more part one (see more part two below)

to address latest things.

edit tiggs please see my edit in my next message before responding..I am sorry I think I misinterpreted something you said and missed another thing..I apologize. It was easier to do a new message on this than to readjust this one.

Today I found a page written by Schulze saying he had a lot of people who got off dialysis and recovered or who had nonworking kidneys and they got them working again and I forwarded this to Jensen.

I only addressed the kind of water not the amount. I had some questions about drinking that much distilled water. Schulze does favor distilled water and it seemed this was primarily in regards to the teas in order to pull more pytochemicals from the herbs.

since new evidence is showing distilled water (exclusively) may be bad, I felt a good compromise was to use steam distilled water for the teas and reverse osmosis for ...other things, but also feel what unyquity said about it pulling toxins from the blood (cause it is empty) made good sense so he can either do a mix or all distilled for a while I think.

Schulze has made it very clear in his writings that herbs do not clash and that they CAN be mixed. Schulze used in his incurables program, tiggs, both blood cleansers (the detox formula is a blood cleanser so is the Hoxsey formula which he says it is similar to and Dr Christopher's is very similar to Schulze's as well) together with the kidney herbs..you could wait about 15 minutes beteen them or so..

But Schulze stressed emphatically we need both or ALL parts of the incurables program in order to assure our healing success.

Time and after he stressed people who leave any parts out do NOT often get well, so advising the blood cleanser together with the kidney herbs was NOT bad advice and doing all the steps, I feel, is very important even if it is more complicated.

Also my mother was dying and as bad as you can get and the blood cleanser she took when she had zero function, they said, in both kidneys and stage 5 kidney disease did nothing but help her. To tell him not to take it, I feel, is bad advice, as his blood is even dirtier than my mom's who had more advanced disease because she was on dialysis getting her blood cleaned and he is not and this is crucial and if he is wise, he will get the burdock posthaste. (I think tigger's original post was edited some since)

The last thing in the world I want is to have people on here mad at me for saying I disagree but my first concern is Jensen who I sent here and who I feel should be on the full incurables program. To lead him to think he can do less and be healed this late in the game, may be very detrimental. He is new to alternative health.

As far as water, I am not sure. Schulze recommended a gallon a day of fluids. The teas, the morning kidney or liver drinks, the juices, the potassium broth I imagine can be all that he needs but this is a lot of fluids.

I, too, had questions in regards to fluids and overwhelming the system with toxins for my mom and had no Schulze to advise me. I asked him this both here on this site long ago when he posted here and on his new site but until he answers in specific regards to kidney disease, the best I can offer is to recommend the full incurables program and not half measures. I tried to do half measures with my mom first-- for fear I held back (she would not do half measures or full measures though I tried hard to convince her as she was not a believer) but anyway, she died and I feel I was wrong to not do the full incurables back when she was as good functioning as Jensen is.

I held back thinking if I built her kidneys up first, she would be better able to not have the fluids unable to exit the body due to the bad kidneys and feel sicker as schulze said if you cant get them out you will get worst, but looking back I should have pushed for full program immediately (though she would not have done it I know as she rarely did what I recommended..every time she did, she always got good results..always but usually she then stated..hmm..must have been something the doctors did which was maddening but she finally knew in the last two weeks of her life that the cayenne stopped her heart attacks and the burdock/parsley root made her less sick...finally she believed but it turned out to be too late as she died just when in the process of ordering the herbs and stuff. Order those herb formulas today Jensen. Sell something if you have to to get the money even your car Schulze says if necessary.

Perhaps if we all asked Schulze two questions

1. will the cleansing and the toxins that the incurables program releases, be too overwhelming if the kidneys do not work..ie--can they get out or what might assist them (like the alt baths or dry saunas etc)

2. is it bad to drink all the fluids contained in the program..should anything be lessened from the original program or modified to adapt it to an advanced stage of kidney disease or someone on dialysis where water is restricted to generally just 2 cups of fluids a day in order to do the dialysis.

Perhaps if several of us all wrote him, he would address this issue either here or on his website that he has never addressed as people on kidney dialysis suffer beyond measure. Maybe if we ask en mass, he will answer these two crucial questions for the kidney patient. does anyone think Bob Mantz would be able to get the info form Schulze?

But until Schulze does answer, I would recommend Jensen does the juicing, and the drinks schulze recommends in the morning when doing the kidney and liver detoxes/cleanses. Maybe he could cut some fluids by making the kidney bladder and liver detox teas into tinctures to reduce the fluids if he is worried about the fluids. Drink the potassium broth but less and reduce plain water, but I wonder if it will work if he cuts out the kidney/liver drinks/teas/and juices..these are essential parts of the incurables program.