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I love your dad. A man after my own heart.

Haven't read that link yet, but let me guess. They're 'memorial' in nature, right? Trouble with that 'interpretation' is that it violates their basic hermeneutical principle - that it should be read literally unless there is compelling evidence to the contrary. The minute you admit they might be figurative/spiritual, your rebuilt temple disappears in a puff of smoke, along with the millennium that witnesses its construction.

So they're caught between a rock and a hard place, and it makes no difference whether they are 'classic' premils or dispos - both are caught on the horns of a dilemma that admits of no solution unless one adopts the Finalist interpretation, period.

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