None of those people believe like I do, yet you associate them with me. If so, then Chuck is one of your kind....trapperesque or not. He doesn't believe in rapture or 1000 year reign. So he must be in your court, not mine. I'm not sure but when I finally got time to hear the last half, it sounded like he said he didn't believe in the gifts of the Spirit for today either. So I guess I don't agree with much of what the old guy says after all. Sad indeed.