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Hey, Dushan, don't know if you saw this or not.
an aside~ I can show you plenty of personal attacks against me by this Hverdagurdy dude. He attacks first, and he is relentless. He has mounted a campaign against the whole of CZ for a good long time now. I have seen him kill traffic on many forums. Are you going to let him take down the site? Because that is what he is doing, poster by poster, forum by forum. Are you going to let him continue to run rough-shod over CZ?
I have huge respect that you support free speech here on CZ, but this dude's rights should have been consigned to his forum only a long time ago. I do not know of another forum owner that attempts to bully CZ the way that he does.
Watcha gonna do?
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Very well said Wombat! I agree 100%!
Its his M.O. to attack first and then claim to be the victim. He is methodical at discrediting those who disagree with him, and in his eyes, to disagree with him is to attack him.
I can't believe his nerve, threatening to sue you. And the fact that he is more guilty than anyone on CZ of the things he is threatening to sue over is laughable.
I would hope that his threat would prove to you once and for all that he is a blight on CZ and the longer he is allowed to continue with his games the worse it is for this very important website.
I'm all for freedom of speech but those of us who have watched him attack others for simply disagreeing with him know that to speak freely is the same as going to war.
It is my opinion that a total IP ban would be the best. Please Webmaster, do something about this, stop him, please.
It's the same vicious circle over & over again. Someone disagrees with him, and he attacks them (generally with some type of degrading comment or lie about their level of knowledge, charcter or intent). If that person has the courage to reply and defend themselves (Lord help them!) they've handed him a stage and megaphone! And he will continue repeating the lies or creating new ones (cached 'forever' on the net) while claiming he is a victim of the frustration he created, until the person gives up. First one lie/attack, then the person attempts to set the record straight...then 5 lies...then the person tries to correct those lies, then 10 more. The evidence of that basic scenario is all over CureZone.
No one should have to take their time and/or worry about defending themselves against malicious lies and 'cached slander' simply for disagreeing with another poster. For example, my posting history in the LF Debate forum clearly shows I've never attacked him personally, yet there are currently several lies in print about me or what I believe...and they are defaming & slanderous lies.
And now he's threatening you, and other posters with LEGAL ACTION!? For breaking the TOS when he's the biggest offender? I recall you once said something like: in the history of CZ, he's been banned from more forums, and you've had more complaints about him .than any other.
There are no other forum owners (and very few posters) that trample all over other people's rights while sharing their knowledge, beliefs or opinions.
I agree 100% with Wombat - I respect your support of free speech, but with rights come responsibility...the responsibility to stay within the boundaries of the TOS. Forum owners that cannot do that outside their own forum should either be banned from CureZone or curtailed to their own forums.
What is going to be done about this? Since our own rights of free speech are prevented (by knowing if we speak words of disagreement, we'll be slandered), I believe we have a right to know.
Unyquity
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I have to say--half of the examples you cite here, as much as they must have been unpleasant to read, I don't think they were out of bounds.
LOL!!! When did I ever say the common bile duct? I am really surprised that someone who at least makes an attempt to post evidence was not smart enough t realize that there is more than one duct involved! Luckily there are other people who know how to do research and realize that there are more than one duct
Commenting on the other person's inteligence (when debating on the internet) is one of those things that, try as we might, is never going to be eliminated. We're humans and it's just endemic to the process.
(Second in line behind that is pointing out that someone contradicted themself. That's not personal. If you want to make it somewhat personal you call them a hypocrite. (I say "somewhat" personal b/c even if you use that word you probably mean "with respect to the case you are making," as opposed to a hypocrite in your real/personal life.) If you go so far as to say they "have no integrity," most people would call that a personal attack. Though again, I could imagine a scenario where someone uses that phrase but means it "with respect to the case you are making.")
Maybe if they actually research the subject then they will also realize why the study posted by "U" was really irrelevant. Of course she would have known that if she understood what she was reading in the first place and realized that there are more ducts than just the common bile duct.
Called something "irrelevant." Questioned whether she "understood" what she was reading.... Offensive?
The fact is that all anyone has to do is to read through these threads to see you you and "U" have been making things up as you go along in a desperate attempt to try and win a debate you cannot win since you clearly cannot present even one piece of credible evidence to counter the evidence I already presented.
I don't think accusing someone of making things up is particularly vicious.
I did not even POST in the thread above
That's why he said "these threads."
I think Hv feels outnumbered in these debates like he's taking on a pack of wolves, and ascribes qualities to "the gang" as it gangs up on him.
Read my response to that post. "U" did a great job of providing the proof that the argument you and she are using is bogus!
But I didn't present an "argument" and I made no claims...I only presented information and sources that show the size of the CBD and the size of endoscopic balloons & the stones passed by using them
So he twists things and turns things: Don't let him get away with it!!
and "U" are a couple of other big offenders as far as starting attacks and posting posts that are not on topic but rather nothing more than attacks.
So he accused you of starting attacks--and that in itself is an attack.(?) But what if that's the way it really seems to him?
Using "U's" line of reasoning then we can also conclude that she believes chemotherapy and radiation therapy are effective for cancer. And that vaccines and fluoride are perfectly safe. After all so many people claim these are true, so according to "U" they therefore must be true!!!
Critiquing someone's logic and reasoning... that's the stuff debates are made of, no?
Therefore, if you choose to keep making up lies about me you are simply going to discredit yourself even further!!!
Sounds like a guy defending himself.
Now, what is debate? Debate involves taking a position and providing evidence to back that position. Debate is not personal attacks, it is not making up lies about the other person,
I don't find this offensive.
it is not looking through other forums to find anything to twist in a poor attempt to try and discredit someone. . . . Interesting though how you keep TROLLing around my forum looking for things you can use to attack me with.
Some of his opponents have done this.
Also interesting how the LF trolls keep to turn this forum in to a debate me forum rather than keeping it a "liver flush debate" forum.
Reading through some of the threads, it does feel that way.
One other thing I'd like to add. "Freedom of Speech" is one thing, but whoever said we have the "Right to Win the Debate?" Seems like those things are getting confused. If two people go back and forth in an argument and one writes 19 posts and the other writes 20, thereby having the last word, what's that got to do with "Freedom of Speech?" This being the internet there are no time limits on these debates, so yes, it is a matter out "outlasting" your opponent. Doesn't mean you're shouting them down. But some people do run out of ammo, myself included at times. If someone keeps rambling on and it bugs you that they're getting the last word, just write a post that says, "You're wrong. See above."
Lastly... ahh, the good ole days: 
http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1472388#i
I respectfully disagree because it doesn't seem the point of my posting was grasped or addressed in it's entirety. And it seems you've minimized slanderous lies and somehow transformed them into 'simple unpleasantries', while suggesting that I (and many others posters this has happened to) should spend hours/days of their time 'debating' & responding. Anyone that has ever disagreed with this poster off his own forum knows any time a response is made in effort to clear one's name of the accusation or lie that's been told about them, he ramps up the attacks, lies and abuse, adding more public slander to what's alread 'in print'.
What I have pasted below from my post above (that you seem to have overlooked/missed? ) are not merely "unpleasant" - these are abusive defamatory lies & offensive/libelous misrepresentations of my character, intent & knowledge....and you will find nothing in my posting history that even comes close to these actions. It doesn't matter if it's been done to him a thousand times, it hasn't been done to him by ME.
This poster has threatened CZ/Webmaster and individual posters with legal action due to slander, personal abuse, etc. Yet what he does to others IS the same (many times worse) than what he complains that others do to him in his 'legal notice':
... what is occurring and being allowed in clear violation of your own terms of service and in violation of the law.
not smart enough t realize that there is more than one duct involved! (while it may not seem like it to you or a layman, for someone that has dedicated her life to helping others 'be their own doctor' and learn the methodology of Drs. Schulze, Gerson & Christopher, et al, to heal themselves, a 'lie in print' that I can't 'understand'; that I don't know the anatomy of organs and can't identify the difference between a relevant & irrelavant study is a 'defamatory lie in print'. Of course there are others that are worse).
Luckily there are other people who know how to do research and realize that there are more than one duct
the study posted by "U" was really irrelevant
she would have known that if she understood what she was reading in the first place and realized that there are more ducts than just the common bile duct.
you and "U" have been making things up as you go along
you clearly cannot present even one piece of credible evidence to counter the evidence I already presented.
"U" did a great job of providing the proof that the argument you and she are using is bogus!
"U" are a couple of other big offenders as far as starting attacks and posting posts that are not on topic but rather nothing more than attacks.
we can also conclude that she believes chemotherapy and radiation therapy are effective for cancer. And that vaccines and fluoride are perfectly safe. After all so many people claim these are true, so according to "U" they therefore must be true!!!
I should have known that it would not be long before you came out from under your bridge. You take every opportunity you can to attack me.... But have to say that recommending blood thinning cayenne for a possible aneurysm was really potentially deadly advice!!!...So you are denying that you jump on the bandwagon to attack me every chance you get. Should we pull up some of your posting history showing how you have done this over and over?
And here's where the metal meets the road. Many ,many times in the past I have asked from him to post links and copies of my words that prove his accusations (it's all in the posting histories). To my knowledge, he has NEVER provided actual proof that I have ever directly attacked him personally. I welcome the chance to correct my errors and possible posting violations...but to my recollection, he has never provided evidence of the same. Yet he continues posting slanderous, character degrading lies about me/others when I summon up the courage to post something that disagrees with him.
Bottom line - this poster has indeed (outside of his own forum) threatened, attacked and lied about so many people that even the WM has stated that he's had more complaints about him and he's been banned from more forums than any other poster in the history of CZ.
Now he has threatened CZ and individual posters with legal action. This threat alone has likely intimidated all but the most 'brave & devoted' CZers - and it definitely does negatively impact the free flow of information on CureZone.
There's nothing wrong with me (or anyone else) posting proof of his own words and actions to help ensure CZ to regain the ability to once again embrace (without fear of intimidation) the free-speech and open communication of the various healing methodologies that have worked for tens of thousands of people over the centuries - whether he approves or has 'proof of their scientific validity' or not.
Uny
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Uny, let me start by saying that I think you have a tremendous knowledge base, a great forum and I'm sure you have helped 1000's since your forum started. I only started reading it a few months ago, wish I had started sooner. (We have something in common, i.e. learning about caffeine and the adrenals the hard way.) And the advice you gave to Jboy re: Xanax, etc was profound. And if I asked Jboy he'd probably say 'life-changing.'
You have every right to be confident in your knowledge base, and to be secure in your self. So DON'T GET RATTLED. When Hv slaps down a complete mischaracterization of your knowledge/beliefs in the midst of an argument, that's a TACTIC, the point of which is to RATTLE you. Then, while you're exasperating, looking like this: 
, he gets back to the argument at hand and makes more hay...
I've read all the comments you assembled, but I still come back to the bottom line that none of those examples on their own, viewed in context, are grounds for excommunicating Hv as some are calling for. But then, I guess what you are really angling to make is a kind of "totality of the evidence"-type of case.
You are using words like "slanderous" and "defamation" and "libel".... but "Unyquity" is a screen name. I just went to your forum, and clicked on "Description," and on "Herbal...Storefront." Your real name is nowhere to be found. It would be real tough to argue, in a court of law, that any of those 3 legal terms apply.
But let's talk damages. From a financial angle, you would have to make the case that normally your daily/weekly sales are *this* high, but in the wake of Hv's comments they dropped way down *here.* I'd be surprised if you had records that showed that (but even if you did, that wouldn't prove causation, especially with the economy the way it is and has been).
Let's talk professionally. You might make the case (if it were true) that you were about to be named a board member of some alternative health group, or awarded some prestigious position, but were denied because Hv's false statements influenced the decision-makers. It's possible, but if I'm a regular guy sittin' in the jury box, at this point...I need some convincing.
People know an argument when they see one. The notion that someone is going to click precisely on one of Hv's posts where he mischaracterizes your beliefs, and read that, then nothing else and then leave CZ thinking "Boy, this Unyquity character sure is misguided".... c'mon. Us CZers have absolutely no meaning to the person who reads one post then leaves.
Also, I don't have time to check, but whichever comments were made by Hv in a Debate Forum, legally, those would be meaningless, IMO. A debate forum is an ARENA, and if you entered willingly (especially using a screen name with your real name virtually unknown), something truly egregious would have to be said to make you a legitimate victim. In too many cases here the truth is not clear-cut. There are huge areas of grey. Take this whole cayenne business which doesn't appear to be settled. And people have a right to their opinion. Someone can believe that I have 1 brain cell no matter how much it hurts me.
Whenever I've read long debate threads, not in LF Debate but elsewhere where it's between Hv and one other person, such as Tony for e.g., I've thought "Well, there's two people 'givin as good as they get' as the saying goes." Which reminds me - Grz's post where he says some people just "like to watch others, and the world burn," that's just weepy, melodramatic rubbish, IMO...
Anyway, it's late and I've forgot whatever else, if anything, I had to say.
- CS
I agree with you wholeheartedly, though at this point I am not sure that being restricted to his private forum should even be an option. If it were, then a special mod should be assigned to limit attacks, misbehavior and posts like the one he just made threatening lawsuits. I would remind that this recent episode is far from the first time he has abused his privileges in his own forum, having used it to call out the WM several times before as well as use it to attack other CZ members (though those posts no longer appear due to the WM having to step in and delete them). In a forum he was given by the grace of the WM and allowed to make money from - just unbelieveable!
The WM has bent over backwards for this guy and the result appears to be only that it is the WM and CureZone which has been bent over. I too applaud freedom of speech, but let's get real here. Allowing someone to repeatedly flaunt the rules, repeatedly call out the owner and webmaster and now make a post threatening a lawsuit for the very things he has repeatedly been guilty of? That should surely be the final straw and I will be completely baffled if it isn't.
My two cents is that it is a supreme example of unmitigated gall for this guy to complain about attacks against him or dragging people's names through the mud. Has anyone ever generated so many complaints? Has anyone ever been banned from as many forums or had as many posts deleted? Not to my knowledge in the years that I have been here.
He is, in my very strong opiniion, a malignancy on the soul of CureZone and regardless of how many he may have helped his damage has far outweighed the good.
Wait.......... HV is going to sue people who he perceives are attacking him and include Curezone? LOL! LOL! LOL!
If THAT'S the case, we need to stand in line and sue HV!
Seriously, enough is enough. Too many people have put up with enough from this man. It is nothing but a bully situation and bullies need to be stopped.
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