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I stumbled across this.Has anybody heard about it ?
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=192635;article=18560;show_parent=1
- Re: Federal I.D implant in May 2008 ... upearly
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MoreThis is a reply to # 842,574Yes, this was mentioned in the Aaron Russo documentary America: From Freedom to Fascism. It will be integrated into a persons driver's license by using fingerprint and/or retina scan and hold a person's medical, financial, and other personal information. I understand that 2 states have opted out, however, if your state does not and this goes national, you will not be able to get a passport, board a plane or train or otherwise move about the country without it. Scary, isn't it? Sounds like Nazi Germany or Soviet Union where you have to show your papers. This will go into effect May 2008.
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This is a reply to # 842,574Whoever posted that story didn't check out urban legends very well. Formal ID checks? - yes. Federal ID? - no. Implant chip? - no, just a bunch of right wing scare tactics.
The formal ID checks have been publically announced for a long time and have been in the news for a long time. It will help thwart the many (millions) of illegal aliens who have forged identities and help keep them off the road. Of course the U. S. seldom arrests anyone at the border, but that's a different story.
Urban legend page: http://www.snopes.com/politics/traffic/realid.asp
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This is a reply to # 843,175It IS true that the federal government is pushing a Global ID card-- which is proposed for 2008- and issued when you renew your drivers' license--at the same centers.
One or two States DID opt out already- but looks like the remaining States will not.
We will have to present our birth certificate and a slew of other forms of ID that most people will not have available- and expect to stand in line for the entire day so you may want to take the day off from Work.
If you refuse the Global ID, your driver's license will not be accepted as ID anywhere as accepted identification.
This proposal hasn't been passed yet- but as I mentioned 1 or 2 States already opted out.- Re: Federal I.D implant in May 2008 ... #73099
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This is a reply to # 843,183"It IS true that the federal government is pushing a Global ID card-- which is proposed for 2008- and issued when you renew your drivers' license--at the same centers."
I believe you are confused. When you say "global" - that's worldwide, and that simply isn't true. There has been a push, by our Republican, right-wing (not the liberals) for a national identity card for decades. It's the ultra-right Nazi fascists who wants to track your every move. If you are talking about the federal requirement for states to meet certain standards for identification, that's true (and some have opted out) - but that does not make it a national identity card.
http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=27616
The "National ID Card" Myth
By Henry Mark Holzer
Front Page Magazine.com| March 29, 2007
As usual, the “civil libertarians” are mistaken. There’s no “national ID card,” let alone one that will destroy our “civil liberties.”
A 2005 federal statute provided that in 2008 “a Federal agency may not accept, for any official purpose, a driver’s license or identification card issued by a State to any person unless the State is meeting the requirements of this section.” “‘Official purpose’ includes but is not limited to accessing Federal facilities, boarding federally regulated commercial aircraft, entering nuclear power plants, and any other purpose that the Secretary [of Homeland Security] may determine.”
Applicants for state-issued ID must provide certain kinds of proof (e.g., citizenship or legal residency), and the state-issued ID must contain certain kinds of information (e.g., name, photograph, date of birth).
Unarguably, Congress has the textual power, augmented by over 200 years of Supreme Court decisions, to legislate on a broad range of ID-related subjects—e.g., the use of passports, production of veteran documents to obtain benefits, the possession of draft and social security cards, the public display of licenses for all manner of personal and business activity.
Moreover, for federal purposes, the federal government is not obligated to accept any state identification documents. One can’t reenter the United States, obtain VA benefits, or possess DEA privileges on the strength of a driver’s license.
Reciprocally, no state need comply with the ID statute.
Although the Secretary of Homeland Security has the power to make administrative regulations enlarging the category of “other [federal] purposes,” he hasn’t done so. When he does, they will be subject to judicial review.
What, then, upsets the “civil libertarians”?
Some say state compliance will be “too expensive.” Typically, not only do they offer no proof, but, ironically, for many of them few state spending programs have ever been “too expensive”—especially if they were for some boondoggle like welfare.
Others spout empty slogans like “if we lose our identification card, we lose our identity, we lose our ability to access the services and infrastructure that society offers.” A Texas Congressman, speaking of the statute, loftily complained that in Washington “[t]here is no rule of law. There is no respect for the Constitution.”
One searches in vain for any serious commentary plausibly arguing that under the Constitution and Supreme Court opinions Congress lacks the power to have enacted the statute. Nor have any serious attempts been made to show any provision in the statute that requires states to comply—indeed, some states are considering opting out.
And perhaps most important of all, there have been no serious examples proffered of how the statute violates Americans’ civil liberties—especially today, when the United States is in at least a de facto war with radical Islam.
On the other hand, there are manifest benefits to be had from full implementation of the statute. Foremost is greatly reducing the incalculable amount of forged and stolen identification papers that this country is awash in — from driver’s licenses, to social security cards, to credit cards, and more — all of which facilitate illegal immigration, identity theft, and other criminal activity.
By itself, that’s reason enough for the states to cooperate.
A potentially greater reason is the impact on criminals and terrorists of, again, state-issued ID— which can’t be issued without clear proof of identity and status, and will contain crucial information of no threat to anyone engaged in lawful conduct. It is well known that the September 11, 2001, hijackers relied on phony documents to facilitate their destruction of the World Trade Center and murder some 3,000 innocent souls. Perhaps more stringent ID requirements would have prevented that calamity—perhaps not.
But given the stakes, neither the American government nor we the people can afford to take the chance of guessing wrong
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This is a reply to # 843,195Possible disinformation artist - Henry Mark Holzer?
There is much evidence supporting the original poster.
Scanning devices have already been put into school children's hands to "bill the parents for cafeteria expenses" in Olympia, WA and Rome, GA. Check out those stories - they should come up in a search.
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"In Rome, GA children are using their fingerprint to pay for their lunches, NOT an RFID. I could not find any information on Olympia WA, but I am certain it is the same thing."
Yes, you are correct and I explain that in my later posts. However, although the technologies are different -- I see NO difference, because the "handwriting is on the wall" for the world to see and I'm in agreement with you! For this reason, I'll leave the post, as is.
"This country would not accept mandatory chipping of children's hands just yet ... soon, but not yet."
I agree!
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This is a reply to # 843,222
"Possible disinformation artist - Henry Mark Holzer?
There is much evidence supporting the original poster.
Scanning devices have already been put into school children's hands to "bill the parents for cafeteria expenses" in Olympia, WA and Rome, GA. Check out those stories - they should come up in a search."I've listed the sources that show the story of the original poster to be a lie. I've also listed sources that show that a national identity card is a lie. Mark Holzer was writing in Front Page Magazine, a publication filled with conspiracy theories - he's on the ultra right.
You're making some absurd statements. You do the searches and then you provide the links!
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This is a reply to # 843,222
"Scanning devices have already been put into school children's hands to "bill the parents for cafeteria expenses" in Olympia, WA and Rome, GA. Check out those stories - they should come up in a search."
I've run all sorts of google searches for that tripe, and have found nothing. I live within 20 miles of Olympia Washington, follow the news closely, and have never seen nor heard that wild eyed lie. Get back under your bed and wait for judgment day.
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This is a reply to # 843,686In the future, I'd appreciate it if you would refrain yourself for being so judgemental and downright nasty to me. Although this is a debate forum, you can say whatever, but there is no reason for me to deliberately LIE!
Now here are some things for you to know:
1. Biometrics implemented in Rome, Georgia, the West End Elementary School in 2006. Someone sent me the original news article from a news agency, like BBC, MSNBC or something like that. Unfortunately, I don't have original news article because 1) my computer crashed last year and had to replace it, and 2) I had purged a lot of my old mail. HOWEVER, you can read this blog below, and there are comments about this situation if you'd be patient enough to do the correct research -- with the RIGHT parameters in Google!
http://www.just-a-webpage.com/rantings/?p=51#cooliris
2. First school to implement Biometrics in 2005 - Madras High School, Madras, Oregon. Excuse me, if I didn't get the EXACT location to satisfy you (I got Olympia mixed up with another situation, but nonetheless, it was in the NW)! The original was published in REGULAR news, not alternative -- again, I no longer have the original, but the below are starts. You can do the rest, if you want to research this deeper.
http://www.biometricgroup.com/in_the_news/04_19_05.html
http://www.raidersnewsnetwork.com/full.php?news=52
3. Here is another link about barcode implants.
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4. The best is for last. Read the links in this thread and get informed.
//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=47083#i
- BBC News w/Children's Comments!! rabbitears
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This is a reply to # 843,686Did a VERY QUICK search on these 2 stories. I read the news! Perhaps the below news and comments are all fakes? Hmmm?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4480000/newsid_4486600/4486627.stm
Fingerprints to buy school meals
Kids at a Leicestershire school don't need money for lunch any more, but they do need to remember their fingers.
Instead of handing over cash, pupils at Humphrey Perkins High School in Loughborough scan their thumbs into a machine in return for their food.
And kids may find it more difficult to feed their faces with chips, as their parents know what they choose.
It's hoped the scheme may cut bullying, as pupils won't need to carry cash for lunch any more.
Do you eat healthy dinners at school? Click here to vote
Also, because the system will be used by all the school's pupils, no one will know who gets free school meals and who doesn't.
That sometimes causes bullying between kids.
Other schools have used the system for registration, but this is the first one to use it to give kids their school lunches.
The chef catering manager Tom Edwards said that the school is introducing more healthy food, too.
"We are getting a really good response. The kids want to eat well and they will on the same money they spend on junk food," he added.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_4310000/newsid_4312100/4312120.stm
Do you give fingerprint technology the thumbs-up?
Kids at a school in Leicestershire won't be needing money for their lunch when a new method of payment is introduced.
Pupils will have to scan their thumbs into a machine in exchange for food.
This will help parents monitor what their children are eating, while making sure they won't have to carry cash around school.
So do you give this idea the thumbs-up or thumbs down?
Would this be an easier way for you to buy your school meals?
Or is this technology going one step too far?
E-mail and let us know.
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I don't think the fingerprint technology is a good idea, because you might have dirt or food on your fingers, so it might think that you are someone else.
Zara, 13, Rushden
This is a great idea. I go to this school and it's a lot quicker. Qe don't have to spend all of lunch time queuing up because everyone's counting out the right money!!!!!!!!
Harriet, 11, Barrow-upon-Soar
Although there are some benefits to this, like not having to carry cash around, I think this is very intrusive and shows that adults don't really trust children!
Hannah, 12, Sheffield
I think that it is a good idea but some schools won't be able to pay for them as more important things are needed.
Amy, 14, Essex
I think it's good that the children now eat healthy food and their parents get to see what they eat- it should be in every school!!!!
Safiya, 9, Halifax
I think that kids should be able to eat what they want at school. If ya'll are thinking that kids are getting overweight, it's not the stuff they eat at school, but at home.
Liz, 12, Perryville
Yes. I give it a thumbs up. It will be such a cool idea. Please do it! Thank you!
Jayce, 11, Gillette
I don't think that parents being able to check up on what children are eating is a good idea as it takes away our freedom. At my school, instead of money we have machines where we put money onto a electronic card and then pay with that and we can also use it on the bus. I think that's a much better idea.
Kylie, 15, Edinburgh
I love this idea! My mum is always worried about what I am spending my money on and this is a really cool and interesting way to keep checks on what children eat in school!
Elsie, 15, Chepstow
Next year I'm going to high school and they have a swipe card system for register, dinner, going to the toilet, everything! I think that is a good idea because then you can't skip school.
Ben, 10, Barnsley
I can't keep up with all this new technology. I'm a bit of a technophobe!
Rebecca, 13, Essex
At my school we have swipe cards, no money, but the food still isn't all that healthy and there isn't much of a variety!
Rachel, 13, Edinburgh
I think this is a really good idea because at my school lots of people have their dinner money stolen from them.
Rebecca, 11, Norwich
I think this idea is ridiculous. First of all they have taken away our chocolate and now they want our parents to check what we eat! There would be queues twice as long! This idea is a thumbs down for me!
Tasneem, 12, Chelmsford
What a waste of money! Schools in the Highlands of Scotland use the smart card system which is just like a credit card!
Rachel, 12, Inverness
We use our thumb prints to take out books in my school library - it is so much quicker! I think it is brilliant!
Kate, 15, Townlake
The technology seems great and so it really means that technology is helping us through our lives but doesn't this equipment cost loads of money?
Callie, 12, Walton
I don't know if I like this idea or not. It is just plain weird! Anyway, shouldn't more time, effort and money be spent on helping poverty?
Sophie, 11, Chertsey
Some kids get bullied and their lunch money gets stolen but nobody can steal a fingerprint so it is easier and you can tell if people are skipping lunch. The downside is sometimes the scanners get it wrong and someone else buys your lunch!
Cara, 13, Farnham
We've already had fingerprint technology in our school library for ages and it is really helpful and easy. So why not for school dinners? I think it's a great idea as I wouldn't have to dig out my money each time!
Vicky, 14, Derbyshire
I think this is a bad idea and there are easier ways of going about this. At my school we use lunch cards and it means we only have to scan the card through and the computer system records what we are eating anyway. There is no need for us to be treated like criminals and having to have our thumbs printed, when there is a cheaper option available.
Edith, 14, Kingston
The technology seems great. It really means that technology is helping us through our lives but don't these things cost loads of money?
Callie, 12, Walton
This is my school and it is a really good idea. I like it because you don't need to remember to take money into school every day.
Caitlin, 11, Quorn
I go to that school and I don't know what the fuss is about. The school meals are disgusting - I have seen better in a hospital. It is not an easier way because the queues are double the length than in year 7 when we didn't have this. I think it should go.
Charlotte, 12, Leicestershire
Bring it on! It'll stop the new Year 7's holding up the queue counting their money!
Daniel, 14, Cornwall
We use the fingerprint system for taking books out. I think it is a really good idea because we don't need to carry out library passes round with us.
Isabelle, 12, Bucks
I think this method is brilliant. It shall be good that parents are able to find what their kids eat and possibly it may help discover more things. And it will cut down money robbery and bullying. To the inventors, well done! Truly good.
David, 12, Fife
In my old school we tried using finger print scanning in the library - it never worked because people's hands were so dirty!
Bethany, 12, York
I think it's a good idea because I think most parents would worry about what their children would really be eating at school. Also it will minimise bullying and the stealing of money.
Laurie, 15, Birkhill
I think this is a great idea - first of all because yesterday I had my money stolen and secondly because I can have more food one day and nothing the day after.
Saj, 13, Wales
It's a stupid idea. What's the point? It will only get broken and then kids won't get any food!
Maria, 12, Spain
Yeahhhhhhhh!!!!! It's cool. They should make lockers with them on and give them to schools too.
Joe, 12, Corsham
I don't think it's a good idea. You could cheat by using the thumb on your other hand or by using something else.
Darren, 11, Bolton
It might help but it seems really complicated!!!!!!!!! My school has cards which are probably better.
Immy, 12, Tunbridge Wells
I think it is a good - if not slightly unhygienic - method of making kids carry less money. Less money means less bullying and less temptation to steal.
Sonny, 14, Geneva
I like this idea because then the kids who wear them hoods won't be able to steal my lunch money.
Cabe, 10, USA
I've got seven words to say about this and it is.........the worst idea anyone can come up with!!!!
Nosheen, 12, Accrington
I think it's silly because you can get a mate to order junk food for you and you order good food for him so your parents wont know.
David, 11, Marbella
I think it's a great idea because I hate having to carry money all the time.
Carly, 11, Sheffield
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This is a reply to # 844,291
You are presenting information regarding the scanning of fingerprints, not chip implants. (The one implant you listed was by those who chose to do it to themselves, for their own personal use, not by someone else.) All I can say for fingerprint scanning is BRAVO! The technology has been around for ages, it has been used by industry for its employees for a long time, and it is much, much safer than giving a child a credit card. Everyone has a unique finger print, we don't need implants. I'd far rather carry around my fingerprint than a plastic, easily lost or stolen credit card any day. I think it's a fantastic way to go.
If you read the AARP information below, you will find that there are 10 million Americans who are victims of identity theft, every year!!!! Your lack of concern for 10 million Americans per year will come to a screeching halt when you yourself become a victim.
You are still operating in a fear filled illogical mode.
from AARP: http://www.aarp.org/research/frauds-scams/fraud/fs122_id_theft.html
The Social Security Administration estimates that approximately 227 million individuals currently have Social Security numbers (SSNs).1 Because both government agencies and private businesses use SSNs for a wide range of non-Social Security purposes, the SSN has become a de facto national identifier. For this reason, SSNs are much sought after by identity thieves, who use these numbers to assume the identity of another individual and commit fraud. With an estimated 10 million individuals being victimized by identity theft each year, preventing identity thieves from obtaining SSNs is increasingly essential to helping protect individuals from fraud.
- Re: BBC News w/Children's Comments!! rabbitears
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This is a reply to # 845,358Hi!
I would love to debate with you on this further but, unfortunately, I'm limited with my time these days.
Yes, you are correct about finger swipe vs. implants; again, I didn't deliberately mislead lead or inform. I read A LOT and the first story was a couple of years ago.
As far as I'm concern, both technologies do and will present problems for everyone in the future. If and when, I have time, I will post information on implants -- that is, if I can find the info again.
Fingerprinting isn't necessarily all that reliable.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725174.500
http://www.truthinjustice.org/fingerprints.htm
Another issue at hand, but along the same lines is that I think everyone should rethink the idea of "identity theft" and perhaps the reasons behind it! When Congress rejected National ID Cards and Implants, I noticed that all of the sudden there was an incredible amount of corporate identity thefts; ie, Bank of America and Citicorp, federal computers "missing", hospital records, insurance, etc. In our state, these "thefts" come in waves reported in the news, to scare people in my opinion. I've also noticed that the idea of National ID Cards, Implants and/or Fingerswipes are being mentioned too.
Scarier to me are the patented tatooed barcodes (provided in my above post). In order to get a patent through is rigorous and the fact that it went through does suggest something to me. ONE thing CAN lead to another and not too far fetched! Shades of something else...
I don't think it takes a brain surgeon to put 2+2 together!
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This is a reply to # 845,470
The issue with a national identity card and/or finger print scanning and/or DNA data bank from birth (which I'm in favor of) is like anything else. It isn't the technology, it's how it is used. The atom was initially used for destruction, but it will eventually replace fossil fuels unless we first harness the power of the sun and that will also happen at some time in the future.
I've flown around the world and I've never seen a border anywhere. People are the same where ever you go. We are one world. We are still replenishing the earth and in the process of doing that we are learning to live together whether we like it or not, and many folks just plain don't like it. In the USA alone, 20 million cases of stolen identity each year!!!! DNA and finger print technology can virtually eliminate that. You cannot stop technology, and it will get even easier to use and more common place. (England today is tracking zillions of people on the street with face recognition cameras backed up by computer technology and they are catching criminals with it. Another BRAVO.)
The danger is not from an external international new world order. It never has been. The danger is from within, those who want to control us in the name of morality and religion and they have a humongous jump on it. The right-wing has already created a "terrorist watch list" and have put individuals on that list who have not agreed with Bush and his war. The FBI has already overstepped their bounds by monitoring far more telephone and internet communications than they were ever authorized to do, as has the NIA, and the Pentagon. These are the things we need to worry about, not a national identity card. We have already been hoodwinked by a bunch of totalitarian revisionists while they try to distract you through the myth of an international conspiracy. The problem is internal, and it is now.
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This is a reply to # 845,642Hello to All;
To those of you who think the REAL ID ACT is OK and there's nothing to worry about, consider this for a moment.
If the government (1) (starting under the Democrats in 1913) can claim to pass a constutionally illegal tax (Income Tax) which was NEVER passed or ratified
and
(2)illegally passed an illegal constitutional monetary reform amendment (Federal Reserve Act) which was required to be an amendment but was "passed" as an Act of Congress
(3)set up a fraudulent collection system (IRS) which has no statute on the books for collecting the illegal tax and actually has no authority to collect it except at the end of gun barrel (ex. IRS does NOT have the authority to place a Lien on anything, so instead they place a NOTICE of a LIEN, which if you don't dispute it, becomes interpeted to be a lien and is then enforced as one)
(4)and then both parties go along with it for over 90 years
Then what do you think is really going to stop them if they decide to require everyone to have a National ID Chip implanted in your right hand or forehead, austensiby for the sake of National Security as a result of the Orwellian WAR ON TERROR.
If the goverment takes away our rights to fight terroism, then who wins?- Re: We are already being watched....... #52758
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This is a reply to # 843,222In Rome, GA children are using their fingerprint to pay for their lunches, NOT an RFID. I could not find any information on Olympia WA, but I am certain it is the same thing.
This country would not accept mandatory chipping of children's hands just yet ... soon, but not yet.- Re: Federal I.D implant in May 2008 ... rabbitears
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This is a reply to # 846,875Hi!
"In Rome, GA children are using their fingerprint to pay for their lunches, NOT an RFID. I could not find any information on Olympia WA, but I am certain it is the same thing."
Yes, you are correct and I explain that in my later posts. However, although the technologies are different -- I see NO difference, because the "handwriting is on the wall" for the world to see and I'm in agreement with you! For this reason, I'll leave the post, as is.
"This country would not accept mandatory chipping of children's hands just yet ... soon, but not yet."
I agree!
Rabbitears
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This is a reply to # 843,195The usual name calling. I dont know if I am a civil libertarian or not, but I do not like the idea of being chipped.
- Name calling? #73099
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This is a reply to # 843,727
"The usual name calling. I dont know if I am a civil libertarian or not, but I do not like the idea of being chipped."
Who's name calling? The ultra-right in the USA are Nazi fascists. That's factual identification of a segment of our society.
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This is a reply to # 843,729Mr. #73099, you can Google 'national ID/May 2008' or 'Real ID' to learn more about this topic. The Orwellian nightmare is just beginning.
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This is a reply to # 844,111
"Mr. #73099, you can Google 'national ID/May 2008' or 'Real ID' to learn more about this topic. The Orwellian nightmare is just beginning."
That's a riot!!!! Booh! Did you jump? Do you hear things go bump in the night?
Real ID is a federal requirement for STATE issued driver's licenses and personal identification!! It is not a "national ID" - it is a local, state driver's license. If it goes into a national data base, so what? Actually, I'm in favor of a national ID (which we don't have, and which isn't on the books to come, and which we won't have for decades) that includes not only what the states are required to have, but also a DNA profile. But we are light years from that.
It is the ultra-right wing nuts who are trying to get everyone on the terrorist watch list (and doing a damn good job of it). It is not the liberals.
As for having to have a driver's license to get into a courthouse, I doubt it. How about right now? I have to have a passport to travel 90 miles from my home (I live near the Canadian border). This requirement was implemented by the Bushie right-wing administration.
Learn to read.
from a googled site: http://www.epic.org/privacy/id_cards/
How will the REAL ID Act affect state driver's licenses and identification cards (DL/ID)?
If the Department of Homeland Security Secretary doesn't grant a state an extension to meet the certification requirements, then by May 11, 2008 (three years after passage of the REAL ID Act), states must meet the following standards to be accepted for federal use (entrance into a courthouse, onto a plane; receiving federal benefits, such as Social Security or Medicare). After more than two years, the Department of Homeland Security issued draft regulations on March 1, 2007, explaining how the states can meet these standards. The EPIC analysis of the potential privacy implications follows the enumeration of the each set of standards.
Minimum document requirements, §202(b):
"To meet the requirements of this section, a State shall include, at a minimum, the following information and features on each driver's license and identification card issued to a person by the State:
(1) The person's full legal name.
(2) The person's date of birth.
(3) The person's gender.
(4) The person's driver's license or identification card number.
(5) A digital photograph of the person.
(6) The person's address of principle residence.
(7) The person's signature.
(8) Physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes.
(9) A common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements."
- Re: National identity card? Where? upearly
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This is a reply to # 844,148Mr. 73099, I do not understand why your reply is so harsh. I can and do read. You are correct to say that there is no credibility to the story of chip implants being imbedded under a persons skin when they apply for a driver's license. I never stated that in my response to the original post. It is also not stated in the law that there will be any RFID implants, retina or fingerprint scans placed on the license. However, it could be added later by the Dept. of Homeland Security. Most states do already require verification of citizenship, social security number, date of birth and a facial photo to get a driver's license. The information you posted shows House Bill HR418 requires nearly the same information. These are my personal concerns:
Traditionally the requirements for a driver's license has been left to the individual states. This law requires that all the states who do adopt it must share the person's information in a national database which does make it a 'National ID' so to speak. That database could be hacked and the info used by identity thieves or the info could be sold/shared with other databases/companies or worse, lost or deleted making it more difficult to prove one's identity.
It will cost the states more money to implement that new system and that cost may be passed on to the citizen in higher fees at the DMV.
It doesn't change the fact that illegal immigrants and terrorists can and will continue to enter the country if they choose. Any changes to a person's license does not make the borders more secure.
I have followed Rep. Jim Guest(R) Missouri 5th Dist. who has opposed this law in my state which is HCR20 Refusal to Comply and is pending since 3/28/07. He has stated in newspaper articles that it is his understanding that if a state opts out of the law, it puts the citizens of that state at risk of losing the ability to receive social security and military benefits, of being able to get a passport and being able to board planes, trains and entering federal buildings. I do not know if this is the absolute truth or just speculation on his part of what could come. If it is true, I personally think it violates my rights.
Last year I was called for jury duty in a Federal Court and did have to show ID, was checked for weapons and went through a metal detector before entry. The same procedure at airports, no big deal.
You are in favor of a national ID, I am not. Maybe if more Americans knew about it they could make there own decision. My bet is they will likely decline.
I feel it is Orweillian in that:
1) the government slips this law into a military spending bill knowing it would pass
2) give the implementation of the law to the Dept. of Homeland Security which has little congressional oversight
3) there is little or no mass media coverage on the topic; no one I've talked to has even heard of it
4) increases more regulation/spending on the citizen/state that does not serve the people, only the government
This is a debate forum and I'll admit I've never debated a subject like this before. At the risk of making a fool of myself I still have a gut feeling that this sets the stage for a future police state. Do I jump when things go bump in the night? No, I am just a concerned citizen who is within my right to investigate and question this topic and share with others.
I've enjoyed your posts and look forward to reading more input from you on this and other subjects.
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This is a reply to # 844,148"Ultra right-wing nuts"? The "ultra right" in this country are the Anarcho-capitalists, or "market anarchists" to use the street-level term. They are anarchists who also support a libertarian-style economy.
No one who is "ultra right" believes in expanding the size and power of big government. They are for cutting it down to size, along with the power of big business.
Do not confuse the Neo-conservatives with the "ultra right". That's like comparing apples and pineapples. They never were the same thing.
Thank you.
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- Re: Federal I.D implant in May 2008 ... boldyloxx
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This is a reply to # 843,195I think our local newsreporter was confused too- because he stated it as a "Global ID" card that is pending. lol! thanks for clearing that up :-)
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