Re: The pharisees lacked discernment too.

Hi Vektek,

"I do not believe you knew about the New Apostalic Reformation before I started bringing the warnings in."
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You are very correct in that statement and I still do not know about them. I have not even began to read all of these posts on this forum of this hot debate that has been taking place these past few days. I just don't have the time. The truth is I don't care about the New Apostalic Reformation or any other movement. I am looking at the different beliefs and not the movements. If what some of these people in these crazy movements believe is truth than I will agree with that part of the movement even though I don't know about their movements. If some of their beliefs are of the occult than I will not follow that or the movement, but I will believe any truth that they may believe. I do not have time to study movements. I am only interested in truth. I am only interested in seeking the truth as the Bible teaches and that is the true interpretation and not your interpretation. If I think a group is operating in the occult I sure would not go there.

I am not aware of MST being trained by this New Apostalic Reformation any more than I am aware of the movement. I am looking to see if MST lines himself up with truths when it comes to his beliefs. I am glad that he is on a forty day fast to seek the Lord. I am praying that the Lord will magnify his discernment during this time for a reason. I still think he needs more of it. I still think he has more growing in the Lord to do. I don't suppose you got that part when you read my post did you? lol. I get red flags about some things that he does not seem to get red flags about in certain areas. I believe he is sincerely seeking God and a lot harder than I have been, but I still know I must examine everything he says as well as his beliefs. The Bible tells us to do so with all men. I am asking God to show him the truth, especially during this fast. I am asking God to show me that if I am the one that is wrong that He would by the power of His Holy Spirit to show me the truth. I respect MST for seeking God as hard as he is, but on the things I question I must hear from God myself. I have not been trying to point our differences out to him. I am not trying to remove specks from his eyes. He is seeking the Lord so I feel that that is the Lord's job. Yes, I am trying to encourage MST over in the personal intimacy forum on his 40 day fast because I care about him and I want him to be successful in it. By success I mean coming out of it a totally changed man by the power of the Holy Spirit opening his eyes to any deception he may have and blessing him with the gift of discernment and other true gifts of God as never before. I don't know anything about the Bethal Redding Church, but I have heard plenty about IHOP. While I do enjoy some of their music, if what I heard is true, I would never line myself up with that group. The devil is so smart in his deceptions. Doesn't it sound good to start a group that would praise the Lord 24/7. What a great way to get people who are sincerely seeking God to line themselves up with a certain group. Now, after he (the devil) gets these sincere people involved in that wonderful sounding 24/7 praise group, he starts introducing his 1 percent or so lies to deceive them. That small percentage of lies is a deadly poison that destroys people and souls. It makes me wonder if they are really praising the real God 24/7. If they are, how could they be so messed up? The devil is going to make things sound good to us to deceive us. I agree with MST that praising the Lord 24/7 is a good thing, but we need to make sure that if we are involved in a group stating that they are doing this, that it really is worship to our real Lord 24/7. We truly need discernment. Satan is an extremely intelligent being and he is an expert at deception. He will do anything to destroy us. We all need to be on our guard. I do not believe that any of us are above deception and that include me and MST. That even includes you. We must constantly seek God for discernment.

"I DO NOT deny the power and Holiness of God whatsoever!"

Oh really, Vektek. Well you sure have denied the power of God in my life. I know you don't deny the holiness of God. When I tell you about the supernatural in my life you don't believe me. That is denying the power of God. John MacArthur also denied the power of God in that video that you posted, but if I get some time I will listen to it again as you think I did not get the point. I will see if I can get anything else out of it to be fair. Sometimes I need to listen to things more that once.