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I don't know enough to explain it, but my healing path has definitely included the lymph system.

Massage, and movement have been wonderful tools.

I don't know how much 'damage' might be in there, but I am absolutely positive that 'blockages' of one kind or another prevent healing until they are released.

One poster wrote that men and women have different layers of muscle and fat, for example, in their stomach areas.

Apparently, a man's fat layer is beneath his muscle layer, and a woman's is exactly the opposite. I don't know, as I say, but it certainly feels like that on me...when I hold my stomach in my hands and flex. (I don't let anyone look when I do this...and please forget that I wrote it here!)

Right now, in response to your post, Grzbear, I would like to pour out everything I've imagined and reasoned out on my health journey. But it would crash CureZone for sure.

So, I'll just say this, it has been a circular route of twigging to one thing, then hearing/understanding more, and moving on to something else.

For instance, too much acid, or too much alkali, is not good. Yet, someone else wrote that the urinary system is naturally slightly acidic, that it must be, or we are in trouble. Later, I learned that the ammonia waste from parasites, which we urinate out, is more damaging/irritating. Get rid of the parasites and see how much better you feel. It only took one week of Humaworm to teach me that. Most surprising!

I think it is all a cycle, a flow.

Another for instance...

...The pressure of liver stones got pretty intense, so I went out metal-detecting on the beach. The gentle swinging motion, side to side, twisting gently at the waist, for about three hours...settled the pressure for me. It built again later, of course, causing me to try the herbal liver cleanse that White Tiger prefers -- before my Humaworm cleanse.

Interestingly, I had twinges in the underarm/chest area, both during and after my Humaworm cleanse.

I know right now the flow of bile is impaired. I've learned to 'read' that in the bathroom. Prunes and cooked beets helped the bowels, but not the flow of bile, as I had hoped. Maybe raw beets?

Gonna try the herbal Liver Flush again today. Oh boy, does that ever work on the liver! Ouch! Oo-oo-oo! Eeh! Ah-h-h! But, in my case, there they sat in the gallbladder... and only decided to move on in recent days. I'll help.

It's FLOW, I think. One thing after another...and nothing we do can affect the natural order of things. The body knows...all we can do is follow along after...getting smarter as we go.

I am quite surprised that you have incorporated so much good activity, and still feel there is something wrong in your lymph system.

You would have done some parasite cleansing, I imagine, so, what could be slowing you down?

This may sound silly, but, as you fall asleep at night, you could 'release' the blockage, whatever might be its source. Just freely release it, with words, even if you don't yet believe yourself. Then forget it.

It takes something like 36 or 48 hours. And you may surprise yourself right down to your socks. You'll find yourself doing something, feeling something you didn't expect...without effort or stress.

Somehow I don't think it is permanent damage. I maybe entirely wrong, of course, but maybe it is just too soon to give up?

Do you exhale on the exertion? That's powerful. And have you tried simple stretches and flexes? I do some of those in bed. It becomes kind of a dance at times, and even happens after I am partly asleep...involuntarily. Very pleasant.

And, all massage is useful, especially gentle. Your body will tell you when you are too rough. Listen!

Hm-m-m...I'm going to be thinking about this one all day.

I do know that I believe that overweight is some blockage of the flow OUT of the body, in one area or another. But, it is more complicated than the advertisers of 'products' would have us believe, I'm sure.

Your mention of good fats helping the liver is key, I believe. (I've just got to understand where the choline and phosphate come from, and if I've got enough, in natural form. And if anything blocks that function.)

'Tis a puzzlement!

But, we'll figure it out.

Six heads are always better than one!

My best,

Fledgling

Thanks Invincible and fledgling... what do you think of me posting this on ask curezone for more exposure?

The massage is a rare treat for me now, used to be monthly and may be again soon... but to add self massage would be good and\or significant other massage time.

The Infrared sauna may be a possibility and I will look into it, however need to concern myself with the cost as we are really striving to get our house in order and build a dojo in the back yard so we can teach humane living, Zen philosophy, and karate to kids and families.

I can, however, 9 - 10 months out of the year, lay in the sun and sweat... I can sweat for a few hours or more almost daily and\or work outside. When I do this, sometimes I can literally wring my clothes out. If I keep on keepin' on, I suspect a year or two will have this problem sorted out.

But I do believe, however far fetched it may sound, that the pharmaceuticals and OTC medications (and very likely chemical and processed food additives ) can interfere with lymphatic flow and may in some cases actually damage the lymphatic system and could be the "unknown" source of weight issues for some people. How else can one explain a 40+ pound weight gain over the course of 3 months while actually reducing calories, AND any junk food in the diet, all the while exercising? This is what happened to me...

grz

A few more thoughts on this matter:)...consider that perhaps your body is changing over time. Bodies do that, I've noticed. The strongest old farts I know are built like bulls...Strong old(no, I'm not saying that you're "old" at what...50?) guys usually have quite a thick(relatively) trunk. I'm thinking in particular of an 80 year old friend who owns 40 acres in the mountains...and outwalks & outhikes anyone around...and also, historically, in some martial arts and spiritual traditions, a "big" belly is seen as a source of much power...it is where our "chi" resides....

so, consider the possibility that you are not damaged, but coming into your hard-fought-for and well-earned power...

Here's a REALLY good link on all things "belly":


http://www.yogajournal.com/practice/168.cfm

Ladies and gentlemen,

I am in awe of all you have learned, and where you are going.

I am even more glad I chose the screen handle of 'fledgling', for I truly am.

Your posts and your accomplishments prove that we must always make allowances, when posting, that the person to whom we speak may be far more 'knowing' than we can guess.

More, we come at these questions from different paths, at different stages of development...and may be working on different areas, I think.

On my part, I am really slanted toward relying on the 'inner voice' to lightly guide me; make me ask the right questions, reach for what I need. I feel that the harmony we are born to is greater than any disharmony mankind can create, no matter how many are on the job. Smile.

There is much in this thread for me to save, print out, and use as reminders.

Grz, thank you for including me here.

Do you feel you have enough feedback for your questions now?

The only suggestion I can add is to explore the energy meridians; particularly the ones that may have been altered in surgery.

One point I came across a couple of times is that both blood vessels and nerves can and do regrow, making new pathways. Perhaps energy pathways do the same.

I really like 'Touch for Health' applied kinesiology...and I enjoy massaging my hands, ears, feet, to find the 'stiff' spots and work them out, or simply directing the energy flow from my hands, etc., where I intend improvement.

I am also happily experimenting with the Doyletic technique of quickly regressing one's age to before age five, before any trauma. It seems to work. See the Emotional forum.

Also the four Alexander Technique statements. Amazing posture improvement. Profound stuff!

Simple words really do affect water, and everything else, for the better. It's the energy we invest, simply directing our thoughts, intentions, and attentions, for a moment. And the energy of the hands in preparing anything, adds immensely to its value and influence.

My best, Grzbear, everyone.

Fledgling