Re: Best Scam ever...

Rainy: She's not deceiving people. That idea is from your imagination. Some are, but she's not one of them. How do you think she is deceiving people? She leads them to the real Jesus. She does not preach prosperity and tithing to get people's money. I don't get it. She does not control people. Do you think she deceives people because she believes the gifts of the Spirit are for today? Why and how is she deceiving people?

Vektek, a little off topic, but I have been wondering when and how you got saved? Would you mind sharing your salvation testimony? Do you believe you were saved while you were still in the cult, or did that come later? Did that cult believe in the deity of Christ?


Me: Rainy, it will do no good to go into why I believe Heidi baker is deceiving people. I've spent years trying to show how people like her, and even her, are deceiving people and it's certainly not changed your mind any. You can't understand what I've been saying all this time. You think everything I've said about all this over the years is from my imagination. So why go on any further about it? I'll give you one simple little answer, even though I could waste my time with a whole lot more, but Heidi is a huge leader in the NAR! You know I believe that whole movement is about deception! I know too much about it, have seen too much, to conclude it's anything but a huge deception! The NAR is not leading people to the real Jesus, but to a false Jesus where everyone unifies with no regard for the truth!

The cult I was in taught a false gospel of works. They believed Jesus was God but that there was not one God, but two. They also taught that we were going to be little gods. I didn't even know who Jesus was while I was in that cult because they rarely talked about him. But several years after leaving there, God began to work in my heart, showing me the true gospel, that salvation was by grace alone, through faith in Christ alone, who had lived the perfect life in my place and died in my place to atone for my sins and that even my faith was a gift. It was a glorious day when that truth finally pierced my heart, and I understood it. I felt a gigantic burden lifted from me. I remember going to work that day just feeling so ecstatic, and later that night, I was out sweeping the parking lot, and I looked up at the sky and thought "I am God's child forever!!! No matter what my life is to bring from here on out, I have no idea what is to come, but I know that I am secured eternally in His arms, and nothing can separate me from Him because he has secured my salvation, Christ has done it all!" For me to know that truth was beyond amazing because I had come from so much legalism where I never felt like I could be good enough to be saved, where I lived in so much fear, where I never felt close to God, where I never felt secure about my future, where I always felt like I was messing up my whole life and things would never be right. But that day, all that was lifted. I knew God loved me, not because I was righteous but because Jesus was righteous and his righteousness was mine, imputed to me, by grace alone. And I also knew God was in control of my life, my life was His, so I knew I could stop worrying about messing it all up. Now here I am seventeen or so years later, and I still believe what I believed that day. Salvation is of the Lord and it is awesome! And it didn't take any signs or wonders for me to know that. God changed my heart, revealed the truth of the gospel to me, and I believed and have ever since, and it was all God, even my coming to believe in Him. I have nothing to boast of but what He has done!


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