Re: NAR, Bill Johnson, Todd Bentley, IHOP Kansas and many others (Christianity Debate) 12/10/2012 2014703

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I want to make this clear. My reason for what I have tried to share is not to support anyone's church. I posted what I did about calvinism to make a point about how all of our churches have problems.

My own church (right before I joined...I didn't know anything about it) had a pastor who had an affair with one of the women in the congregation. He was removed and the woman left and the church was then blessed afterwards...but not during.

However, that does not mean that each individual in the church was involved in that sin at that time, just because some were. The sins of some can have an overflow effect on others....this we have seen at times, a domino effect, but it's still an individual thing between them and God. God judges the church as a whole and the individual. Just like He judges nations as a whole and each person. Of course if the whole system is rotten, we know we need out, or we will be judged with it.

It all comes back to holiness, but we don't throw out the Holy with the unholy. If the angels are not going to be removing the tares from the wheat (until the appointed time) to keep from uprooting them, as they grow together, side by side, then we should not either. For it will be God's job to send His angels to do it.

I was just hoping that we would allow for holiness in the forum. Yes, Ed sometimes says things about the bible that is worded in such a way that makes my good-church-going-ears be in pain at times.....but he always corrected what he said to make it clearer and to get us to see his deeper point. (most are not getting the deeper point) Now, whether others believe him or not...perhaps they think he is just learning how to say the right words to soothe us, then that's another issue. That is lack of trust.

I have had this same problem of hearing pain with others who do not come from my same culture, or they are new to christianity, or were not raised with "church" language that I am accustom to.

One of the problems with being in the pew too long is that we only surround ourselves with like minded people. There is very little struggle to learn from. It's a safe cozy feeling to be around your like minded family. Being in the world and even among other christian beliefs, as a christian, is a whole different experience.

I posted that video about John Lennon (further down) because I thought to myself....how lovely. What a lovely job those christians did at rebuking what was incorrect and still showing respect and love for him. The truth was...the Holy Spirit was involved. It did not have to be forced by human will. I would love for the Holy Spirit to teach me to do it that way...however, I was apparently raised like Vektek, to duke it out until the end. ;) So....Come Holy Spirit Come. Bring us Holiness....bring us Peace....and most of all (special thanks to Trust2009) bring us Love. :)

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