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After having problems with gallstones for more than 10 years I began the liver flush cure in october 2013. I read the book "The Amazing Liver and Gallbladder Flush" by Andreas Moritz and started following his cleansing program. However, after ridding my body from gallstones I began having serious problems with my liver. I am now feeling worse than I've ever felt. Each day is a nightmare and it's like I'm experiencing a never ending liver flush both day and night. The sensation never dissapears and it has lasted for almost 2 months. I am absolutely exhausted, cannot eat or sleep and has lost a lot of weight. Stones have been coming out of my liver since march 3rd and I have lost 7 kg (now weighing only 110lbs at 5'8 ). Just taking a shower feels like an enormous effort. I've been yelled at by my doctor, called hysterical, and that I shoudn't have started the flush. I am so depressed and just don't know what to do.
My doctor cannot help me as blood tests and ultrasound was fine. But I hope there is someone here who can help me. Below I have tried to summarize in detail what has happened during the last months. Perhaps someone has experienced the same?
8 feb: 5th flush.But the gallstones doesn't come out untill the 10th.
10 feb: all my gallstones comes out of my gallblather but now seems "stuck" in the common bile duct. It's very painful and I can't get them out. I try to take epsonsalt 3-4 times in the following days.
25 feb: Took only the last day of the flush to get rid of the gallstones and this was a success. Feeling good.
26 feb: starting to sence a strong pressure on the right side of my liver. It gets worse and worse.
3 mar: Feels like stones from my liver is coming out on their own in a drilling/penetrating manner. During the next week I almost cannot sleep because of the pain. I feel sore and perforated in my liver. When I walk it feels like a fork is piercing my chest.
7 mar: start drinking apple juice. The pain and soreness in my liver gets gradually better.
12 mar: 6th flush. I sence that a lot of tiny marbles/stones comes out of my liver, but when I look in the toilet there's just a layer of white "sand". Could this be calcium?
Since then these stones have been coming out of my liver both day and night and doesn't ever seem to stop. I have tried following Andreas Moritz advices on drinking 4-6 oz of apple juice and chamomile tea every day. This doesn't seem to help and I had to drink more and more apple juice to feel a bit better. Still, I cannot sleep or eat. If I try to eat I get an enormous reaction with high heart rate and a cribbling sensation in my entire body. As if my liver is hyperactive.
15 mar: I'm scared by these symptoms and go to the doctor. Blood samples are fine. Got some sleeping pills and she told me to eat little amount of food often, and minimal fat. At least now I can sleep a few hours at night. Ultrasound is also fine, but I'm still in pain. My feces is almost white.
Now: Things have not changed so much since 15th march. It's hard to explain all the different sensations in my body, but it's a mess. Sensations of "things" moving around, stinging, "something" crawling around in my organs. I often feel my bile duct get so full that I can't sit in a normal manner and have to lay down or move around. I am usually fine in the morning, but as soon as I eat these symptoms return and get worse during the day. I can't be around people anymore.Advertisement
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You can try the sludge removal protocol if you are up to it. Other have tried and some have obtained complete relief but others haven't. There is about 65% chance of getting relief. This is the protocol:
The protocol
The Epsom Salts solution needs to accurate and properly dissolved and it’s a good idea to make them couple of hours in advance with hot water and then let it cool to room temp. It is very bitter but it's no more than a couple of mouthfuls and it goes down quickly. This solution will not only dilate the biliary system it will contract the gallbladder fully.
The timing is also very precise.
You need 4 hours between the last food (which includes sodas, colas, and beverages) and starting the protocol for the stomach to empty and the biliary system to prime itself.
After drinking the first ES, the gallbladder will contract and then fill again. Taking the second ES after 1 hr 10 minutes will contract it again. As you can see you a pumping the gallbladder.
You can prepare the Olive oil and lemon juice but don't attempt to mix it until it’s time to drink it. It will sit in jar with the LJ on the bottom and OO on the top. When you are ready to dink it just give the jar about 3 or 5 violent shakes and then drink it. Don't drink them separately as it alters the timing. The olive oil lines the stomach and slows down the process and you lose the impact.
As soon as you drink the potion lie on you left side so that the stomach and gallbladder are in the ideal position, facing down, using gravity, and you are also comfortable. Its a standard sleeping position knees bent, right knee over left. You will need to lay in this position for 40 minutes.
You can shift the whole protocol if you want but not the timing.
Eating simple low fat meals on the day of the flush. If you have a heavily sludged gallbladder then quite frankly preparation isn't important. I would suggest eating something like porridge for breakfast and pasta or for lunch on the day of the flush.
Normal Timing
4:10 PM Nothing more to eat
6:10 PM Nothing more to drink
8:10 PM Drink ES - 5 teaspoons of Epsom salts in 3½ fluid ounces of water.
9:20 PM Drink ES - 5 teaspoons of Epsom salts in 3½ fluid ounces of water.
10:40 PM Drink OO/LJ - 7 fluid ounces of olive oil and 7 fluid ounces of lemon juice.
Any time after 4:00 AM (or when you awake) you can drink a regular laxative, either 2½ teaspoons of Epsom salts in 6 fluid ounces of water or a proprietary magnesium citrate. Most people don't sleep very well.
2 hours after the laxative you can start drinking and eating when you feel like it but keep the food low in fat. You may feel tightness in the upper abdomen later in the day as the liver struggles to make enough bile but it will pass. It will take a few days for everything to settle down but it is not any worse that you have been putting up with.
PS Your doctor is out of order. Plenty of people run into problems whether by playing sports, eating to much or taking drugs. It is one of the roles of the doctor to pick up the pieces.
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This is a reply to # 2,168,284Telman, this is an interesting variation on the regular flush. How did you come by it? Did you devise it yourself?
The main difference between this and the regular flush appears to be the shorter time intervals (seventy minutes instead of two hours) and the extra large Epsom Salt dosing, plus the extra amounts of OO (Olive-Oil) and juice (seven vs four ounces of each). Also, I notice you specify lemon juice. Is it important to use that rather than grapefruit?
Have you done this yourself and gotten results/relief? Would you recommend it over the standard flush protocol?
The reason I'm asking is because my last flush (two weeks ago; my sixteenth) has left me sicker, which is not my usual response. Usually I am better in most ways after about two weeks.
I was going to do another flush this coming Monday, which would be three weeks after the last, but I am now determined to do it day after tomorrow (Wednesday), because I just feel something is incomplete from the previous flush and I feel toxic.Advertisement
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This is a sludge removal protocol for people who have a good diagnosis for Gallstones and sludge. I devised it from new evidence available from official medical research emanating from the USA mainly.
I have used it myself to remove sludge and other have used it via private messages. It is very draining and it is valuable if the user has already liver-flushed and is confident with one of the regular protocols.
I recommend 4 weeks between flushes unless there are extenuating circumstances.
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This is a reply to # 2,168,284Telman: Thank you for your good advice. I am so glad that someone even bothered to answer me.
I think perhaps there is a minor misunderstanding here and obviously it's because I am from Norway and my english is not so good. When I talk about the common bile duct, I don't mean the duct from the gallbladder, but the bile duct leading into the duodenum. It often feels very full (from liver stones I think) and my sphincter of oddi (under the right side of my ribs) is working all day long. I didn't even know I had such a thing before this torture began to happen to me.
I don't think there's anything wrong with my gallbladder. It's these liverstones that are coming out all day long which is bothering me. Especially after taking sleeping pills and going to bed, I feel large amounts of liver stones coming out. I think this happens because the medicine is making me relaxed, which makes it easier for the body to let them go. But I don't really know?
I just wonder why this is happening to me and how I can make it stop. It's like an ongoing flush and it's very exhausting. Have I taken too much Epsom Salt when I was trying to get my Gallstones out of the bileducts, or have I been drinking too much apple juice? I have experienced that apple juice has a powerful effect on me, and therefore I have stopped drinking it for a week now. However now my liver is starting to feel sore and painful again. So perhaps I should start to drink it again? Should a glass or two a day matter? I don't know what else to do right now.
Your advice to lay down on the left side was very good indeed. Andreas Moritz tells to lay down on the back or on the right side, but for my condition I think you are more correct.
I lay on my left side many times during the day because then the liver stones from my right side (which troubles me the most) travels out and I experience a short relief.
I think I will try your protocol, but shouldn't I drink applejuice for six days before this flush?
However, with this ongoing flush I'm allready experiencing, I think I must ask my doctor for more sleeping medicine first. Just in case this makes me worse than I allready am.
I'm very scared as you can surely understand, from doing liverflushes ever again.- Re: Feeling horrible after liver flu... Telman
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Preparation isn't required. This is a maximum strength protocol to clear the biliary system where stones are suspected.
Gallbladder pain is felt commonly in the rib cage. There is a condition called Sphincter of Oddi Dysfunction (SOD).This causes abdominal pain which located in mid (around the navel) or right-upper (below the ribs) abdomen might. The pain may also be felt in the back and shoulders can last anywhere from several minutes to several hours. It can be a mild, dull throbbing pain, or so severe that the individual is incapacitated. However, this condition usually effects people who have had the gallbladder removed.
The problem is that so many conditions of the digestive system cause pain in the same area and self diagnosis by internet research doesn't help.
When does the pain occur? and how long after eating. [Eg. 4:00 PM 3 hours after lunch] If it is a spasm of the sphincter it may respond to anti-spasmodic drug such as alverine citrate.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,168,682When you say this is a protocol to clear the bilary system, does this mean only the gallbladder or does it also include the biles in the liver? Can I clear my liver of these travelling stones that I experience?
You seem to have a lot of knowledge about this. If you should make a guess, what do you think caused these my problems in the first place? I just don't know what I have done wrong.
The "crawling" sensation in my liver and bile duct usually occours only about 15 minutes after I eat breakfast. By the following meals of the day I can feel it allready while I'm eating. If I then sit for too long after eating, my bile duct get so full and the right side of my liver hurt so much that I have to move around. Too avoid feeling too much pain I lay down on my left side. I switch sides and sence things (liverstones) start traveling down to my bile duct leading to the spinchter of oddi. This is why I don't think this is a SOD.
By the way, my feces is now brown again. Tomorrow I will try to avoid any food that contains fat.- Re: Feeling horrible after liver flu... Telman
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It clears the gallbladder, liver and bile ducts.
The pain you have 15 minutes after eating is a sign that it is the gallbladder or bile duct.
I agree; it doesn't sound like SOD.
You haven't done anything wrong. Your gallbladder was congested because of lifestyle, changes in hormone levels, illness, infection, etc. The liver-flush has made the stones mobile and they are working their way out of the gallbladder and common bile ducts. Pale stools indicate that the common bile duct was blocked.
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Thank you for your good information.
However I think I need to wait before I do this flush. Right now I'm like a shivering leaf in the wind and I have no energy left. I will try this nonfat diet first and see if this can stop this torture.
I'm sure I can't be the only one in the world experiencing this, but I have searched the internet and found no example like my condition. I think the people experiencing this feel so sick and exhausted that they have no energy to write about it. I myself need my daughter to write these messages for me.
But again, thank you so much! I will try your protocol if I don't feel any improvement. - Re: Feeling horrible after liver flu... Randih
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This is a reply to # 2,168,935Hi Telman
I hope you are still here, because now I need some more help and information from you.
This non-fat diet I was trying didn't help at all. It just made me loose more weight and made me feel more exhausted than ever before.
I've learned that the liver needs fat to clean itself, so I started to add some flaxseedoil, walnuts and almonds to my diet. This made me feel stronger.
The good news is that I've felt a minor improvement for the last two days.The travelling stones doesn't feel so hard anymore (well some does), but it's more like big lumps, small soft "dotts" and foam. They have also lost their speed and doesn't travel as fast as before.
The evenings and nights are however the worst time of the day, so I still need to take sleepingpills. I know it's not healthy but I don't have a choice yet.
For the first time for 2 months now I have hope.
I'm also trying to eat small portions of normal food and it doesn't seem to do me any harm. I need to try to build up my energy and strength.
I am scared to do liverflushes again, but Andreas Morits says that we must do it until all the stones are gone. My question to you is - if I one day should dare to do this liver- and gallbladder flush again and should experience the same torture, how soon after can I use your sludge removal protocol?
I also have a question about the teaspoons of epsom salt. Should they be heaped teaspoons or flat?
My biggest problem is however to find out what fluid ounces mean. I tried to translate it in google and the result was 1 fluid ounces = 1 deciliter? I don't have a chance to drink this large amount (1,4 liter?) of oliveoil and lemon juice.
In Norway we use 1 liter(l) = 10 deciliter (dl) = 1000 mililiter(ml). Is fluid ounces the same as oz? Andreas Moritz translate that 32 oz = 1 liter, 24 US fluid oz = 710ml (7,10dl) and 6 oz = 180ml (1,8dl) = a full glass. Please help me with this.
I have been drinking 4-6 oz (3/4 glass) of apple juice every morning the last week (as recommended by A. Moritz). Should I stop drinking this before I use your protocol, and if, for how long time in advance? Shouldn't I clean my colon before I use your protocol?
If you can answer all my questions I will be grateful to you for the rest of my life! p.s Where can I find your blog?Advertisement
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Fluid Ounce = 29.6 ml or .125 cup
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P.S. You really must try his sludge removal. I've tried it before and it works like wonder. - Re: Feeling horrible after liver flu... Telman
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This is a reply to # 2,170,784You should wait as long as possible to carry out a follow-up Sludge Removal Protocol. Enough time to re-hydrate your body. I suggest that 4 days would be the minimum time but a week would be better and two weeks ideal.
Teaspoons of Epson salts are level or 5 grams.
One United States (US) fluid ounce = 30 mL
Therefore, 10 US fluid ounces = 300mL
Here is a link to a conversion table:
http://www.metric-conversions.org/volume/us-ounces-to-milliliters-table.htm
You do not need to stop drinking apple juice.
You do not need to clean your colon.
My blog can be found here:
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Thank you (takk) so much for this very useful information! It is wonderful knowledge for me and I will try this protocol if my problems are not gone in about a week (I am expecting guests you see). I am really greatful to you. You are the best!!
Takk! Takk!! - Re: Feeling horrible after liver flu... Randih
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Telman, I tried your Sludge Removal Protocol last week but it didn't help much. I feel pretty much the same as before. I did have a sensation of something "opening up" the day after. I felt a short relief but a day later the pain and problems came back again.
I actually feel my liver struggling and stretching and trying to get rid of these stones and its very unpleasant.
Do all people taking these flushes experience the same symptoms as me?
(I am using Andreas Moritz s Liver Flush protocol because I can't find the remedies required for other types of flushes here in Norway).
Do you think I can flush more often than just once every 4th week?- Re: Feeling horrible after liver flu... Telman
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This is a reply to # 2,177,805People biliary problems are different and their internal organs are different. Therefore, although a core of people get a similar result a proportion are different.
If your stools are brown then the common bile isn't blocked.
If your stools are light coloured, your urine dark and your skin itches you may have an obstructed common bile duct.
If you stools have a orange tinge the gallbladder bile duct or gallbladder neck may be blocked.
Liver and gallbladder pain is felt between the navel and breast bone on thee right side and also on the back along the shoulder blade. So are many stomach problems including duodenal ulcers.
If the pain is around the navel this indicates the small intestines.
There is the possibility that a gallstone is stuck in your bowel but you would also get indigestion, reflux and slow stomach emptying.
I can understand that you want to flush to relieve the pain but it can take 3 to 4 days to recover from a difficult flush. You should leave a minimum of a week between emergency flushes.
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Thank you Telman.
I have a thousand things to ask you about but I will try to limit it.
I read your article about Upper Right Abdominal Pain on your blog. Now I am scared because I think this is what troubles me. But in addition to what you describe, I also feel liverstones coming out, especially when lying on my left side before I go to sleep.
You mention that the liver and gallbladder pain is felt between the navel and breast bone on the right side, but I feel that everything that happens in the liver causes discomfort in the chest region - especially on my right side. I thought everybody felt it this way? Or not?
In the liver area I just feel tender.
In your article you mention that graded exercise that gradually stretches and conditions the ligaments, could help. What kind of excersises would you recommend?
(My stools are brown and I have no gallbladder pain).- Stretches for liver/gallbladder pain Telman
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This is a reply to # 2,181,579If you search for "liver meridian stretch" or "gallbladder median stretch" from a search engine it will identify pages with yoga poses and some youtube pages that will demonstrate some useful exercises.
In respects of pain/ discomfort profiles they can be very individual so that two people with a similar problem can feel the pain refereed to different parts of the body. Although more generally there is a pattern. The thing is that it is very difficult for doctors and alternative health providers to give a diagnosis based on pain profiles.- Re: Feeling horrible after liver flu... Randih
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Thank you. I found some exercises that I will try now.
I hope you don't mind, but I have a few more questions.
On your blog I read that you followed the Huldra Clark protocol. I wish I could do it too but I don't have that zapping thing.
I also saw that you went through 10 flushes in about 3 months. I have just done 7 flushes and 2 emergency flushes (one to get rid of the Gallstones that were stuck in my bileduct, the other one was your sludge removal protocol) in 10 months.
I did one flush now the 7th june. It was like hell. Drinking applejuice for six days was very bad for me. The 5th and 6th day I almost went berserk because I felt there was stones coming out all day long and I had to lay down continously. At the end there were not enough bile in the liver for the actual flush with the OL in the evening. I could not sleep and my liver felt dry and sore.
Do you think I could drink applejuice for 3-4 days and then follow up with your Sludge Removal Protocol? Shouldn't that be a real/proper liverflush equal with any other flush?
Should I also take milk thistle?
And finally, do you think I should stop these liver flushes? Should I rather see my doctor?Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 2,181,860Reading through your first post again which has a full history you have been to your doctor already and he couldn't help because your initial examination doesn't show up anything.
The burning sensation and pain when you move indicate very strongly that you had/have infection. Long term low level infection congest the liver and it is then difficult to get sufficient bile to push out the stones.
That is possibly a reason why people have to do several, 7 or more before the majority of stones come out. I didn't get the "mother-lode" until flush 11.
It is debateable if preparation with apple juice will be relevant if you have liver congestion. My one concern is that you say your stools are brown and this indicates that bile is flowing. If there is a slight orange or the brown is more cardboard than mahogany it can indicate; low bile salt, bile flow obstruction or liver/gallbladder disease. However your doctors given you a blood test to rule out a serious problem. The other courses of action are to liver cleanse and increase fibre intake. Especially soluble fibre.
Another approach is to attempt to decongest the liver by eating plenty of beets (including beetroot powder), radish, cabbage, turmeric. You can also take Chinese bitters for 3 weeks if you can get them. After 3 weeks you can liver-flush. Then repeat the cycle or if the flush is successful move on to prepping with Gold Coin Grass for 3 weeks. You can also prep with Chinese Bitters for 3 weeks then Gold Coin Grass for 3 weeks then flush.
If you want to use the sludge removal protocol it is very dependant upon you being able to flush successfully with the regular methods otherwise its just going to move any infection around.
Milk Thistle wont help until your liver pathway is decongested and clear because it assist the liver to heal itself which it can't do if it is bunged-up.- Re: Feeling horrible after liver flu... Randih
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Thank you for your good advice.
As I suspected they do not sell these things in Norway. I have ordered beetroot powder from England and Chinese bitters and Gold Coin Grass from Germany. I hope I will get these things through the Customs, because they are very strict in Norway. If I get them and when, I do not know. I have bought turmeric, beetjuice and something called Bitterstern yesterday.
What do you mean with infection? Do you mean the liver or gallbladder or the body in general? I have now catched a cold. I have wounds on my mouth (herpes) and feeling bad.
My stools are often quite lightbrown. I thought it was because I eat bananas. When I have a low apetite, it is just easier to eat bananas. After eating beetroot, cabbage, raddish and turmeric yesterday, today my stools float in the toilet.
I also take flaxseed. I am scared of the poisons the liverstones inhibit, and think they are one reason why I am feeling so bad, and I do not like to think about the poisons going back to my liver again. I think flaxseeds make them pass more quick through my bowel.
The reason why I like your sludge removal protocol is because I do not have to clean my bowel first. I am feeling so weak and this bowelcleaning before and after, wears me out. It was also very easy to use and it opened up something that had troubled me a lot. I think it was this 2 cm big green thing I saw in the toilet.
So what shall I do! I try to exercise and have begun with acupuncture. I will try to eat turmeric, beets, radish and cabbage. I just have to wait now and hope I will get this things I have ordered.
However, what shall I do if I do not get these things? Of course you do not have to answer this question. I am just so grateful that you give me all these good advices.Advertisement
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