Re: National identity card? Where?

Mr. 73099, I do not understand why your reply is so harsh. I can and do read. You are correct to say that there is no credibility to the story of chip implants being imbedded under a persons skin when they apply for a driver's license. I never stated that in my response to the original post. It is also not stated in the law that there will be any RFID implants, retina or fingerprint scans placed on the license. However, it could be added later by the Dept. of Homeland Security. Most states do already require verification of citizenship, social security number, date of birth and a facial photo to get a driver's license. The information you posted shows House Bill HR418 requires nearly the same information. These are my personal concerns:

Traditionally the requirements for a driver's license has been left to the individual states. This law requires that all the states who do adopt it must share the person's information in a national database which does make it a 'National ID' so to speak. That database could be hacked and the info used by identity thieves or the info could be sold/shared with other databases/companies or worse, lost or deleted making it more difficult to prove one's identity.

It will cost the states more money to implement that new system and that cost may be passed on to the citizen in higher fees at the DMV.

It doesn't change the fact that illegal immigrants and terrorists can and will continue to enter the country if they choose. Any changes to a person's license does not make the borders more secure.

I have followed Rep. Jim Guest(R) Missouri 5th Dist. who has opposed this law in my state which is HCR20 Refusal to Comply and is pending since 3/28/07. He has stated in newspaper articles that it is his understanding that if a state opts out of the law, it puts the citizens of that state at risk of losing the ability to receive social security and military benefits, of being able to get a passport and being able to board planes, trains and entering federal buildings. I do not know if this is the absolute truth or just speculation on his part of what could come. If it is true, I personally think it violates my rights.

Last year I was called for jury duty in a Federal Court and did have to show ID, was checked for weapons and went through a metal detector before entry. The same procedure at airports, no big deal.

You are in favor of a national ID, I am not. Maybe if more Americans knew about it they could make there own decision. My bet is they will likely decline.

I feel it is Orweillian in that:

1) the government slips this law into a military spending bill knowing it would pass
2) give the implementation of the law to the Dept. of Homeland Security which has little congressional oversight
3) there is little or no mass media coverage on the topic; no one I've talked to has even heard of it
4) increases more regulation/spending on the citizen/state that does not serve the people, only the government

This is a debate forum and I'll admit I've never debated a subject like this before. At the risk of making a fool of myself I still have a gut feeling that this sets the stage for a future police state. Do I jump when things go bump in the night? No, I am just a concerned citizen who is within my right to investigate and question this topic and share with others.

I've enjoyed your posts and look forward to reading more input from you on this and other subjects.


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