*Warning* Toxins/Hazard of Pickling ... 
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Below is data regarding the substantial amount of toxins found in food grade pickling lime (which is added to water to create lime water)…pickling lime is chemically known as calcium hydroxide. Pickling lime is/has been recommended quite frequently on Curezone as an ingredient to daily ‘alkalizing drinks’ to help achieve a state of alkalinity.
Lead, Fluoride, Aluminum, Arsenic, Insoluble Acids, Heavy Metals, Crystalline Silica.
Calcium hydroxide (also known as hydrated lime) is produced from the slow addition of water to crushed or ground quicklime (calcium oxide), which is produced by burning various forms of limestone. It is found in varying ‘grades’; the information below deals only with food grade pickling lime.
The Food Chemicals Codex (FCC) is a publication that sets limits on the amounts of toxins allowed to be in any product for human consumption and is basically ‘the bible’ for the FDA and EPA. This book is available for sale in the 500.00 price range. Of course, it is copyrighted, and so one cannot easily find data from the FCC on the Internet.
http://www.vonl.com/CHIPS/fcc5.htm
However, with a bit of diligent surfing, I was able to find the FCC information regarding calcium hydroxide and calcium oxide on a couple of different websites (one being a company that makes/sells calcium hydroxide; the other a site devoted to salt-water aquariums).
http://www.mississippilime.com/products/dept.asp?dept%5Fid=310
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-01/rhf/index.php
(similar FCC information regarding food grade calcium hydroxide can be found here):
http://www.linkgrinder.com/Patents/Method_of_producing_food_grade_hydrat_6926...
The following are the chemicals, rocks, metals, and toxins you can expect to be ingesting if you are drinking alkalinizing drinks created with pickling lime/calcium hydroxide:
Food Grade Calcium Hydroxide Specifications
Assay Ca(OH)2…….95 – 100.5%
Magnesium and Alkali Salts…….Less than 4.8%
Fluoride…….eLess than 50 ppm
Lead Less than 10 ppm
Arsenic…….Less than 3 ppm
Acid Insoluble Substances…….Less than 0.5%
Heavy Metals…….Less than 30 ppm
Food Grade Calcium Oxide Specifications
Assay CaO……..95 – 100.5%
Loss on Ignition…….Less than 10%
Magnesium and Alkali Salts…….Less than 3.6%
Fluoride…….Less than 150 ppm
Lead…….Less than 5 ppm
Arsenic…….Less than 3 ppm
Acid Insoluble Substances…….Less than 1%
Heavy Metals…….Less than 30 ppm
The above tables are the FCC limits/regulations; the table below shows what was actually found in ‘typical’ batches of food grade calcium oxide & calcium hydroxide.
TYPICAL PHYSICAL ANALYSIS CALCIUM HYDROXIDE
% Solids…….38.5%
-100 Mesh (dry basis)…….99.5%
Lbs./gal …….10.7
Median Particle Size…….6 Micron
pH……. 12.4
Sedigraph BET Surface Area……. 24 m2/g
-200 Mesh (dry basis) …….98.5%
Carbonate……. Passes Test
-325 Mesh (dry basis)……. 98.0%
Viscosity……. 2000 cps
Assay Ca(OH)2 …….95 - 100.5%
Magnesium & Alkali Salts …….Less than 4.8%
Fluoride…….Less than 50 ppm
Lead……. Less than 10 ppm
Arsenic……. Less than 3 ppm
Acid Insoluble Substances……. Less than 0.5%
Heavy Metals……. Less than 30 ppm
TYPICAL CHEMICAL ANALYSIS
Ca(OH)2- Total 98.25%
Crystalline Silica <0.1%
Ca(OH)2- Available 96.75%
CaCO3 0.5%
CaSO4 0.05%
Sulfur - Equivalent 0.012%
SiO2 0.48%
P2O5 0.008%
AL2O3 0.15%
Fe2O3 0.06%
MgO 0.32%
MnO 0.0025%
Typical Chemical Analysis of Food Grade Calcium Oxide
Si (Silicone)…….0.35%
CaO…….98.0%
Loss on Ignition…….0.50%
Magnesium & Alkali Salts…….1.0%
Fluoride…….75 ppm
Lead…….<0.5 ppm
Arsenic……. <1.0 ppm
Acid Insoluble Substances…….0.20%
Heavy Metals…….2 ppm
Al (Aluminum)…….0.10%
Fe (Iron)……. 0.04%
S (Sulphur)…….0.01%
CO2…….0.40%
P (Phosphorus)…….50 ppm
Mn (Manganese)…….12 ppm
Ca (Calcium)…….69.97%
Crystalline Silica…….<0.1
Toxins in calcium hydroxide (well, those that I can clearly see – as I don’t ‘read chemistry speak’ all that well):
Lead, Fluoride, Aluminum, Arsenic, Insoluble Acids, Heavy Metals, Crystalline Silica.
Here is a link to the Material Safety Data Sheet for undiluted pickling lime/calcium hydroxide; the information below the link is taken from that MSDS. (
http://www.mississippilime.com/products/product.asp?dept%5Fid=310&pf%5Fid=310...
Route(s) of Entry:
Inhalation? YES
Absorption Through Skin? YES
Ingestion (swallowing)? - YES
Health Hazards: Acute - Corrosive to skin and eyes. Causes irritation and inflammation to mucous membrane and respiratory passages.
Signs and Symptoms of Exposure:
Irritation of skin, eyes, and respiratory tract.
Medical Conditions Generally Aggravated by Exposure:
Respiratory disease, skin condition.
Emergency and First Aid Procedures:
Remove to fresh air. Wash dust with soap and water. Flush out eyes with generous amounts of water. Drink plenty of water if swallowed. See Physician.
Steps to Be Taken in Case Material is Released or Spilled:
-Normal clean-up procedures.
-Care should be taken to avoid causing dust to become airborne.
- Vacuum cleaning systems are recommended.
Waste Disposal Method:
-Dispose of product in accordance with Federal, State and Local regulations.
Precautions to Be Taken in Handling:
-Store away from water and acids.
Respiratory Protection:
-Dust filter mask is recommended as minimal protection
Ventilation:
-Local Exhaust – To maintain TLV and PEL
Mechanical – To maintain TLV and PEL
Protective Gloves – Cloth or leather gloves will protect skin
Eye Protection – Fitted goggles will reduce eye injury
Other Protective Clothing – Long sleeve shirts and pants
Work / Hygienic Practices – Maintain dust exposure limits below TLV and PEL. If not possible – use respiratory protection
---end of technical data---
Below are my notes, observations & thoughts on the use of pickling lime, alkalizing drinks and alkalizing our bodies:
Obviously this combination of toxins (along with this type of governmental safety recommendations) cannot go hand in hand with any type of natural/holistic healing, even if the result of ingesting these chemicals, heavy metals & toxins create a temporary ‘alkaline reading’ on a pH test strip. The main alkalizer here is obviously calcium, and calcium is plentiful in a variety of easily digested & assimilated healthy fruits & vegetables, nuts, molasses, seeds & sprouts (and from NON-pasteurized dairy products…but remember, calcium is TAKEN from the body’s mineral reserves when pasteurized dairy products are consumed, as the body needs the enzymes found in the raw milk for the digestive process – and those necessary enzymes were killed in the pasteurization process causing the body to have to utilize it’s reserves of minerals to create the digestive enzymes necessary to deal with ‘dead dairy’). There is also calcium present in soy products, but since it’s virtually impossible to find non-GMO soy products (and because my research shows any benefit of soy can easily be found in more easily assimilated foods), I have not included it in my notes.
Danger! Danger! *Crystalline Silica* Danger! Danger!
Crystalline Silica is basically finely ground glass…and it WILL/DOES cut into soft human flesh…causing bleeding, then swelling, and then scar tissue. When ingested by breathing, one can effectively inflame & scar the lungs to the point of death; when ingested orally in can harm every vital organ that it cuts into…ending up in the kidneys (if it gets that far) to cause permanent harm and permanent scarring.
My husband and I are lapidary artists (we cut & grind rocks into various shapes & ‘gems’ for use by jewelry designers, collectors, and metaphysical healers and ‘heal-ees’. We are extremely aware of the very serious (sometimes permanent) damage that can happen to our bodies when ingesting even small amounts of various types of finely ground rocks. These fine particles can be absorbed through the skin and the lungs no matter how careful one is, but to intentionally drink them is certainly not something we would recommend for healing the body. There is never any need to ingest harmful or toxic substances to create health. Just as with supplements, “it’s not how much you take, it’s how much your body absorbs.”…and with ground rocks, you can be assured that your body is spending FAR more time & energy detoxing and cleansing them out of your system (or trying to), than it is gaining any benefit. And that is not healing; in fact, it’s the exact opposite of healing.
So then, in light of the major amounts of extremely toxic substances in pickling lime, one just HAS to ask: why in the WORLD when you do a Curezone search on (“pickling lime”,”lime water”), do you end up with over 100 hits, with most of them being positive in nature? Well, that’s a VERY long story/explanation, but it can be summed up fairly well with not too much trouble:
Prerequisite: the person/people making the recommendations did not do adequate research before making recommendations, or they had an agenda other than health in mind.
#1. As humans, we have a tendency to believe that something is ‘true’ if it’s stated ‘loudly’, forcefully, enthusiastically, and with some other type of truth attached to it…especially when we don’t have the time to research it fully, and/or it makes sense, and/or if we trust the person who is stating it.
#2. As humans, we really want to help our fellow man, so we repeat what we think we know is true.
#3. As humans, we have a tendency to believe that something is ‘true’ if a lot of people agree with it or are saying the same thing.
#4. It’s a heckuva lot easier to let other people tell us what is true & good for us, than it is to work & research and find the truth for ourselves. AND that IS what we’re most used to doing. (For years, probably decades, most of us truly believed we should look to M.D.s and the allopathic world for truthful answers to the questions we have about health & medicine). So when we start our journey/pathway into holistic health and healing, we do the same thing…look to some other person or authority to give us the truth. Both M.D.’s AND holistic healers/naturopaths and teachers ARE human, and the same forces affect them equally…desire to be ‘right’; desire to be respected; human ego; need for money/profit; need for self-esteem…all these things can come before the ‘truth’.
Example: Almost the entire population of Germany believed that Hitler was telling the truth when he said that the Jewish population –and the people/countries he wanted to invade & conquer- were a source of evil and the cause of Germany’s (and the world’s) problems. First he said it loudly, forcefully and extremely enthusiastically, mixing it with other information and data that WAS true…Germany WAS in trouble; inflation was outrageous, society as they knew it WAS crumbling and falling apart around them. He had them nodding their heads in agreement about very serious issues that affected each and every person in Germany, and when he slipped in the lie about what the cause of it all was, they were so busy agreeing with all the other truths (and being thankful that someone was finally addressing the problems and doing something about them), that the lie just slipped right passed them…and ultimately it became part of a ‘truth’ they really knew and believed. AND before Hitler put his ‘propaganda machine’ into ‘high gear’ to gain the support of the population of Germany, he had all of his opposition murdered. This ensured there was no one left to come against/challenge his ‘truth (or had the courage to do so publicly). This event is known in history as The Night of the Long Knives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives
**!!** The above example doe NOT mean I’m saying that people that have recommend thatpickling lime be ingested as part of an alkalizing drink have an evil agenda like Hitler did. **!!**
But it does mean that we humans have a very bad habit of letting other people do our thinking for us…especially if ‘other people’s thinking’ ends up being far easier to utilize and apply than doing a lot of research and reading on our own… written by those whose truths are NOT so desirable, comfortable or easy to accomplish.
Achieving alkalinity IS the ultimate key to glowing perfect health. But the process is not as simple a drinking a glass or two of alkalizing mineral cocktails daily. In fact, drinking those cocktails MAY just be enough to turn off some of our ‘acid symptoms’ WITHOUT actually healing the body.
When we realize that the allopathic medical system is not truly healing us, and that they’re making money off of us by prescribing us expensive medicines (that are toxic to our body) that simply cover up our symptoms (and cause more symptoms) instead of healing our body, we turn to the world of holistic healing. And we are SO used to the thinking: “got a symptom, take a pill”, that when we discover there are “pills” that are all natural and not harmful to our body (and will take away our symptoms!), we naturally jump right on that old bandwagon with a LOT of joy, enthusiasm & relief!! And we can EASILY fall victim to the thinking process (above)…there’s a lot of truth mixed in with a few falsehoods, a LOT of people talking forcefully, genuinely & enthusiastically, and a LOT of people agreeing with them…so off we go, thinking and repeating to others what we think we know is the truth. But there’s a ‘big whoops’ that got missed in there! Taking “herbal cures”, supplements, alkalizing drinks, tonics, tinctures & various forms of ozonated/electrified ‘stuff’… many MANY times only serves to cover up our symptoms (just like allopathic ‘cures’)!!! This may be JUST as “unnatural” as bombarding our body with allopathic ‘symptom relievers’…and NONE of us truly know just how much harm we are really causing in the long run.
Example #1: We’ve used Miracle II neutralizer fluid for years as a way to safely keep our acid low & our alkalinity up (as well as using it for detoxing baths and a variety of other household uses). And after taking it for only a few DAYS, the symptoms of acidosis that are so common started disappearing…and after a few weeks, we could see the results (and lack of symptoms) quite clearly. No more skin tags forming; thickening toenails (from toenail fungus) leaving; less scalp itching/dandruff; ‘most any infection could be banished with a double dose; and on & on & on. But we also noticed, that if we ran out or stop taking it regularly the symptoms reappeared almost immediately. Had we achieved an alkaline state? NO! But we had achieved a ‘false peacefulness’ that happened because we covered up the ‘sounds’ of our bodies screaming and crying out for help! Because that is EXACTLY what a symptom is….our bodies trying desperately to tell us something is dreadfully wrong. And the ‘wronger’ it gets, the worse the symptoms become.
Example #2:
One of the reasons I got ‘back on the bandwagon’ of holistic health and healing a few years ago (that I have ‘dabbled in’ my entire life) was because I have dealt with horrendous boils & carbuncles (worsened/complicated by fatty tumors known as lipomas), in varying stages/degrees since I was a teenager. These nightmarish golf-ball sized boils not only crippled my body, but also my spirit. The pain was fantastical; there were days I couldn't walk or move at all; they oozed the foulest and most nauseating of smells & substances. I was ashamed to be in my body, and the emotional consequences were enormous. Of course, strong antibiotics relieved them temporarily, but they always returned in some form or another. Then I decided I just had to get to the bottom of the situation, so I started looking for natural ‘cures’. First I started using Colloidal Silver…and if I took Colloidal Silver every day, they went away. BUT when I stopped taking CS, they came back. (And of course, the stress on my entire digestive tract was phenomenal because the CS kills ALL bacteria, not just the 'bad guys'). But I didn't know that, and I didn't care; it took away the horror. Those that sold me the CS told me that all my digestive symptoms were "die off" and/or "healing crisis", and they/I had not the knowledge to understand the real reason for the symptoms the CS caused at that time. And then there was Transfer Factor (same results), and then Echinacea (same results), and then Miracle II…still no lasting, true, CURE. I had found a multitude of things that would cover up my symptoms, but NOTHING that would cure my body.
I could have EASILY (with a true heart and the most honest of intentions) have devoted substantial resources and dedicated my life to helping those people with severe boils & carbuncles, and started selling or strongly recommending ANY of those very fine products/herbs. Luckily for my ego & pride (and for the health of thousands of people), I found out the truth…that cleansing the organs thoroughly of accumulated acidic toxins & poisons (and NOT putting any more toxins into me), pure water, fresh air, sunshine, no negative emotions/energy, exercise and an almost complete change of diet IS THE ONLY WAY there is to attain an alkaline terrain…and that is the ONLY true cure for infections & disease of ALL kinds.
**!!** This does NOT mean I’m saying that symptom relief & control while we’re healing our body is a bad thing. In fact, the removal of symptoms is a very positive & encouraging thing, and in many case the symptoms (severe pain, etc) removal of the symptom can almost be considered a requirement to attain a strong state of alkalinity & vibrant health. **!!**
So what exactly happens to our bodies in the long run, if we constantly shove them full of herbal/natural products and supplements that temporarily remove symptoms? Well, of course, there’s never been a lot of research done on this (as almost everyone that devotes their life to teaching natural health simply has to sell “product” in order to survive)…so even in the holistic world ‘people push product’ just like allopathic medicine. Once again, there is NO MONEY TO BE MADE by ANYONE in truly healing the body by simply teaching us how to cleanse our body and eat & live ‘right lifestyles’ (and besides, the majority of us have yet to learn holistic healing isn’t any type of a ‘quick fix’ and we’re still listening to our ‘programming’ that we should ‘pop a pill’ or a product to achieve health). And anyway, those that have/had gained the immense amount of knowledge necessary (as to how to create and utilize our Earth’s healing herbs to create extremely effective, safe healing products and methods) and have attempted to practice medicine and use their research to heal others…have had their clinics raided and shut down by the government FDA, been arrested and imprisoned (or ran out of the country). Dr. Kelley, Dr. Schulze, Dr. Gerson, and Dr. Christopher are the greatest healers of all times…and all of them risked their safety bodily safety and freedom in order to teach and heal.
Oops, I strayed from point. What happens when we ‘overuse’ natural products? Well, the one example I can think of is the use of “antis” …anti-bacterials, anti-fungals, anti-virals, etc. Our immune system is VERY smart…when hit with a ‘bad invader’of any kind, the immune system will learn & remember ‘the code’ of that invader, and by allowing the immune system to fight & win on it’s own (and helping the immune system by providing it with the good nutrition it needs for ‘ammunition’), we will develop permanent immunity from that particular invader. But what happens if we use an “anti” herb or product instead of allowing our immune system to fight & learn? We just killed off the invader (and heavens knows what other very vital organisms in our bodies) WITHOUT allowing the immune system to learn. And the next time our body encounters the same invader, there is no natural immunity and the fight/cycles starts all over again.
And another very important thing along those same lines is this: not everything we think of as “an invader to be killed” is truly an invader. For instance, Candida yeast is NOT an ‘invader’. Candida is a normal part of our body’s ‘clean up crew’; it’s there to clean up our terrain when we stray ‘off course’. But if our diet is consistently poor, we have a thick layer of mucoid plaque (which provides the PERFECT environment for the yeast to breed and eat) and our body is overloaded with incoming sugars and toxins, the yeast go crazy and reproduce like mad…causing Candida infections and overgrowth. So then, without researching and learning, we start bombarding our body with all kinds of “natural” yeast killing/anti fungal products & oils. Again, sometimes we just HAVE to lessen the symptoms to get to the place where we have the energy & clarity of mind to be able to do what is necessary. But taking scads and scads of anti-fungal products also effectively kills off EVERY natural yeast/fungus in our body…and they are there for a very good reason.
The Foundation of Alkalinity & Health:
--If we have ever eaten incorrectly for any length of time, we have a thick layer of extremely toxic, acidic mucous lining our small & large intestine. EVERYTHING we consume HAS to soak through that thick acidic lining before it reaches the villi/wall of our intestines to be absorbed into the bloodstream. And when what can soak through that layer of acidic toxins DOES make it into our bloodstream, how alkaline do you think it is? Does it matter how alkaline it started out to be? Well sure, incoming alkaline is always better than incoming acid…but it will become at least partially acidified when it seeps/soaks through a layer of acidic toxins.
--That blood (that just got so “nourished” by the hopefully nourishing, alkaline food we ate that soaked through a nice thick layer of mucoid plaque), now goes through the liver for cleansing, detoxing and to become chemically altered so it can be utilized by the various organs in our body properly & efficiently. But if the liver is clogged & sluggish full of extremely acidic toxins and stale bile/cholesterol crystals that are loaded with bile salts & condensed toxins that it has filtered out over the years, and all the blood in the body goes through the liver every 3-5 minutes (which it does)…THEN what happens? Well, the blood of the body MUST be maintained at 7.35/7.4 pH or else death occurs. So the liver MUST take alkaline minerals from our bodies in order to cleanse/alkalize the blood, as well as continue filtering into itself the acids & toxins…which of course, causes the liver the become even more toxic, sluggish, and less efficient…which of course, causes even MORE symptoms & states of disease.
Remember here, we’re not talking about our food & blood seeping through a typical concentration/blend of acidic toxins like the ones we ingest. We’re talking about acids & toxins that have already been filtered OUT of ‘the general flow’ and away from the internal workings our bodies and intensely concentrated into small areas for DECADES (thus keeping them away from other parts of our body). Yet everything we eat has to soak through them, and every drop of our blood goes through an organ that contains them every 3-5 minutes. (And of course, if we’ve been ingesting a lot of ground up rocks as supplements, everything might be even more condensed, compacted and difficult to remove).
Another aspect of ‘alkaline terrain’ that is very frequently overlooked/ignored is our emotional state. Negative emotions/states (Overwork, Anger. Fear, Jealousy, Stress, and all their ‘friends’) contribute to acidosis. Here’s a great example:
http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/terrain/how_to_alkalize.htm
(note: I have not researched all the various methods this author chooses for attaining an alkaline terrain, but I have researched how negative emotions and ‘bad energy’ adversely effect our alkalinity and found it to be true).
Our Mental Chatter
Here is an experiment. Measure the pH of your saliva when you are feeling fine. Then, if you get angry (have a fight with your boss or spouse or for you men, you lose the remote) take your pH then too. And compare!
I did this the other day. I measured my pH at 6.8. That’s a pretty good place to be, between 6.8 and 7.0. However, a few minutes later, my neighbor called with some sort of horse emergency and darned if I could find my keys! The moment I uttered my first fiery word, I saw a pack of pH strips on my desk. I grabbed one and measured my saliva. It was off the chart. I had battery acid in my mouth (nearly).
The pH of our saliva gives us our emotional state. The more alkaline the better our state; and the more acidic, the more emotionally troubled we are. This is a plain and simple fact. If you take care of your body, but ignore your emotions you will not maintain your terrain. Hence, we called this regimen an Holistic Approach. We are focusing now on caring for our entire person, the Holy Trinity, as it were, consisting of the Body, Mind, and Spirit.
Did you know that attending a church service will raise your pH? Praying produces negative electrical charges within our bodies.
In summary (whew!):
-Ingesting pickling lime (that contains fluoride, lead, arsenic, heavy metals, ground rock and crystalline silica) is not the best way (or a healthy way) to achieve alkalinity, and it has the potential of being very harmful in the long run.
-Truth in natural/holistic healing is not necessarily what everybody else is doing or talking about. Truth is NOT determined by the fact that ‘everybody else is doing it’. WE are responsible for our own body; WE are responsible for finding the ‘true truths’…and if we choose not to accept those responsibilities seriously, then we can expect the consequences and results to be unfavorable.
-Ignoring & covering up symptoms (which is the body’s way of begging and crying out for help) with allopathic medicine and/or ‘natural’ herbs & products is NOT ‘natural’, and if relied upon for ‘healing’, has the potential to cause damage to our body.
-Thorough cleansing of the decades worth of toxins from our major organs is the foundation and backbone of alkalinity and true glowing health. Without doing that first, we’re just ‘building our house on sand’ and knocking out a few symptoms.
Unyquity
P.S. For those who would like some assistance in ‘putting together’ a diet, a lifestyle plan AND for learning just how to determine whose words you can trust and rely upon safely, Dr. Schulze has published a FANTASTIC booklet called, “Common Sense Health and Healing – 20 simple, easy and powerful steps to create a new healthy life”. It can be purchased from a variety of places, but getting it from his website is the least expensive (only $16.00!!). Find it here, in the “books” category http://www.herbdoc.com/nhp_800x600.asp
…and while you’re there, check out a few of the free newletters!
(I never fail to learn or relearn something of significance EVERY time I read/reread this booklet…it is jam-packed full of great knowledge AND inspiration & encouragement).
Another P.S.
I have no idea how much of the following relates to how ‘rock dust’ reacts inside the human body, but I’d like to share what it does to our home, equipment, appliances and septic tank. When we cut rocks, we use diamond coated blades, wheels & various lapidary equipment. The initially “slabbing” or cutting into the rocks takes place with 50-200 grit diamond abrasive…and the rock is gradually exposed to finer grits of diamond abrasive until it reflects a high-glass-gloss final polish. This final polish is obtained using diamond abrasives in the 14,000 – 50,000 grit range. Some type of oil or water with added chemicals must be used while doing the cutting, to keep the temperature of the cutting blades and grinding wheels at a minimum (as the heat from the friction can damage both the rock itself, and quickly cause the diamond coating to come off of the equipment). The end result is that all the ‘rock dust’ from grinding, cutting & polishing ends up mixed with the oil or water…creating a ‘sludge’ that is virtually impossible to clean from the equipment, container it is collected in, and your body. This ‘sludge’ is a nightmare. If it is allowed to dry, it feels like the finest of baby powder or cornstarch (not gritty or sandy at all)…that is, it feels soft & powdery WHEN you can break it up from the solid lump of rock it reforms into! When we wipe the sludge/dust off our bodies (or use rugs/towels to wipe it off the flooring or equipment), the sludge goes into the washcloth/towel/rug and when you put those into the wash machine, the majority of the sludge dissolves into the water and appears to go harmlessly down the drain. As does the water that you rinse yourself with, and the water you use to clean out the small containers, and the water from washing your clothes, etc, etc. And you just keep doing that ‘harmless rinsing & cleaning’ until every part of every pipe in your house becomes coated with ‘rock sludge’ and the septic tank becomes totally clogged with a very thick layer of sludge that has accumulated throughout the parts and on the bottom of the tank…and you get to spend thousands of dollars digging up your septic tank and using toxic chemicals to clean your pipes and appliances to avoid totally replacing everything. And folks, that happened to us EVEN when we thoroughly pre-rinsed EVERY towel, rag, rug and our bodies OUTSIDE of the house with the garden hose. I’m telling ya true, if ‘rock dust’ has anywhere close to the same effect inside the human body as it does outside the human body, drinking it daily (or consuming it in supplements) is NOT something you want to be doing.
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This is a reply to # 749,173When my grandma was teaching me how to make pickles 'the old fashioned way', she used to tell me..."only use HALF the amount of pickling lime in the recipe, the pickles may not be as crisp, but I don't think it's natural that cukes that are cooked and stored in water for a long time stay crisp & crunch. I don't know what in that stuff, but it changes God's food.
And know we know why, eh? Those grandmas had SO much common sense!
'Probably because their brains weren't shoved full of fluoride and other mind-altering poison.
Blessings,
Unyquity- THAT is why trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 749,165well first off i don't think lime water is essential for health, i am sure you can get calcium in other forms just as well. having said that, the amounts of "toxic" substances you list in pickling lime doesn't bother me one bit. ALL of those things are in a whole host of foods you ingest, and in larger amounts.
if you did a chemcial analysis of just about any herb on earth you would find trace amounts of all kinds of "toxic" substances. so what? we human are able to handle these substances in the 10 or 15 ppm range. if you ate nothing at all with any trace amounts of these "toxic" substances, you would starve to death.
silver is also a "toxic" substance. eat enough of it in any form and you will have a toxic reation. and yet in small amounts it therapuetic. same with gold. same with lots of other metals.
every single liquid trace mineral supplement (including the ones derivbed from plants) in the world lists all kinds of hevy metals in trace amounts. i take one derived from humic shale everyday and it works wonders for my brain and mental clarity.
lets get that lab to do that same chemical analysis of your favorite health food or supplement and see if it doesn't come back with some trace amounts of horribly toxic metals. i am sure it would. they are part of the soil, they are part of nearly every plant on earth, and part of our bodies. too much will kill you, but its impossible to avoid them.- YES! YES! YES! and NO! NO! NO! +edit... unyquity
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This is a reply to # 749,179YES! Of course there are trace toxins in natural food, that is but one of the reasons we have a liver. I'm pretty sure that natural food was meant to be eaten, and the body was given the equipment necessary to deal with it. I'm also pretty sure rocks were never meant to be eaten to achieve a state of health or alkalinity.
I understand the term "parts per million".
As we are aware, our planet is saturated with toxins & poison, if only the trace toxins in natural food are ingested, the liver can still become overburdened and health can be negatively affected because of the toxins occuring in food...but I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that the original 'parts per million' level of toxins in food, is FAR higher now than it was when the earth was created. Hence our 'natural organic' foods contain FAR more "natural" (cough) toxins for the body to deal with than the Creator ever intended. Does anyone among us really believe the Creator intended the trace levels of arsenic, aluminum and lead to be so high?
??? crystalline silica ???
It is my belief that to willingly add MORE known toxins (from ingesting chemically processed ground rocks) is not required to achieve health or alkalinity, and if given the knowledge to make the choice, they should definitely be avoided.
My intention was to offer the knowledge so that those seeking health could avoid ingesting even MORE trace amounts of toxins.
I do not believe in, nor do I subcribe to the concept of "acceptable losses" or
"safe levels of poison". Unavoidable? certainly. But consistent & repeated ingesting of "safe levels" of known toxins & poisons obviously adds up to 'unsafe'.
I do not understand why sharing this knowledge can be construed or labeled "disinformation", nor do I think that label and associated comments is helpful for people to achieve health. But I do think the knowledge & understanding of the various "forms" of toxins (natural or unnatural/synthetic) that has been brought to light, is very important to know.
Unyquity
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MoreThis is a reply to # 749,208i never said it was "disinformation." then again, you did title your post "WARNING MAJOR TOXINS" and i hardly think a few parts per million (some of them in lesser amounts than are in Sea Salt ) qualify as MAJOR TOXINS.
i have no problem with you bringing up the subject at all tho. thats what the forum are for, for people to offer their views.
i do think if you are calcium deficient then the pickling is as good a source as the other calcium supplements on the market, most of which i am sure have some or all of the impurities listed for pickling lime. in fact it may be better because, due to its powdered form, its almost certainly more easily taken up by the body.
but i do agree that plant based is best. its just not always easy to get all the calcium you need from plants these days due to minerals leaching from the soil, thus even the organic produce is often very mineral deficient.
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This is a reply to # 749,214My sincerest of apologies, you did not say 'disinformation'. I choose the wrong post to post under. And the phrase "major toxins" is apparently different for some than others.
Crystalline silica is a substance that when ingested can result in death, and we come into contact with it regularly as part of our job, so to me, it is definitely major.
I don't have any idea what an "insoluble acid" is, but it certainly sounds horrible.
Truly, I am confused (and disheartened/dispirited). I was expecting those that read the information in my post to be glad to see/find knowledge of yet another substance that can obviously add to the disease state of the human body, that can be avoided. Instead, the reaction seemed to be more 'in defense' of the substance in question or to "pick apart" (what I consider) the more insignificant aspects of the post.
Que sera sera, eh?
By the way, I'm in the midst of composing a post to your inquiry about Dr. Kelley; time constraints this week have been huge.
Blessings,
Unyquity
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MoreThis is a reply to # 749,219thanks about the dr. kelly thing, take your time, but i will read it with interest when you do post it.
i don't think i am picking apart the inconsequential items from your post. i just think that the hysteria over pickling lime is exaggerated. it won't cure baldness impotence and pms and add 20 points to your IQ, nor will it cause your limbs to fall off and drive you into an early grave. its just a calcium supplment, same as calcium citrate or any other one on the market. i would seriously be interested in having a chemical analysis of all the other calcium supplements on the market to get a peak into what is in them.
if someone believes its toxic and wants to avoid it, fine. there are certainly other places to get calcium from. but i do not personally believe its that bad, and may in fact be helpful for some.
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This is a reply to # 749,208I do not understand why sharing this knowledge can be construed or labeled "disinformation...
'cause you do not know what you are talking about. You have not done enough research.
"crystalline silica"-- call a company that sells a silica supplement made from crystals and talk to them about it. It is fine to ingest it, however breathing it is not good. The toxicolgy report is for the industrial use.
One can never be too sure of themselves with this info.
Typing in all caps on the net is the same as yelling.- The Hazards of Crystalline Silica +e... unyquity
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This is a reply to # 749,216http://www.google.com/search?as_q=health%2C+hazard&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+S...
health, hazard "crystalline silica" - Google Search
The most common known/reported hazard is by inhalation into the lungs (because that's the most common way to be exposed); however it's effect on any soft tissue in the body can result in similar effects. I/my husband have over two decades in the 'rock business'; we have seen MANY lapidaries and rock cutters incur major damage from inhalation and ingesting crystalline silica.
My husband has been certified by Melody as a Master of Crystology, and he has never heard of eating ground crystalline silica. If there is product/website that sells crystalline silica, please let me know it's name so that we can research it.
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This is a reply to # 749,222Yes, I believe Jarrow sells one and http://www.eidon.com. I had some questions about siica and I did the research and called around. It is a bit strange, but it is the truth. People have been taking in rock dust for a very long time. Humans have used stone morters and rocks to make food for a long time. Some of it gets into the food.
Take a look at diatomaceous earth. That is another high silica earth based substance that you *think* humans should not eat. But in fact it is very good for us. I take it with success and so do others.
One thing about research is that you have to go much deeper than the obvious in order to find the truth. But sometimes, the truth is so simple, we often overlook it!
Now, having said that, I think one needs to use their gut instincts about what to put into your body. I have yet to take the pickling lime, nor do I take coral calcium. At this point, it is because I have some questions about getting too much calcium. I would prefer to get it via my food. I have spoken to some in the mineral industry that think we as a culture already get plenty of calcium. So, in my view, there are other reasons one may choose not to take pickling lime. If it does not feel right to you, then either don't do it or test it out on yourself. Just because it is promoted by someone that has a lot of good info, does not mean it will be right for everyone.
The other thing, it does not matter that your husband works with crystal. Just because he knows a lot about it in one use does not make him an expert on the multi uses of the product. That is just false thinking. Hell, I have run across people in this industry that do not know a lot about the very product they promote and sell. (((((It is scary)))))- Should I be concerned about Crystall... #69375
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Q. "What is the difference between your product and what OSHA is talking about below?* I just purchased your product [Silica] at Whole Foods... Do I now have to be concerned about my health?"
* U.S. Department of Labor
Occupational Safety & Health Administration
Safety and Health Topics:
Silica, Crystalline
Silicosis is a disabling, nonreversible and sometimes fatal lung disease caused by overexposure to respirable crystalline silica. More than one million U.S. workers are exposed to crystalline silica, and each year more than 250 die from silicosis. There is no cure for the disease, but it is 100 percent preventable if employers, workers, and health professionals work together to reduce exposures.
A. This is a good question, which we get asked frequently. Crystalline silica is silica dust. If you are working in an environment where there is a lot of silica particulates in the air and you inhale it you may create problems for your lungs which could lead to cancer. In reality, if you inhale anything into your lungs other than clean air, you stand the chance of creating a significant lung problem. Smoking is a perfect example. Driving on a crowded freeway is another example. We are not designed to obtain our nutrients via our lungs but rather from the food we eat and the water we drink. Specific vocations expose people to excessive amounts of silica dust. The people who become affected are those who do not take adequate precautions to protect their lungs.
Silica in its nutrient form in water or food is a normal and natural delivery mechanism. It is an essential nutrient just like carbon. Inhaling excessive amounts of carbon from burning wood will kill one quite quickly and yet carbon is the second most prevalent element in our body.
I hope this answers your question. Drink Eidon silica in good health knowing it is completely safe.
In good health,
Rick Wagner
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This is a reply to # 749,350good point --
I knew a man who once drove tanker trunks full of 'edible oil'. This was a product commonly used in "cheese food",
(also much-used in non-food industry.) But did learning about the nature of this substance naturally imbue him
with full knowledge of K raft cheese and its effects in the body?
Maybe this isn't a good example--because in this particular case he didn't need to be a food scientist to discern that "edible' didn't mean '"advisable". He dined out on that cheese story, and those of his friends who were 'natural food' -conscious greatly enjoyed the horror stories of how this substance behaved. And I can't say for sure he didn't carry on eating such food products with a certain knowing glee, colourful character that he was. So--I'm not sure I didn't just undo any possible point I was making! :-)
I do think the !!warning!! post may be a little alarmist though--and posting it in THIS forum ( where the substance in question is a key part of the protocol) will doubtless be seen as incendiary.
Others have posted similarly in the past, although usually more sincerely questioning in nature--and the general consensus has been,after the dust settles, that the alkaline/acid debate forum or ask curezone would be the more appropriate place.
People here are grappling more with the finer points of 'how much' and 'when', and have presumably done enough self-study to commit to the Calcium Hydroxide, at least for an experimental term--and posting ( in effect, to alert them) that what they are engaging in is poison would be akin to going to ask Barefoot and posting a warning about the toxic potential of herbs. Say, cascara sagrada--an ingredient in one of MH's most-used and appreciated formulas.
Examining everything is welcome, ( it is to me at least ) but this is *probably* more suited to the debate forum--
but maybe more importantly, I'm guessing most people here might *guess* that you (Uniquity) knew that. And posted here anyway. hmm?
so we get a little full moon action, raising the dust in small tempests. but never mind. A few of us have done as much some time or another. Live and learn. :-)
A great master of meditation from Burma, who was at this time in his late seventies, used to sit in his little tent in the woods, while others sat in theirs, meditating, and someone would hear him call out ,"Deva coming!", and out of nowhere would come a wind storm, hurling its body, like a fierce tumbleweed through the site. And he'd laugh, not without delight.
maybe the thread will be transferred.
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hmmmm. Someone beam me up.Oh no! forget I said that.
I mean: Light, beam me up! I thought this WAS the Moreless forum. Holy cannoli.
I'm somewhat tickled that someone "agrees" with this message anyway.
Obviously, ignore what I said about the wrong forum etc.
(unless I WAS right, and this has been trwnsferred--in which case, great. Deva leaving!) Pronounced Day-wa. It's friendlier that way.
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edit#2:
The post with its new title looks fine in the Ask Curezone forum, but is a bit of a mix, in that the first part is presented as the alarming facts, and while they may be, in a half-truth fashion, being taken out of context ( the electrical-energy aspect of the whole drink, where ch is one part) the 'facts' do then become incendiary. In that sense, they seem to say "debate forum". The second part of the post, which is more the author's ideas, seems like it fits fine in Ask Curezone.
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This is a reply to # 749,435For some bizarre reason I thought this was on the Moreless forum, and I thought it was a bit incorrect, posting it there--
I think I better get off the computer for awhile---Jeezus
but before I do, here's another post that I was going to post to the debate forum and then post a link to in Moreless' forum--BUT since we ARE, it seems on the correct forum, maybe, unless this should got to acid/alkaline debate (?)
My head hurts...
here goes my full moon novella:
well, there is a *lot*of information in that post. (I have now read it thoroughly, since the title's been changed. Much that I can agree with: 'Natural methods' practiced allopathically are as wrong as plain old allopathics--maybe worse. I do think though, that this "Moreless" protocol ( specifically the CH drink) is not THE singular alkalizer, ( which is partly why I wish there were another name for the drink: one that didn't reference either one "personage" or encompass so broadly, one General principle as if it owned it wholly: how's that for a politically-loaded run-on sentence?) and, people would be very misguided if they were to believe that they do not have to fundamentally alkalize--and that at every level.
I can see where you'd be very wary of any form of "rock dust" given your experience. I too, as many here, have asked and wondered about and questioned at some point, the 'rock' nature of the CH --- vs some form of ionic or plant-based calcium. Ionic is more aligned physically with the cells of the body—this we know, don't we(?) and this CH is colloidal. When told that the CH effects are more of the nature of electrical energy, I can appreciate that, while still wondering about the value of the physical sediment that might get built up over time. ( or even be some sort of issue in say, leaky gut? Not so much thinking particularly of myself here, but my questioning is always in the service of what can be learned for others too. )
I'm reminded that this CH method was always put forth as being second-best to plant-based calcium...so, okay. Let's not forget that.–that’s a sort of sensible disclaimer, in my mind- and also, the CH has been promoted -and embraced by many- for its being *inexpensive*. That’s a big one for a lot of people. ( may i say a "big seller?
In that regard, Moreless has stated time after time that he has “nothing to sell"--while often implying that because someone else does (say MH) that makes that one’s methods or educational offering invalid.I don’t see that as “truth”: a given; to me it’s too simplistic, and I would suggest that there are many ways one ‘has something to sell’ that have nothing to do with actual money. So much for that. So it's good as you say, not to worship transient appearances, but instead honour the larger source, which is no one person( 's ).
As you have stated, simply saying something is so, until enough people also say it is, is NOT an indicator of the veracity of the thing. Moreless himself has often replied this way when people have brought negative documentation from other places on the net-- He has said, this information is simply false; and because truly we know almost anything can be researched and studied in order to slant the results in some desired direction, we can believe that we might want to *disbelieve* what the usual sources say about CH being inadvisable. The disinformation-abounding theory makes sense, after all, that's how 'Big Med' has become so big that many actually believe they will die without it.
For me personally, it was the fact the Cayce had prescribed Limewater, in small doses, especially for children--for 'acidity' (+sour stomach) and the calcium--that was what allayed the niggles I had about the "rock" aspect, and its effects,
over time.
(We all are familiar with something that gives great results for several months and then, suddenly not. Even the reverse. I was not anxious to go there.)
I also remember that in the back of mind I still wondered, if Cayce *recommended limewater (*which goes more to the sources of his 'readings', and his deep faith and service,and why I respect his 'prescriptions') then why only for babies (mostly?) Why not more broadly?Is it because in small amounts it is fine…? I don't know what the answer is. Maybe the limewater is actually 'safer' than anyone would imagine--after all, babies are very sensitive. He had something else he developed, called Calcios, made mostly of bones I think (which were probably safe those many years ago), a kind of paste to be spread on a cracker.That
was suggested for adults. But Cayce too always knew the value of vegetable minerals--and fresh foods.
You are also correct in assessing that a lie, * even a big huge one *, wedded to a few (or a hundred) truths goes down pretty smooth, becoming well -"die-gested" long before the horror sinks in, (witness the present state of affairs world-wide, especially post America's "9/11" .) And yes-- it’s hard not to bring up these horrific examples of truth gone wrong( or rather, conscripted to working for ‘the wrong side’ ) at this place in time, and likewise, it is good to be alert always for the small ways the natural gets twisted. The small adds up, and we should not be too willing to be told
(or hammered with the demand) to think for ourselves, if that might really translate to “think the way I think”.
In that sense I sometimes have had trouble with getting the physical aspect of CH to cohere with what I am told is occurring energetically: electro-chemically—which I DO have growing faith in, knowing as I do the great power of lemon alone, not to mention the synergistic potential. I don’t think we can grasp fully yet, or rather, probably don’t yet have the instruments to measure what happens when the CH meets the lemon, molasses, kelp, ES and then meets the bodily processes. It seems to be "a good thing"--but I feel I will have to assess it all after more time.
I Still think the original post will be seen as trying to storm the tower. (edit: I only said this because I thought this original post was in the Moreless forum) So, I’m putting this one in the debate forum, ( edit: nope. I'm putting it where it seems the others post is!
) where the rest of the thread may end up.In general, it begins to seem bad manners to post in lengthy missives on certain ‘private’ forums.
Apart from the overly-alarmist (maybe ) original title, I think this post of yours is a very good one, U.
I for one, would always welcome some indepth postings on the secret teachings of 'the CH drink'. It seems to be all a little beyond being fully explainable--and as someone whose third word was probably "why"--meaning how, when, where, and WHY, I will always want to know More.(not less) That's where the mysteries all exquisitely unfold.
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This is a reply to # 749,165unyquity!
Toxin is in the DOSE!!!
Look at this:
Fluoride…….Less than 50 ppm
Lead……. Less than 10 ppm
Arsenic……. Less than 3 ppm
Heavy Metals……. Less than 30 ppm
Do you have a slightest idea what it means?
ppm = parts per million.
1 million = 1,000,000
Look at the Sea Salt .
It contains approx the same amount of heavy metals.
Are you trying to say that we should not eat Sea Salt ?
Toxin is in the DOSE!!!
You can find next heavy metals:
Fluoride…….Less than 50 ppm
Lead……. Less than 10 ppm
Arsenic……. Less than 3 ppm
Heavy Metals……. Less than 30 ppm
In just about any dried (dehydrated) food you analyze!
I said dried. Why? Cause most food contain a lot of water, and water will change the ppm ratio. Once you remove water, you get very high ppm.
Seal's meat contains a lot of Fluoride, but I love to eat them (raw).
Fish contains a lot of Arsenic, but I love to eat it (raw).
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This is a reply to # 749,186yes, good point, ALL Sea Salt , (yes even the celtic or himalayan) will not only have some of these same "toxins" in them, but they will certainly have more. if you did a long thorough analysis of the best quality Sea Salt , i am sure the list of 'toxins' in the parts per million range would be quite long, much longer than the list for pickling lime.
same with dried herbs. - Re: Oh my god ... 1st class desinfor... 2dreem
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This is a reply to # 749,186Jesus Chirst, you should be writing books. I was blown away.
White Shark, you are correct. But its only part of the picture. I did want to point out that it also depends on the form of the mineral. There is organic and inorganic. For instance, flouride used in tooth pastes today is inorganic and highly toxic. But there is naturally occuring organic flouride present in plants that is harmless. That was the flouride used in the original research on the benefits of flouride for your teeth. But then, in order to get rid of toxic waste and make money, they started putting the inorganic flouride in tooth pastes and such and saying that was good for you. When in fact, in that form, it is highly toxic. I
have not done a lot of research on this, but I think its safe to say that the inorganic man-made flouride is toxic at any does. Toxic doesnt necessarily mean kill you or make you sick, it just means that it is harmful to the body in some way, to me anyway. So, form is also very important.
It is possible that pickling lime is in a unnatural form so it would not be good at any dose. But naturally occuring calcium in plants is harmless. Note naturally occuring, it would be impossible really to overdoes on naturally occuring calcium in foods. But then, if you isolate it, it becomes unnatural and it is possible to overdose. You see where Im going with this?
Basically, we should really be getting our nutrients from natural sources, untampered by man. That was the way it was meant to be.
This is all based on my experience and conclusions from doing research.- Re: Oh my god ... 1st class desinfor... trapper/kcmo
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This is a reply to # 749,192the original fluoride studies were based on a town in colorado where the high concentration in the drinking water caused brown brittle teeth(fluorosis) and very few cavities. this is not organic but an inorganic mineral found in the water.
you are right about the forms they are found in. it is good to keep it to a bare minimum, at any rate. no amount of lead or mercury is acceptable.
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