Re: Love is the only uncertainty...

InnerCalm wrote: No thought is impossible if you are of this realm

turiya wrote: it is obvious then, that you have not yet experienced the higher states of love. Without that experience your so-called "infinite potential" remains quite limited.

Spudlydoo says: More assumptions.

Now this statement is an assumption of yours. With this statement, it shows that you also have, as of yet, not experienced any higher states of love either.

Now I am beginning to understand your appeal and attraction to IC's intellectual persona. Its because you are of the same caliber of person who has the 'belief' that the intellect is the center of the universe. For IC, you and others that are jumping up and down about this so-called "Infinite Potential", as a concept that contains all other concepts and beliefs (which is really - just another belief), have never risen above sex as being the definition for the word 'love'.

Don't misunderstand me. There is nothing wrong with sex. It is the basic form of life energy. And one has to begin from somewhere... it can be very useful for moving deeper into this existence. Through sexual orgasm one can also achieve a 'no thought' experience, the love experience. Which lies above the basic desire for sex driven by the hormones . But of course one must be capable of having an orgasm. If there is too much a fear of death or too much wanting to maintain control of the situation, then this may be the reason(s) why you have not experienced this state for yourself. Don't take my word for it, go in and have a look at this for yourself.

For me, experiencing higher states of love (state of 'no thought') is a realized experience.

First it was experienced through sexual orgasm with a partner. In sexual orgasm, it is possible to be aware that the mind stops functioning momentarily. (Try to see this for yourself instead of immediately reaching for a cigarette or engaging in conversation.) Rising higher, it was then experienced by just being with another - just sitting next to the individual would be enough for the thing to occur. Rising still higher, the experience happens when being completely alone, without anyone else being there to be the so-called 'cause' of it. It is as though it is being in love with existence itself. These days it can happen at various moments when I least expect it. Somtimes when I am driving my car, other times when I am sitting in front of the fireplace, or simply outside in nature. Each time it occurs, a deep gratitude is felt for being allowed to have the fortunate experience. A non-expecting mind plays a significance.

One thing I know for certain when it will not happen is when the intellect is engaged in intense or serious thought.

Again, don't misunderstand me. You can also experience this for yourself. And you don't have to join a religious cult organization as a prerequisite. All it takes is to be aware of the gaps that are found between two thoughts, between two words, that pass through your head. Sex with your partner is one of the best available moments for this to be an opportunity for this to be experienced - And again, there is no need to have a belief, just have a look at it for yourself.   

Cheers -*- turiya