Question: Half Way Meal? 
samaral
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Hi Guys!
I read on a couple posts that some people had a meal half way through their fast then continued the fast the next day. I'm just wondering how you felt after eating? And mor importantly WHAT did you eat? Just curious. Also, did it help or make you feel like you were starting from the beginning again?
Thanks for your replies
Sarah- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? sandyy
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This is a reply to # 682,553Hi Sara, I had a meal on day 13 of my fast which was 5 days ago and I felt great, but I got a liitle rumbly in the tummy about an hour and a half after I ate and a a bit of diareaha. All in all, I was fine. A few hours after that I had 2 beer, I figured what would the harm be. By that time I think I had digested all of the food and drinking on an empty stomach is never a good idea. I got drunk extremely fast, it went straight to my head and I wound up throwing up, just the beer and the bile, the dinner stayed down. I had chicken breast and salad which I had prepared for my family. I see a lot of posts that say you have to come off a fast with juice etc. and that may be the best course. But food didn't seem to give me too much of a problem. I plan on having another meal this sunday. Sunday dinner with my family. I call it the "six days thou shalt rip and tear, the seventh day thou shalt repair plan." That will actally make it 10 days between meals for me since my last meal was on a friday and my next meal will be on a sunday, but I want to be able to have a nice sit down meal with the whole family and that seems to work out the best on Sundays. I take what I need and leave the rest when it comes to advice. What works for one person will not neccesarily work for everyone. The most important thing is figuring out what works for you, I make my own rules and I feel everyone else should do the same. As far as feeling like I'm starting over again. No I don't feel like I'm starting over again, mentaly or physically. I consider this Water Fasting experience to be a journey that began on Jan. 18th that will not end untill I reach my target weight. I refer to today as day 18 of my journey,5 days since my last meal. I have had one meal so far on this journey and even though I plan to have another one on Sunday, if I don't feel like it I won't. If I do, I will. Even people starving in Africa find something to eat once in a while. As far as losing your state of ketosis goes, some how after an extended period of fasting, I think it would take a lot more that 1 meal to convince the body it's time to start burning muscle and even if it did for a day, would that be irreperable harm? Would that be so bad? To me, it's not. That's what I mean about rules and advice. Take what you need and leave the rest. Sandy.
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- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? sandyy
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- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? mikeritr
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This is a reply to # 682,554It takes far less than a meal to move you out of ketosis. Please read Fuhrman. This is not what you feel, it's Science that is easily tested at home. You can even use the strips that Atkins recommends (although I don't support that diet). It takes only a few calories to end ketosis.
What you are doing is not a water fast. You're doing a modified diet to lose weight, which is okay, but that is not the primary reason for water fasting. You are really putting your body through some physiological gymnastics that I've found no Water Fasting to authority to recommend. What will you eat after you come off the fast? The same kinds of food you eat on Sunday dinner. You will probably gain back the weight.
Reading my past posts, you'll see I try to be tolerant, but it's not a what I like deal on this board. It's really a adhering to the Science of water fasting. You'd find much more in the way of affirmation on the fruit juice or Master-Cleanse boards. And the way you are breaking your fast is not an optional "I feel okay" issue. The method you are using is sabotaging your efforts and not healthy. And by the way, there is no corrolary between voluntary Water Fasting and starvation (in any country).
Mike
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- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? sandyy
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Mike, thanks for the info, you are entitled to your opinions, as I am to mine. If I was doing this to cleanse I may follow more of your advice. I find most of it very interesting actually, but to be honest with you, I prefer to follow my own path. I think we have a difference of opinion as to what the definition of Water Fasting is. My personal definition may not be what your definition is, but that is what I choose and what works for me. I hope you are ok with that, after all, the last time I checked it was still a free country. As far as reading Furman goes, I'm sure it is an incredible book, and I may actually read it some time,just not this time. About ketosis, like I have said in previous posts, it's not that big a deal to me. Aparently it is to you. I'm ok with that. Each to his own. This may have slipped your attention, but I'm not here for affirmation, I'm here for weight loss. You may not agree with me and I'm ok with that, more importantly, I hope you are ok with that. Sincerely, Sandy.- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? mikeritr
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This is a reply to # 682,569Actually I'm not okay with your opinions and definitions regarding water fasting. Water Fasting well defined and what you define is NOT water fasting. Sorry, but it's that simple. It is apparent you have not read the material or that you know the purpose of this board. There are plenty of weight loss boards and both the fruit juice and master cleanse boards adopt your "I'll do it my way" approach. We do not over here.
Have you read back to my early posts where we defined this board and have you read the posts on the Master-Cleanse board that led to the creation of this board?
I would think you would at least read the defining book, as you would be advised to read Burrough's book on the MC, before making authoritative statements and recommending to others to just do their own thing.
Read below what others have said when they finally read Fuhrman. Again, this is not a weight loss forum. If you want to lose weight by Water Fasting and share here, you should understand Water Fasting first. The very definition is nothing by mouth other than water. Period. That is what this board is about. Breaking a fast with chicken and beer is not alright, no matter how you felt about it. It violates the very principles for which we stand and support one another.- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? sandyy
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This is a reply to # 682,572I find it incredible that you would find little old me so threatening as to basically try to kick me off of this forum. I'm sorry that you have such a problem with people who don't agree with you. Life must be very difficult for you. I have a feeling you think that just because you possibly created this board that you own it. Isn't it realy owned by the people who use it? and contribute to it? After all, it wouldn't even exist if no one used it. Don't get me wrong Mike. I'm not trying to hijack this forum. I just feel that people need to be able to feel free to express their own opinions. Aparently that may be too much to ask of you. I have never claimed to be an authority on any subject,never mind waterfasting,as is clearly mentioned in my previous posts.Concerning advice, I always tell people to take what they need and leave the rest. There is more than one way to achieve a goal. I wish you the best Mike, I realy do. And I hope you come to grips with this soon. Cause I am not leaving. Thanks anyway, Sandy.Advertisement
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- for Sandy... lynne0619
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This is a reply to # 682,577Im just curious...if you have not read Fuhrman, what source or sources are you using as your background/ support/ knowledge about water fasting?
I ask this because Water Fasting is not something (or any kind of modified fasting for that matter) to be entered with a cavalier attitude. If you are not careful you could seriously endanger your health. I went on a 35 day master cleanse in November. Foolishly, I attempted a long Water Fast earlier in January. It was too soon for my body to handle that and it was entirely not necessary because my reasons were purely for weight loss. If I had just begun the ETL plan by Fuhrman (which I am doing now), a short Water Fast could have followed closer to the end of my weight loss goals or not at all.
The Water Fast was an incredible experience and I really enjoyed it once I made it past day 4. I cut it short after nine days when I realized the constant thirst in throat and mouth (24/7) could be evidence of 'true hunger' which could be a dangerous condition. The fact that I had been on an extended Master-Cleanse could have led to this 'true hunger' appearing so soon into the fast. I don't know for sure, but since I had no medical supervision, I decided to break the fast and begin the ETL eating plan. I have not regretted that decision but I look forward to perhaps another water fast someday in the future.
My point is that I hope you are not just gleaning information from the boards and not studying authoritative sources such as Bragg (I have not read yet) and Fuhrman. These, and some others, are tops in this field and have done massive amounts of clinical research. If i hadn't read Fuhrman, I would still be on the Master-Cleanse board and Lord only knows what else I would be involved with now.
If that's a bit too strong for you, I can only say that I am no expert either and just voicing my opinion from what I experienced on the Master-Cleanse and the water fast and I can only say I treasure more than those experiences what I learned by reading Fuhrman's books 'Eat to Live' and 'Fasting and Eating for Health'. At the minimum, I have learned that fasting and nutrition are very involved, complex health issues and great care should be considered before giving out advice.
To advice someone to just do what is best for them without any solid background and not even a minimum of research on one's part is irresponsible in my opinion. Maybe you have done some research, and that is why I asked that first question.
Just wanted to share that with you. I kinda know where you are coming from...it has a 'nice ring to it' to be able to say 'do what is best for you' or 'take what you need and leave the rest', but hopefully that is only after very studious, serious, involved research which should depend on the experts in the field...the cutting edge folks, not the folks who are just yakkin it up on the boards. Not that there is anything wrong with that, by all means, I have learned some very valuable info that way also. But behind that, in our own selves, should be a growing body of solid research from the experts. Fuhrman is just an excellent beginning point. Much can be learned on his website also.
http://www.drfuhrman.com/
Enjoy and good hope to you in your journey to health!
Lynne
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- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? sandyy
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- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? mikeritr
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- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? sandyy
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This is a reply to # 682,553Hi Sarah, I hope my last posts helped you, I forgot to ask how your headache is. How are you doing? Sandy.
- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? mujper
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This is a reply to # 682,553I had to go to a conference half way through my fast where i would hve no control over the food. So the day before I broke the fast with fresh fruit and some soup at lunch time and then a small piece of white fish and salad at the night time. For breakfast I stuick to fruit but the other meals went ok (tho i did throw up a rich mushroom rissoto ) but think that was due to stress rather than stomach rebellion.
I gradually tapered off rich/solid things over the w/end and started again on water the monday (now day 4 of renewed fast).
I think it depends on why you are fasting as to whether its ok for you to have the odd meal. I'm planning to only break it if I have to between now and 40 days. Althoughmay go back to Juice fasting if work suffers too much. What about you?
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- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? sandyy
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Hi Mujper, I am fasting for weight loss. If you look at my previous postings you will see how my fast has evolved between day one and today. I too intended to have absolutely nothing but water for my entire fast. I kept waiting to feel better, like I had been told I would. It never happened. Finally, I said this is not working for me and decided to take supplements. Now its working for me. After all, I'm here to lose weigtht. I don't feel I have to live up to anyones expectations but my own. And I am certainly not going to feel guilty about anything. Only I know what is best for me. That may not be what is best for someone else. Today is day 19 of my journey, 6 days since my last meal, and I have lost 14 lbs. My face is looking much thinner, my husband commented on it yesterday. I have lots of energy and feel great. I feel like I could do this indefinately now. I don't know what I would have done without the vitamin and the molasses, but I'll tell you its sure nice not feeling ill all of the time. So go easy on yourself, if you have to take a vitamin or some supplements to feel better, do it. It's better than quitting the fast. You only fail if you quit, and even then you will still be lighter than you were when you started the fast, so realy, there are no failures, only varying degrees of success. Keep up the good work,and best of luck. Hang in there and don't quit, but don't feel bad if you have to change your rules a little as you go along either. Only you know what works for you. Trust yourself. Sandy.- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? mikeritr
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This is a reply to # 682,561This again is not water fasting. You would do much better to feed your body wholesome nutritious food while losing weight as Fuhrman points out in "Eat to Live". There you can eat all you want and lose 20+ pounds every 6 weeks. No one needs to lose any faster than that, and at the same time you are rebuilding your body. Syrup is sugar. Supplements and vitamins are synthetic portions of food isolated to be used as medicines.
The reason this board was created was because of the kind of advice and practices many of you are now giving. This is a Water Fast board. Taking anything other than water during a fast is addressed on the juice and Master-Cleanse boards. It was because of this very debate that this board was created for those who want to adhere to the pure water fast, based on Science and not what I think, or what works for me. I have tried to be gracious and perhaps have given the impression that anything goes. No, it doesnt. Contact the board moderator of the Juice and Master-Cleanse boards for the history. I was run off the Master-Cleanse board for advocating water and that's why the juice and water boards were created.
The Science is out there and you can do whatever you please, but you won't find the support you're seeking here. Water Fasting is not about losing weight, it's about people with severe and chronic diseases getting well. Weight loss is a by product, and is usually recommended only after a nearly ideal weight has been reached via proper diet.
C'mon some of you out there who know. Let's hear from you.- lsoign too mcuh wt too soon is life ... Wrenn
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This is a reply to # 682,567you r baody has all old toxin s stored in fat/
i fyou realsed them allin oen lumpo sum rapidly i woudl thingk you woudl b elucky inded tf yousurvived. the over laod of rapid dumpign of toxic waste itnto your body.
you coudl do permanent damge to pretty much alll your organs.. - serious health risk Wrenn
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rapid wt loss/
toxins are store din fat in your body.
to se tin motion a rapid means to lose fat means tha tyou are overloadign yoru body with allthat sotered fat
ie: the toxins that are store din them.
i think a eprson woudl be vyer lucky inddedd ot they survive that at all..
jstu becuse yousurvive it/ does not mean you hav enot doen harm to you liver /kidneys and othe rorgans..
the risks are veyr real and poten tailly fatal.
a goo ddoes e of srsenic mgith b ethe lesser of the two evils (soem what sarcastic jokingly said)
this is all veyr misleadign .. who will responsible i fothe rs follwo this advice for a person who fasts itn hiamnner and gives it out as recommenatiosn?
this is a healign forum not a a do this and this an dthis an d die oops gee i didn't know after alli ahv eonlyfasted once before 18 eyrears ago 8(
pelas elooka tthis hinestly !!
you are repsonsiblie..
peopel are lsitiengitn and followign this incredible bad advice *(
i fidn it sad when i rea dyour firs tpost it was ayign wwow how nice it was to read form mike and kwnothat with his eperience he coudl ehlp you ... to now bascailly
blowig him off.. an dsayign you knwobetter... 8(
i do nto know him/ and he can veryify we hav eahd our tiffs
but i can;t be sieltn when i see that he is beging disregardsded ona forum he aske do for and by soem oen tha tis givign out ioncredbly helth risky advice.. *(
tehn when they get ill form your advice .. they wills ay .. buttha ti swha tthey told me on teh Water Fast forum *(
this is all pretty distressign to me in geeeral to read.
- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? FarrHC
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This is a reply to # 682,567oh, come on! Be forgiving, please. You sound very dogmatic. Open your mind - no one is perfect. If someone takes herbal zero-calorie teas and feels much better, it's okay.
- lsoign too mcuh wt too soon is life ... Wrenn
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- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? mikeritr
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- never break a fas t with a meal ! es... Wrenn
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This is a reply to # 682,560this is a risky thign to do / youcan get soem serious stoamch and intestial cramps o f extrmem natures..
even hospital s don't lt etyou eat after surgeries they wean you back onto food..
an don't allow youto evne have solid still afte htey hear gas grumlbes again to kwnothe intestiens are functioning agin.. then it is jellatin thy p estuff and only jstuice liquids for a day see how you do/ then it is brothes etc
it is a waaaaaengin back onto food..
it is a fool hardy thing...
i fyouthinkat any poin t in tiem you might fall off the wagon/ hav eyour sle falready set aside soem fresh fruis t to jstuice ahdn sqeeze/ et .. i don't care i fyouar egoign tto timbuktu
NEVER break a fas t with a meal spluge *(
if other s look atyou weir di fyou feel youahve to ea tat a function fine.. let theim looka tyou weird..
i woudl rather be looked at weird /thatn looked at dead.- to break a fast noramlly takes abou... Wrenn
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This is a reply to # 682,700the only reason teh mc fast is broekn faster is becuse they ahve also had other thigns beign given ..
a pure Water Fast diet i think woudl be utraimprotant to pay close sttent iont o ahow you breka it..
it is oen of hte hardest fast ehre is/
in term s of the result stha tmight ahppen i f break it incorrectly..
i hav elived 45 almos t46 year si ahv ea great deal of fastign experience in my life prior to eeprsoanl life exp 1 2years ago..
i was taught sicen a child the right an d wrogn waays to break fasts s icen it was a very real par t of both my parents lives.. for spiritual reasons and fo rmeditativ eaids.. or for restign the body.
mike i snto tryign to be a dictator to you . he is very coorect in wha the is sayign...
youdo nto break fast with meal ds rightout of the box...
the longer the fas t teh mor importan tthis becoems..
i fyou wan tto lose wt it is amo re health ful approach to lseo it graduallyin a reasonable period of time...
he is not sayign dont' fast to losse weith... he is sayign consider if wt lossis yoru goal do it by eatign ggo d thigns i na reasoanlb e way and then do a Water Fast when syetme has less toxins to deal with.
considerint theis is a Water Fast forum/ and yet he has given you this answer shows tha the is conceredn about you and the manner and risk s you under staek to rapidly drop so much so fast..
you are lucky he is tryign to warn you of the health risks.Advertisement
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- Re: never break a fas t with a meal ... samaral
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This is a reply to # 682,700Hi Wrenn
I understand your concern. But to speak from my own experiences, the last time I did a Water Fast I consulted a doctor, and she assured me it was OK to break my fast with a light meal. I did that and I felt wonderful. I think each person needs to listen to his/her own body only then can you decide what is right for you.
Sarah- Re: never break a fas t with a meal ... Wrenn
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This is a reply to # 682,712i fyou ahv efaith in your doctor i commen dyour doctor for attaining your ttrust..
an diam nto sayign taht sarcasticaly. i think it is great that youhavea wrokign relsationship and feel youcan truest her.
i have a completely differn t opion which ihav estated.
and i am glad tha tyou ahve sought out difern t avenue so f advice then amde yoru own decision fo ryour slef.
that is wha tlif eis about makign our own choices... bu tonly after gettign several opions to have the fullest potentail rage to decide form//
aft er that youaccept your own helath casr with yourown responsiblitity.
youcan nneve rog abak and say no oen ever tosl me this..
because you your sle far ethe oen tat mand ethe decison..
qusessstion? wha ti f sooem thign ahppene dot you after getign tah tinfo? woudl youhvae sued yoru docoter?
or would yousay in kenw the poten tials an dit is my respionsiblity .. i amde the call?
- Re: never break a fas t with a meal ... Wrenn
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- Re: never break a fas t with a meal ... Sandyy
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This is a reply to # 682,700Hi Wrenn, I just broke a fast that I have been on for 21 days, with the exception of one meal 9 days ago and I feel great. I had home made beef stew. Most people on this board never make it past a few days, I realy do apreciate that, as someone mentioned earlier, that people in "death camp" state might not want to do that. The reason people in hospital for surgery are not allowed to eat is that they are usually on massive amounts of drugs, and they don't want any lawsuits if you "throe" throw up and aspirate your own vomit. Please excuse my "spelling" but I know you will understand. ONLY MY OPINIONS.} Sandy.Advertisement
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- Re: never break a fas t with a meal ... nothingbetter
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This is a reply to # 682,741I agree with Mike's logic (if not with all of his tone) but its right - ending ketosis is not only unhealthy (its muscle wasting) but its also more difficult to maintain the fast afterwards.
However there is a much more serious reason you shouldn't do it which is that if you eat carbohydrates while depleted of phosphorus, magnisum, and potassium (which are contained in fruit juice, fruit and vegetables - which is how most fasters who know how to end their fast avoid it) you risk potentially fatal complications called 'refeeding syndrome.'
- Re: never break a fas t with a meal ... nothingbetter
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- Re: Question: Half Way Meal? FarrHC
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This is a reply to # 682,560It's okay. What else can you do? You get out of your fast and then start another one, a few days later.
One of my first fasts (25 years ago, actually, it was my second, the first was 3 days, about 30 years ago) lasted 7 days on water. I was fasting for my skin problems - severe eczema and dermatitis. All the problems disappeared on the third day. But I continued to 7 days to stabilize the result. I was getting out of my fast on juices. First, it was freshly-squeezed carrot juice, highly diluted, then up to 50:50 solution. Then I added beet juice, and that suc*** created a very strong dermatitis reaction on my skin, almost instantaneously. I ate a few liquid meals and raw fruit, but it didn't help. I had to return back to Water Fasting and continued for another week. That dermatitis was gone after that forever. I didn't really try beet juice anymore.
It's fine to stop your Water Fast and return back to another in a few days. I did it, and I am still alive and healthy, still fasting periodically. Right now, on my 4th day.
Happy fasting to you too!
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