Hey Paulette, Apologies for the (ahem) slight delay in responding to your earnest enquiry regarding the reason for your country’s warmongering and regime-changing escapades around the world. With respect to Iraq specifically, maybe this will help, and simultaneously entertain you to boot. So go make yourself a nice cup of your favourite brew, put your feet up, relax, and enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DCwafIntj0   I should add, in the interests of fairness and balance, that my own country (the UK) is not entirely blameless in such matters either, though I’m ...
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are you rip van winkle! lol! I can,t believe any one at this point doesnt realize that 911 was allowed to accur under the auspices of bush/cheney and their close ties to osmama and saudi arabia ! And if you think the bombing of bahgdad and the maiming and murder of innocent women and children is not terrorism and is a just war then you are the most pathetic american yet! uhg! ©†ƒ……•™¼‡_Original_Message_¾€š½ž¢«»¬ï°© are you rip van winkle! lol! I can,t believe any one at this point doesnt realize that 911 was allowed to accur under the auspices of bush/cheney and there close ties to osm ...
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Hurrah for you PR Sam! Very well said. You americans are under attack and I can’t understand this %¤#&!§-attitude about oil. America is the most powerful nation on earth and yes they like the prosperity that goes with oil but they are also the only nation in the world that is always ready and willing to step in when another country is in need of help! The American president has decided to fight the war on islamic soil rather than American soil. A lot of lives are being lost because of this but how many would die if these fanatical terrorists were given the opportunity to continue poundin ...
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”Damn Them Democrates” Does any one know the truth about lieing Jim carry ?? He voted down every major wepon we have to now defend us. He is wishy washy. Black one day white the next. Stands on no issues at all. Worse tha Slick Willy ever was if that is possable.   [End]
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What you say is true and its sick. Our world was doing just fine a few years ago and now we have this battle of good and bad forces, just like Lord of the Rings. I hope the nay sayers wake up too before it is too late. Our freedoms are being eroded as we speak, our health freedoms, it is coming from every angle. We must inform ourselves, we cannot sit on the couch anymore, the time has come. Get rid of Bush in the next election, vote for Ronald McDonald if you must Americans, but for god sake, make an informed decision, one that we can all live happily with. Elizabeth   [End]
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I would point out though that before the US bombed Iraq, former president Jimmy Carter wrote an editorial in the New York Times saying it would be wrong to invade Iraq. That is very unusual - for a former US president to oppose the sitting president. Now both Carter and Clinton oppose Bush. Bush is crazy - blame him, not the American people.   [End]
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Hello Simple answer is that obviously Jesus does not bomb anybody. God is love and Jesus is God’s son. He came to SAVE is. He came to help us change our wicked ways. Sin was born in the garden of eden. MAN’S inhumanity to MAN. Man is not following God’s rules properly. It is as simple as that.   [End]
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I disagree with several of the statements: 1. ”To curry favor with the new Nazi government, Reza in 1935, without warning or explanation, decreed that Persia would henceforth be named ”Iran,” or Land of the Aryans.” First of all, Iran has always been the land of the Aryans. Ask any respected historian and they will tell you that the Aryan race is not the so-called ”Master Race” that Hitler made it. The Aryans were the ancient Medes, ancestors of the Persians. Hitler had no idea what he was talking about. Reza Shah did not change the name to please Hitler. He changed the name to bring ...
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Im a college student in California (born and raised, so yes, that makes me a hippie liberal) and am appalled by everything that comes out of Bush’s mouth. As for Iraq... I read all of the above posts and understand the Iraqui man’s point, that this is their chance to be free of a dictator, but at what cost? What sort of freedom is having your country bombed on a daily basis, left in rubble and ruin with the masses of dead and injured? I agree that Saddamm is an evil bastard, but the solution is assasination, not annaihalation of the whole country. On those occassional ”America rules! ...
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i am one of those you speak of... my iq is 148 and hence i know how to play this game with hate and anger... i will bide my time till it is right the when the walls are weakest and america is not watching you will see how one man can bring about the end of a country and all inside.... yes i will wait... i read this post the other day at another forum.. scared the shit outa me...   [End]
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making statements and observations like that and then saying ” Isn’t that strange?” after everyone one of them, does’nt really drive your point home at all. Ok..so there is a lot of oil over there worth a lot of money. That does’nt prove that Bush or anyone else is in it for that money. Your way of argueing is typical of the far left   [End]
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Actually... yes. He’s MORE evil than Saddam. He’s the bigger threat to world peace. This is the result of a poll all over Europe. Saddam did not do anything to me (or to us, for that matter) while right now my tax payer money are spent to kill a bunch of innocent people in Iraq. I am not comfortable with that. Michael Moore nails it down in a funny/sad way in his letter to the Prez... ”Dear Governor Bush, So today is what you call ”the moment of truth”. I’m glad to hear it has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 443 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn’ ...
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There were not 3000 fellow american killed in 9/11 I believe it was several hundred. The nation that suffered the most nationals killed in 9/11 I believe is Australia. I believe it is for oil. US used Iraq to fight Iran, when Iraq decided not to dance to US tune anymore then the games started. US does nothing about North Korea, those poor people are living through hell, in darkness and isolation. US went into Iraq illegally, kills its citizens illegally, plans to steal its oil and cover up the real picture in warped media coverage. Its all about oil.   [End]
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Amen brother! Does Liberia have oil? If there was no oil in Iraq would we be there? Anyone with intelligence would say no.   [End]
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I am for peace and truth. Jet fuel will not burn at a temperature that will melt steel under normal conditions. However if there is a forced draught of air, the temperature of burning increases. I dont know what would happen in a collapsing building.   [End]
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I want to believe you and I researched the theory that you imply. However I find that steel melts at 1,600 degrees and airplane fuel burns much hotter than that from several websites. http://www.sandia.gov/media/firetest.htm http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/134340502_enginee... Then I find this article disputing the statements on the other two links. http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn1.htm What do you have to support your statements? What credible websites can I find the truth? I really want to know. I am a dedicated peace activist.   [End]
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I thought Bush and co were rather clever in fooling so many people. But their lack of ability to govern their new territory suggests otherwise.   [End]
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I thought Bush and co were rather clever in fooling so many people. But their lack of ability to govern their new territory suggests otherwise.   [End]
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I’ll bet you can tell me the plot to all your favorite television shows, right? Question...who allowed all those Americans to be killed in the first place? Another question...does jet fuel burn at over 2000 degrees? Question...why were firefighters silenced with a gag order for national security when they were trying to tell various media that they were convinced that what they saw was that a demolition occured and even they noticed plastic explosive residue. The list of questions goes on and on. Enjoy Bay Watch.   [End]
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”Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it.” - Mark Twain   [End]
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You shouldn’t be so confused ! Here is another very good reason for USA to invade Irak : http://www.pressurepoint.org/pp_iraq_dollar_vs_euro_hegemoney.html FYI, UK is not part of the euro zone, neither the eastern countries like Poland (yet !).   [End]
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I just want to advise you to represent facts in a historically acurate manner. I am referring to your argument that Iran should be changed back to Persia because it was changed in order for Iran to allign with the Nazi’s. While the timing of the name change might have been motivated by political reasons, you failed to mention that Iran, not Persia has always been the most common indigenous name for the whole area since pre-Islamic times. Persia on the other hand was what the Greeks called the area which was then adopted by the West. Part of the reason for changing the name was invariably ...
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I just want to advise you to represent facts in a historically acurate manner. I am referring to your argument that Iran should be changed back to Persia because it was changed in order for Iran to allign with the Nazi’s. While the timing of the name change might have been motivated by political reasons, you failed to mention that Iran, not Persia has always been the most common indigenous name for the whole area since pre-Islamic times. Persia on the other hand was what the Greeks called the area which was then adopted by the West. Part of the reason for changing the name was invariably ...
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Still confused? If your looking for black and white answers you will be. After reading all of the messages so far, your are probably still confused. Who’s telling the truth and what is the truth. I don’t know the ”truth”, but my opinion is that we are getting rid of Saddam for all of the reasons stated and the answer is not black and white, but rather gray. There’s the economic incentive of the interest in oil and military economic angle and there’s the moral issue. Saddam is truely a tryant and a murderous dictator and he deserves to be removed from power and I suppect that we will ...
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Still confused? If your looking for black and white answers you will be. After reading all of the messages so far, your are probably still confused. Who’s telling the truth and what is the truth. I don’t know the ”truth”, but my opinion is that we are getting rid of Saddam for all of the reasons stated and the answer is not black and white, but rather gray. There’s the economic incentive of the interest in oil and military economic angle and there’s the moral issue. Saddam is truely a tryant and a murderous dictator and he deserves to be removed from power and I suppect that we will ...
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this is supposed to be uplifting? innocent people are dying in the streets, our own soldiers are being killed and tortured serving their country in a way the president will never fully comprehend because he got off scott free when it came to drafting. of course this man is happy. he’s never had to work an honest day in his life, yet nothing has gone wrong for this man - he abused drugs and alcohol, he’s lied and schemed and GOD only knows what other crimes he’s committed, and now he’s in the white house, asking the american people to pray for what? not the poor soldiers or the poor people ...
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i agree. and please remember, bush’s legitimacy as president of the united states is dubious to say the least. he did NOT win the popular vote, but was placed in office on a technicality with the help of the supreme court (and his brother who is governor of the state where the ”confusion” occurred...). i’ve wondered since, why should i bother becoming a citizen (which i am not even after 15 years in the usa) and bother voting, when the supreme court chooses FOR me? it’s very discouraging...   [End]
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you got it, sister! although i had a little trouble understanding at first, your message is loud and clear - bush has no legitimate business in iraq. how can guns and bombs bring about peace and freedom? it just makes no sense.   [End]
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niklas, play nice. there are many, MANY americans who oppose this war, including my husband (i’m not american). keep in mind that lumping all americans into the same category as ”pro-war” is no better than some americans assuming that being muslim or iraqi equals being a terrorist. play nice...   [End]
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hey, i’m all for the freedom, but i want to get one thing straight - remember Osama Bin Laden? He’s not the leader of Iraq. Saddam Hussein is, and Saddam & Bin Laden are about as chummy as Hitler and Mussolini were. So tell me again, why are we in Iraq? Quit referring back to an event caused by one person as the justification to invade the country of another. Just be honest - it’s about the oil!   [End]
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I was very disturbed, albeit not surprised, to hear about your experience in Baghdad. I am not an American, but have lived in the US for 15 years. I am married to an American, and both my husband and I have been following the assault on Iraq with an overwhelming sense of disillusion. Be assured that many Americans oppose what Bush is doing. There is a very fine line between oppression and salvation in this case. I honestly believe that if it were not for Iraq’s oil, Bush wouldn’t give a damn about Iraq. And as far as the ”we have to protect ourselves by destroying Iraq’s weapons of mass de ...
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I am sure glad as a Norwegian American that we entered WW2 and helped the Norwegians....How soon these good people forget.....ae   [End]
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I am sure glad as a Norwegian American that we entered WW2 and helped the Norwegians....How soon these good people forget.....ae   [End]
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Keep in mind he hasn’t won an election yet. Georgia officials appointed him president.   [End]
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no way...if the american public are as dumb as his administration..then he will   [End]
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Do you really think this war aggainst Iraq is going to the number of terrorist acts in the world? If you do you are either or extremly arrogant and since your an american it’s proberbly the last. Look at the news in the countries bordering Iraq, the people there do not see the American forces as liberators, they are invaders. Right now there is thousends of children in Baghdad being bombed and killed. Is this gonna make them hate you any less? How came up whit the name smart bomb and precision warfare? You have sent missels into Iran for god sake, you cant even ...
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well, i dont think yoour President is making a mistake but i think he is creating a TIME-BOMB that will someday Explode in our face. There is nothing anyone can do to stop his decisions cos they are well made.And as i remember the older ones say;’the whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going’.i.e without concern of the out come of such a journey. Hes done it hes done it.... Any way thats about all i can write for now mama calls. Bash of Africa.   [End]
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one thing I don’t understand, if Iraq is so peaceful country why did sadam send missles against Israel which wasn’t involved in the gulf war?   [End]
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Do you really beleave what you’ve said? I am tired of listening that because I am a pacifist I support dictators or that I am antiamerican, or that I am stalinist. I grow up listening rock and watching your movies (I’m from spain). But, ofcourse, one has to be always with you and give you inconditional support. For your information, the answer or France has very much to do with the reasons of USA to attack Irak: Oil and inversions. But there is one diference: this time they are not going to send their soldiers to die under the flag of the country. I suppose you are aware of our stupid spa ...
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Do you really beleave what you’ve said? I am tired of listening that because I am a pacifist I support dictators or that I am antiamerican, or that I am stalinist. I grow up listening rock and watching your movies (I’m from spain). But, ofcourse, one has to be always with you and give you inconditional support. For your information, the answer or France has very much to do with the reasons of USA to attack Irak: Oil and inversions. But there is one diference: this time they are not going to send their soldiers to die under the flag of the country. I suppose you are aware of our stupid spa ...
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Hello to all, The above must be bogus. Who could take seriously the ramblings of this (person?). The world has made the mistake of thinking America’s patience was unending. We have defeated tyrants and dictators, freed peoples of nearly every ethnicity and creed and we have been treated like dirt. We saved Europe from Fascism, rebuild western europe, have not seen a penny in repayment; and for gratitude Germany and France threaten vetoes. If not for America and NATO, Turkey would be Kurdistan, but they risk Americaqn lives by refusing us passage across their land. I wonder. Whe ...
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Hello to all, I have impeckable liberal credentials. I protested in the 60’s (both civil rights and the war) and have stood to most of ”the causes” (except for the ”blue darter” in some mountain stream somewhere). For the life of me, I don’t get the confusion. We are under attack. After 9/11, I’m not sure what to make of peace protesting New Yorkers. It’s is one thing to take a philosophical position, behind safe borders but it’s quite another to see 3000 of your fellow Americans get killed. We are not fighting for oil, or trying to snuff out Islam or engaging in international a ...
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Boy, you sure are confused. Did you ever stop to think of how you got the freedom to do and say the things you do? It is called America, you should be proud to be an american and be happy to live here. It is the sacrafices made by the soldiers in wars before that gave you this freedom. If you have an opinion on Bush and the war express it but, don’t try to force it on anyone else.   [End]
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Geirges BUSH he is a couard, WhY US soldiers are going to iraq? For oil ONLY! For money ONLY ! US people wake up ! Your president is a lier! HIS father have too many money (action) in factory gun, Georges W BUSH work for family busisness. I’M very dissapointed for the dead and injuried US soldiers and i pry for us and family. I love USA, But this time your president is crazy... My god save the world and protect it from barbare bush   [End]
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Would you consider reposting it in the war forum # 3 (the latest).   [End]
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When our troops are across the sea, facing down those who would kill them, I want them to know that their lives are important to me, and every American. If you ask an American what they think of the war, they will say ’It’s good that we’re going after the terrorists.’ Just today, I spoke with people that believe that the government that rules our nation believes Saddam Hussein and his regime have legitimate ties to Al Qaeda. The fact is when confronted with the facts, Bush had to admit that he could not provide any evidence to prove it. When faced with a similar situation in Afghanistan, B ...
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It’s called blind faith and it’s very dangerous. we are so busy in our lives, that we no longer pay attention to what our politicians are doing. We either take the kids to soccer practice, or pay attention to world events. Unfortunately, our politicians know this and put their havac on the world. The average American needs to wake up and pay attention, we are quickly losing our greatness and freedoms.   [End]
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With GWB continuing to lead the country and if he does win a second term, he will lead the US of A to the beginning of the end of its prosperity!! This nut case will eventually bankrupt the nation with his bigotry!!   [End]
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I cannot believe that people still exist in this world who support war. When one country thinks that she has the authority to go against the UN & declare war, the world has ceased to b the right place to live. It’s like history when hitler thought the same way. For all the greatness US had, its downfall has just begun. ” In god we trust, but like devils we act” seems to be the appropriate thing .   [End]
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Sorry about that. My screen was showing the length of time as a much time-shorter post than what it does now.   [End]
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You are starting to sound like a broken record. See http://www.curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=177&i=256   [End]
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I think there may be war inside the United States. Claudio Acuña claudioacuna@yahoo.com   [End]
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I take exception to the statement ”Americans will believe anything.” You can’t paint everyone with the same brush... There are at least a dozen other people here in the US besides me that don’t... ;-) Wizard   [End]
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The situation is a complete circus and an amusement. They invented this Fight Club. Claudio Acuña claudioacuna@yahoo.com   [End]
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Very true, and it is the same on both sides.   [End]
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with great power comes great responsibility.... not something greedy, ego driven humans can handle... what a mess!!! no matter how one looks at it.   [End]
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I thought it was highly funny! If only it were true. El Al (Israeli Airline) does not have hijackings, but they do have armed pilots, flight attendants, and secured cockpit doors. Sometimes we can learn lessons from what has been working for another country for many years...   [End]
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Thank You for the link! What a fantastic read! I am so glad that there are people out there who are thinking like I do. Before I found this website and the one you have recommended, I was feeling very lonely and a little paranoid in my beliefs that the ”Powers that Be” were shafting us all! Let’s Hope More People are Waking Up and Thinking for Themselves! JoAnn   [End]
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Thank You for the link! What a fantastic read! I am so glad that there are people out there who are thinking like I do. Before I found this website and the one you have recommended, I was feeling very lonely and a little paranoid in my beliefs that the ”Powers that Be” were shafting us all! Let’s Hope More People are Waking Up and Thinking for Themselves! JoAnn   [End]
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May God bless you and watch over you, your family and country during this time.   [End]
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May God bless you and watch over you, your family and country during this time.   [End]
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Well if I was a USA resident I would be protesting these mindless tests as much as the war. Inform more people. The government are probably, hoping no one will pay attention to what they are doing, just like so many other un-noticed ’procedures’.   [End]
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Now your getting to the truth. Example of site to follow. Pay close attention to the points with an asterix. Thanks again Stofurz. I have bookmarked it. In America, conventional wisdom that has mass acceptance is usually contrived: somebody paid for it. Examples: Pharmaceuticals restore health Vaccination brings immunity The cure for cancer is just around the corner Menopause is a disease condition When a child is sick, he needs immediate antibiotics When a child has a fever he needs Tylenol Hospitals are safe and clean. America has the best health care in the w ...
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YUP! Like in an area where there are no civilians. Kinda makes you wonder why, huh. They are also scheduling more of the same.   [End]
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DARK OF THE MOON - DAVID DOLAN - Jerusalem This is an update on continuing preparations for an imminent American-led war against Iraq. Israeli security sources say they are certain that an attack will be launched in the coming weeks, despite the fact that only three countries are currently backing the US position in the UN Security Council, and in the face of worldwide anti-war protests not seen since the 1960s. They say President Bush has reaffirmed his determination to destroy Saddam’s dictatorial regime, and realizes he is better off authorizing an attack fairly soon before his poli ...
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I don’t agree with that. I’m sure there is a better way to test weather radar.   [End]
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I don’t know if anyone has seen this article on ”The Doctor Within” website, but I thought I would post it because it is very revealing. http://www.thedoctorwithin.com/index_fr.html?content=/articles/inde...   [End]
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Mock attacks meant to test weather radar network System could detect chemical, biological agents 02/15/03 Aaron Cooper Military and federal environmental officials are holding an information session today at Max Westheimer Airport to discuss upcoming tests in which mock chemical and biological agents will be dropped over Goldsby. The Army will test Oklahoma’s advanced network of weather radar from Feb. 24 to March 7 and again April 21 to May 7. Officials hope to learn whether the network can detect materials released from an airplane. A plane will fly over Goldsby an ...
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I’m sure the enemy was comforted by your support. There were many more who didn’t march, in support of this action on Iraq.   [End]
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This short clip is funny! At least I think so, but I’m sure that our Insecure HomeLand Security sensationalists might have a cow. http://64.224.14.56/EUNI/july_02/pilots_01.html   [End]
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I have skimmed Patriot acts 1 & 2, it takes time, I don’t have a lot so I have to do it all in stages. I’m still looking for document WI??? (the one where USA government protect Osama Bin Laden and AlQueda) Can you help? I don’t agree with any forced vaccination, and I believe all 97% of pharmecueticals are evil and poison. So that is not the issue here. Besides the pharmecuetical compinies will always successfully brainwash whoever is in government. It’s a big business, and they are not going away. HA! You and I agree on one issue! Imagine that!   [End]
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In Argentina, lefty Journalist Roman Lejman asked argentine goverment to invade Santiago del Estero Province because the governor of this one is a dictator. Claudio Acuña   [End]
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Letter to a War Protester Dear Kathie, Last week you sent me an email asking me to join you in marching for peace on the 15th in Center City Philadelphia. I explained to you about the leadership of these protests. I explained that these people were communists and anti-Americans who have an axe to grind. I explained that my research about them leads me to believe that their cause has more to do with discrediting and destroying capitalism, democracy, and the United States than peace. I told you I would be more than happy to express my desire for peace. However, peace is not wh ...
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Such a big and powerfull country is all the time afraid of the take over by poor small countries? how funny ... last weekend, berlin, demonstration against war - american people where there. and they said: ”people in america are NOT for the war, you should kno that.” I am sure, they are not anti america. but may be, they got down from their horse and switched on their brain?   [End]
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above all other nations? sorry, but nazis did say the same bullshit!   [End]
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Your comment: ”If it were to convince anyone it would be someone who is blind to media tactics.” I worked in the media in a high end position for many years. I know the tactics and this video was the icing on the cake for me. I did check as many sources though because that’s what you do when you want to verify something. Other intelligent people can see it too based on the facts that Alex and many others not associated with Alex document and contioue to document daily. I have talked to all kinds of people. Many are able to see it, others seem to refuse the undeniable informat ...
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Yes, I want real evidence. Documented evidence. Real evidence based on fact not theory. Not hyped up sensationalistic journalism, with quick video clips really not proving much of any of the theory. I just can’t understand how that video could convince anyone who is seriously seeking out the truth. You would already have to have preconceived beliefs/ideas coinciding with the video. If you were going to agree with Alex Jones. If it were to convince anyone it would be someone who is blind to media tactics. People that do not realize that facts can get manipulated and twisted out of ...
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You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure out the WACO fiasco. I mean, just from watching mainstream media you could tell it was all wrong...nothing justifies burning men, women and children. Whether it was all an accident or purposely done we can still safely blame Janet Reno and the ATF. Whether the people at the ’Branch Davidian’ compound, were right or wrong in their beliefs, their actions by no means warrented such an attack or invasion. Especially when ATF and Janet Reno knew there were innocent women and children inside. These people were not insane, or threatening lik ...
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What is your conclusion, why and is it based on ”concrete evidence” or/and by connecting dots, filling in gaps, spending some time with the issues. How were you able to see through it? The lies I mean.   [End]
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You can read government documents..that would be a start. You need to take responsibility for yourself..you just suggested that. That is what I’ve been saying all along when you have put your faith in George. So go exploring like I and others have. Spend some time time with it, then get back to me. What’s your definition of ”concrete evidence”?   [End]
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Lay american people have to learn living as we already learnt Claudio Acuña   [End]
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All I want is concrete evidence, not based on someone’s theory.   [End]
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From watching news, reading articles, I felt the whole thing ended very badly, and did so because of bad government decisions...what else is there to say?   [End]
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Reprint (What other christians can easily see) IS GEORGE W. BUSH GENUINELY BORN AGAIN? Resources to aid your Understanding Subtitle: Since George W. Bush has made a concentrated effort to convince Christians he is truly born again, we have to examine all the facts. We have severe doubts, plus we have been warned by Jesus Christ that THE Hallmark Characteristic sign of the End of the Age is unparalleled deception. The New World Order is coming! Are you ready? Once you understand what this New World Order really is, and how it is being gradually implemented, you will be able t ...
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Reprint (What other christians can easily see) IS GEORGE W. BUSH GENUINELY BORN AGAIN? Resources to aid your Understanding Subtitle: Since George W. Bush has made a concentrated effort to convince Christians he is truly born again, we have to examine all the facts. We have severe doubts, plus we have been warned by Jesus Christ that THE Hallmark Characteristic sign of the End of the Age is unparalleled deception. The New World Order is coming! Are you ready? Once you understand what this New World Order really is, and how it is being gradually implemented, you will be able t ...
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Explain how you came to the knowledge about WACO?   [End]
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If you think those are theories...there’s no hope! End of discussion I guess.   [End]
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So I watched Alex Jones, 2 1/2 hour movie. I didn’t get too much from it except some conspiracy theories. I didn’t hear any hard facts, just speculation. I couldn’t even find a copy anywhere of this so called public document proving that USA government was protecting AlQueda. When he was talking about the Oklahoma city bombing, I couldn’t help but start wondering, that if indeed the American Government was behind it, why on earth would they not shut off the video cameras and carry it out a little cleaner??? Why would the Government carry out all these heinous crimes, and do it in ...
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So this is how most Iraqi’s are thinking? Thank you for sharing a view that is directly involved..... What do the rest of you think?   [End]
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I visited the site again. I already know that most big media corporations do not deliver unbiased truth. I also know they can’t be trusted. Who can you trust?   [End]
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Lying Us Into War: Exposing Bush and His ”Techniques of Deceit” February 12, 2003 By Dennis Hans President George W. Bush and his foreign-policy team have systematically and knowingly deceived the American people in order to gain support for an unprovoked attack on Iraq. Before I catalog the Bush administration’s ”Techniques of Deceit,” let me acknowledge that no U.N. resolution requires the president to be honest with the American people. The fine print of Resolution 1441 imposes no obligation to treat Americans as citizens to be informed rather than suckers to be conned. He may ...
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,895397,00.html ... And why I will not Dr. B. Khalaf Friday February 14, 2003 The Guardian I write this to protest against all those people who oppose the war against Saddam Hussein, or as they call it, the ”war against Iraq”. I am an Iraqi doctor, I worked in the Iraqi army for six years during Iraq-Iran war and four months during Gulf war. All my family still live in Iraq. I am an Arab Sunni, not Kurdish or Shia. I am an ordinary Iraqi not involved with the Iraqi opposition outside Iraq. I am so frustrated by the appalling ...
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... And why I will not Dr. B. Khalaf Friday February 14, 2003 The Guardian I write this to protest against all those people who oppose the war against Saddam Hussein, or as they call it, the ”war against Iraq”. I am an Iraqi doctor, I worked in the Iraqi army for six years during Iraq-Iran war and four months during Gulf war. All my family still live in Iraq. I am an Arab Sunni, not Kurdish or Shia. I am an ordinary Iraqi not involved with the Iraqi opposition outside Iraq. I am so frustrated by the appalling views of most of the British people, media and politicians. I wa ...
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If you visit the site again...click on ’who owns the media?’ and ’the issue’ at the top of the page...very enlightening.   [End]
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SW - A while back I posted a link to a site...takebackthemedia.com...and prefaced by saying that if anyone found the flashfilm offensive, make sure to at least check out what the site has to say about the popular media and its corporate, government and military ties. You replied that the site was ’SICK’...which gave me a pretty good idea that you didn’t look beyond the film. There’s a lot of valuable information on that site that specifically addresses the questions you are raising about the credibility of resources and why the popluar media presents a distorted view of the ’truth’. ...
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I did with all my family and about 70 000 Norwegians! I think the number of people who joined this world wide protest is very explanatory, if you are still searching for the truth. All the people went there in their free will to tell Mr. Bush that he is wrong. Weren’t you impressed by the number of British people protesting? And that is statistics from the country who is #1 partner of the USA in this agression against Iraq...   [End]
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Thoughts on War and Peace Nothing could be worse than the fear that one had given up too soon, and left one unexpended effort that might have saved the world. Jane Addams It is easier to fight for one’s principles than to live up to them. Alfred Adler When you’re finally up on the moon, looking back at the earth, all these differences and nationalistic traits are pretty well going to blend and you’re going to get a concept that maybe this is really one world and why the hell can’t we learn to live together like decent people? Frank Borman, astronaut We do not inherit the ea ...
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I know that the New World Order is real. Only from what I have read and understood I thought the UN Is the start of it and will likely head it. Not the USA.......(I’m not saying that is right though) I’ve surfed Alex Jones website, and looked and some of his articles, I also started to watch the 911 documentary, but got interupted. I will finish it though. I already know the controversy that surrounds WACO and that whole situation is repulsive. These theories can be convincing but so can the other side. There are people that think the USA Government is doing the right things and t ...
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”I want to know what makes some articles and resources more credible then others.” When they’re backed by government documentation. Also when many sources (unconnected) are saying the same thing. There’s many dots to see, one just needs to connect them. When you have read the patriot act(parts one and two) for starters we can talk more. Have you heard of the Northwood document? What do you know of FEMA? Have you watched the documentary 911, Road to Tyranny? How about the Waco documentary that I recommended? Is there anything in the way of evidence for your case that you’d like ...
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So, meet me in the Chat Room, I have questions regarding : ’Many people are actually researching the facts that are out there in plain view and comming up with the same conclusion as you have.’ I want to know what makes some articles and resources more credible then others. Just seeking the truth   [End]
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Many people are actually researching the facts that are out there in plain view and comming up with the same conclusion as you have. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see what is happening but it does take an open mind and a willingness to look. Some come to the knowledge due to a paradigm shift of one type or another. The good news is people are waking up, I just hope that we all unite in time to stop the tyranny before it is locked solidly in place. Check out Alex Jones weekdays here http://www.gcnlive.com/ on stream 2 between 10 am and 1 pm MST. He has a refeed on the same ...
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To the residents of the world minus the United States: Please don’t hate ALL of us. There are a majority of us out here with our heads on the right way. We don’t believe in what our dictator/president is doing, nor do we believe his justifications for war. War is not the answer, it never was. To the residents of the United States (and other parts of the world) who avidly believe in dictator/president Bush Jr: How can you believe in this maniacal leader who plans to rule under the iron fist? In just a few short years this man has undone everything this country was built on, and s ...
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What would happen if he didn’t read it? Then slowly but surely there would be consiracy to oust him. It’s all politics, seems to be part of the job. I don’t think that Bush is corrupt. But there are people that are within the Government that are. They will soon be gone though. I would like to think. So Lapis, Why, are you so interested in USA politics, being a Canadian and all (I’ve heard, correct me if I’m wrong) What do you think of Canada?   [End]
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So sorry. Not looking for anything. Are you confusing me with someone else?   [End]
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Why does he choose to read it though? What are your thoughts?   [End]
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”Are you being defensive? ” These were your words right? Riddle solved.   [End]
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I would read it. I don’t agree though, that his speeches are full of garbage. I think some people interpret his speeches in light of their negative attitudes to the US government. Did you know most times the presidents’ speech is written for him? Maybe he was relaying someone elses’ garbage.   [End]
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’you looking for things that aren’t there?’ Are you speaking in riddles? Cause I don’t have a clue what you meant.   [End]
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That’s why I included a link to the important one from CNN( a rag)with a transcript. If you’d like I’ll track down some of his speaches to that are full of his usual garbage. Would you actually read it?   [End]
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I’m not being defensive at all. I’m just stating on how I am ”marching.” But now I will say...are you looking for things that aren’t there?   [End]
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Are you being defensive? I was just curious as to how many people were serious enough to go marching today.   [End]
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Misquoting and taking people’s words out of context is way of making anyone say anything you want. It would be interesting to know what the text was saying that surrounded these ’quotes’. I could easily take you out of context if I quoted you.... People are always using quotes like that, whether about people in politics, celebrities, preachers, you name it. Their quotes have been taken out of context. The ’National Inquirer’ and the ’Star’ are famous for using these same tactics. Do you believe those rag mags ?   [End]
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You know, we are against war too. When it is for the wrong reasons. I’m not convinced this war would be for the wrong reasons though.   [End]
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I’m marching right here and right now in this forum, as your well aware of.   [End]
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Please, if you vitnesed demonstrations in your country, report it here. Today, February 15th, Norway witnesed the largest demonstartion ever in the history of norway. In Oslo, 60,000 people came to Youngstorget to say NO to War. These are some of the messages from Norway: - Iraq Today, Who Is Next? (Just in case you don’t know, Norway is the third largest exporter of crude oil in the world (2.9 million barrels/day in 2000), after Saudi Arabia (6.5 million barrels/day) and Russia (4.3 million barrels/day). Of course, Norwegians have nothing to fear, because Texaco, Shell & Esso ar ... [Image Embedded Here]
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Please, if you vitnesed demonstrations in your country, report it here. Today, February 15th, Norway witnesed the largest demonstartion ever in the history of norway. In Oslo, 60,000 people came to Youngstorget to say NO to War. These are some of the messages from Norway: - Iraq Today, Who Is Next? (Just in case you don’t know, Norway is the third largest exporter of crude oil in the world (2.9 million barrels/day in 2000), after Saudi Arabia (6.5 million barrels/day) and Russia (4.3 million barrels/day). Of course, Norwegians have nothing to fear, because Texaco, Shell & Esso ar ... [Image Embedded Here]
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The point is, that God condones killing when it is an act of self defence or prevention of someone else (Mad man) doing much more harm. Any sane person can make a decision of right and wrong.   [End]
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You really need to read as much as you can so you can begin to see the patterns. Read the actual government documents, such as the patriot act part 1 and the one they just tried to sneak through, Part 2. Once you start going to the sites I left you will see the similar patterns fromm the information stick out like a sore thumb. Any time they are referenced to documents..research them to check their authenticity. Watch the film I suggested. Alex has a way of getting the point across and he tells you how to check out everything he documents. Also listen to his radio program. Do these t ...
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Thanks for the info, it’s a good push in the right direction... But I have to wonder (I’m in no way undermining the validity of your post, it’s just in my nature to be inquistive) what is fact from fiction, and how can we separate the two? With all the different opinions and arguments, it’s easy to get side-tracked and misled. How do I verify what I read is in fact true, so that I can pass the info on to others? One more thing, what are the consequences on the average people of this nwo?   [End]
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Motives = Power or domination over others. They are control freaks with a capitol C. The best ammunition against them is to warn others and ”wake up” as many people as possible. First arm yourself with lots of knowledge. The best internet site I know is infowars, com run by a christian named Alex Jones. Wouldn’t matter if he was a Christian or a Buddist, he is a seeker of truth. Also Dr, Len Horowitz has some great books on the subject. A daily radio program that discusses the New World Order is hosted by Alex Jones. You can find it here weekdays at 10 am MST. The show runs 3 ...
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can someone please explain to me the motives for a new world order? What, if anything, can we do to prevent it?   [End]
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God condones killing???? This is news to me!! If that’s the case, where do you draw the line? Or do you???   [End]
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Yes I agree that the war mongers will likely enjoy a lazy day. *wink*   [End]
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...But not mine. IMHO, the scripture and statements that you have so carefully chosen actually demonstrate what I have been saying all along. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: Bingo! Again, where is your evidence about what you aspouse to. I have supplied much and can supply heaps more. Still waiting for yours. Read some more. Study some more. Think some more. I’ll wait.   [End]
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Nah, It’s not me gobblin’ lies. Not at all. I look at all things very carefully instead of focusing on only a few. Then I corelate, look for patterns, use logic and piece things together very carefuly. I don’t rely on faith either. Blind faith costs lives. I think that someone else is doing all the lie gobblin’. Stofurz says: ”They did not murder which is a sin under the ten commandments, they killed. Just like if someone was about to attack my wife, I would have the right to kill that person. If someone even makes a threat to me or a movement that is threatening, I can act in se ...
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It all kind of reminds me of this verse in the bible 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: It seems like you will use any source to try and prove your point. I’m a Christian, so you try and find Christians that agree with you. Well, you probably will. Being saved only takes believing on Jesus as your Lord and Savior and confessing that God raised him from the dead. It doesn’t mean they have all wisdom. Just access to it. They need to study the word and seek God and then they will have a better knowledge of t ...
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The only thing is the supporters won’t have to get out and march, we can just sit back and let you guys do all the marching you want. If nothing else, it will be good exercise for you.   [End]
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God is the source, the Bible is his word, and all others are counterfiet.   [End]
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Are you able to go to the bathroom without George saying so yet. You sure sound like it.   [End]
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There aren’t as many people protesting as the media likes to invent. You are falling for media lies. Even when there own polls show the majority of people are for the war, and it has the support of congress and the U.N., they still seem to convey the opposite. I didn’t say Christ was a terrorist? Are you, like the media trying to twist what I say, and put words in my mouth? God condones killing. Why? Because, when you don’t kill people, that are a threat to you, then you get killed. We could let anybody walk into America, and take over, if that is your brilliant plan. Negotiate with i ...
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Yes, I believe you heard Hitler was a born again christian. Why would that surprise me. Look what you have heard. Could it be that you have been fed some lies and gobble them up like they are truth. It’s possible. You do seem to rely on the media a lot for your dirt on George and America. George is a Christian. He confessed Jesus as Lord before the American people and on Life today, even while he was running for President. You would think, if there was any way to lose some votes, it would be saying that. But George confessed Jesus during the debates, and on TV a number of times. He has ...
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Editor’s Note: Fritz Springmeier is probably the world’s foremost authority on the bloodlines of the Illuminati and the techniques they employ to create a mind controlled slave. His books on mind control (co-authored with former Illuminati programmer Cisco Wheeler) are without peer in depth, rigorous detail, and uncompromising accuracy. His lecture on the Illuminati and mind control given at the Granada Forum in 1998 was the best and most astute presentation I’ve ever heard on the subject. Naturally, anyone who exposes the Illuminati’s underbelly with Fritz’s level of adroitness is going t ...
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The reason is, IMO, that some people are either too busy, too confused, too entertained, or too fearful to get involved. Many brave people are speaking out individually and from within literaly thousands of organizations from all walks of life. Christians, teachers, police, doctors, housewives, bluecollar workers, white collar workers, students and all kinds of people are waking up to the truth that their liberties have been ripped away. Treason hey, then I guess Christ was a terrorist! The only thing that ”is destroyong America from within” is the butcher job to the US constitut ...
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The reason why all Americans aren’t out on the streets protesting that their freedom is being taken away is because they are not alarmists. You Jump to conclusions like your going to be detained tomorrow and lose your citizenship. If protestors pose a danger to America by their associations to terrorists, like A.N.S.W.E.R., and give aid and comfort to the enemy, then they are abusing their freedom. People used to be executed for treason. A.N.S.W.E.R. takes protesting to the filthiest level. Educating with deceit, and spreading lies, recruiting, flag burning. The kind of threat they pose ...
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I hear Hitler was a ”Born Again Christian” Believe me. George can say what ever he likes but actions speak louder than words. To put it in a more understandable way...If he walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, then chances are... Why is George eroding American freedoms? God given freedoms from Christian forefathers? Can you prove your statement? [”George is a righteous President”] Just saying it doesn’t make it so. How many wars did Jesus start? [”I know all about the government behind the government and the new world order.”] Ummm really?..then you must kno ...
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Why are we so willing to throw away our freedom? The obviously false pronouncements that we hear everyday are merely justifications for the robbery and enslavement of all the world’s people by the evil men who control our money, our media, and our beliefs. They believe that they can buy their friends. They believe that if you give someone enough money, those who accept these bribes will look the other way when their neighbors are killed. The ”blackmail, terror and mass murder” President Bush speaks of are not something the U.S. and its allies are combatting, they are things the U.S ...
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John 8:32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. See like me, George has a freedom from Jesus that the world doesn’t know, or understand, and cannot take away. Psalm 27:1 The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? If homeland security is scaring you so much, then you could sure use Jesus in your life. Christians in Sudan have been seen being crucified on trees and skinned alive. Hundreds of t ...
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Continually shooting one’s self in the foot is helping many people wake up to the tyranny underway so.... great! A hearty THANKS is therefore in order. Truth has a way of finding those that have eyes to see and ears to hear. An open mind is the path to truth in all things. The veils peel away easily when we don’t cling to sacred cows. I agree, it is frustrating at a lower chakra level though. *wink*   [End]
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America is hell bent on destroying its own Constitution. The first Patriot Act torpedoed most of it, but now the new Patriot Act II - (currently under wraps and about to be deployed secretly for a rigged vote in Congress) - actually contains a provision to revoke the citizenship of American citizens if they are deemed to be connected with a terrorist organization. This decision would require no proof, only an ASSERTION by the government. The definition of terrorist is wide open. It means that people who attend peace protests are now eligible for indefinite detention without access t ...
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Lapis! You are right! I am just torturing myself by coming on this forum...actually Stofurz is torturing me. I just can’t believe it. byebye!!! bye Political Forum! Tracey   [End]
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Lapis! You are right! I am just torturing myself by coming on this forum...actually Stofurz is torturing me. I just can’t believe it. byebye!!! bye Political Forum! Tracey   [End]
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