I agree it is all to often we let man decide our fate when it isnt are right to decide. We have all heard of homcide in county hospital settings due to love one be persudaded by staff to ”relieve the patients pain” or what ”best for the patient” when all thats needed is quality intervention or prayer with faith. So what a sad thing when these lies interfere with are emotions to do the ”right” thing. We should learn from these events to use sound judgement we dealing with these complex issues.   [End]
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This is the real Walter In FL Not all these posts this forum are not my posts. Just come to the Topix Terri Schiavo Forum were you read my and others’ real truths posted. http://www.topix.com/forum/news/terri-schiavo   [End]
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My Summary of the Terri Schiavo Tragedy Terri Schiavo’s parents Robert and Mary Schindler were not concerned in Terri’s interest or wishes. Their concern was with Terri’s Medical-Malpractice (Med-Mal) suit award (1993) for their livelihoods and retirements. Both Bob Sr. and Mary Schindler knew Terri’s true non-recoverable condition from the same doctors that told Michael Schiavo. The Schindlers were surprised when they were informed that THEY would not receive any of the Medical-Malpractice (Mel-Mal) award. Bob Schindler Sr. became very obsessed about not getting any of the Med-Mal awar ...
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The Schindlers’ Legal Expense Scam and Terri Schiavo Videos Scam The Schindlers were requesting public donations to pay for their legal expense which was already being paid by other rich foundations. Currently all four of the Schindlers’s livelihoods and retirements are now being provided by those donations of millions of dollars, which they are still requesting donations to their Terri Schindler Foundation and to which they are all employed. This was/is another fraud on these public donors. From the Terrifight.org Web Site http://www.terrisfight.org/ during the court battles: “Te ...
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Suzanne Schindler Carr Vitadamo Mairal History Boohil wrote on 11/15/2007 Actually, it is Mary Schindler’s attempt to sanitize daughter Suzanne’s dicey marital history that is one of my favorite flat-out lies in the Schindlers’ ”Terri” book. On page 85, Mary writes (referring to early February 2000), ”Suzanne was a stockbroker for TD Waterhouse by day and a wife and mother at night.” Not true. Suzanne Schindler Carr and her first husband, Daniel, were divorced on 2/29/96 in Palm Beach County, FL. Apparently feeling no great loss in his life, Daniel Carr remarried on 11/30/96...9 m ...
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Operative word = pathetic   [End]
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There is only one group pathetic enough to keep this tragic event in discussion, the loony liberal left of course! Why am I not surprised?   [End]
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I and few other idiots are still arguing as if it happening today. I’m just surfing around looking for other idiots still arguing. Stop by the URL: http://www.topix.com/forum/news/terri-schiavo and have a look if you need a laugh.   [End]
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 >>>> For the rest of you who disagree with the rulings: You’ll get over it or you won’t. It will not change…! So making your falsehoods and slanderous remarks and statements is moot. Hopefully ALL ARE HAPPY! .........................Terri Schiavo Case is HISTORY! It Ended on March 31, 2005...........................................THE END <<< I don’t know where in the Sunshine State you are Walt, but frankly I find it extremely bizzare that this forum, which hasn’t been used since the whole Terri fiasco, suddenly comes back to life with som ...
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LifeSiteNews.com Bobby Schindler Reveals Shocking Support by Catholic Clergy for Sister’s Euthanasia Killing By Steve Jalsevac Friday December 14, 2007 Bobby Schindler, the brother of Terri Shiavo, the young woman who was dehydrated to death in Florida in 2005, has become a prominent opponent of euthanasia since that wrenching time for his family. In a recent Challenge magazine interview with Alex Schadenberg of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition, Schindler revealed the shocking details of the support from many prominent Catholic clergy for the court ordered removal of food and ...
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No Proof or Evidence at All If the Schindlers, their lawyers or their supporters had ANY EVIDENCE of ANY ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES, I’m sure they would have been presented it to the proper law enforcement by now, instead of posting false statements on forums and other web sites. This proves their agenda is only to vilify Michael Schiavo with slanderous and libelous remarks of falsehoods. So the real fact is they only have the same accusations, allegation and blatant falsehoods to repost ad nauseam and ad infinitum. What delusional fools would continue when they cannot change HISTORY? I’ ...
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In Remembrance On March 31 “ International Day of Prayer and Remembrance for Terri Schindler Schiavo of every year all good Catholics should send $100 their Church in memory of Terri Schiavo. With their prayers and remembrance of the Schindlers’ , the RTL, RR, CC, and the Schindlers supporter attempt to deny a dying woman’s rights of Self-Determination to control and choose her own life and death. For the remembrance of the unconstitutional actions of the U.S. President George W. Bush, the U.S. Congress, the Governor John Ellis Bush, the State of Florida’s Legislature. For the ...
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FLORIDA CATHOLIC CONFERENCE COMMENTARY http://www.flacathconf.org/Publications/Commentaries/Comm1290.htm VOLUME 10, NUMBER 3 / December 1990 In Re: Guardianship of Estelle M. Browning Summary of the Estelle Browning decision. The right to ”choose or refuse medical treatment” and to make ”all medical choices” is part of Florida’s constitutional right of privacy. All persons have this right whether competent or incompetent. Any treatment, including life prolonging procedures, can be withdrawn at any time, regardless of terminal illness, imminent death or incapacity. T ...
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John Ellis Bush In Breach of Public Trust For Violation of Oath of Office In his conduct while Governor of the State of Florida, John Ellis Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of Governor of the State of Florida and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitutions of the United States and of the State of Florida, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has willfully corrupted and manipulated the legislative and judicial processes of the State of Florida and of t ...
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Dude, if I was worried about Bush’s complicity it would not be about 1 brain dead woman no my worry would be about 30 000 dead Iraquis civilians. The thousands in Africa dying of AIDS because WH is against condoms.... the list of inhumanity goes on....   [End]
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This guy is a troll. He did the same thing in the abortions debate forum. He goes in and spews insane venom at liberals then leaves. He’s a wacko!   [End]
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Bluepastry-You really ought to do some research before you spew such trash.Terri was murdered while both bush brothers sat back and did nothing.Both had the power to stop it but neither did a thing.This makes them just as accountable as the rest of the monsters who who murdered this young woman.I know this because I did everything in my power to try stop it.The rudest and most addimant about the situation was the office of jeb bush himself.And ironically,the days prior to Terri’s death the public lines to the white house were either blocked or changed without a follow-up number.   [End]
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Thats the most bigoted and paranoid thing I have ever heard!   [End]
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funnt tha the left would think that terris so cqalled husband who had sex with another woman while married to terri and had two kids, then divorced terri would still ahve a say over her body. this is how scary the left in our nation is. what would the left say if terri left her husband because she was a lesbian and then went into a coma? the left would be up in arms that her husband would have any say. it is a joke...it was not aboutterri for the left itwas about opposing Christian and the prsident..How sad   [End]
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I agree with what red planet did so i am going to do the same. ”I’ve taken care to point out the broad political implications in the matter of Terri Schiavo. ”Of laws, not of men” is a robust description of the government most folks would prefer to live under, but when ours doesn’t measure up, we feel more personal things too. So, leave the precise political ponderings for another day; I am here a son of America and the grandfather of our brain-injured Ryan, speaking from the dismay in my heart: ---You have a brain-injured grandson? Is he ina a vegatative state and still alive? If so ...
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Exactly, You know when I would see her on tv she really didn’t look like a ”vegetable” at least not from my point of view. She looked alert and seemed to smile perhaps from lack of muscle tone in her face, I just feel bad for everyone involved in this mess.   [End]
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I gotta wonder why on earth did she collapse and suffer massive brain damage? No heart attack No eating disorder What could it have been? Almost twenty years after the incident in question it would be hard to tell as the bruising and temporary tissue damage would be healed. Someone doesn’t just collapse and suffer brain damage for no apparent reason! I also find it odd that many of you believe the doctors like they are trusted friends when it regards Terri Schiavo, but when it comes to your own health or the health of a loved one you all are suddenly leery of the doctors’ ...
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Schiavo Autopsy Shows Massive Brain Damage AP - 14 minutes ago LARGO, Fla. - An autopsy on Terri Schiavo backed her husband’s contention that she was in a persistent vegetative state, finding that she had massive and irreversible brain damage and was blind, the medical examiner’s office said Wednesday. It also found no evidence that she was strangled or otherwise abused. But what caused her collapse 15 years remained a mystery. The autopsy and post-mortem investigation found no proof that she had an eating disorder, as was suspected at the time, Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Jon Thog ...
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unfortunately in this twisted world the right to life becomes the right to death (and in some situations the obligation to die perhaps)   [End]
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Mis-informed and cold hearted as well. Mis-informed and cold hearted as well. AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank God not everyone is this COLD & HEARTLESS !!!   [End]
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There is a deeper issue here and it is not the emotional heart rending ”right to live” smokescreen. Her death is a personal tragedy that should have never become the demeaning political sideshow that it did - but it did and nothing we do can change that. The attack on the very foundations of our Constitution is a public tragedy. We could not stop the first. We must stop the second. Never before has our government written a law for only one person. There are laws that were inspired by what happened to one, but they have an effect on the population, NOT ONE PERSON. Now they are making c ...
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I heartily agree with Red plants counter points. How can so many people pass judgement on someone they don’t even know. I guess someone people need a drum to bang on to further their own parade. Interestingly I did not hear any mention of how she got into the state she was in. If it was due to an eating disorder that explains a lot about her life doesn’t it. People don’t starve themselves for no reason. Interestingly again it happened to her twice didn’t it? Did the courts just carry out the path she was on when she first went into this comma? I think her parents are very selfi ...
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I heartily agree with Red plants counter points. How can so many people pass judgement on someone they don’t even know. I guess someone people need a drum to bang on to further their own parade. Interestingly I did not hear any mention of how she got into the state she was in. If it was due to an eating disorder that explains a lot about her life doesn’t it. People don’t starve themselves for no reason. Interestingly again it happened to her twice didn’t it? Did the courts just carry out the path she was on when she first went into this comma? I think her parents are very selfi ...
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Have any of you read ”The Diving Bell and the Butterfly” written by a Frenchman using only his left eyelid! Amazing. Who knows just what is going on in someone’s mind even though they cannot respond in ways that make sense to us. From Amazon:- http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0007139845/qid=1112893554/sr=8-6/ref... On December 8, 1995, Jean-Dominique Bauby’s life was forever altered when a part of his body he’d never heard of--his brain stem--was rendered inactive. The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, his exquisitely painful memoir, is neither a triumphant account of recove ...
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PS: Sorry, ”coma” was the wrong choice of word here. It was some kind of paralysis. But you get what I mean......   [End]
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Have any of you read ”The Diving Bell and the Butterfly” written by a Frenchman in a coma using only his left eyelid! Amazing. Who knows just what is going on in someone’s mind even though they cannot respond in ways that make sense to us. From Amazon:- http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0007139845/qid=1112893554/sr=8-6/ref... On December 8, 1995, Jean-Dominique Bauby’s life was forever altered when a part of his body he’d never heard of--his brain stem--was rendered inactive. The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, his exquisitely painful memoir, is neither a triumphant account ...
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Lest we not forget that we are all eternal souls.   [End]
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The comparison to Joan of Arc being a poor example notwithstanding, all the other questions in the article are valid. Just not from your perspective on things.   [End]
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I sincerely believe that you are mis-informed. I sure hope you never find yourself in a situation that gives the courts power and rights to make heavily biased decisions regarding your life.   [End]
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Seems to me America now has its own Joan of Arc. In the mid-1400s, the Maid of Orleans, a young French girl who felt she had heard from God, was publicly burned at the stake after being found guilty of heresy. And now a beautiful young woman named Terri Schiavo has been publicly and slowly executed in America on charges that amount to hearsay. I suspect that, in years to come, people looking back will feel the same sorrow and disbelief at Terri’s death as they felt for young Joan’s, centuries ago. Both deaths were incomprehensible and unforgivable. Serious question number one: Did Terri e ...
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Excellent article.  It asks many of the same questions I was asking all along. Look like a good website also.  Gracias.   [End]
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  America’s Joan of Arc Pat Boone Wednesday, April 6, 2005 I’ve taken care to point out the broad political implications in the matter of Terri Schiavo. "Of laws, not of men" is a robust description of the government most folks would prefer to live under, but when ours doesn’t measure up, we feel more personal things too. So, leave the precise political ponderings for another day; I am here a son of America and the grandfather of our brain-injured Ryan, speaking from the dismay in my heart: Seems to me America now has its own Joan of Arc. In the mi ...
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americans are poisoned and under a spell. they are walking, talking idiots. they have no roots, only branches, ever reaching, screaming give, give, give! a wind will come someday.   [End]
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Thank you for recommending the NUCCA method. Actually, after he had been suffering over a year and a half, two people did recommend NUCCA. I did bring my husband for treatments. They were very gentle and kind. It did help him some, that is for sure. They also adjusted my youngest for his constant ear infections (he had already seen regular chiropractors). It helped him incredibly - his ear infections went down significantly. He’s out of adjustment again, but the NUCCA doctor we were seeing is very expensive, and our insurance doesn’t cover it. It is also several hours away.  But, I am ...
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Thank you for recommending the NUCCA method. Actually, after he had been suffering over a year and a half, two people did recommend NUCCA. I did bring my husband for treatments. They were very gentle and kind. It did help him some, that is for sure. They also adjusted my youngest for his constant ear infections (he had already seen regular chiropractors). It helped him incredibly - his ear infections went down significantly. He’s out of adjustment again, but the NUCCA doctor we were seeing is very expensive, and our insurance doesn’t cover it. It is also several hours away.  But, I am ...
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Now I just don’t believe there are ”powers” that are trying to destroy america with the Terri Schiavo case. I believe that there are some folks who feel very strong, maybe identify with the people involved. The person posting as wrenn sees herself in the same place as Ms. Schiavo, because she herself has had a brain injury. She feels like allowing Ms. Schiavo to die is the same as letting her die. I also could see myself in Ms. Schiavo’s place, only I have the oppisite fear, I fear someone would keep me alive, when I believe death is very natural, and being hooked up to a machine is totall ...
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the things that endure are faith and hope and love. The Powers That Be are trying to destroy peoples ability to possess those things in themselves. the anarchy is not about individual strength, but about keeping us from being close to one another, trusting one another, helping one another, cooperating with one another and being strong because of it. the evil one is a roaring lion. lions pick away at the herd one individual at a time, starting with the weakest. the old lion roars and the herd goes the opposite way, into the jaws of the young lions who are silently waiting. it is all a ...
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Again trapper, I think I’m missing your point. What is TPTB? How does anarchy fit into this?   [End]
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you werent rude.  you have just been butting heads with cointelpro.  this operation was designed to discredit marriage and the family unit.  there is not supposed to be a good answer here.  it is supposed to divide and confuse us, cause contention and strife.  9/11 would have been as good an operation as this, but people didnt care as much, so they let it slip by.  TPTB did see what they could get away with, and that seems to be a lot..  the real message here?  anarchy.  its every man and woman for themselves.  that is what is being instill ...
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Come on now, if you want everyone to agree with you all the time don’t post messages on the debate forums. Honestly, I really don’t care if you care. You posted a message here in the debate forum, I felt compelled to respond, isn’t that how it works? I didn’t mean to come off as rude. I apologize. What I ment to say is that we are a multitude of strangers to this family projecting our own feelings on to them. I know I am. I feel a certain way. I’m sure you know how that is. Therefore, I belive Terri’s wish would be the oppertunity to have a natural passing. But, I don’t know, I’m s ...
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Gee - why do you care to be so rude? You don’t know the Schindlers or Schiavo’s either - why do you care? I’ll tell you why I care.  Because this one case could become precedent for thousands of other cases.  Do you know anything about case law?  Thousands of legal issues are decided because of past cases that relate.  I care because I feel for the Schindlers and I feel for myself and the others that this case affects. Why do you care that I care? Gee...get off my back! ©†ƒ……•™¼‡_Original_Message_¾€š½ž¢«»¬ï°© Gee - why do ...
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When you marry, you are to bind yourself together as a family. Decisions are made within the new family unit. How many decisions do you expect ought to descend to the parents instead of the married unit? In lack of a good decision, should your parent’s decide where you live? What schools your children go to? The names of your children? Don’t dismiss this as ridiculous, there are cultures where parents retain these sorts of rights into adulthood and marriage. You may not LIKE the decisions of the husband. But to support an attack on the married state in general, by supporting ...
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You are projecting your feelings on to the situation. You only THINK Terri’s parents should make the final call. My point is you really know nothing about any of the Schiavo/Schlinder issue. Terri has died, no one cares what you think. And why on earth would they, YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW ANY ONE OF THEM. So why continue to speculate?   [End]
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You have raised a very valid question! How could a judge know? How would a husband know? (that had been married to her for a short time) Wouldn’t her bio family know best? Especially since they knew her the longest and had deep family bonds??!! ©†ƒ……•™¼‡_Original_Message_¾€š½ž¢«»¬ï°© You have raised a very valid question! How could a judge know? How would a husband know? (that had been married to her for a short time) Wouldn’t her bio family know best? Especially since they knew her the longest and had deep family bonds??!!   [End]
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Doesn’t matter if he has her best intersts at heart. I don’t agree, but regardess of if I did SHE MARRIED HIM. At the point she married him (or vice versa if they case happened to be) she decided to grant him the power of custody/estate/etc in her life if she was incapable of doing so herself. Let me paint a picture for you of the consequence of what the state tried to do, with the religious right-wing waving pom-poms on the side. If a husband has an affair, he has invalidated his marriage regardless of what the wife may know. Now, if at any time the state has need of something ...
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All right. I just have to say one more thing about this Terri Schaivo thing. Why on earth do people who have NEVER MET ANYONE in that family think they know anything, ANYTHING at all about anyone of them. All we know is what we read on the internet, read in the news paper or hear on TV. Please. How can anyone really know anything? Especially enough to form an opinion about something so serious. I simply can’t believe it’s a good vs. evil scenario. I just want to say YOU DON’T REALLY KNOW. None of us do.   [End]
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No-one is being a man hater. If the tables were turned and it was a wife seeking to kill off her husband by starvation and dehydration it would be just as disgusting to me. The thing that bothers me most is that Michael Schiavo didn’t have Terri’s best interests in mind or at heart. He has been carrying on in a relationship with another woman for the past 10 years. And two children have been the fruit of that relationship. How could he have Terri’s best interests in mind? Did he care? How could he claim to love Terri as a husband should love his wife? He couldn’t have lov ...
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maybe all you whiney manhaters would rather he had conjugal visits with her instead? the family is nearly destroyed, it is clear. what have i done bringing children into this screwed up world???????   [End]
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SECULAR MARIAGE   [End]
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50% of the population’s marriages are then in jepardy of the state intervening on them due to extramarital affairs. The contract broken. Good idea. Glad to see you’ve thought this out.   [End]
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A Star Is Born: Christian-style American Idol sets up camp outside of Terri Schiavo’s hospital (Knight-Rider) -- Terri Schiavo has been dead for three days, but hundreds of supporters remain outside of the Florida resting place where the Right-to-Life cause celebre spent her final days. The rest of America may have moved on, but the people here haven’t. It’s not grief that has the crowds on their knees praying. It’s not the hope that a miracle will bring Terri back to them. It’s a chance to become one of the 12 contestants on the new PTL TV reality show Bethlehem Star, an American Id ...
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Actually the real attack on marriage is Mr. Schiavo thinking he could have a ”wife” on the side and two children and also think he could still have full benefits to Terri’s life. Now that is sad a REAL threat to marriage. In any other legal union/contract, the ”contract” would be null and void due to the fact that the basis on which the contract is founded have been violated to the extreme. Te other attack was on family! Why should anyone have the power to dictate who will be at another’s bedside during death? And, please remember that there was no living will, no will nothing ...
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Terri Schiavo’s Body 1963-2005 Terri Schiavo 1963-1990 Found this editorial in the newspaper today.... Editorial | Terri Schiavo Prayer, not politics A few prayers on the occasion of Terri Schiavo’s passing: Above all, may her spirit rest in peace. May her parents find strength and solace inside their grief - from their strong faith and from the many friends who have rallied to their side in this ordeal. May her husband also be given space to grieve as he should, and to move past the abuse he has received without bitterness or reprisal. May her funeral be the di ...
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If I was in such a state, I would want my husband to find love. If my husband had a mistress, he is still my husband until we are parted by legal means or death. Nor does that arugment in any way interupt the fact a marriage is a marriage is a marriage, and the state should not be in the business of deciding if my marriage is a marriage. They can regulate the concept of marriage, they can tax, they can use it for defining legal custody and all matters OF THE STATE. But my marriage I enter into of my own violition. The state has no say but to grant me a legal certificate. Nor shou ...
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YES! And what consideration did he give to ’family values’ when he denied her Mother/Father access and visiting rights?   [End]
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” A marriage is the union of two adults that have tied themselves together legally, monetarily, morally, and often genetically.” Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Mr Schiavo take up with another woman and together they sired two children while he was still ’legally, monetarilly (insurance payout), morally,’ married to Terri?   [End]
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No, it isn’t gay marriage. It is all the people in the Schiavo case attacking the very basis of the union of marriage. If they succeeded, they would have taken the final say about all matters legal and shorn it from you and your partner. All the people ”fighting for Terri” are all likely family values people, and aren’t even aware that they have participated in one of the worst attacks on marriage I’ve ever seen. When I married my husband, I decided then that I would tie myself to him legally and he to me. In matters that I have not written on, I leave my decisions to him and he ...
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That’s beautiful! Lady Death is an inseparable part of LIFE. The circle dance of life includes death as much as the cycle of linear time includes night as well as day. Terri Schiavo’s death, as tragic as it was, has much to teach us all about life as well as death. It’s not a death cult or the worship of death to acknowledge what lessons this has to teach, it’s the embrace of the opposites to realize the whole. To be willing to die to the past, to old habits, old thoughts, old patterns allows us to fully live each moment. Thank you for sharing that.   [End]
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I agree with everything you’ve said Charville. Our times are changing... And by the way, you mentioned assisted suicide, don’t know if you are aware that Judge Greer and Attorney Felos are both members of the Hemlock Society. Of course anyone in this nation is free to be part whatever organization they choose, but when it involves the personal beliefs of a presiding judge and representing council over the outcome in a court case, it denotes a strong semblance of impropriety. Perhaps this wouldn’t be so bad if it involved just about any other school of thought, but things used to have ...
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I cannot help but wonder how many other Terri’s there are that will have the same outcome.This has truly taken the blinders off for me.I am afraid there will be other lives affected by the outcome of this.I have known of others that have been on feeding tubes that never was able to live without them again.I have also known of others that had to have a feeding tube for several years then have it removed and was fine after that.I had never really thought of a feeding tube as life support.My thoughts were as long as someone was breathing on their own and the heart was beating unassisted,that ...
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Nat Hentoff has been a liberal journalist for the Village Voice for many years. In contrast to what many assume has been a battle frought with conservative and Christian-right wing advocates, he wrote this thought provoking excellent article, while Terri was still alive: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Terri Schiavo: Judicial Murder Her crime was being disabled, voiceless, and at the disposal of our media For all the world to see, a 41-year-old woman, who has committed no crime, will die of dehydration and starvation in the longest public execu ...
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Well said Laurajane, he/she didn’t learn to do research in high school but can make a medical diagnoses. I wish people would realize that mainstream media does not tell all the facts, or tells you what they want you to hear. They control most thinking. I choose talk radio to get the truth. A true criminal would be given all avenues to prove his/her innocence efore being put to death. A death sentence should never have been the question. What were the Bushes thinking? This only hurts their character.   [End]
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As with most stuff in the media, a lot of things go unmentioned. I also listen to talk radio and, this, to me, seems not really to be about Terri wishes, but about what Michael might have done to her. I haven’t heard anything in the news about the nurse who signed an affidavit about the negative things that Micheal did and said in the hospital while Terri was under this nurses care for 2 years. Why hasn’t she been on GMA? I don’t know what pull this man has but where is CSI when you need them. ©†ƒ……•™¼‡_Original_Message_¾€š½ž¢«»¬ï°© As with most stuff in the media, a lot of t ...
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I agree that a lot of Americans are ”whack jobs”. Look at how many murder their babies while still in the womb. They should have been responsible enough in the first place to prevent it. I went 12 years before choosing to have children. My decision, not an accident. Respectfully, I hope that you are as concerned about those babies as you are about the ”starving kids around the world”. I know I am.   [End]
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you say what’s happened has happened, and it’s done. let her go in peace what’s happened has happened, and it’s done. let her go in peace We have got to REMEMBER Terri & Prevent anything like this from happenning again ! Her Death must NOT be in VAIN !   [End]
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I went back and forth about posting this channel because it seems so short and also because I had known about the topic for nearly a month before it came though completely in channeled/written form. But after much arguing, hemming and hawing, it became clear to me that now is a very appropriate time to send this out. It’s pretty obvious why - As we look around at the news, we see a nation and a world very much focusing on the subject of death. What a great teacher Terry Schiavo has been for so many people. What an incredible job she gave herself on this earth plane. So many are ...
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I found out something out today. During the assesment, they found out that she was near death and Micheal Shiavo was there to receive the news. Micheal Schiavo orders were not to let any family members come in after the assesment ’even’ if they came in time just before she died. What does that tell about him?   [End]
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I commend you too, Charville!!! May God multiply His blessings upon you and continue to give you the strength to carry on. If the people with special - needs loved ones do not speak up now, as you have done, then slowly they will begin to define for us who has a right to live and who does not. Kudos for you !!!!!!!!   [End]
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The LAW needs to be & MUST be CHANGED so that where there is NO WRITTEN LIVING WILL NO WRITTEN LIVING WILL ANY DISPUTE FAMILY LIFE ’’HERE SAY’’ NO WRITTEN LIVING WILL ANY DISPUTE FAMILY   [End]
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yep exactly, I got skin cancer this past year, it hasnt been diagnosed and everyone tells me there is nothing wrong with your skin, but hey what do i know i just look at it everyday, wrinkled, lost 30 pounds now over 8 months and aint even trying. skin is red and everyone says there is nothing wrong, happened due to a melanoma being missed in my opinion and was told it was an allergy reaction, kinda funny how it came about but I even thought that it was from pulling my patrol boots on and the laces too tight when I went to work,then boom played softball this past summer and boom there ya g ...
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I would no more vote to JERK away a FEEDING TUBE than I would Vote to JERK away an INFANT’s BOTTLE !!! This is INSANE, Cruel & Heartless !!! This woman was NOT ... I repeat NOT NOT   [End]
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I am still trying to understand, what could be the motives behind all this? I AM POSITIVE THERE IS A BIG ONE! otherwise how could an adulterer, a murderer, a heartless, ruthless man go unnoticed and walk free? I am still trying to understand, what could be the motives behind all this? I AM POSITIVE THERE IS A BIG ONE! otherwise how could an adulterer, a murderer, a heartless, ruthless man go unnoticed and walk free? There is NOT logical explanation !!! We as American Citizens MUST speak up as we can NOT allow the MURDER of our disabled American Citizens as WE are the ONLY VOICE they h ...
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Greed ? No way ! I call it UNCONDITIONAL LOVE   [End]
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Terri’s parents did exactly what parents do every day.They had a child with special needs.They tried to get her the therapies and help they thought would help her.There were countless specialists that were consulted.This is the life of any parent with a special-needs child.They were/are the un-oiled hinge that would not stand by to silently watch yet another door to be closed on their child.I commend her parents for the fight they put forth for Terri.I am glad they have a network of names they can provide to other families that may be in similar circumstances.There can never be too much he ...
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It would be wonderful if the truth would finally come out, but I doubt that those in power will ever let that happen. An autopsy was probably written up before she ever died. I doubt that Michael would have ever agreed to it unless he knew what it was going to say. The truth will come out on that great judgement day, when all of those who have Terri’s blood on their hands will answer to God. Unless they repent, they will get the punishment they deserve. I have to try and work on forgiving those people, because right now I hope they all die the same horrible death that Terri died.   [End]
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Very valid points and well taken. Nice to be back! Work is so busy at times that I just dont seem to get the opportunity (or take the opportunity) to come out as often as I should.   [End]
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If you would like to send the Schindler family a personal note of condolence, you may do so at: The Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation 4615 Gulf Blvd - #104/103 St Petersburg Beach, FL 33706   [End]
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As I look over the threads in this forum I’m amazed at how deeply one woman’s story has touched us all. There have been many passionate threads, some very elequent, some heated & even a bit nasty . . . some are filled with anger & disgust at Mr. Shiavo; some are discouraged by the continuing of a life they believe had no quality. Like so many issues today there has been an extreme polarization here as well. And it leaves me wondering if we will ever be able to come together as one human family living in harmony. Whether you side with the parents or the husband, it’s always easy to ...
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”Why keep alive a TOTAL vegetable?” i don’t think that you are in any position to be declaring that she SHOULD be dead or that it is what she DEFINITELY wanted, or that she was a TOTAL vegetable. you keep talking about the new york times -- did it ever occur to you that perhaps the mainstream media, which is a MONEY MACHINE and which panders to the political powers-that-be might ACTUALLY be somewhat BIASED in a situation like this? did you do any of your OWN research, did you check out any independent news websites? did you read the affidavits? did you watch the videos of terri? ...
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As Terri’s fate on earth has come to an end, so will this forum which will become part of the archives. The forum will stay on for anyone seeking to go over all that transpired here regarding this tragic case, but so will the memories and lessons we have all gotten. As I pondered over all the many things that have been said and posted here in the last few days, I came upon some interesting realizations. The vast majority of people that posted here were in favor of life for Terri. Some were convinced of it from the beginning, while others made honest admissions to having had a change ...
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copied from www.terrisfight.org : ----------------------------------------------------------------- -Statement of the Schindler Family Pinellas Park, FL – As you are aware, Terri is now with God and she has been released from all earthly burdens. After these recent years of neglect at the hands of those who were supposed to protect and care for her, she is finally at peace with God for eternity. We are speaking on behalf of our entire family this evening as we share some thoughts and messages to the world regarding our sister and the courageous battle that was waged to save h ...
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If she was in no pain why was she on painkillers? super   [End]
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ok, so there is spinal fluid there, maybe after she did this to herself he did try to kill her, who knows, no one does, only she and Micheal know how that happened. But I am telling you she was aware or her surroundings and knew what was going on, if she didnt she could not respond the way she did being ain a so called vegetative state. vegetative state persons are just that, like a vegetable, they dont respond to things , anything at all. they just lay there unresponsive and non reactive to anything. www.terrisfight.org check that site for video on Terri   [End]
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Good question! Who is he connected with? I guess the future changes on this issue will hold a clue. super   [End]
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My dog is treated better than Terri. And any dog in a vet’s surgery is treated better than Terri. It is like she was sacrificed. The husband and others will have their day, what goes around comes around. super   [End]
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Sorry, but if youd ever been to her website teerisfight.org youd see that she was not a vegetable, she could not talk and move very well ok, i agree there, but she was not a total vegetable, if she coul dnot feel anything why did she grimace in so many of the videos on her website when her mouth was being swabbed for a test? Trust me she felt it and knew what was going on, to say that this is what she wanted we will never know. I understand she did this to herself by bulimia but come on, no one would have wanted this, i dont care what anyone says.   [End]
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Now that Terri is finally at peace, what gets me is why was her suffering prolonged for the world to watch her slowly starve her to death? It is so calculating and cruel, especially the showing of Terri in this situation throughout the world media of her suffering all because of her husband’s zealous wishes to get his way over that of her parents with no thought for Terri. Even if Terri was in a vegetative state, or semi-vegetative as I believe she was, she was still a human being. Terri’s parents should have had their rights upheld, she was their daughter and with the resultant ou ...
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Thanks for sharing them and reminding all of us, does a path have a heart? Hmmmn - real food for thought....long time no see Castaneda :-) Love it ♥   [End]
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My point exactly!!!! And by the way, most of these judges are NOT ”liberal”, another wake-up call;-- there’s no real difference...get it?   [End]
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I am still trying to understand, what could be the motives behind all this? I AM POSITIVE THERE IS A BIG ONE! otherwise how could an adulterer, a murderer, a heartless, ruthless man go unnoticed and walk free? Something about ’birth control propaganda cover-up’ was said in news, (I donot watch news, saw little bit in a restaurant), but I didn’t see anything about it in this forum.   [End]
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Well said Chaz. I tried to write something, but all I could think of was mean stuff for clooney *oops* I felt better after reading your post. ©†ƒ……•™¼‡_Original_Message_¾€š½ž¢«»¬ï°© Well said Chaz. I tried to write something, but all I could think of was mean stuff for clooney *oops* I felt better after reading your post.   [End]
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And talk about rudeness ???? It’s rude to sell the darn mailing lists, but okay to kill a living being ????   [End]
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And talk about rudeness ???? It’s rude to sell the darn mailing lists, but okay to kill a living being ????   [End]
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wll thanks for the insight on your priorities! Is that whats bothering you? is this interupting your tv viewing !Absolutely pathetic, you place you couch potato mentality above a human life! And I can see by your uninformed statements that you probably get all your information and education from fox nazi news tv ! You are not qualified to make an honest informed statement on this issue if that is your source of wisdom! Your imformation is useless to anyone and a waste of space!   [End]
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My question is...Why does everyone assume that this medical examiner is going to tell the truth. There’s a very good chance that he will be a liberal activist as well. I think they should have more than one person examine the body, so we can know the truth. (Does anyone remember the Clinton appointed coroner that said that two boys that were beheaded died of ”natural causes”? Wake up people, the outcome will be whatever the government wants it to be!)   [End]
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My question is...Why does everyone assume that this medical examiner is going to tell the truth. There’s a very good chance that he will be a liberal activist as well. I think they should have more than one person examine the body, so we can know the truth. (Does anyone remember the Clinton appointed coroner that said that two boys that were beheaded died of ”natural causes”? Wake up people, the outcome will be whatever the government wants it to be!)   [End]
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I struggled with this in my head and heart since in became so in the forefront and especially since they began the starvation process. I was one of those who had a complete turn around of opinion. I at first thought how horrible it would be to trapped inside a useless body without hope of recovery , but was soon informed by many well placed posts and articles of news from other sources and realized what criminal neglect that has been perpetrated on this women and what disastrous affects dogmatic and static mentality can do to propell injustice and inhumanity and what it can do to another ...
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Thanks! I definitely signed it and will encourage others to do so as well.   [End]
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It sounds like someone doesn’t have all the facts. First of all, it was her husband that caused the initial injury by physically abusing her. There were body scans that showed this, and the information was present in court but was dismissed by a liberal activist judge, who, by the way received re-election money from Michael’s attorney a couple of years back. Hmmm... I wonder which side he was on! Nobody knew her to be anorexic. That was just another one of Michael’s lies. Second, she was NOT brain damaged when she went into the hosital. Not until her husband came in and tried to ...
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Amen, Chaz! I am somewhat of a lurker myself, but I’m not here to mock, I am a supporter. I tend to be shy and don’t post much. But I have to thank you for saying something to this poster. All I have seen from this person is flaming of other’s. No respect for their opinions. Thank You for saying something.   [End]
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you obviously have’nt got a clue to the potential of her surviving this condition and she was not a vegetable she was cognant, aware and knew and expressed pain and discomfort and how to draw attention to it! do you think a blind person is a vegetable or parapalegic or deaf person because they dont communicate as well as you do? Should they be culled and tortured and starved to death also! Out of what ignorance guides your ethical decisions to condone torture and death because you are fearful of the unknown! You sit and mock those who fought for her who put themselves out on the streets i ...
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Wouldn’t people have to live in Florida to call for an impeachment? I can’t imagine anyone in the world can sign an online petitiion and have it be valid.   [End]
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Why keep alive a TOTAL vegetable? Why spend millions keeping alive a body when the brain and soul were dead? Why not help feed thousands of children with that money, keep a real human being alive rather throw all that money down the drain. The parents were totally selfish.   [End]
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I don’t know about you but I am HAPPY to be able to turn on my TV and not have to see her anymore. She, in my opinion, was dead over a decade ago and she did it to herself by her eating disorders.   [End]
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What? Judge George W. Greer was a hero, he gave Terri what she really wanted. Peace. Anybody who signs that petition is unamerican as the constitution separates powers and we must live by the rule of law. She was a vegetable and was for over 10 years. She wasn’t alive, she felt nothing, noticed nothing and I’m glad that this is finally over. Don’t impeach a great man who acted by law.   [End]
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Terri’s parents were BOTH nut balls! They caused this whole ordeal, their daughter has been dead mentally for over a decade and she brought it on herself by being bulemic or anorexic. Then they go and sell the financial donors names to try to capitalize on this, totally disgusting. I wouldn’t have let them in either as they wanted to selfishly keep her alive when she was already gone long ago. Think also about all that money that was spent keeping alive a total VEGETABLE while kids around the world who are ALIVE starve. What whack jobs most Americans are.   [End]
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You should do a little more research into a subject matter that is so important before you make negative judgement calls! Try reading the New York Times. The PARENTS sold everyone’s names and contact info, trying to profit off of their wonderful generousity without their permission. It doesn’t suprise me, most ultra religious people are the biggest hipocrites. those terms are indicitive of the very people who took thier daughters life from them!Shame on you! They didn’t take her life, she was either bulemic or anorexic and that lead to her situation. She was COMPLETELY br ...
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If this is true, so what???? It’s just incredibly rude to sell someone’s name and contact details withOUT their permission. And to profit from their daughters problem is so immoral. Keeping her alive as a vegetable was very selfish and immoral as well. She was not in pain and was not suffering at all. If my name where on one of the lists, I would not consider it a great imposition to let it go towards much needed recovery funds for this family. Maybe you feel this way but without the permission of the people HELPING by giving you money this is beyond rude. Her parents wer ...
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Then what ARE the facts? Are you saying the New York Times has it wrong? LOL.   [End]
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Regarding your questions: Question #1: ”What happens if/when the autopsy proves that Terri was in fact in a vegitative state and had absolutly no chance of ever recovering?” My answer: Then THAT will be the truth to be revealed. Unless Alikat’s theory happens, but then, no one will know and people will continue to theorize and make assumptions until they let go and forget about all this. Question #2: ”What happens if/when the autopsy shows that she was never abused?” My answer: Again, then THAT will be the truth to be revealed..... Question #2 part2: ”Who will left to blame? The ...
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I know it’s easy to look around and watch how we’ve become a culture of victims, complainers, and blamers. No one seems to be happy with the way things are, and the constant complaining and demands from one group on the other are making us into a society of disatisfied misfits, and it’s stinks. Granted. But in this case, there was no other way for these people to proceed with their positions other than to go to the judicial powers, (which is of course, the government), so ultimately the desicions or lack of which ruled in this case, came from the judiciary, and thus, solely instrumental ...
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What happens if/when the autopsy proves that Terri was in fact in a vegitative state and had absolutly no chance of ever recovering? What happens if/when the autopsy shows that she was never abused? Who will left to blame? The courts? Her husband? God? Why are people so bent on blaming someone for this terrible tragidy? It breaks my heart that the images of this poor girl were pasted every ten seconds to our TV’s and newspapers.... disgusting....   [End]
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He gained a lot. But it is not what he did not get but about what he did not do. Till I do us part...   [End]
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Very well said..... Your key word for this whole episode ”disgusting” Thank you for the information that everyone should be aware of.   [End]
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From what was reported: Michael was called by the Hospice and asked to get there as soon as possible because they (staff) knew his wife in her last moments. They also told him that his (former) brother-in-law was in a ”scuffle” with police in the hall just outside of the room. They then asked if it was okay if his (former) brother-in-law could be in the room with the police to be sure nothing further would occur. Michael told them ”no” because he didn’t want his wife surrounded by police in her final minutes. What happened here is tragic. But I have to say I am sickened by the entire ...
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You are probably right Alikat. But how is this for food for thought? I kept waiting for Terri to wake up and find a way to communicate. To stop what was happening to her. I wondered why God was allowing this to happen, and why this morning He allowed her to die, without the truth being revealed. And it occurred to me that maybe, had she awakened and been able to tell some terrible secret, like whatever might have really happened to her, that she would have had to endure the whole legal processes and courts and everything to PROOVE what she had to say, to get justice. But since she died and ...
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You’re welcome. I can ask the same question about her brother and sister, and also the priest that was there. Why didn’t they call their parents to come in since they were in there praying with her two hours before they were asked to leave so that hospice could make an assessment? They all knew she was going to die that day. What is comes down to is that the parents made a choice not to be there. I do not blame them for that. Also from what I understand Terri had made it clear that she did not want to be buried with the bugs and worms and that is why he chose cremation for her. I can ce ...
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And to be clear I am not disputing yours or anyone elses opinion on the REAL issue at hand. I am simply sick of people blaming the goverment as a blanket scape goat (hope I spelled that right!)   [End]
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He wouldn’t even let her own mother see her last moments. The women who saw her first moments of life was denied the last moments of her life. How cruel!!! And talk radio says that he is going to bury her in PA, where her parents can’t visit. And, her parents are being denied an independent doctor to observe the autopsy, which by law is their right. Who is this man connected with? His future wife should be thinking twice about this man!   [End]
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All points that you are entitled to make because the goverment exists. If it didnt, you may not have the right to voice that opinion. Don’t get me wrong, I have a lot of issues with the goverment but I am so sick of people mass blaming the goverment for everything with such a narrow minded attitude with no regard for the truth or reality of the situation. No matter what decision was made, someone was going to be upset with the decision. If the feeding tube stayed in...people were going to be mad. If it was taken out...people were going to be mad. Everyone believes they are right... ...
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You’re not going to get much support here for your immature thoughts. If she wanted to die, it should have been in writing, which leaves NO questions then!   [End]
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I totally agree with you ! Dr. William Hammesfahr testimony http://www.zimp.org/stuff/14%20-%20TestimonyHammesfahrStragOnly.htm   [End]
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You should do a little more research into a subject matter that is so important before you make negative judgement calls! How could you possibly know what is going on the minds of these very unfortunate and suffering people! You dont have a clue to what it may have cost them personally to fight the system ! I dont either but I doubt its inexpensive! People who fight the system pay dearly in many ways, and the leading cost of bancruptcy is medical expense and lawyers fees! Just try putting your self in thier position before calling people immoralor unethical, those terms are indicitive of t ...
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Thanks for the reply, you seemed to clear things up. There is something wrong in what you said. You wrote that they called the parents and told her she died. Now, with that being said, why did the attourney for Micheal Shciavo say that he was holding her in his arms. If he saw that she was already going to die, Micheal should of immediately called the parents rather than to wait after her death; so by chance, her parents could get to her and be with her untill the end. But still, I think Micheal did want her to die because he didn’t wan’t to be thinking about her while he was with ...
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...so how’s about blaming the judiciary who denied, ignored and turned a deaf ear to ALL of the evidence, which had it been taken into consideration, may have rendered a different outcome. And that’s just for starters.   [End]
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Why is everyone blaming the goverment? Her parents and husband brough this before the legal system the goverment set in place long ago....the ”goverment” did not seek them out. What was the legal system to do....turn down their request to a trial so they would not get blamed for this as everyone is doing? Was the goverment to deny the insane amount of requests from the press and the public to make statements and to react to this issue? By responding people blame them for exploiting her...if they didnt respond they woudl be cold and everyone would be screaming for the goverment to do so ...
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Me paranoid? - Naaaah...I’m a free spirit, with just a tinge of cynicism added for good measure.... ☼ FLoridaKitty Me paranoid? - Naaaah...I’m a free spirit, with just a tinge of cynicism added for good measure.... ☼ FLoridaKitty lol ... you go girl !!!   [End]
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How convenient. Michael Schiavo requests an autopsy and everyone falls for it. hey, it worked. The truth is, that under the laws in this sunshine state (FL), you can’t just have a cremation on a case like this without a previous autopsy. SO that would have to be done even if he went kicking and screaming. However, the problem will come in as the procedure is done right out of Pinellas county, and anyone can choose to be naive if they want to, but I don’t buy it that these guys are trustwrthy. After all, the county coroner wouldn’t keep his nice job if he said something that would ma ...
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The parents chose not visit her after Easter Sunday, so they were denied nothing. Her brother did an interview on fox news and said he was advising his parents not to go back and see Terri, so they weren’t even in the area of hospice when she died and they had to be contacted by phone so they could come down before anyone else was told she had died. Her brother was there though, but he was asked to leave the room about 10 minutes before she died so they could assess her situation. Standard practice since they did this to my father in-law too and he was just dying of old age. When Terri’s b ...
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http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html ©†ƒ……•™¼‡_Original_Message_¾€š½ž¢«»¬ï°© 32,656 signatures so far http://www.petitiononline.com/ijg520/petition.html   [End]
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If this is true, so what???? Enough money has passed back and forth into soiled hands in this travesty!!! If my name where on one of the lists, I would not consider it a great imposition to let it go towards much needed recovery funds for this family. In any case, I’m willing to bet they would have preferred having their daughter’s warm body nearby, than the $150 -$500. a month extra they may receive. Just a hunch........   [End]
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Florida’s Law REQUIRES an autopsy before creamation. Micheal Schiavo had no choice but wants to appear so Galant saying he Requested an autopsy !   [End]
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I suggest you do a little research and get your facts straight before you post an incredibly rude message. I suggest you do a little research and get your facts straight before you post an incredibly rude message. AMEN ! I agree 100%   [End]
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That is so good - hopefully people will see the truth and not only the lies that the mainstream media and Schiavo Clan proclaim. ©†ƒ……•™¼‡_Original_Message_¾€š½ž¢«»¬ï°© That is so good - hopefully people will see the truth and not only the lies that the mainstream media and Schiavo Clan proclaim.   [End]
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I suggest you do a little research and get your facts straight before you post an incredibly rude message.   [End]
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It’s a normal reaction when we come to realize that we have no voice. I do appreciate the Webmaster for having opened up this forum. At least we can share our feelings with folks all over North America, sharing lessens some of the blow.   [End]
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I don’t believe courts should have the authority to authorize killing an otherwise healthy woman in these circumstances, especially when she left no written directive.   [End]
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It seems you are paranoid. First of all, he was the one who requested that the autopsy be done. Considering the courts granted him the rights to have Terri cremated instead of buried in Florida where her parents wanted her, if he thought any signs of physical abuse would show up in the autopsy he would have rushed the process of her being cremated right after she passed away, which isn’t the case. There is absolutely no comparison between Scott Peterson and Michael Schiavo. (Although some would call them both murderers, which in fact, is debatable and matter of opinion.) The autopsy wil ...
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