Re: Chris needs Some Meat for health. But you haven't tried raw meat as part of your diet yet. Sashimi is a good start. Even Don Quixote eats raw sashimi.

Grz,
whatever may be the ideal diet for man is and always has been open to discussion/debate but I am of the opinion that raw meat is unpalatable.
There are also the questions of any ethical/economic grounds for the consumption of meat as well.

By choice, as long as we are not the person who has to kill the animal personally before eating it, then that is acceptable then?
In the wild it is of course easier to pluck a fruit from a tree than to sneak up behind an unsuspecting animal that has its own self-preservation at heart.

In my book, anyone that eats meat is of a carnivorous disposition, and the points I made from 1 to 9 are indeed valid points in making any comparison in physiology.


Alzheimers.
With reference to the B12 issue there is no such thing as a B12 deficiency.......
"The most common basic cause of a natural cobalamin deficiency is a failure to digest, absorb and utilize the various cobalamins (B12) from food and from the intestinal tract as in the case of gastritis or gastroenteritis. The cause of malabsorption is commonly a gastrointestinal disorder and this was known by pathologists way back in the l800s. In this case, one's lifestyle must be assessed and brought into unison with the needs of the living organism.
Furthermore, absorption of the natural B12 coenzymes can take place in the mouth, throat, esophagus, bronchial tubes and even in the upper small intestines, as well as all along the intestinal tract. THIS DOES NOT INVOLVE THE COMPLEX ENZYME MECHANISM FOR ABSORPTION (INTRINSIC FACTOR) IN THE SMALL INTESTINE AS REQUIRED BY CYANOCOBALAMIN. THE COENZYMES ARE ABSORBED BY DIFFUSION FROM MUCOUS MEMBRANES.
...........Dr Virginia Vetrano.
http://www.roylretreat.com/articles/b12.html


For 30 years this was not an issue for me on a vegan diet.

Protein deficiencies?

Do you know of anyone with a protein deficiency?
Where then pray do cattle/horses/ and so on, get their protein...........if they do not eat meat?
May be they are just secret meat-eaters.!!

My own view (that works in practice) is that Human protein is made from amino acids and not meat protein.
For meat to become human protein, the body has to break down the meat into its constituent amino acids before they become assimilable to the body. This demands huge amounts of digestive energy that could be better spent elsewhere in the body for other purposes of nutrition and drainage.
Many plants (easily digestible) contain the eight essentials, and where the remaining aminos are manufactured from the rest of the diet in the absence of meat.

I didn't actually mention evolution. Primates are primates, and where their/our diets have been predominantly vegetarian.

There is no simple cure for Alzheimer's, and if it was a simple matter of adding more protein, animal fats, and B12, then the disease would not exist but be eradicated forthwith.

I would also say that whatever we believe is the correct and healthiest diet for man is a matter of personal choice, but this discussion/debate was instigated by the member who stated that I needed meat!!
Clearly I am not one to be coerced or patronized into doing anything against my own judgment and freewill.

Chrisb1.

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