comment on toothpaste:
My wife and I have not used toothpaste for about three years. We have been using a tooth oil called Pristine. It is a blend of almond, spearmint and peppermint oil. You don't spit it out like toothpaste, you swallow it. It leaves the breath fresh and is soothing to the stomach. We have gone to the dentist and the hygienist would do a mouth bacteria test on ours would be almost zero
compared to other patients, plus there was very little plaque build up on the teeth.

I use the borax shampoo. It seems to work well. No dandruff to speak of and my hair feels clean and not oily. One caution on the citric acid rinse if you try it. Don't shave before the shower unless you want your face to burn. OUCH!

As far as the deodorant we use a brand that is made by Alvera. It contains aloe vera gel and other herbal ingredients and no alcohol. But we don't seem to need it as much since we did after doing the Clark kidney cleanse. After three weeks of drinking her tea and then doing the liver cleanse we noticed that Body Odor was not as noticeable.

John how long have you been using the borax as shampoo? I think parasites also play a part in the dandruff problem. I've used the borax as shampoo for about three weeks and I am just now begining to get some scalp relief. I didn't have horrid dandruff (as long as I used either tea tree oil shampoos which are expensive or shampoos that didn't leave residue) but I did itch and have what were some type of break outs when I sweated. The breakouts are lessening finally. I've switched to vodka as deoderant. I'd like to find some way to scent it as I think it stinks. Haven't made my own soap yet but I use borax instead so that isn't an issue. Baking soda as toothpaste. Laundry and dishes washed with borax and vinegar. I have dropped everything from my life that might have wood alchol in it.

These are fairy easy changes for me as I've used borax as a cleaner for years. I used to add washing soda as well if something was really germy or greasy. Used the book 'Recipies for a Green Planet' for the formulas with excellent results. Dr. Clark doesn't list washing soda as safe so I've not been using it. The only problem I've had so far is that borax makes my hair too hard to brush and tangles easily so I need some type of conditioner. Probably because it is long and has been dyed (more toxins ::flail::) a few times. I tried olive oil as a conditioner but it didn't work. Though I was vegetarian for about 10 years I can no longer do that as my blood Sugar problem prevents it. Cheese is still my weakness. I am finding giving it up a real bummer.

I started parasite cleansing the spring before last. I had been on my last parasite cleanse for at least 5 weeks before I started these flushes. Hadn't seen any parasites for over two weeks then I used the zapper and within a week I was passing more parasites. My third flush was done after using the zapper for over 2 weeks. I'm pretty sure I am parasite free now, or at least I should be since I've been using herbals and zapper for over 10 weeks now. Except for candida which is probably the cause of the blood Sugar problems. Apparently that is a little harder to get rid of and can't be completly gotten rid of till the Gallstones are all gone. I am still subject to blood Sugar problems despite all this parasite cleansing. Maybe my pancreas hasn't healed enough yet. But more likely till the Gallstones are also all out and my liver has healed I'll still have blood sugar problems since the liver is also a factor in blood sugar levels. BTW there is one vague sentence in her first book that says that it might take up to 4 months to completly clear up a parasite problem that has led to cancer symptoms. In that reference she says that the paths between the cancerous area and the bowel have to heal up or the parasites can reinfect which leads me to think that it might take up to 4 months to completly clean parasites out of our lives and be ready for a flush if we use your theories of when it is safe to flush.

As to the colon cleansing that might be a factor for other people but trust me I'm clean. My brother in law almost died when his colon burst last year so that was in incentive to keep myself cleaned out. But toxins may be key. I am an artist by trade. Can you imagine all the chemicals I have been exposed to over the years? Not too many now but there was a time when I thought I was immune to the dangers they represented. And that would have been a daily exposure during parts of my life. Plus I got very unhealthy 5 years ago when I had a lot of dental work done. I have a feeling when I can afford to get all the metal out of my teeth I'll be fine.

Yet, despite still having metal in my mouth and other toxins in my body, I am less ill with each cleanse. Especially now that I figured out how to keep my sugar up after taking the oil and juice. And I want to emphasize that I am only sick during the time the liver is actually about to contract. The sickness I feel is consistent with how I feel when my blood sugar levels are crashing. I sometimes throw up while not on the flush when my blood sugar crashes. I have had no nausea from taking the oil except for when I did the oil and lemon juice seperate method (very nauseous) and when I forgot and had a food with fat (slightly nauseous) in it early in the day.


Here we have the crux of the matter. How can someone be free of toxins if one of the main toxin removing organs of the body is congested with stones? I don't think it's possible. How can the colon be healthy if the liver isn't producing bile like it should? I personally think all of it is linked together. Yet toxin cleaning is second on her list of things to do. Are you saying that someone shouldn't do the flushes till the parasite symptoms are gone, hence possibly months?

And despite all these healthing changes I am curious to know how many people have done more of the toxic house clean up than what we have already talked about. How long did it take them? I suspect that unless they are single or without kids or cats, and working in a field that is toxin free that not many are able to do this in any type of expedient manner.

I myself still have paints in my house. Thousands and thousands of dollars worth of them and they aren't going to the garage because it's not heated. The cold would ruin them. In fact my studio is in my house. I haven't figured out yet how I am going to keep them out of the house because this is where I paint. I was planning on adding an addition to the house for a new studio and now I am rethinking how to add it so as to keep the toxin odors out. I haven't painted this whole month anyway because these cleanses have taken priority.

And despite everything I may say that agrees or disagrees with what you all are saying there are still people who have followed these cleanses totally out of order and produced good results without getting sick. There are people who eat during the cleanse and don't get sick. I am simply amazed that they can do that but they do it. While I choose to use Dr. Hulda's method as closely as possible I don't think it's the only way. Surely you all have read the other posts from people who don't follow the Dr. Clark method.

As an afterthought, I sure hope you don't think I can't handle a liver flush..... I was just saying that the reason I had blood sugar problems and hence a blood sugar drop during the flushes was because of toxic buildup in the liver and other organs. I am handleing them fine, with excellent health benefits and lots of stones. In fact the flush that produced the most stones happens to be the one that I felt sick throughout it all and wasn't the Dr. Hulda method at all. Produced about a cup and a half of stones of all sizes. It also happened to be the one that started healing my sinuses. And I have had no shoulder pain since my first flush.

The main reason I posted to begin with is I have a hard time when people present one road to health or anything as being the only way. I also have a hard time when artists tell me there is only one way to paint. I feel there is a tendency to jump to conclusions based on your own experiences rather than look at what everyone is experiencing.

Take care,
Lisa

Hermit,
I did not anything was wrong until I had to go to the ER with lower abdominal pain about a year ago. It was then that they found gall stones, while looking at an ultrasound for another problem. I am surprised that they even told me about the gall stones. I had no symptoms so I thought no more about the gall stones. Then, in September I had a gall bladder attack. I was pretty sure what it was, because as soon as the pain started, I got on the computer and read. I did end up going to the ER, the pain was more than I could deal with. Of course they wanted to admit me and do immediate surgery. I declined, came home and did the flush that night with great results. I did the slow one....taking one hour to drink a cup and a half of olive oil and sipping the juice of two lemons. It was the best flush. I think one of the reasons that it worked so good is because I had not eaten at all, I was scared to eat and bring on another gall bladder attack. Thanks

Thanks so much for your encouragement. I am about to give up all diet coke. I read in Clark's book that it contains wood alcohol. I do not know what that is, but I plan to look for information about it on the internet. I am sorry that you had to give up your ice cream. Is there a substitute that you can do, like make your own? Home made ice cream is delicious. How long have you been on your new way of eating ?
Thanks so much!
Blueduck