Potassium 
amy79
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Here is an article about potassium, I think the first paragraph is the most important, unstable blood sugars is what I think is keeping most people in 4 lows for longer than necessary. If your blood Sugar gets low then the adrenals have to produce adrenalin to keep the body going. The worst hypoglycaemia can be fixed in a few days with some potassium, I know this from experience.
http://actualcures.com/weight-loss-diet-important-nutrients-potassium-magnesi...
- Re: Potassium MCW
11 y
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This is a reply to # 2,064,086Thank you for sharing, interesting read.
I spoke with my practitioner and she advised to continue with the limcomin and then incorporate the megapan next as initially told... the megapan has potassium in it. She said we will go from there, but to not supplement with potassium for the time being until I have tried this as she said it is easier to pull and push with antagonists and synergists instead of replacement therapy because giving someone minerals because it is low could have the opposite effect, depending on the biochemical picture.
But I don't think taking solely potassium is ruled out for future options. If I continue to experience the heart issues and all then I will check back in and consider supplementing with potassium on it's own with my other supplements.
Appreciate your help :)
- Re: Potassium gatorkea
11 y
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This is a reply to # 2,064,086I agree with that article, but it does not take into account that someone with 4 lows will have too much sodium pushed out by consuming potassium.
- Re: Potassium Marie64
11 y
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This is a reply to # 2,064,193Hi ,
Thanks for shairing. I am on potassium supplements...I need to adjust daily if I take 1 or 2 99 mg daily. If I over do on the potassium I feel just as bad as if I did not get enough. I am good in the morning to take 1 but in the afternoon if I know I ate or will be eating something containing high potsssium I avoid the second supplement.
The only time I will loose my sodium is if I over do on the potassium...before I would loose it for no reason other then low aldesterone.
Hope this info helps to others..I know of a lady put on to much potassium and it did drive her sodium down and she needed to go to the ER. (when she never had issues with sodium loss before). You do need to watch and listen to your body.
Marie
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- Re: Potassium gatorkea
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- Re: Potassium Marie64
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,064,203Hi gatorkea,
THrough a blood test and or urine test.
I never needed to do one, I just kept loosing my sodium and ending up in the hospital this is when I was tested for Addison's disease and dignosed with it. DR's knew then I had low aldesterone how my sodium reading were from blood work.
I just recently stopped loosing my sodium I am with no support such as meds or even salt. I rid my body of huge amonuts of aluminum in NOv/Dec 2012. Since then no issues with sodium loss. But I do have to becareful with to much potassium supplements. I can now eat foods high in potassium now, which I was not able to do before.
Here is a site that talks about testing for low aldesterone:
http://labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/aldosterone/tab/test
Marie
- Re: Potassium Marie64
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- Re: Potassium MCW
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This is a reply to # 2,064,195Hi Marie,
Were you taking Megapan which has potassium in it and Limcomin? How did you do on these supplements? Did you find it helped to raise both your sodium and potassium? Or what did you find help to raise your NA/K ratio and what was it on our hair test?
Why did you decide to take potassium supplements on their own? Was the other supplements not working for you?
I ask because I now in three lows, came out of four lows but was never given any supplements to work on my NA.K ratio while in four lows, which is what I am working on now. I have been experiencing the potassium deficiency symptoms the past 8 months on the NB program and also the sodium symptoms as I am still at a ratio of 2:1. I am wondering if supplementing with Potassium and taking the prescription for balancing your sodium levels was the best route for you or did the Limcomin and Megapan that has potassium in it also help?
I have been on the limcomin for a week and noticed that I am more sleepy but less anxious, my heart pains are less frequent though, but foggy brain is more apparent and I am wondering if this is because I am working on increasing my sodium now but haven't worked on increasing my potassium via the megapan supplements which I am starting today so I am a little out of balance?
Thanks so much! :)
- Re: Potassium Marie64
11 y
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This is a reply to # 2,064,265HI MWC, I am now in the 4 lows, I did raise my ratio at one point on NB with Larry WIlson Protocol. I have to find my paper work to answer your ?'s Will look and tell you how I did it.
I do beleive I took Limcomin but I did not take it for long, I never felt good on it, I would get this weird head ache that the side of my head (skull) was actually hurting more then anything...I never experieced this before. I was on Megapan but I beleive at that time I was only able to handle 1 at the time my sodium raised. Megapan was pretty stimulating for me if I took more then 1.
For the first year the only thing that change in supplements was adding limcomin in around 8-9 months in (if I remember correctly).
I am working with a new practitioner who works through(TEI) RIck Malter. I called him one day when I felt so weak in the body and head and he suggest trying potassium and I did so and have no issues as long as I do not over do on the potassium.
I am going to look at my results and notes to see it I can give you more of an accurate answer.
I do know at one point I could not handle to much potassium not even food wise...but since dumping the aluminum I can handle eating potassium foods, I jsut have to watch and listen to my body and not over do with potassium supplements.
Marie
- Re: Potassium Marie64
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This is a reply to # 2,064,298Hi MWC,
When I firsted started the program I was off the charts with Cal204, Mag was right on, sodium at 5, and potastium at 1.
NA/k was 5.00. I was on Megapan was to take 1/1/0. I could neverr get over 2 aday when recommeded to do so.,,,tough time with over stimulation. Kelp 1/1/1. Zinc 1/1/2. Thyro-complex 1/1/1. GB3 1/1/1/ to tolerance. Paramin 2/2/2 .
Fish oil 1/1/1. Vitamin D3 5000 mg. Renamide 1/1/1. Veggies Easy 1/1/1.
2nd hair test:
CAl 141 down , MAg, 5.0 ***(started to drop), sodium 6.0 up a little, Potasium 1.0 same .
On same supplements.
3 rd hair analysis:
CAl 50 down, mag 2 really down, Sodium 2 really down/potasium 1 same.
Same supplements/ except for addind in limcomin...which I could not handle to much do to the head aches...This was 6-7 months in from starting NB.
4 th hair analysis :
Cal 69, mag 2, sodium 19, potsium 4
On all the same except the zinc and limconin . Stopped the limcomin after not being able to tolerate pain and in sted of zinc put on Endo-Pan.
I took a 6 months break,,,fullishly, I felt so I good I felt 95% healed...never really realizing I need to get more metals out or I will get ill feeling again.
**** The mag kept dropping, MY new practioner I am working with through TEi have found that Vitamin D 3 drives the magesium down.
Hope this info helps you.
When I went back for a hair analysis this is when I am in the 4 lows and still am as far as I know...will be getting re tested end of month.
Marie
- Re: Potassium MCW
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This is a reply to # 2,064,332Hi Marie,
Wow, thank you so much for all of this information and for sharing and taking the time.
It seems as though all of your levels dropped before they got better. I wonder what caused the sodium to go from a 6 to a 2 from your 2nd to 3rd test as you were taking the same supplements.
Interesting though that when you added the limcomin on third hair test that the sodium and potassium went up remarkably. Do you think this is what helped raise your sodium and potassium because that is quite a dramatic jump? Were you only on the limcomin between the 3rd to the 4th hair test?
I didn't do well on the zinc, took it for a week and it lowered by sodium tremendously and it took me a week to recover. They say zinc does this and since I was taking anything to counterbalance it lowering my sodium it was a no no for my system.
I am happy to hear you felt better, but sorry to hear you are back in the four lows pattern. I am sending you well wishes and positivity that the retest coming up will show a big improvement :-) Fingers crossed for you.
Warm Regards,
M
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This is a reply to # 2,064,298Hi Marie,
You are so sweet, thank you for your response.
Interesting about the headaches, I wonder what it was in the Limcomin that could have caused the skull pain. I had something slightly similar the first day i took it, but it subsided quite quickly. Good that it raised your sodium levels at least.
I just started the megapan yesterday. I seem to be detoxing of sorts from taking the limcomin this past week and also 1/3 megapan supplement yesterday... my body has always been very reactive to supplements. I am taking the day off today.
I am concerned that I was lowering the potassium levels as limcomin only raises sodium and I wasn't incorporating the Megapan which has potassium in it yet.
I am now wondering if I should supplement with a very small dose of potassium and see if this helps? What supplement works for you?
I know you had mentioned in another post that you used to get the heart pains, did these subside when you supplemented with potassium?
Were you in a four lows when you were taking the limcomin and megapan? Have you been out of the four lows?
Why did you chose a supplement versus eating potassium rich foods?
Sorry for all of the questions, I am just trying to navigate through what I should do. Thank you so much for your help!!!! :)
M
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- Re: Potassium gatorkea
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- Re: Potassium amy79
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MoreThis is a reply to # 2,064,193Gatorkea, that is not necessarily true at all. I am 4 lows with sodium of 3 and I take potassium and only eat foods that are potassium dominant. Some people are having potassium pushed out of the cells, probably due to the body prioritising low sodium level over low potassium.
My point is there are a lot of people doing nb who have blood Sugar issues no matter what they eat and also limcomin seems to be the supplement that gives people the most trouble. Potassium is going to help with these things.
- Re: Potassium MCW
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This is a reply to # 2,064,416Hi Amy,
In doing more research I think this is what happened to me this past week when I added in the limcomin then added in the megapan 1/3 dose yesterday. I am being told to take the day off today. But, I think because the limcomin only raises sodium and I am not taking any other supplements that raises potassium (except megapan yesterday) I think it was working on raising my sodium but dropping my potassium further.
What were your symtoms when you experienced this if you don't mind me asking?
What supplements do you take for the potassium and dosage etc.? Do you work with Dr. Wilson and was this advised by him after what you experienced or how did you learn to supplement and what the right dosage was?
Thanks so much for your help! I was also just advised about something that can help raise sodium/potassium and was was going to post in a separate feed.
Thanks :)
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- Re: Potassium INTi
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This is a reply to # 2,064,416I am fascinated by the whole "potassium" issue been discussed here, as this was was one of my initial queries about not having any supplements that replace my low potassium levels. I have both low sodium and low potassium - always have, even in blood serum tests.
I found that despite being told not to eat bananas - i ate them and felt pretty good on them. I can understand, about not pushing sodium out of your body by adding potassium - think all of NB supplementation is a balancing game anyway. But wouldn't mind trying some potassium, just to see how i feel.
Like you Amy, think the fact that I still get hypoglycemic episodes coming back to haunt me, despite all the sodium and calcium supplements is telling me something is still not right in the world of my body chemistry - despite avoiding all GI foods. I still get heart palpitations after eating and have been wondering, what's missing.
So Amy if you could elaborate as to what you are doing to balance out those missing potassium levels that would be most useful so i can go and investigate. I am sure my NB practitioner will be against it and so will have to go it alone on this one.- Re: Potassium amy79
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This is a reply to # 2,064,735Hi Inti
I changed practitioners and got sbf formula added to my 4 lows program. It contains potassium.
If you are having heart palpitations then that is potassium deficiency.
Todd is really useless, last year I was having heart palpitations as a new symptom and he was just like well that's just part of the program. Ridiculous.- Re: Potassium INTi
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This is a reply to # 2,064,745I agree about Todd, so that's why I come here for my feedback on issues. Mainly doing it alone really, except for the supplements which I get Todd to send to me. Are you still with Todd, or have you been able to find new practitioner?, if so who?
I've had adrenal issues for years and heart palpitations.
They are most evident after a meal, sometimes i would get dizzy after eating a meal, as though the food being dumped into my stomach causes my electrolytes to haywire. I've been told it's thyroid but as I've had this issue since forever (even before thyroid dysfunction), i say it's safe to say that I think it's more of an electrolyte or neurological issue.
Thanks for your advice on supplements your taking. If i can't get Todd to send it to me, who would you recommend I approach next?- as living in Australia makes it a bit tricky working out who to approach internationally.
Cheers
Inti- Re: Potassium amy79
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This is a reply to # 2,064,818I switched to Theresa Vernon, she is based in California. She is extremely knowledgeable, I have been going from strength to strength since doing her version of the program. The other thing is she can really explain the results to you properly, you can tell she understands what she is talking about and not just following some prescription.
As for getting hold of some sbf i just ordered mine off Todd's website, he's making money off you so he's not going to say no.- Re: Potassium INTi
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This is a reply to # 2,065,006Amy, Don't think I've asked you this before, but are you stationed in Australia or in the USA or Candada? Just wondering about getting supplements sent over here from the States. Will be changing practitioners as I think my insulin issue is still unstable enough to require further investigation, though I'm still hoping this is a phase that will improve.
Interesting...like I said Potassium issue really intrigues me, on my ARL chart, my sodium (6.0)levels are lower than my potassium (4.0) and my ratio is 1.50. Is this similar to yours prior to going on NB supplementation? or SBF?
I'm on a lot of Limcomin (5 a day) and Paramin (6 a day). So wondering if I am losing Potassium with all that magnesium and Zinc. - i do notice that after a period on these high doses I inevitably do get an increase in my appetite and my hypoglycemia issues seem to return.
Also wondering, do you have any issues with thyroid dysfunction? - just asking as SBF has Thymus and Parathyroid glandular in it and wondering if this has an impact also on metabolism. I know when I was on thyroid meds my insulin and heart palps temporarily disappeared - well until my adrenals gave in anyway and then i had worse heart palps! But not sure parathyroid would affect that, but i know it has impact on calcium.
Thanks for your intriguing insight into the Potassium issue. Needs a definite further look investigation by those on the NB program who have heart palps and insulin/glucose issues.
- Re: Potassium amy79
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This is a reply to # 2,065,109I am in Sydney, Theresa Vernon has no problems sending supplements to Australia so that is a non issue if going with a US practitioner.
If your potassium is higher than the sodium on the arl chart that indicates potassium loss. There is a paragraph in your report under the na/k section that talks about this. That will be why the lab has recommended sbf for you.
I have no thyroid issues that have been picked up by a doctor, none of the glandulars in sbf have had a bad effect on me.- Re: Potassium INTi
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This is a reply to # 2,065,129Thanks for answering Amy. Unfortunately, the lab didn't recommend SBF for me at this stage. [Sorry correction, ARL DID prescribe SBF, practitioner (our friend Todd)didn't!!!] But considering taking it, after reading your posts and noticing that my potassium level is indeed higher than my sodium levels in my ARL chart.
I might try ordering the SBF through Todd for now and then see about changing practitioners. AT the moment I am getting a bit of a buzz out of Limcomin and Paramin alone. But I've noticed that it is probably because I've been eating bananas most days! And Chlorophyll also, which has quite a bit of potassium in it. When I stopped taking both, the reaction from Limcomin and Paramin seemed to cause the opposite effect (fatigue, extreme anxiety), I only noticed this when i took a break and the only thing different on coming back to the Limcomin and Paramin was the no bananas and Chlorophyll this time round.
Once I read your post about potassium, i ran over to the kitchen and started on both Chlorophyll and bananas again, two days later and the Limcomin and Paramin suddenly seem to be kicking in again nicely, giving me a bit of a buzz, instead of a killer fatigue or anxiety. It feels as though the Limcomin and Paramin are getting the extra help they need to work properly. Ok so i'll experiment a bit further with this lovely theory and see about trying the SBF. Think you might be onto something here! Besides it doesn't hurt to try!
Tx so much for that Amy! And good to hear distance is not a problem for us in Australia - shame the Aussie dollar has just fallen though :(
- Re: Potassium INTi
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This is a reply to # 2,065,129Just one other question, on reading about SBF it says it's also for fast oxidizers. I'm slow oxdizer apparently (though i have my doubts), are you a fast oxidizer or slow? and if you are slow oxidizer, did you find it an issue?
It's kinda strange that ARL would recommend SBF for slow oxidizers, if only for the potassium content, I mean why didn't they just offer a separate potassium supplement like they do with Magnesium..maybe it's not such a big deal for slow oxidizers after all, probably more important to have that potassium!- Re: Potassium MCW
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This is a reply to # 2,065,152Hi Inti,
I spoke with my pratitioner about the symptoms and crash I was having when I incoporated the Limcomin. The limcomin raises sodium, but doesn't raise potassium. Also, calcium lowers potassium (which is in the paramin).
I am working with Eileen Durfee, she has been absolutely amazing so far, she has basically held my hand through this process and I just switched to her two weeks ago. I send her dail updates via text, email and she always calls also and vice versa. When I was having all of these symptoms with the limcomin she immedietely pulled together a few other options for me, and she is sending me a few free samples of different supplements to see which one works so I don't have to buy them and lose money that way... which is a huge plus because I have so many supplements in my cupboard now some of which are expiring soon that I have no use for at the moment. She also works directly with Dr. Wilson. I recommend her.
I asked her about SBF and she said that would not help me at the moment and also mentioned that it is for fast oxidizers and I am a slow oxidizer so I didn't want to risk it.
For now, I am holding off on incoporating the limcomin and instead replacing this with trying GH3 and Molybdenum which both increase your sodium levels. I have already tried Molybdenum, it also lowers copper and I had no issues with it before. To raise the potassium, I am now going to try Spartan MK all it is is Potassium and Magnesium together. I am going to continue with my Paramin and GB3 and Taurine and coq10 and gradually add in Kelp, and Megapan and eventually limcomin... although, if the above works I may not do that.
I would maybe check with Todd and see if this is something that could work for you since you too are having some of the symptoms I have experienced. I start this new protocol tomorrow and will be posting how it goes, I will be retesting in 2 months from now so I will be interested to see if my NA/K move, currently it is at a 2:1.
Hope this helps! Cheers :)- Re: Potassium INTi
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This is a reply to # 2,065,341Thanks MCM
But i've gone ahead and ordered the SBF - hoping Todd will approve without giving me a lecture. Either way, I'm up for the trial. If i find it too strong, I'll try your Spartan MK instead, it sounds interesting also - the magnesium and potassium without the added ingredients in SBF
But I agree with Amy, if ARL labs have recommended I take the SBF as part of my list of supplements despite being diagnosed as a slow oxidizer than it must be ok. If not, no harm done, I'll just stop it. Fingers crossed!- Re: Potassium MCW
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This is a reply to # 2,065,352here is some info on Spartan MK, hoping it will help my heart symptoms and raise my ratio at the same time :)
Pulled from Dr. wilson site
If you are having low energy or heart symptoms and want to take magnesium, use a chelated magnesium, magnesium citrate or magnesium aspartate. An excellent product for those with chronic heart problems is potassium and magnesium aspartate, sold as Spartan MK by Endomet Labs, and sold under other names by other supplement companies. The usual dosage is three to six tablets daily.
Other info from endomet labs:
specially formulated product to increase energy production within the body cells. the combintation of Mag and Pot was originally developed to prevent fatigue in soldiers stationed in the sahara desert. contains pot and mag, the main intracellular minerals bound to aspartic acid an excellent mineral transporter. as a result, the minerals are effectively transported inside the cells where they facilitate numerous enzymes in the glycolysis and Krebs energy cycle.
Hope this helps! I'd be interested to learn how the SBF goes, I am surprised it was on your ARL list if you are a slow oxidixer?
- Re: Potassium INTi
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This is a reply to # 2,065,361I know, i'm confused myself...as to how SBF works then for slow oxidizers. But I suspect I am not completely a slow oxidizer, more of a mix of both.
I've just looked on my practitioners website, he doesn't offer the Spartan K so ordering it from overseas is going to be a costly bummer. I'm thinking I might order it once i switch practitioners, though not sure when i can afford to that either at this stage. The supplements have been a big burden on the pocket, especially when one is not working.
So you are not on Spartan K yet?- Re: Potassium MCW
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This is a reply to # 2,065,365Not on it yet, should be here tomorrow and I will be starting it then. I will keep you updated on how it goes :)
Have you tried wellness shopping online, that is who my practitioner is linked too, and where I purchase my supplements. Maybe they ship internationally? :)
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This is a reply to # 2,064,735Hi INti,
Do you mind me asking what your sodium, potassium, mag and calcium levels are?
Also, aside from the heart palpatations do you get any other heart symptoms?
Thanks so much,
M- Re: Potassium INTi
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This is a reply to # 2,064,746My levels are: Sodium 6.0, Potassium 4.0, ratio 8.25 (ideal 4.00) that's 206% of ideal. Not sure if my levels are severe or not, compared to others. But either way, they are low. But according to serum tests they have always been low side of normal.
Symptoms:
I mainly get heart palpitations after eating or for no reason at all at times. I used to get them much more frequent and stronger a year ago, but then it was also due to an overactive thyroid function.
I also have low blood pressure, but only evident when i do the sitting and standing up and sitting down again test (Ragland's blood pressure test) - shows weak adrenal function. I also have bouts of dry skin, black heads, dry lips, diarrhea, constant urination (kidney dysfunction) numbness in the fingers, and at times the whole arm/s and cramping in my ankles and knees and overall muscle weakness and oh yes let's not forget bouts of feeling nausea and insulin resistance which comes some days and goes away other days. I will also get suddenly dizzy and followed by a sense of disorientation and then severe fatigue. Unfortunately, some of these symptoms can also be attributed to thyroid function and hormones in general so it's very hard to decipher what's causing what. But the potassium issue is something that interests me.
- Re: Potassium MCW
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This is a reply to # 2,064,815Hi INti,
thanks for your response :)
Sounds like a lot of your symptoms I too have had, minus the diarrhea and stomach ones. Instead mine seems to be more the chest and heart pains. I too, am curious about the potassium and have contacted my practitioner about it after having taking limcomin for a week with a complete crash for 3 days and I believe this was due to it raising my sodium but not my potassium causing an array of symptoms many of which I haven't been able to fully rid of the past 8 months, but had gotten worse not better from this... i.e. hypoglycemia, brain fog, fatigue.
Are you taking anything currently to raise your potassium or any potassium rich foods? I ate a banana and an orange and a yam yesterday, the banana and orange I haven't eaten the entire program and I am noticing that some of my symptoms from the past three days of being essentially house bound have already subsided a little... not sure if there is a link here.
I am also connecting with TEI to get there side of things to see if they have a different protocol and think that all of these remaining symptoms that haven't seemed to have gone away the past 8 months, particularly the heart symptoms if they are related to not consuming or supplementing with potassium. It is difficult though as my sodium is still low too.
I will keep you updated if you would like. :)
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