The article you refer to is written by mainstream medicine. It contains information from doctors and pharmaceutical representatives.
Although I realize that some coming into this forum may be taking prescription medicines, and may be under a doctor's care, the purpose of this forum is to educate the public on natural healing and natural supplements.
The purpose of this forum is to show people how they can reach optimum health by using natural products, what God put on this earth, not a bunch of synthetic drugs. Synthetic drugs are not natural. Whenever I recommend a herb I always caution that anyone taking any type of a prescription drug must consult with their physician or pharmacist to ascertain the possible interactions, not because of the danger of the herbs, but rather because of the danger caused by the synthetic medicines prescribed by doctors.
The article that you referred to is absolutely false and full of misinformation. Curious that the very people that are on a campaign to rid humanity of herbs, vitamins and a healthy lifestyle are the very ones that have written this article.
I will take the side effects you have listed one by one:
First of all, as with any drug prescribed by a physician, if anybody has an unpleasant side effect, they should immediately stop taking the supplement, whether it be black cohosh or anything else.
"Black cohosh can depress heart rate, anyone with any type of heart disease should not use this herb."
This can happen if taken in conjunction with prescription drugs that do not agree with it or if taken in extreme amounts. In no credible site did I find that anybody with heart disease should not use this herb. However, If one suspects they have heart disease or any other serious illness, they should check with their physician or pharmacist.
"Other possible side effects include dizziness, diarrhea, nausea, headaches, shakes, low pulse, vomiting."
Again, one may suffer from these side effects if they take Black Cohosh in conjunction with a prescription drug that it does not agree with or if taken in large amounts.
Black Cohosh should not be taken if pregnant, lactating, and/or breastfeeding.
Below is an article on Black Cohosh from Dr. Mercola's site. Please be sure to read his personal comments.
this one does not look like mainstream to me and the side effects are a little scary. i mean most drugs do come from herbs, so we have to be careful with herbs, too, right?
Black cohosh should not be used for more than 6 months at a time at normal doses. Generally, when taking herbs over the long term they should be taken for 3 weeks on and one week off. For menstrual stimulating & abortifacient purposes any herb including black cohosh should not be used any longer than 10 days, since doses taken are often higher than the recommended dosages, and toxic build up or side effects could result, even with herbs generally known as being safe.
Contradictions: Black cohosh can depress heart rate, anyone with any type of heart disease should not use this herb. Other possible side effects include dizziness, diarrhea, nausea, headaches, shakes, low pulse, vomiting. Side effects occurring with prolonged use may include uterine irritation, abdominal pain (see cautions on ectopic pregnancy), abnormal blood clotting (which could cause problems when using herbs to end pregnancy, possibly hemorrhage), liver problems, it could encourage breast tumors. And should not be taken by anyone who has been advised not to take oral contraceptives.7
This is all greatly exagerrated. The medical profession will tell you the herbs are drugs. Or that they make drugs out of herbs so the herbs are really drugs and they are dangerous. This is meant to scare people into not taking herbs. And it works very well with many people.
The side effects that are described in that site are greatly exaggerated. If it was that dangerous, there would be warnings in the quality health sites, such as Dr. Mercola, and there are none.
"Black cohosh can depress heart rate, anyone with any type of heart disease should not use this herb. Other possible side effects include dizziness, diarrhea, nausea, headaches, shakes, low pulse, vomiting."
As I said in my last post, this can happen only if Black Cohosh is taken in conjunction with prescription drugs that interefere with it or if taken in extreme doses. And it should not be taken if pregnant, or breastfeeding. I have never heard of the other side effects you mention at all.
Furthermore, I know ladies, and I am one of them, that did not need to take black cohosh for a very long period of time at all. It seemed to get rid of my hot flashes for good, as with other friends I have. I do not know if this is common in other women.
ok. i used to take pep, though, when i was in college and it caused heart palpitations, so that is why i am wary of hebs.
you've been working hard, take a small break for a laugh:
oh i am absolutely aware i can die of lonliness. i have already seen this depression add years to my face in the last year. i cannot even look in the mirror anymore.
yes, i learned lonliness when i was a kid, but i coped very well, considering. and, i was fine up until i moved here. i am a little fish in a big pond and i don't have an emotional connection to this city or it's people. my people are back home.
i am in the process of getting rid of who hurt me. i am have often been discouraged from doing this by many people and that has prolonged my feeling mentally and emotionally sick.
yeah, i like old people. i don't know if i want to go to a nursing home, kind of depressing.
the stuff you mentioned, no i don't like to do any of that stuff. what i like to do is go to my favorite hang outs back home. and that is 1200 miles. if i had my friends here, i could probably cope, but i don't.
my diet is ok. i only eat organic. it is not a matter of not knowing what to buy, i know exactly what is healthy because i studied for years and years. in my cupboard is red palm oil and raw coconut oil and any flour products are made of rice, etc.... in fact, i am addicted to health food. i get sick to my stomach if i eat unhealthy food. i am not big on supplements, i take a few here and there. i have b-12 now that i take every day. i take cod liver oil most every day.
yes, i believe i suffer from clinical depression.
the positive thinking thing, i am most likely going to order a joe land cd. i know they work, just have not done it yet. my self-esteem was taken from me, which is why i have been trying to get out of the lie i have lived for over 5 years. i am one of those people of principle and one who the truth will always come out eventually and some people do not like to be around people like that. i have been controlled and made to live a lie and i am just done now. but it left me shattered and lost, like i wasted a lot of time and effort living someone's lie they wanted me to live. it is very sick. but, i am getting out and feel i am out, but only recently. so, i sit here and think..what am i doing here? there is nothing here for me.
i love being alone. i just noticed a while back that i am lonely and have no friends here and see no one.
an honest answer? ok, here you go... i am lonely because i let myself get caught up in a lifestyle of deception where i was only used for a purpose. it is like the guard dog you tie out back and he is only there to guard the place. he never gets petted. he gets some food and water and lays there and pants in the shade of his flea-infested dog house. he gets kicked once in a while. that dog puts up with it forever sometimes. it depends on how hard you kick him and how much neglect. this dog got kicked too much and neglected too much and i am biting and growling and breaking free of my chain, leaving my food bowl, breaking free of my owner's control, and maybe eventually leaving my dog house.
You did it! You gave yourself an honest answer! Yes! And now you are ready to move on!
"i am lonely because i let myself get caught up in a lifestyle of deception where i was only used for a purpose."
Here you have it. You take responsibility for letting yourself get caught up in a lifestyle of deception and abuse. In other words, acknowledge that nobody took your self esteem. You gave it away. The question is why? Nobody has the power to make you act in a certain way or do certain things. We do it for a reason in the hope of receiving something back. Love maybe? The point is, we are in control of everything that we do.
" . . . this dog got kicked too much and neglected too much and i am biting and growling and breaking free of my chain, leaving my food bowl, breaking free of my owner's control, and maybe eventually leaving my dog house. "
You have taken control back. Congratulations!
Question. Are you still living with this person? If you are, leave the doghouse now. Even if it means going to a shelter. You will receive the help and counselling that you need. A new life will be in front of you.
Aharleygyrl, you have made a most important first step. And I know you are going through tremendous emotional turmoil. Take the next step. Talk to somebody. But you know what? You are doing a lot better than you think.
Way to go!
thanks. no, the doghouse is a metaphor for my house or possibly even california, and if i am able to obtain a better situation to take my mind off this, i may be able to stay. I have been able to stay away from the abuser and that is good, but i need more than that to recover. one thing i think is making me sick is the cavitation in my jaw. it is pretty painful. so, i decided to use that as a starting point, since i felt better after i called a dentist and made an appointment. right after, i thought, if that made me feel a little better, then maybe i have a chance to keep going in that direction. i see a little light at the end of the tunnel so far. i just noticed that extreme anxiety feeling/pain in my stomach and it is killing me right now, so i guess part of this stomach ailment i developed within the last 3 days is tied to thinking about this abuse.
what i was looking for was love, acceptance, but i was even willing to settle for being paid properly, because as a last resort, i was willing to say ok money can represent the love and acceptance. but, i was not even given that without it being manipulated. it's the difference between getting a steak on a plate and getting thrown a bone that another dog has already eaten all the good stuff off of.
it's funny, i gave that sort of analogy about the dog tied up out back to the abuser plenty of times, to try and point out how bad i was treated, but the one doing the abusing often cannot see anything wrong with the abuse and do not think of it that way, in fact, they don't think of it at all, and do not like hearing about it; it makes them mad. that is when you know the person's behavior is pathological. and, if you have ever tried to reason with a pathologic personality, well...you might as well beat your head against a wall.
Your teeth have a lot to do with your physical health. The poison that bad teeth contain goes into your system and throughout your body. It can even affect your heart. Yes, go back to the dentist and get that cleared up. You will feel so much better.
I am so glad you are not still living with the abuser. Whew! So many women get caught up in staying for so many reasons. Fear, insecurity, both emotional and financial, so many reasons. And some women do not feel complete unless they have a man by their side. Any man. But you are not one of them. You are actually a strong person, although you may not see it at this point in time.
The abuser is a very interesting animal. Nope, they never accept the fact that they are doing anything wrong. They have a special knack for turning it around and making it all your fault. It is impossible to reason with them.
my problem is not watching tv or being on the internet. my problem is what i stated, being severely abused by a sociopath who treated me like a dog tied out back for 3.5 yrs and longer, really. that is when i started to die. he stole $30,000 from me, as well. i was just able to get away from him and i made an appt with a dentist, so i am starting the recovery. if you look back on the posts, you will see where i posted that. i would never give up the net. i am 1200 emails behind as it is because of him and if my pc breaks for a week, i don't like it so much. i rarely get a chance to watch oprah, but it is sometimes on in the background. i watch larry king, judge judy, 700 club, joyce meyer, dog the bounty hunter, etc.... they are just playing in the background most the time, i just hear it. i have been on the pc more lately because of going through this depression of trying to get away from an abuser. if i would have gotten away from the pc, it would not have helped. this writing has been theraputic the last two days. there is no one here to do anythng with and i have no friends here, so i do not want to go out by myself. but if you read my post, you will see that i have good news. and i needed to go to the dentist to get well and i have an appt. i have put it off for over 3 yrs. that has been one of the biggest sources of my unhappiness. i can't smile and am in pain all the time from neglect that should have never happened. i should have been appreciated and loved and taken care of and i would have flourished. if a person watches tv and the internet and is in severe depression, it isn't the tv and internet, in my opinion. and without them, i would be much more depressed. but thanks for trying to help. i do not want to go outside at all. that is one of my problems, but i will not shut off the pc and go out, because i hate it out there. but like i said, things mite go well with my appt. when you cannot even open your mouth because it is such a mess, you do not want to be around anyone anyway. i am on a narcotic pain killer today because of dental pain, so i truly have waited til the last minute. after i made that appt i had a little bounce in my step and that has not happened in a long long time. so i am hoping things are changing friday.
yes, i am not one to need to be around people all the time, but i know those who are. but i have zero around me. it is not like i can go visit my friends, because they are just not here. yes, i like living alone, too, especially now that i have no female hormones or feelings. i love my space and i can watch what i want. i have never lived with anyone, but stayed at their house and they at mine for a year. i do like to share and can adjust and have before, but it did not work out because it ended up being one-sided. with all the divorce, i am thinking it is not worth trying. plus, i am not certain men and women were meant to marry and live together and sleep in the same bed every night and in the same room forever. some are able to do it.
Hi In Charge,
You hit the nail right on the head. It all depends on the individual and on their emotional needs. Different strokes for different folks.
yeah, i adapt pretty well, well i did when i was mentally ok. hopefully i will be again soon. but one thing, i am having some severe stomach problems and i honestly think it could be cancer. i mean, cancer is very common nowadays. i have been burping for 3 months or so, all day long, every few mins. and i have not changed my habits. and the last 3 days now, it feels like someone punched me very hard in the stomach and it also burns. and nothing will take away this pain. it is almost unbearable. i know that i have a bad cavitation that is infecting my jaw so much and i have cavities under bridges and they are starting to hurt bad. i know teeth can affect health, of course, for over 5 yrs as a dental consultant, i know all too well and i tell people all the time. but, i don't know for certain if it is the source of this pain in my stomach. i will have to see how it goes. i am going to have to take a narcortic pain killer today, rarely take them, but my jaw hurts too much. anyway, i am looking forward to friday. i won't be able to get dental work that day, though, just an assessment, so i will have to hang in there for a while.