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#91249
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Hey guys and girls, well ive been ill now for 6+ years ive tried alot but i just cant win, the only thing ive found to date(doctors havent gave me any tests minus the normal bloods in these 6+ years) i had to get blood tests myself which showed vit d/e and low A so im prob malabsorbing fat.
anyway im in some trouble with the police that just wont seem to go away, and with health so poor that i can barely walk most days, i cant digest anything im ready to top myself like really ready but i dont know an effective way to do it.
In some ways for my family im glad this is the UK and i dont have access to a gun as that is a sure fire way that im sure will work. Ive tried massive benzo doses(200mg+ and a bottle of vodka) and some how im superhuman at my weight should have been enough. I want to live, i want to experience the happiness that everyone so easily gets but this is the exact place i know people can relate to me, most go through this undiagnosed hell for years and the only 2 things that keep me going is i know i can prove the doctors diagnoses wrong(just anxiety, lol stupid f***ing twat i have a number of chronic symptoms that couldnt possibly be related to anxiety, stress or in our terms even adrenals) and my family.
But im getting to the stage where i cant live like this anymore this will be another year down and come december next year ill be doing my little post again saying happy new year everyone this is def the year i get my health back how many years have i done that now.
im beginning to go pyscho on myself, i know the morals of right and wrong but im thinking some awful things in my head about hurting people(doctors mainly), i want to show them some of the pain people like us here go through due to their incompetance. This goes against everything i believe about taking someones life but i really feel these guys deserve a little of my pain. Their f***ing useless for a guy who cant digest anything and they havent even gave me the basic tests for my stomach is insane its far past medical negligence now.
ahh sorry for the rant people i dont know what i want from this, i need real help, i made a minor mistake and the police are making me suffer fairs fair but its gone on forever and doesnt seem to be ending. I literally feel like im going insane.
peace all:)- Re: Im close again SeattleTom
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,548,426Hi scarface101 - I'm close to suicide too, and I can relate to a lot of what you shared. I listed some of my health issues in my post from last night.
I experienced a lot of your frustration with doctors when I first started dealing with my health issues 15 years ago. I know how frustrating it is to deal with doctors who don't recognize a lot of the health issues we deal with. I also know how frustrating it is to make major life changes to improve one's health, and not see any improvement as a result. Perhaps we can help each other get through a very difficult time.
Tom- Re: Im close again Bythc
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This is a reply to # 1,548,552Just went through months of looking like something out of the night of the living dead. My knees feel like someone smashed them with a hammer. Also had dental surgery to remove part of a root left behind by some denist, a bridge sawed in half and a molar removed. Worst of all, my horse had to be put down, the day before my birthday.
I'm still thinking it is a tooth issue. One with a root canal, has part of the rotten root left. If I hadn't changed denists, I would of found none of this out.
Ginger, cayenne, raw green peppers, buttermilk, aloe, cooked greens, brazil nuts, probiotics, and blackstrap molassas, some of what has been a help with the digestion.
Two quarts of water a day is most important.
My skin is almost clear now, my knees don't hurt when I ride. My horse left me with some woderful memories and her daughter.
The doctors and denist keep telling me this isn't related to my teeth. It's like pulling teeth to get them to pull teeth. Don't stress about the doctors, the stress makes it worse. The fact is I've had a helpful doctor and no cure.
CS, iodine, ozone, food grade h202 have been of better use than the medicine from the docs. Hang in there, be good to your liver.
Cheers
Bythc
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- Re: Im close again Ruffneck
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MoreThis is a reply to # 1,548,426give Water Fasting a go
i will be , nothing else has worked for me - allergic to many more foods than when i first got sick 2 1/2 years ago so decided it is the best way.this constant brain fog feeling (of circulating toxins in the blood effecting the mind) is still constant so im really hoping by stopping food the body can stop attacking these foods and start removing these excess toxins.
visit the Water Fasting forums and look for user chrisb1 or similar , he cured an advanced stage cancer by Water Fasting and seems like a bit of a guru- Re: Im close again #91249
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This is a reply to # 1,548,710cheers for the posts guys.
i would give Water Fasting a shot ruffneck but as soon as i start i get low blood Sugar and end up with pretty horrid panic attacks even on a juice fast sadly.
aye bythc i def feel like the teetch and gums have something to do with this, my gums at the back are constantly sore. Need a good dentist
thanks seatttletom i seen your post last night i understand what your going through fully too man, i was going to post a reply then i got too drunk and wasnt sure how i could help you with how i feel but joining forces cant not help us both probably:).
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- Re: Im close again misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,548,426Ahhh, scarface, I feel so bad for you. I'm still suffering too and unable to figure out what is wrong.
Do you have pancreatic issues ? Cant digest fat ?
I found some stuff on Myhills site athat says pancretitis is caused by alcohol (I think yous aid your probs started after some alcohol binging), gallstones, but also free radicals.
http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/article.cfm?id=118
What do you think ?- Re: Im close again misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,548,782There's anohter one scarface
http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C170385.html
See what it says under nutrients.
You've got 2 great labs tehre in the UK (that's where youa re right ?).
Biolab and Acumen - Re: Im close again #91249
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This is a reply to # 1,548,782hey misscallie, aye i cant digest fats by the looks of my vitamin profile blood test, deficient on D/E and low A which shows theirs something going on liver/gallbladder wise but getting these ignorant little shits to listen to anything is impossible.
gladfully my symptoms came on before my alcohol abuse. Im going to have to shell out more money and get some gallbladder scans to see whats going on, bloody pain in the arse that im going to have to shell out hundreds more though because their useless.
did you ever get anywhere with the chronic burping, its beginning to really annoy me again, plus if theirs a hernia going on its causing my heart to flutter constantly annoying like.
take care:).
- Re: Im close again misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,548,787It's better and Idon't know why. Right now I take HCL, pancreatic enzymes, keep the carbs to 60/70 grams/day.
Yes, I have to shell out some cash too to do some tests at acumen ... I have oxidative stress andthat could be why my pancreaas is not working right. I need to find out the source of this oxidative stress.- Re: Im close again #91249
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This is a reply to # 1,548,800nice one i too am using both hcl and bitters which is helping abit but at other times it comes on strong and i get angry again.
thanks for them lab suggestions going to get in touch with them, not sure i have the right link for acumen anychance you could post it please.
cheers- Re: Im close again misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,548,803I don't think acumen has a website but here is an email.
John McLaren Howard [acumenlab@hotmail.co.uk]
He's the lab director/owner and personally answers emails which is great.
Did you find biolab ?
Same here, those things help, but there's more going on.
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- Re: Im close again LuellaMay
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This is a reply to # 1,548,426
Hi scarface101,
First of all benzos and alcohol are the worst thing that you can do for depression, anxiety, and panic. They actually contribute to the condition, making it worse. Any relief given by alcohol is shortlived. The thing is, alcohol will turn against you and you may find it actually triggering the very symptoms that you are trying to relieve.
The first things I am going to recommend are Bach Flower Remedies and digestive enzymes. The source of the problem could be your digestive system, your teeth, and/or emotional issues. Is there someone that you can talk to? I would suggest finding a qualified therapist, but if they should recommend benzos or antidepressants, walk out and find a new therapist. Those never work and subject you to unwanted and dangerous side effects.
Colloidal silver will eliminate tooth and gum infections. Swish it through your mouth and then swallow several times a day.
With regard to other supplements that will help, here is a list:
Diet is very important. Eliminate all sugar, processed and junk foods. Eat as much raw foods, such as fruits and vegetables as possible. Keep in mind, that those of us with anxiety disorders are also hypoglycemic and this condition is responsible for many of our unwanted symptoms.
Colloidal Gold: This supplement works in a three-fold way. It encompasses body, mind, and spirit. http://www.utopiasilver.com is a very good source. In fact, they have a first time buyer offer where you receive one bottle free for every 8 oz bottle ordered, but you must call them to receive this offer. After that, by inserting coupon code LR001, you receive a 15% discount if it is not on sale. Colloidal gold lifts one's spirits.
L-Tryptothan
I-Theanine
Omega 3's
GABA
Trace Minerals. Make sure they are plant derived. These are also available from Utopia Silver the above coupon code will get you a 15% discount.
Hawthorne Berry Syrup will stop a racing heart.
Look into iodine supplementation. I take SSKI and magnascent. You can get added information as to the benefits of iodine with regard to anxiety and panic conditions in the iodine forum.
During this time, make sure you do things to relax such as relaxation exercises and meditation. Also, the emotional freedom technique (EFT) should be of help. This works by tapping on certain acupressure points throughout the body.
Oleander (Sutherlandia OPC or Rose Laurel OPC Plus): Besides being effective against serious health conditions, it also relieves anxiety.
The above, together with addressing emotional issues is what worked for me.
I know where you are coming from. There was a time that after years of years of what seemed like walking through the depths of hell with no help from doctors, I, too, had no hope. Yet, I want to tell you that there is hope. Healing sometimes takes time, especially if the source is emotional.
Hang in there. Don't assume that this year will be like all the others. This could be the year where you achieve total healing, but I want to tell you it takes work and perseverence. And you have to work towards healing addressing three components: Body, Mind, and Spirit.
I wish you the very best,
Luella
- Re: Im close again #107689
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This is a reply to # 1,548,814
I agree completely with you view on benzos and alcohol, and you might also add caffeine to the group. Caffeine tends to take one from highs to lows with a lot of anxiety thrown in, particularly in large quantities. I personally think these recent "power drinks" like Red Bull are absolutely insane.
Omega 3 supplements have been shown in clinical studies to reduce depression and anxieties. Our early ancestors ingested a ratio of 1:1 Omega 6 to Omega 3. Currently our normal diet gets from 20:1 to 50:1 Omega 6 to 3. The Inuit have (before the introduction of Western diet) a diet ratio of 1:1 and their food source is primarily animals from the sea with very few vegetables. Fish oil and cod liver oil are the best sources of Omega 3 and they have a ratio of 2:1 - flax oil has a ratio of 6:1 and is not as beneficial. It often takes a while for the benefits of Omega 3 to manifest relative to depression and the studies that I've seen use mega doses in the area of 6000 mg and higher, but it is cheap, particularly in relation to prescription drugs.
Another supplement that has been used in Europe to treat depression for more than 40 years is SAM-e.
From http://www.healingdaily.com/detoxification-diet/cod-liver-oil.htm
Cod liver oil and depression
Research has found that people who suffer from depression who received a daily dose of 1 gram of an omega-3 fatty acid such as cod liver oil for 12 weeks experienced a decrease in their symptoms, such as anxiety, sadness and sleeping problems All the patients had already tried prescription drugs before enrolling in the study, including selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) such as Zoloft, Paxil and Prozac, or drugs from an older family of drugs called tricyclic antidepressants, all of which are considered standard treatments for depression.
Previous studies have suggested that the balance of omega-3 fatty acids in the brain may be skewed in people with depression, and earlier studies have shown that cod liver oil and fish oil supplements can help alleviate the symptoms of depression and schizophrenia.
If you suffer from depression, I would also recommend you look into SAM-E which has been used for 20 years in Europe to treat depression and is very effective.
If the relationship between depression and omega 3 fatty acid interests you, I would highly recommend Dr. Stoll's book "The Omega-3 Connection". Dr. Stoll is a Harvard psychiatrist who has done a good job of compiling the evidence supporting the use of cod liver oil and fish oil to treat depression.
If you take your omega 3 in liquid form, as opposed to capsules, the dose for both the cod liver oil or fish oil liquid should be about 1-2 teaspoons per day. This is a good initial dose for most people but if you notice any belching, it is likely that your gallbladder is not digesting the oil properly and you may need to take a high potency enzyme with plenty of the fat digesting enzyme lipase.
From: http://www.smart-drugs.net/depression-SAMe.htm
SAMe - Supplementation
Supplementation with SAMe was shown to reverse many symptoms associated with depression, such as low mood, tiredness (5), and anxiety or stress (8). When depressed patients are treated with- SAMe, they exhibit an increase of the levels of SAMe in their blood and cerebro-spinal fluid (9).
Depressed patients frequently turn to alcohol for relief of their problems but this actually worsens their condition. Too much alcohol interferes with the production of SAMe. Without SAMe protection, the liver becomes more susceptible to toxic damage. Also, the resulting reduction of SAMe worsens depression, creating a catch-22 situation. Thus, SAMe supplements not only protects the liver against alcohol-related damage, but also reduces alcohol-related depression (10).
- SAM e reviews #107689
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This is a reply to # 1,548,843
Here's a site with some very good reviews of SAM-e, mostly positive, but a little bit of negative too. It is expensive stuff, but if it does what the reviewers claim, it's worth it.
Please note: I do not have any financial interest in Costco except that - I'm a card carrying member of the Costco Party. ;)
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10043335&search=sam%20e&...
- Re: SAM e reviews #91249
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This is a reply to # 1,548,885cheers for the posts ill try break them down.
Yeah i dont use any caffiene and my diet is pretty spot on most of the time. The drink has to be stopped though as you say it temporarly covers then leaves me in even more of a mess.
the reason im at so much of an end is because ive pretty much tried everything ive spent easily over 30k which is insane on supplements. I gave the bach flower remedys a shot think ive still got the bottle so will try again.
Good call on the collidal silver ive got a generator here just need distilled water now. Might give my ozone generator a try again but didnt feel much when trying it. Never tried colliodal gold will give that a look into and a shot:).
the rest of the things such as l-tryphtphan, sun-theanine, omega 3,6,9 complex im taking currently, GABA i gave a shot recently but made me more anxious for some reason same with the theanine, sam-e and tmg ive tried, trace minerals im currently using himalayan sole therapy, hawthorn i havent tried much of must give it a go, Iodine ive tried kelp, iodoral in big doses for a long time and lugols, EFT i must look back into seems pretty successful.
cheers #107689 im waiting on word from another forum about a good omega supplement, these basic gels dont seem that good, will prob go with cod liver oil or fish:) alot of good research indicating benefits for depression/anxiety.
thanks for the help everyone, and the link misscallie:).- Re: SAM e reviews misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,548,921"the reason im at so much of an end is because ive pretty much tried everything "
That's what I used to say too, Scarface, until I realized I haven't tried almost everything! I ahvent' tried to get my glutathione up, check to see if it's up, then try again. I havent' checked for other anitoxidants and antioxidants enzymes thorugh those labs I posted. Ihavent' done a fat biopsy to check for overloads of pesticides or organic solvents. I haven't done the test to check for kryptopyroles. I havent' done the ATP profile test throuigh Acumen to see exactly whre my energy deficit is. I havne't checked the functionalty of my B vitamsin and on it goes ....
I'm tired and weak as hell right now but I've got the whole list to go through to try to find out what's wrong and things to try related to what is found.
But, yeah, the moeny issue is rough.- Re: SAM e reviews #91249
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This is a reply to # 1,548,936aye i need to look into more tests for sure, my problem is finding the labs but you've done some of that work for me:), luckily my problem isnt money just now well it might be if my court goes the wrong way but just now i should be battering out to get some proper diagnostics. Good call.
proper doctors and labs are so hidden, but i have a decent start now with these labs, minus the digestive symptoms most of the others point to adrenal/thyroid dysfunction and with chronic stressful events + the time it takes to rebuild them its going to take a while i reckon before i feel better.
- Re: SAM e reviews misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,548,939I know you can fix this scarface, I just know it. And our symptoms (burping, fat indigstion) are so similar we can help each other. Im glad to hear money is not an issue. There is a reason for allof this, it just has to be found. just today I read about a child with autism that had to take coq10 (needed for energy production) and it turned his severe fatigue around.
And last year you figured out some stuff, that what you were doing wasn't enough. Me too. I did a high fat/low carb diet all year and ended up with fatty liver and still didnt' gain any weight!
Yeah, I'm tkaing adrenal cortex too. Thyroid made me feel hyperthyroid , not sure why
I love curezone but find most people aren't as sick as I and we might have to dig quie a bit further.
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This is a reply to # 1,548,948cheers pal i hope i do too and everyone else here its a shitty life to be going through and i see people crying about having a cold lol, that near tips me over the edge most of here feel like we have the cold or worse everyday for years let alone just for a week.
im going to need to find something to do as i cant beat this alcohol, all im doing is sitting full days on my pc sitting refreshing the same 4 websites that cant be healthy, i want to be back boxing and in the gym, but i have some major exercise intolerance, a tried forcing myself to do a run really stupid idea made me sleep a full day it was that hard on my adrenals.
i keep getting the constant bitching that well you dont try the SSRI's that have been prescribed your doing this to yourself, your putting yourself through this hell, im at the point where i might just chock up my losses and try the blooming thing, then i remember how bad it is, but if im this low then maybe it could eitehr really help or SSRI's are known to cause increased suicidal feelings in people who are already so im scared it tips me over the edge and blanks off the little bit of voice that has stopped me so far. Although i still put it mostly down to not having a sure fire way of dieing.
What i meant earlier was that ive pretty much tried every supplement and therapy possible, but pissing in the wind without testing hasnt got me far so its my next step for sure:).
anyway cheers again everyone its appreciated as always:). Doctors def dont do enough for chronically ill patients though and if i ever find out the real problem and beat this im going to make it my lifes work to really shit on these people publically, until i cure myself i just look like the nutter whos refusing pharmaceutical treatment.
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- Re: SAM e reviews misscallie
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This is a reply to # 1,548,921This website has a list of ultra refined omega 3 oils that have been tested by a independent company for content of pcb, mercury, dioxin, etc and content of omega 3 if you want to check it out. They also grade 'natural grade omega 3 products' and 'combination omega 3 products' in the pull down menu.
http://www.ifosprogram.com/IFOS/ConsumerReport.aspx
- Re: SAM e reviews misscallie
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- Re: SAM e reviews MrCuddly
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This is a reply to # 1,548,885SAM-E has gotten me through some really hard times. Its amazing how it works. You don't feel jittery - or any physically different at all. You don't feel euphoric or slightly high. If you pay attention, you just noticed that your mood has lifted, you've stopped obsessing and being depressed. You just feel better.
In fact if you're not paying attention you might just think you bad mood passed on its own because you're not really feeling anything druggy or different. The only side effect I've noticed is that your joints are less stiff.
And you don't need to take em regularly. When you're feeling bad you take, when not you forget about it. Although sometimes I still take one before bed so i don't wake up obsessing about something. Highly recommended!
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- Re: Im close again Tizona
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This is a reply to # 1,548,426hello,
Sorry to hear about your troubles, I sure hope things get better for you soon.
I don't know your whole story and don't know if I can offer any kind a great advice. I am dealing with my own pretty severe problems here
One thing I will say is this. Spending your time and energy raging against and hating the doctors is counterproductive. It doesn't affect them at all, but it cripples your attempts at healing.
The doctors are who they are, they do what they do. And trust me when I tell you I have been down the same road you have been with doctors. I have hated them, I have raged against them, I have wanted to rip out their eyeballs and shove them down their throat. But all that got me nowhere.
The more I let go of any expectations that mainstream medicine or regular medical doctors could help me, the more I am finding my way along my own healing path. I am learning to let go of my anger at all of the medical experts who couldn't help me and I think it is really doing me some good. It's almost like it unleashes some energy into my space that then can be used for healing.
Anyway, just thought i would throw that out there. Take care of yourself and remember that the Creator of all of us loves and cares for each one of us even if in this moment we cannot feel or experience that love. Learn to forgive yourself, learn to care for yourself and love yourself. You are worthy of love just as we all are. Don't be so harsh on yourself forgive yourself- Re: Im close again #91249
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This is a reply to # 1,549,516thanks mate what you say really hits the nail on the head, ive been trying to readjust my head these past few weeks, slowly abit at a time my main problem is that i hate myself, hate the way i look(even though i know im a decent looking guy compared to most thats not big headed as it doesnt obviously do me any favours mentally if im having self-esteem problems.
I could be perfect and id still find something to fixate on and hate, no wonder my adrenals are nailed ontop of everything else.
but those words are similar to what a friend said and they really do help, like you say i wont heal with these type of thoughts. When you get this low though its hard to get out this horrible loop i guess and with police ontop of my problems its no wonder im abusing drink and drugs.
but i have to get out this loop with alcohol again ive sat smelling the bottle all day and bang 10pm i give up whats the point in even drinking at this time. I can do months without drink if i have a cheeky smoke of marijuana but that over-stimulates teh adrenals to high heaven also. Going cold turkey i last a day or two if lucky then start feeling depressed. If i could go to the gym or boxing or even out to all the friends who have abandoned me it would be better than sitting from 11am till 2 at night refreshing the same 4 websites all day drive a sane man nuts lol.
thanks again yall:), its great that we have places like curezone, at times i dont think their healthy for me but in the right context like these posts they can be my savior.
- Suggestion re Alcohol SeattleTom
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This is a reply to # 1,549,531Hi scarface - You might want to read "The Mood Cure" by Julia Ross. It's a book about the ways that Depression and other mood disorders can be treated with nutrition and supplements. It has a chapter on treating drug and alcohol issues, and it has very specific recommendations that might help you a lot. I don't know if this book is available in the UK.
Also, jurplesman knows a lot about this topic. You might want to review some of his posts to see if he has any on this topic. http://www.hypoglycemia.asn.au
has some of his articles, including one on alcohol issues.
Tom- Re: Suggestion re Alcohol #91249
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This is a reply to # 1,550,077hey Tom, thanks for the suggestions will take a look on amazon and that link nice one:).
Cheers
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