I know what you are saying. I have the worst diet with not much fibre in it so I don't know anything about a fibre overload or anything. I was referring more towards the herbivore comment. Are you a meat eater? I hope my message didn't come across as rude before!

xanderfrancish,
thank you for your contribution.

As an addition to it I think the well known phrase "all diets work and all diets fail" apply here. Reducing diets do indeed work in losing weight, but then the majority of people will return to eating "normally" again post-diet, and all the pounds go back on again: a vicious circle for many people.

I think the discomfort you are referring to after the transition to a raw-food diet comes from the switch to a high-alkaline diet (which raw food is) from a basically westernized acid-forming one, plus what I referred to in my previous post with regard to eating too many concentrated foods, instead of high-water-content foods, which our bodies were designed to deal with.
Shelton once wrote of a case he attended where a man broke an extended fast on beefsteak (very concentrated) and mashed potatoes..........he died !!!

I'm not sure how anyone could overload on fiber just so long as the raw food is of a high-water-content with not too many concentrated foods.

The very best diet available doesn't necessarily mean that the body will digest it, as the power of digestion can be severely diminished, and/or even suspended altogether in illness and disease: the bodys way of telling you that food cannot be processed and assimilated by the digestive organs.

Post-fast-feeding will depend on its length; the longer the fast, the more care is needed in breaking it, especially after the return of hunger where feeding will need to be controlled for a certain period of time thereafter.

Whether someone chooses to eat meat or not is a matter of preference and personal choice, in fact I do eat some white organic meat and oily fish myself; even some Natural Hygienists advocate the eating of some meat, but whether someone is a frugivore or omnivore or herbivore it is not for me or anyone else to dictate which type of diet is best, only what we have experienced ourselves and what agrees with our system: although I can think of many reasons why not to eat red-meat, especially processed meats of all kinds.

Regards

chrisb1.

thanks andrew!

sometimes i just can't help gettin' all fired up about certain things, and bad-mouthing my friend fibre is one of them :)

i'm super happy that you're back!

your friend,

bella lucia

xanderfrancish,

i'm sorry if you feel harsh vibes from me, but i feel confrontational vibes from you. it started when you mortally offended me on the subject of me raising my daughter vegan. i had not asked for your advice on the subject, but you basically assumed that i'd done no research whatsoever, and furthermore stated that i may actually be harming my daughter by depriving her of meat.

i appreciate that you have basically decided not to talk about the meat thing anymore, and that you admit it was wrong, but in terms of your advice about fibre, that doesn't fall under the category of "stuff you said a really long time ago that you shouldn't have posted" because you were basically saying the exact same thing to Sky today!

juice fasting is good for many different reasons, but NOT because the fibre has been removed. if fibre was intrinsically bad for us, then God, or whoever created the world would have made fruit and vegetables fibre-free!

the times when fibre is "wrong" is if you improperly combine foods. then of course you are going to get those very uncomfortable symptoms of heaviness, gas, bloating, etc.

i see no problem with remaining quiet when I see that someone has a different view point. (CASE IN POINT: you might have noticed that i did not comment on your post to me about how your eczema just cleared up on its own one day, and that maybe my problem has something to do with negative thinking, or the fact that maybe i'm concentrating on illness instead of health... i didn't agree with you, but i didn't want to make a big deal since it was just between you and me). BUT i just cannot sit idly by when you give advice that is just plain wrong! i mean, i didn't want anybody to get scared away from eating fibre.

i agree with you that this is a place for people to come together and share info and support each other, and maybe you have really helped a lot of other people, and if so, that is terrific and i congratulate you. but in my experience with your "advice" and "support" to me, i don't particularly find you "coming across as nicely as possible"... you tend to play devil's advocate with me, and you make assumptions that i haven't done much research about my own situation.

anyway, i hope we can get along better in the future.

bella lucia

xanderfrancish and everyone in this thread,

I am trying to play catch-up with the posts here, but this post did seem like worthy of a more immediate response.

Fibre is essential to intestinal health, otherwise peristalsis and the motions of our food throughout the intestinal tract would cause constipation, and the diseases associated with it, including cancer of the colon !!

The recommended diet for man, from the experience of hundreds of professional Hygienists (both past & present) is a mainly raw plant-based diet: in fact 80% raw and 20% cooked.

Raw food contains fiber, but it is mostly of a high-water-content and NOT a high fiber content: this is in balance with the food provided by Nature in the exact proportions needed for human health.

The reason juice-feasting is so beneficial to health, is that there is very little if any fiber, which then allows the digestive apparatus to rest, (whilst providing nutrition) and therefore divert these digestive energies to other more healthful purposes of the body. This cannot be a long-term proposition, but only a relatively short-term plan, as the body would not survive indefinitely with this way of feeding.
The body ultimately needs "solid" food for the normal digestion of foodstuffs. There is no such thing as "overdosing" on fiber-rich foods as provided by Nature as long as the diet is based on this premise.

Gerson thought (quite rightly in my opinion) that Cancer and other degenerative diseases were caused by three things..........
#1. Stress.
#2. Deficiency.
#3. Toxicity.
He believed in saturation-nutrition achieved only thru juicing, detoxing, and freedom from stress. He was very successful with this approach to healing, but knew ultimately that juicing was only a short-term measure.


Raw-Foods that are concentrated (such as nuts & avocados) should only constitute a small part of the diet, and in proportion to the needs of the bodily requirement for proteins and fats. The body should need mostly high-water content food, as we ourselves constitute a high water composition.

In addition, Shelton was only human..................so he made mistakes like the rest of us, and especially so in the care of the sick; but by discovering his mistakes thru trial and error, his advice was extremely reliable & accurate, as HIS was the most experienced advice in the history of Natural Hygiene & Fasting.


A restricted diet can be a very difficult proposition, where the loss of weight is achieved by consuming less calories than normally being expended by the body on a daily basis. This creates a constant state of hunger, which is very difficult to endure and is seen by many as a deprivation; on the other hand fasting is zero calories from external sources, resulting in the body feeding on its own food reserves exclusively, and then forcing the body into full ketosis, which suppresses appetite/hunger.
The return of hunger at the end of a "finish-fast" to completion, does require an individual to exercise a great deal of restraint in controlling overeating, but this only lasts about one week to ten days. Also, if a fast is broken prematurely and before the return of hunger, then appetite has to be re-nurtured and stimulated back into activity, so there is very little danger in doing so.

Hope this clarifies some of the points being made.

Chrisb1.