Re: The pharisees lacked discernment too.

"This is a nasty debate, yes. But what is happening in the church is nasty and I want people to be aware of it, so I've been sending out the warnings. Many here don't appreciate the warnings, and don't care to hear them. That concerns me."
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Vektek, I really think that Ed, Refreshed and myself all agree that there are nasty things happening in the church. I have also posted things similiar to the video of the OP. I fully agree with Andrew Strom. I really don't think that you have posted anything that would wake the three of us up to this fact. I'm sure we were already aware of this before you came along. The problem with you is that you are trying to get us to deny the real power of God. Everything supernatural is of the devil or the occult in your eyes. Or, we are lying about it in your eyes. I fully agree that the occult has crept in our churches today and we need to be aware of this. That is one reason why I left the churches and now seek God on my own. Many people are faking the supernatural. Others are operating in the occult. Satan is happy to give a gift either to deceive or to those who know they are operating by his power. We do need to be aware of this. I want only the real power of God. I do not want to sit under a minister who is faking it or operating in the occult. Yes, I believe that is going on even as you believe that.

At least the video posted in this thread by Andrew Strom gives a truer picture of what is going on than the ridiculous video that you posted by John MacArthur "The Modern Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" in the thread down below. Andrew Strom's video may not be perfect, but it is a good video with a lot of good information in it.

If there are lying signs and wonders, which you obviously are quick to believe in, then there are truthful signs and wonders, which you do not believe in. You believe the devil has more power than God. You believe the devil is doing supernatural things in this world today, but God is not.

The difference between you and Andrew Strom is that he knows that the power of God is real. He believes in the Gifts of the Holy Spirit powered by the Holy Spirit. He admitted that he speaks in tongues. Do you think he is lying about that too? Do you think that he has been given this supernatural manifestation by the devil even as you are thinking such things of me?

You are the one that needs to wake up Vektek! You are giving ridiculous arguments. You are blind to the truth in these matters. Seek the Lord for truth before you try to teach others. Or, at least stick to what you know. You know nothing about the power of God.
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