My point exactly ,I myself have experience stones within minutes of consuming the Epsom Salts without consuming any fats or oils and Hv has been confronted with this before and just ignores it then continues on later with his saponification double speak. Why he persist in this pursuit is is beyond reason, these flushes saved me my gallbladder and a $14,000.00 medical bill for a recommended removal of my gallbladder. Follow the bucks as the old saying goes.