Re: Prisoners fed high soy diet ; develop serious health problems

 No Ruffneck thats not "proof" according to Hver.
Apparently, soy is good for us.

Yes, it has many benefits as NUMEROUS medical studies have proven.

Kombucha doesnt have probiotics.

I did not say that.  I said I never heard of it being a probiotic.  That does not mean it is not.  It just means that I am not sure since I have never seen any evidence either way.  Since you think you have the answer why don't you tell all of us exactly what beneficial bacteria the kombucha provides to us and provide some evidence to the claim.  That way all of us will know.  By the way I have praised the benefits of kombucha for a long time.:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1477469#i

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1502637#i

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1498718#i

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1489669#i

Phytic acid is healthy.

Of course you are being sarcastic again.  So you mean phytic acid that has been proven to clean out toxic heavy metals and dangerous free iron and that has proven anti-cancer effects is not healthy? So you think the heavy metals, free iron and cancer are healthy?

And it doesnt matter what time people fall asleep, since sleep has little to do with health. These are all claims hver has made.

Again you heard what you wanted to hear instead of what was really said.  I said everyone has their own internal clock.  And they are not all the same.  Some people are morning people and some are not.  That is one of the great things about humans, we are all different.  We all need sufficient sleep for health, that has not been questioned.  What I said though is that people should not fight their internal clock.  If you are morning person then follow that clock.  It you are a night owl then follow that clock.  When people try fighting their internal clocks then they put stress on their body and they end up using stimulants like caffeine to stay awake, which puts even more stress on their system adversely affecting their health.  It is really quite simple.  If so many people are following their natural internal clock then why do so many people use the snooze bar multiple times in the morning and then have to use coffee to "wake up"?  We DO NOT all have the same internal clock!!!

So it is clear you hear what you want to hear even if it is not what was said.  Same with all the misinformation about soy.  Even though all the false and misleading claims by the Weston Price Foundation and the other link you posted have been completely debunked you are ignoring all the evidence and still listening to the debunked claims.

I'm outta this forum, anymore can read some pubmed articles and spout off what they feel is the truth.

That's fine.  Have fun sticking to your debunked bogus and misleading evidence.  It is not my job to convince the world of the truth.  I merely present the REAL evidence.  It is up to the individual to decide whether they want to research these facts or hold on to their debunked beliefs.

But when they read something that contradicts them, the research must have been "flawed" in some way.

Should I post all the research out there that proves the benefits of soy?  It will be quite extensive.  And what research has been presented to prove that soy is more dangerous than beef or dairy promoted by the Weston Price Foundation? The fact is that even though all their claims have been debunked you are holding on to their bogus claims with an iron fist.  You remind me a lot of the Moreless followers that believe ever bogus claim that he stated and would not budge regardless of how much evidence was presented.  For example his claim that acidity will cause our tissues to decay in to a puddle of "goo".  Being that the stomach, mouth, skin, female reproductive organs and parts of the intestine are all naturally acidic then how do they exist.  In fact the blood contains carbonic acid and cell in the body requires a number of acids to function such as citric acid, malic acid, pyruvic acid.....  And our cells made of fatty acids and amino acids are held together by hyaluronic acid.  And yet we are not blobs of "goo" as we should be according to the Moreless hypothesis.  Yet people still follow his teachings blindly even when common sense should be enough to tell them differently.  People are apparently just as blind when it comes to their following of the bogus misinformation the Weston Price Foundation has spewed out.  Even though their claims have been PROVEN to be misleading or outright lies people are still blindly following.  Weston Price has become their God, and misinformation their angels!!!

All the press Hver is giving Soy seems like he MUST be getting kickbacks from the industry some how just like WAP is getting from the beef and dairy industries.

Thanks for admitting that the Weston Price Foundation is getting kickbacks from the beef and dairy industries.  At least we are getting somewhere now!!!  As for myself, I do not have any ties to the soy industry and I don't sell soy.  I just believe in facts and not the sky is falling paranoia.