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I think Trapper mention he gives this to his daughter, maybe some others too.
Can Trapper or someone else please confirm this is ok, as you cannot take Lugols within 1 hour of vitamin c but orange juice obviously contains vitamin c.
I've tried it over the last 2 days and it certainly makes the Lugols more palatable. 8 horizontal drops in 16oz water still tastes strong and burns a bit on the way down, but in Orange Juice the taste is softened.
I also tried it in a Schulze Superfood drink and OJ combo (16oz total, half and half) and this was also quite nice, you could hardly taste the Lugols at all.
I know when u add lugols to sodium asocrbate (probably also vit but not tried) the lugols turns clear and doesnt taste as strong, I'm worried im rendering the lugols in-effective in someway by adding it to the Superfood or OJ
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MoreThis is a reply to # 920,435gee I was putting it in my organic veggie juice not realizing it may be a problem.
pattiecake - Re: Lugols in Orange Juice #68716
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MoreThis is a reply to # 920,435"...as you cannot take Lugols within 1 hour .."
I don't know where these rumors come from.
Keep in mind that nobody takes Lugol's. All Lugol solution-based cases of Iodine supplementation I'm aware of use DILUTED Lugol's solution, typically , typically eight drops Lugols into 12 ounces water, which is approximately a 1 to 1000 dilution. You probably meant this, but I thought I'd clarify for any new viewers.
I've taken Iodine with vitamin C both in tablet and natural form, in large quantity, from day 1.
I cannot recommend anything to anyone, but rather share my own experience.
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This is a reply to # 920,475I believe I read the full explanation in the Yahoo Iodine Group, the short version is that iodine is an oxidizer and vit. C is an anti-oxidant and one hinders the other (I think the iodine destroys the vit. C...) so both should not be taken together.
In reality, this is not unusual at all when it comes to taking nutrients, a similar thing happens with iron and vit. E as iron destroys vit. E. There are also other supplements whose absorption is also optimized if not taken at the same time, such as calcium and magnesium which, despite the many formulas that include them together, are supposedly best absorbed when taken separately: magnesium in the morning and calcium at night. I suppose the form of these two minerals may also have something to do with it but I usually take them separately just in case; also it was recommended to me take magnesium tablets on an empty stomach to maximize absorption.
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This is a reply to # 920,506Statements such as "iron destroys vitamin E" are meaningless to me. Do they mean metallic iron ? Do they mean ferrous iron, or ferric iron ? Do they mean iron complexes ? Also, there are different forms of vitamin E. Does the iron in your blood destroy all the vitamin E it comes into contact with in the body ?
Iodine is NOT exclusively an oxidizer. It can also function as a reducing agent.
And just becuase the media has hyped many substances as "anti-oxidants" does not mean that it is true, with regards to all materials. Most of these people don't even know what anti-oxidant means, let alone the principles, and rules of oxidation-reduction. They read a couple internet articles and walk away thinking they know something because of some buzz words, when in fact the info is of NO value and even negative value.
Vitamin C can also function as an oxidezer. Easy to prove, just mix a few grams of powdered iron, zinc, magnesium, aluminum, etc. with some vitamin C, confine it, stick a fuze in it and light it. those who don't believe it can function as an oxidizer might try holding it in their hand when they try this. Afterwards, their new nickname might just be "lefty". Vit C will also oxideze sodamide, and literally tens of thousands of other substances.
Absolute statements annoy me, since they're misleading. those who don't have the background can't recognize it and just believe these things. The blind leading the blind, both end up in a ditch, perhaps they can fall in love in that ditch and have blind children. That is the way of Nature. No real harm done, it serves a purpose; it just annoys me.- Re: Not just a rumor... ways_of_wisdom
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This is a reply to # 920,511We're talking about supplements and I'm sure you know the iron used in most supplements is metallic yet those who formulate them don't care about that and keep putting them together. I don't really know what you mean by different forms of vit. E because some people are referring to one tocopherol when the truth is that vit. E is a complex and any "forms" are really man-made (i.e., dl-alpha tocopheryl, esther E, etc.) but the one affected is d-alpha which is the one most people take.
If I had the time (but I simply do not right now) I'd try to look up who said that iodine and vit. C should not be taken together as I am sure it was not just an opinion coming from the media. In the Yahoo Iodine Group we have had the valuable contribution of some very knowledgeable people such as Dr. Sebastiano Venturi and Mark Sircus Ac., OMD and the moderators are pretty careful to not allow any misinformation regarding iodine to be propagated in the group so I doubt this came from the "media", if they had their way we would not be taking any supplements, period. I do have to admit that sometimes it's hard to make up my mind as to what to do because opinions even among "authorities" differ about a lot of things and that usually happens because research hasn't uncovered all the "facts" yet, so it's still up to us to decide what makes sense to each one of us.
Taking mega-doses of anything, especially in isolated forms, cannot be compared to the small quantities of naturally occuring substances which usually happen "surrounded" by nutrients which help in their utilization, so I don't find that reasoning applicable here. As for vit. C acting as an oxidizer, well, in it's pure form it's an acid and acids have that effect in the body, that's why I don't take ascorbic acid in more than 500 mg./day (if at all), the rest of my C I take in a buffered form.
In any case, you'd do well in sparing your b/p from rising by getting annoyed by this which is just a discussion about timing and I think it's up to the OP to decide what to do with my comments (I suggest to research the matter further...). As for myself, until I hear otherwise from a source that I can really trust I will continue to take them separately since it's no trouble for me to do so.- Re: Not just a rumor... #68716
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This is a reply to # 920,532no, the iron in most supplements, if not ALL supplements, is in the ferrous form, typically ferrous sulphate (copperas) Other forms are availabele, but much of it is the sulfate.
I have never seen ferric iron used in a supplement. Nor have I ever seen metallic iron used. I would be interested in leearning of the use of metallic iron or ferric iron, send a product name and I'll check the label.
My bp was 110/70 last week. Nothing you've written has caused any changes, but thank you for caring.
" As for vit. C acting as an oxidizer, well, in it's pure form it's an acid and acids have that effect in the body"
Not true necessarily. There are many acids which are reduciing in nature, hydriodic acid being one which comes to mind immediately.
If you don't know the source of the "info" that Iodine shouldn't be taken with vit. C, I think it is fine that you accept this as gospel, while simultaneously requiring a source you can trust, before you are willing to do the otherwise. That's human nature; and the choice is yours.
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This is a reply to # 920,676http://iodine4health.com/special/nutrients/vitamins/abraham_vitc.htm
Following 3 months on Vitamin C, the same test was repeated. The data presented in Fig. 2 revealed a normal profile of serum inorganic Iodide levels. Her baseline serum inorganic Iodide increased from 0.016 mg/L to 0.42 mg/L and she retained 50% of the Iodine load (49.2% recovered in 24 hr urine collection), compared to 10% of the load prior to supplementation with Vitamin C."
"To our knowledge, this is the first case report of a patient with evidence of a very defective retention mechanism for Iodine who was studied with serial serum Iodide levels prior to and following intervention. A combination of orthoiodosupplementation in amounts of Iodine the patients could tolerate and administration of the antioxydant Vitamin C via the oral route improved the performance of the iodine retention mechanism. Repair of a defective iodine cellular transport mechanism following orthoiodosupplementation combined with a complete nutritional program may explain our observation that in some cases a repeat loading test 3 months after orthoiodosupplementation resulted in a decreased percent load excreted instead of the expected increase. This explains why in some cases patients feel better on orthoiodosupplementation although the repeat loading test 3 months following orthoiodosupplementation reveals a greater retention of iodine and a drop in percent load excreted.
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This is a reply to # 920,964And in simple translation... anyone please???
Doesn't matter about the vit c???- Re: V, Dr. Abraham's research suppor... imalurnin
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- Re: V, Dr. Abraham's research suppor... ways_of_wisdom
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This is a reply to # 921,033I did a search at the Yahoo group and found a message from a member who is a patient of Dr. Jorge Flechas, she asked him several questions and one of them was about Vit. C. He said to take it in buffered form as the "regular C" (ascorbic acid) "would not have the same effect". He added that it (buffered C) could be taken with or near the iodine.
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This is a reply to # 920,676You're right, I made a mistake because I was too tired, the ferrous forms are the most used. However, although uncommon nowadays, ferric forms have been used, e.g. ferric citrate. Ferrous sulphate, the most commonly used form is not very absorbable. Ferrous gluconate, on the other hand, has been recommended by nutrionists as maybe the only one that can be taken together with Vit. E. I have a video clip of a demonstration by a Dr. Levy (sp?) showing how the iron in a common breakfast cereal can be separated by magnets just like (metallic) iron filings, the point being that that type of iron was bad for us but since I'm not a chemist and can't remember where I got that clip from (I did a search and found a similar video using "Total") I don't know the validity of that statement. On the other hand, knowing that the food industry's tendency is to use the cheapest ingredients I'm inclined to believe it after all.
Hey, I'm glad you have such great b/p that allows you to get annoyed "on demand"
, I'm just not quite that lucky, I get rattled and my adrenaline shoots it right up.
I did a search at the Yahoo group and found a message with questions asked to Dr. Jorge Flechas by one of his patients and one of them was about Vit. C. It appears at one time ascorbic acid may have been used, it didn't work so although I can't say for sure that's probably what started the assumption that it should not be taken with iodine. According to Dr. Flechas, buffered C is what should be taken because "regular C" will not do the job of repairing the NIS symporter so technically you are right again (goshdarnit, noooo
!) because buffered C can be taken together or near the time iodine is taken. But please keep in mind that many of us are new at this, perhaps that's the type all of you iodine "old-timers" have been taking all along (although I'm pretty sure I've seen a.a. mentioned more than once...) and take for granted that we "newbies" would catch on to the notion right away . But since I did not know this until now and have been taking a combo of buffered and a.a., I'm sure others don't either so as I see it this small and temporary disagreement has had a benefit after all. So the real issue should be which form of C to take and not when.
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This is a reply to # 924,537It's ok, there is a lot to this. I almost wrote you back a nice message saying much of the same you've written about the learning part, but was unable to do so at the time and got bogged with other stuff. Flechas is also a single data point. There are likely other important factors of which we're not aware concerning a given patient, such as, how much fluoride or partially-hydrogenated oils they've eaten, or how many Amalgam fillings they're toting around, or the presence of nickel-containing alloys in the body (bones) or how much whiskey they drink, their genetics, or tons of other stuff. But, we're all learning, every day. :)
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This is a reply to # 924,590Ah, we can communicate after all.
Yes, there is indeed a lot to this, I've been reading and reading all I can but there is always more and I'm sure this will go on indefinitely because as research advances there will be more to learn.
After I wrote my message I had a similar thought about the factors concerning using a.a. at all or not, perhaps it doesn't work on everybody due to individual conditions and variables such as those you mentioned. I imagine buffered C is preferred because results are more consistent. Shoot, personally if it weren't for all the objections I've read I myself would rather go with a.a. because it's so much cheaper and for that reason I still keep some at home, both in tablets and powder (which fortunately I can alkalize with baking soda but for now I'm taking Emergen-C most of the time). I suspect balance is probably the key.
And what is that about "almost wrote you back a nice message"? Even if it was "repetitious" I could've used a really "nice" message, I'm very much in need of nice in my life right now, you know...- Re: Not just a rumor... #68716
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This is a reply to # 924,606In mammals which make their own ascorbate in their liver, whenever they become physically or mentally stressed, their vit C production increases substantially, in some cases 15-fold. Lots of reasons for that, but the why is not as important as is the fact that it does occur. It is part of the body's stress management system. A person who is low on C may not handle stress well, and the body can be damaged from repeated stresses in a low C condition. The experts say that vitamin C is water soluble so you have to replenish it. This is mostly true, but the body does store some, depending upon the condition of the person's Schade pre-kidney organ.
Low ascorbate levels is why people become wrinkled. The skin loses elasticity due to reduced collagen replenishment ablity following free-radical damage. Keeping ascorbate levels high and eating a nominal amount of protein enhances collagen production, and actually helps the body maintain proper pH, even though many believe protein to be acid-generating and that ascorbic acid makes one acidic.
I'm glad you wrote back. It's also interesting that iron salts themselves exhibit magnetic behaviour. Tiny flecks of ferric and ferrous salts are influenced by a magnet visibly and I wouldn't view corn flake crumbs moving by a magnet to be a big deal, maybe need a magnifying glass and a strong magnet to see it. What is really cool, is synthesizing iron from carbon, as I've done with acetylene gas under the influence of a 15 kilovolt arc at reduced pressure. It's repeatable, and no PhD I've met has an answer, because they're not taught transmutation, just as they're not taught the Dayton Miller, Wilhelm Reich and others proved Einstein's theory to be bunk decades ago. Science has been largely religionized, and old notions are hard to shake, unless one has control over the money supply and news media.- Thanks... ways_of_wisdom
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This is a reply to # 924,615For taking the time. I have read all that about C, my problem is dealing with the different opinions of how much is "enough" and to me going by what other mammals make or need is not very relevant because humans are much more complex. Also, because I believe that God created man I also believe that He provided all that we needed to be healthy in our food and the real problems arose when we decided to do things "a la Frank Sinatra". I am well aware that with all the tampering we've done with the food chain and environment we've created all sorts of imbalances that can only be brought back to balance by adding large amounts of certain things... initially, not so sure for the long run, unless we continue to deal with circumstances that tax our bodies and make them require those amounts to maintain said balance.
Can I ask what is your occupation? Are you a chemist or something like that? I am one of those that disliked chemistry and physics when in high school, now I wish I'd paid more attention but it's been SO long that I would've forgotten most of it anyway, lol!
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This is a reply to # 924,628God provides necessities, but God also provides deficiencies. He allows poisons to be put into the food supply too. He also provides deficiencies of knowledge, to most everyone, at birth, but provides a sympathetic nervous system to enable breathing without thinking about it. The lack of the gulonolactone oxidase (sometimes called gluconolactone oxidase) enzyme necessary for ascorbate synthesis in most human's livers is believed by some to be a genetic defect, while others believe it to result from pre-partum Iodine deficiency by which the enzyme system is not permitted to fully develop. Just as in tadpoles who are starved of Iodine and never mature into frogs, but still retaining the ability to reproduce as tadpoles, so too the human body is capable of lower stages of development whilst having an appearance of "normalcy", especially in the absence of a higher standard by which to make a full and proper assessment. Most people can be more than they are, but that is something they need to realize for themselves. Many are born to be free, even though they were delivered into bondage. Getting out takes work.
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This is a reply to # 924,537As for form, I don't know what anyone else should take, only that I've taken D-ascorbic acid (not ester, and not buffered) at about 7 + grams daily since 1991, and smaller amounts prior to that time.
- Question... ways_of_wisdom
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This is a reply to # 924,607I have read for many years of specific reasons to take therapeutic doses of Vit. C and at first I was very excited with Linus Pauling's views but in time began to have doubts. I once tried a lot of C plus zinc at the beginning of a cold and succeeded in aborting it but the next times I tried it didn't work, to be honest I don't remember any particular benefit from taking all that C. Recently whenever I could remember I'd try to take at least 1g. because of my nasal allergy and it seemed to help but I'm still somewhat skeptical about much more than that. Even now it's been hard for me to remember to do the 3 g. because I wanted to have a reason why everyone should have "that much", so if you don;t mind my asking I'd like to know what has been your reason to have been taking all that C for all these years and , better yet, which tangible benefits have you derived from this (who knows, I may still change my mind!).
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This is a reply to # 924,617I don't know, the only way to know would be to go back in time and not take all that C, and then compare myself to meself. I don't have any wrinkles though, my skin is tight, an I feel like a 19 year old. I rode all the roller coasters at Geauga Lake in Aurora Ohio last week and my younger relatives thought I was a nut. Feel sorry for them a bit, they need to get their money's worth out of the admission fee more next time. Never had any performance problems and still wake up with a boner every day - Hah ! I'll take C as long as it's available.
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This is a reply to # 924,627So, how old are you? Errr, and you need a sound swat in the behind Mr V, for "info overload", like I needed to know how you wake up in the mornings!!!
You're talking here to a "circumstancially deprived" female, OK? I just hope your wife appreciates the gift that she's been given, hmmph!
Well, I'm 54 and don't really have wrinkles either but it's probably also good genetics, runs in the family, although a couple of years ago a teenager told me I looked better than my younger sister who is 5 years my junior, he, he! I have attributed my nice skin to always taking "enough" C but given the fact that I believe my adrenals went to pot, well, I probably did need more (but it could've been iodine, y'know...). Anyway, good ol' Adelle Davis explained the collagen bit in "Let's Get Well" so I hardly ever skipped a day of C (or E) just in case. However, for several months now I've been looking older, it's the darn puffiness I get with this hypothyroidism and my rather high carb intake (sorry, can't cut down now!). I know because every time I did Atkins my face transformed in 48 hours which I loved! But my last stint with it years ago slowed my metabolism to a crawl, then way later I read Induction doesn't provide sufficient carbs for thyroid hormone production... unknowingly I shot myself in the foot!
Initially I had a little more energy with Lugol's and my mood became brighter but it seems that as I increased I began to regress. I was almost thinking "what if there's any truth to iodine totally nuking a thyroid with Hashi's?" Never was officially diagnosed but the signs were all there... I decided that I'd rather continue to have impaired thyroid function than risk cancer so there's no turning back now (I'm at 75 mg. now and increasing a little more tomorrow, which is awesome considering I started with a very BAD reaction...). I'm hoping my feeling so listless may be in part due to bromine and heavy metals detox (for one, I used to have a mouthful of amalgams...). It doesn't help to have real problems with weak adrenals either. I'm too empathetic for my own good and today I found out that my favorite cousin has thyroid papillary carcinoma and her doctor wants to operate, of course. This right when my own mother is trying to recover from radiation from metastasis of b/c and barely 3 years since an uncle died of colon cancer. They live in another country where I don't think they've ever heard of Lugol's and because I need to at least apply for a passport I won't be able to go there for possibly three more weeks. It just made me so frustrated to think that she's already been through so much with PCOS, depression and several surgeries, and now this, all or most of which could've been avoided by IODINE, see? So even though when I do go I will be "armed" with Lugol's and a bunch of other supplements for them it may be too late, at least for my mother (but miracles do happen...) and to keep my cousin from losing yet another body part.
Well, I'm happy all that C is working for you!
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This is a reply to # 920,511either way, unless you got money to burn, one may consider taking supplements separately- just in case they can get burned up...imo
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This is a reply to # 920,475What happens in a human's digestive system is not what happens in a laboratory test; but I feel that Vitamin C is easily oxidized and would tend to keep it away from an oxidizing agent. I don't really know if this would make a difference in the Iodine therapy protocol; but it is cheap enough to take advantage of these agents in their original state as long as possible. It certainly cannot harm any more than it may not hurt. It helps me - psychologically. I tend to take Iodine separate from food too; because I know Iodine somehow reacts with starch. I prefer to give iodine a head start in whatever process it needs to get where ever it is supposed to without alteration.
Remembering that this is not what may happen in our bodies, in a controlled test of combining the two agents:
The iodine is reduced to iodide, and the vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is
oxidized to dehydroascorbic acid.
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This is a reply to # 920,435From the first week when the audios where still new I have been wondering about this.
I listened to all of them and came to the conclusion that the issue is with the buffering material used with Ester C (the recommended form of C) not the C itself.
I came to this conclusion because in one audio Dr. Flechas stated that he has patients that drop it into their grapefruit juice...
One of those posts should be on the first couple of pages on this forum, I hope.
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- Grapefruit juice? ways_of_wisdom
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This is a reply to # 920,625To me that's pushing it, g.j. is the one juice that interferes with the most things, like Rx drugs. so I'd be too afraid it would "mutate" if iodine is added, but of course, what do I really know about chemistry... or grapefruit juice? LOL!
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This is a reply to # 920,435So, I've read as much as I could search for on Lugol's and Orange Juice and still have not arrived at a conclusion. To OJ or not to OJ because of whatever Vit C is in the juice.
Let me frame this another way.... how do people take iodine? What is your method? I ask this because I mentioned coming across the initial messages to my wife about OJ being frowned upon and she looked at me like "oh no... no you don't. Make me drink something else really yucky."
Can people chime in and let us know how they ingest Iodine as part of the daily routine?
Personally, I don't have a problem with a little water and a few drops. As I've stated elsewhere, I am also a bit amazed at what's happened too. At first I couldn't believe how much my legs were cramping, twitching. This started a week or so after I began a Lugols regime. And ended up having many of the bromide detox symtoms, but I couldn't put it all together until a few weeks later. Now I look back and go 'holy cow' to all of those symptoms that are described. Futher, I've noted things like skin tags, fibroids, little age spots that I was developing over time... all dissolving. I had an ingrown hair while shaving a few weeks ago that would always result in nailing me a hard bump under the skin, a fatty mass that just develops post healing... well, it actually hasn't healed because it is a mass under the skin.... and can take sometime months to diminish. It was dissolved in a few days. THAT is when I really took note at how my skin and overall body was very different. Plus mental acuity. I need to sleep far less too. Amazing things happening. Eyes sharp, skin supple, sinuses clear as a bell... brain very, very active. Yup, darn sure there is something to this Iodine thing. Understated of course....
Anyhoo.... how do ya'll ingest Lugols? To make it palitable for the missus and not diminish its effectiveness?
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