Gallbladder Dysfunction, No Stones! ... 
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Ive been experiencing Gallbladder problems for almost two years now. when it first started i would cramp up easily when i did cardiovascular exercise then one night i had a severe attack i thought i was having a heart attack but Im only 25yrs old and a measly 150 lbs. My first attack happened on a full stomach i ate to much to fast then my second attack happened on a empty stomach i was confused, eventually my physician figured out it was my gallbladder refered me to GI specialist. i had a ultrasound and everything looked normal they said liver looked fine gallbladder looked normal no sign of stones and no sign of inflammation, then i had a Hida Scan this is when they determined that i had a low functioning Gallbladder.
i took samples of Nexium from my doctor for awhile for the unbearble pain then Protonix then insurance didnt cover that drug anymore so i went on Prilosec OTC eventually i got fed up with the all the PPI drugs and antacids i even stop taking asprin and focus on my diet to try correct the problem. I went on diet of mainly fruits and vegetables and herbal teas and apple juice for about a month this helped improve my symptoms greatly. for the past year and a half ive been able to tolerate pretty much any kind of food and my stool looks normal most of the time with the occasional constipation. Ive done two Liver Flushes drinking the olive oil didnt cause any strong reaction from my gallbladder like i thought it would, i thought all that fat would cause somekind of pain my first flush didnt produce any results i didnt even have bowel movement until late the day after the flush, the second flush produced the results the book(Andreas Moritz) said i would, but the doctors said i didnt have any stones so i was skeptical and my condition didnt improve.
though i may be able to tolerate bigger and sometimes fatty meals again i still have a persistent pain in my right shoulder all the time and swear i can feel something under my right rib and i can push on it and it pops back into place like a little airpocket inside me pushing on this doesnt really cause any pain the majority of my pain is in my shoulder.
most stuff on the internet it directed towards people with Gallstones and practically nothing for people with low functioning gallbladders Im losing hope and its starting to feel like a lose lose situation with or without surgery
Im angry, irritable, tired and depressed almost all the time and i cant seem to manage even the smallest amounts of stress and im affraid ill never feel 100% ever again im only 25 and i cant seem to enjoy the things i used to im experiencing a disinterest in practically everything.
sorry for the lengthy post but i thought some background information would be important for an accurate and appropriate response. Is there anything else i can do or should i just wait it out alittle more and do more liver flushes, i dont no how much longer i can put up with this crap.Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 882,849One thing to keep in mind is that it's possible to have Gallstones that aren't calcified and therefore not visible in ultrasound.
Gallbladder is triggered by intake of fatty foods and if pain is present when eating fatty acid meals it's possible that the gallbladder is trying to contract (as normal) but blockage may be present (or maybe misplacement/kinked duct).
Stomach acid production also triggers healthy liver/gallbladder function - taking ppi/antacids will greatly disturb not only protein digestion (requires acidic medium) but it cascades into improper fatty acid digestion if it impacts proper bile flow.
Anger is the emotion connected with the liver/gallbladder meridian so it emphasizes the need to focus on that area.
A couple things that may be useful can be thinning down the bile so that it flows properly - sludge accumulated from improper liver drainage can thicken the bile and trigger gallbladder issues. Juice from red beet leaves is used to accomplish this (also contained in A-F Betafood by Standard process).
The likely fatty acid deficiency due to ongoing liver/glabladder needs to be addressed so you may want to consider taking some bile salts (like cholacol by SP) or emulsified EFAs/oil soluble vitamins for rapid absorption.
Also the usage of ppi's propably disrupted stomach acid production so it's possible that you suffer from protein maldigestion (and subsequently aminoacid deficiency).
Digestive enzymes and additional HCl when needed can help improve overall digestion.
Liver Flushes are likely helpful if blockage is suspected. A combination of herbs can help detoxify the liver (I personally like Xymogen Medcaps DPO ingredient combination).
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This is a reply to # 882,938i thought it could have been because of thick bile to and was moving to slow or an over concentration of it and its infecting my gallbladder by staying in there to long, but ive been drinking plenty of clear fruit juices consistently and regularly drinking dandilion root tea and taking a fiber supplement i even tried a juice fast for a couple days, my new thing now that i was gonna start is a regime of 1 or 2 tbs. of coconut oil everyday(because i heard this is an easily digestable fat), turmeric, liver complex pills(containing a combo of dandilion, milk thistle and turmeric) and continue drinking my herbal teas i guess i could try and add this bile salt stuff to it.
but im afraid of getting to carried away with these herbal treatments as i also found something called Celandine(Chelidonium majus) which got me real excited because it was being describe to help with the exact symtoms i was having shoulder pain.
so i took it for one day but did futher research and found articles talking about how it can cause acute hepatitis needless to say i stopped taking it right away
i think im gonna return to the hospital for another ultrasound and maybe an endoscopy since its been two years now i need to see what the heck is going in there if anything has change. i even had a small bowel test done which showed nothing wrong.
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This is a reply to # 882,849I Have your exact symptoms you describe! I, too have been trying to look for info about the gallbladder besides Gallstones because my tests were normal. I am as frusterated as you are and I too have a kind of faint constant pain and gassy feeling on the right part of my abdomen. When I press on it, it feels just liek you describe without pain. I am a 22 yr old male and am in good shape. I dont know much of what to do either, my doc says I can do the gallbladder surgery if I want and he seems to support me doing it so I may do it. It is not as bad as I thought, they just make 4 small incisions and suck the gallbladder out. If you get it done early in the morning, you can be checked out of the hospital by that afternoon. Chances are, its probably the only way for you to totally relieve your symptoms. Later on in life you will probably have Gallstones as a result of a low functioning gallbladder and you will have to get your gallbladder taken out. Good luck buddy, I feel your pain!
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Dont do it! The gallbladder is so necessary for good digestion ! Without it you will suffer from all kinds of problems from diarrhea to diabetis! The proper function of the gallbladder is to release bile a very important part of digesting and breaking down foods for the nutritional value you get from them! Do your research first before you make this huge decision!- Re: Gallbladder Dysfunction, No Ston... autotronic
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surgery is a last resort for me, im gonna tough this out for as long as i can im not ready to give up one my body parts. a low functioning gallbladder sounds better than no gallbladder. i believe my pain may be a result of muscle spasms in the bile ducts and gallbladder region, i dont wanna live the rest of my life with impaired digestion ive came across other messages on this board with people that have similar situations saying that it could take a little more than 10 Liver Flushes to allievate the shoulder pain and get the gallbladder back on track.
i personally feel that my gallbladder pain is a result of something else going on and i would be extremely pissed off if i got surgery and the pain still persisted cause than what would i do.
im determined to keep my gallbladder.
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This is a reply to # 882,849I have experienced similar pain to that in your shoulder, in the upper right quadrant of my abdomen for nearly 2 years. Dull pain for me. Mostly a 2 or 3 and not much beyond a level 5 on a scale to ten, but persistent for hours at a time, or at days. The pain usually comes on a while after fatty meals, and is certainly aggrivated for days after high stress levels (from things like moving across the country and remodeling a house by myself). Citrus, especially in drinks, seems to cause a very immediate response of pain in the same location.
I had an ultrasound showing no stones over a year ago. I did a Liver Flush with apple juice for a week, and olive oil and lemon juice to flush. It seemed to work and greatly reduced the frequency and strength of the pain for a few weeks. I have also used Beet Root Extract with good success in reducing the discomfort, especially when I pay attention to my stress level and what I am eating, and supplement with Beet Root accordingly.
As I am in the final stretch of our home renovation, I have gone back to the doctor to get another opinion and see if they think this is really Gallbladder related. In contrast to my previous doctor who wanted to schedule a surgery a week after the first appointment (obviously I declined), my current doctor and the GI specialist do not think it is a gallbladder issue. I was a bit put off at the notion of it being gas, as it is so specific in location and timing, and since it has persisted for nearly two years in varying degrees. I have another Ultrasound tomorrow morning. I half would like them to find stones just to know there is something real I can battle.
The quality of life is the issue for me. The house remodel is huge, and there will naturally be stress, but the level of near anxiety is frightening at times. I have never experienced such a sense of lacking confidence. My stomach churns quite often and it is tough to know if it is stress, or further health issues from the pain the stress is causing in my side. I can certainly relate to emotions like anger feeling they have more hold on you than you are used to.
I will report back with any new information I get from the doctor that might give direction, but just now, I am feeling the information here is more realistic in trying to diagnose and cope with these Gallbladder related issues than the doctor is.
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just an update, yeah im still in pain alot of the remedies ive found on the internet havent really done anything. i came across a website called
http://www.earthclinic.com
that has testomonials from people with one saying apple cider vinegar help cleared up sluggish gallbladder and another one saying coconut oil help with a sluggish gallbladder. I took apple cider vinegar 1-2 tbs in 8oz of water 2-3 times a day for two weeks straight and no change in how i feel in fact it had no affect on me at all. ive been using coconut oil for awhile now i use about 2 tbs a day sometimes i take it straight but i mostly use it in smoothies which tastes great i really love my coconut oil it seems to really energize me it makes me feel good but it doesnt help my symptoms. oh well, i think ive read almost every website i could find about my condition im running out of ideas.
can anybody post some links to other messages on this forum where somebody recovered from a problem similar to mine.
is there anyway i can edit my original post so it can show up in the Liver Flush support board as well.
thanks for all your responses.
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This is a reply to # 882,849I am new to this as I have been having a steady discomfort under my rib for 2 weeks. Feels like a bruise that someone pokes anytime they feel like. All tests are normal and I did a Liver Flush yesterday with lots of tiny green floaters-biggest one size of chick pea. But I feel the same. Interesting thing is I also have the feeling of something hanging under my rib cage and poping. When my dr palpated my abdomin it popped for her and she said "What was That?!"
I just thought---you tell me...
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This is a reply to # 882,849one word - lecithin. get some lecithin granules, and start taking them. they break up and release stored fat in the gallbladder and liver, so help to get them moving better. it has helped me quite a bit, and i've read other testimonials, i belive on the Liver Flush Forum , which is what got me on to them. i have done 4 Liver Flushes over the years with varying degrees of success, but still had some gallbladder issues, and this has helped.
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Ive also read some stuff on here about lecithin and other message boards concerning digestive health. any particular brand you would reccommend?, i have done 5 Liver Flushes with minimal results(like a couple dozen small green globs) i believe the amount of green globs you get are an indication of how much bile is present in your intestines, the dilemma is how are you suppose to clean your gallbladder if its not contracting strong enough to push anything out. I think my problems with my gallbladder are a result of a high protien diet and eating to fast when i was under stress.- Re: Gallbladder Dysfunction, No Ston... kalinine
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This is a reply to # 953,214I have the same exact problem - for 3 years now. The pain is excruciating at times for me. I've been vegan for a long time, and every doctor tells me that no vegan gets this problem! Ugh. I've been drinking Dandy Blend for 6 months now. I used to have an attack after eating ANY fat, or during natural hormone shifts (ovulating, etc.). And they were bad attacks. I called 911 more than once, thinking I was dying. Since drinking the Dandy Blend, I've had a few minor attacks, but nothing like they used to be. I definitely don't think it's a cure, but can help until something better comes along.
www.dandyblend.com
I buy it at Herbs etc, but I'm sure there are other stores that sell. It has beet and dandelion root in it, and actually tastes pretty good!
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Hey kalinine if it makes you feel better my brother has been a vegan for years and also suffers from a painful gallbladder... but he also has high blood pressure. One thing that ties it all together for him is he is often angry/agitated/annoyed by others, and anger is related to the gall bladder meridian.
From The Journey to Radiant Health By Prema Key, Prema Scott Key
"The gall bladder is considered to be the official in charge of judgements and decisions. The gall bladder is in a central position to receive and release toxins. Thus, it is influential in promoting a state of calm and a sense of well-being. This is important because anger is the most toxic emotion, and excessive and unmanaged anger greatly damages your health and well-being."
Also wondering if you or the OP have done any kind of parasite cleanse?
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This is a reply to # 882,849I am new to this site and just read everyones posts. It's helpful to read people that are going thru the same thing. I've been having gallbladder issues for over 2 years now. I'm 28 yr old female. I have a constant pain on my right side... it shifts from under my rib to inside my shoulder blade to the spot on my back where my gallbladder is. I feel soreness when I twist my rib cage. It's as if there is some kind of pressure on my right side at all times.
Every test I've done has come back with perfect results (cat scan, ultra sound, endoscopy). However, I did a HIDA scan twice and both times it showed that my gallbladder is lazy. I always have indigestion which is very frustrating. I never know what to eat b/c I'll either have pain, indigestion, gas or stomach cramps. I've had a few different opinions and not one doctor can tell me if it's my gallbladder 100%. Although all my symptoms are gallbladder related, the only thing they can go off of is my HIDA scan. I'm afraid if I have surgery the pain/symptoms will still be there. I do feel that I've ruled out everything else so I don't know what else it could be.
I'm not trying acupuncture but still don't feel a difference. Over the past two years it's definitely gotten much worse. I'd like to get pregnant soon by my OBGYN said if I go into pregnancy with gallbladder issues, it'll be a nightmare and I wouldn't be able to do anything until I had the baby. He said to take care of it before even thinking of getting pregnant. I'm just so confused. I don't know what to do. Should I have the surgery? What if it doesn't help? Is there anything I can do to help improve the function? Should I try a liver flush? - Re: Gallbladder Dysfunction, No Ston... #120479
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I too have pain under my right rib cage that radiates around my rib cage and through to my back behind my right rib cage. Most interesting is I sometimes feel as though there is a small air pocket under my ribs (I even told the doctor this).
I'm a 37 yo 215 lb male with elevated cholesterol and have had this for several years. Its seems to be getting worse. I've had several ultrasounds and a CT scan. No stones have been found.
I've been a marijuana smoker on and off for 25 years. I've found it hurts more when I smoke. Pot smoking leads to an unhealthy diet, so it could be that or possibly the dehydration. If I drink a ton of water and don't smoke, it gets a little better. I'm a programmer and spend the majority of the day behind a computer holding the mouse in my right handed, so there may be a link there. Sometimes exercise and stretching seems to help. However, nothing has every made the pain truly go away for more than a week.
I also have gerd and an endoscopy a couple years ago found lesions in my esophagus.
Any updates on this?
Thank you.
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This is a reply to # 1,492,808I have many of these issues that you speak of! Docs say my gallbladder looks good...normal blood tests, ultrasound...I am 26, healthy, female...so frustrating! I have basically self diagnosed...gluten allergy. I have cut out gluten for the last month still have some pain but I feel wayyyy better! I snuck gluten in a few times and had diarrhea :( I am now trying to cut out lactose and see if it helps further. I def recommend cutting out gluten to see if it helps you! Goodluck!
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This is a reply to # 2,054,817I have been gluten free for 3 years and just started having the same symptoms as everyone here in the past month. I cannot sneak glutten, it makes me very sick.
The feeling of having a ping pong ball stuck under my right lower rib cage is annoying- sometimes painful- but never feels like a severe attack.
All tests are normal: blood work, stool samples, xrays, ultrasound. Going for HIDA in a couple weeks and I'm afraid it will also be normal. I feel like my doctor doesn't quite believe me.
He thought I had constipation, which I didn't think I had until he gave me fiber pills and now I go a lot more and more frequently than I used to. The pain and uncomfortable feeling after eating has not resolved with the fiber pill. So my guess is... it is not constipation that is causing this.
Have anyone's issues resolved with gallbladder surgery? Any success out there? Did anyone have the surgery even though the tests were all normal and it turned out your gut instinct was right and your gallbladder was the cause?Advertisement
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