Double Take *edited*

Turiya wrote: "I don't consider participating in a campaign of spreading a lie around as a sharing."

Innercalm wrote: Consider this applied to your posts unless you are above this self realized standard. Then to come on after with Osho to try and nullify Gandhi's sensibility is kind of strange don't you think? You kinda break your own imposed rule to make your point, which not only takes the point and dulls it but does so with much irony

You have no idea of how truly grateful I am for your presence here.

Yes, it seems you have finally caught me in my own lies, IC. I am guilty as charged. Guilty of spreading lies... But before you pass further judgement on me, before you condemn me to an eternity of whatever penalty you think is fitting, I want to ask you if you can recall something else that was also said to you at another time, in another forum. I can remind you of it, because I think you may have overlooked it. Simple things are quite often overlooked. You may have even found it to be a bit absurd. But it does have relevance. You may remember it when you see it... What I said to you was this: 'all words are lies.'

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1539929

And, there is one other thing also: I have never said that the lies that I am telling is a form of 'sharing'. I admit it - whatever I post here is a out and out lie. Don't believe what I am saying. I am not 'sharing' it with anyone. Go find it out for yourself. Because the Truth is not something that can be said. Any attempt to put it into words, makes it come out a lie. So whatever is said - it is a flat out lie. Don't believe it. Never believe what anybody else tells you. Even if it labeled a 'sharing' of common beliefs - it is a lie!

So whatever it is that I have said, you have said, or anyone else has for that matter, it is a lie. You are then as guilty as I. You may think you are "sharing" something. But really not.  Anybody who opens their mouth, publishes a book, authors a blog. Don't believe them! Never believe what anybody else is telling to you.

Now my posting of an excerpt of what Osho had said in a discourse about a meeting he had with Mahatma Gandhi supports my position, just as your using Gandhi to support your position. You offer what Gandhi is reported to have said to support what you say, I can find someone else with an opposing opinion of the man. The history books are full of BS. How can anybody believe what either man is reportedly to have said as being true. Certainly, Osho has an opposing opinion of Mahatma Gandhi than you do.

Mahtma Gandhi has been very well respected by the establishment. He's been hoisted high up on a pedestal for others to follow, to be set as an example, to try to mimic and be like. Osho is very well known as being just a charleton... a phony... a sex guru. There are plenty of blogs and websites from people that claim to have known this man personally, and say what an absolute fake the man was. So, who are you going to believe? The man who has been given positive press, or the one given negative press. What are you going to believe? Who are you going to try to emulate? If you are part of the establishment, the crowd, you will probably choose Gandhi. If you feel that you are no longer part of the crowd then you may try to find some other ideal to follow. Whatever you choose to believe, is it being shared? Or is it blindly accepted to be true. And if it is blindly accepted to be true by alot of people, then it becomes common amongst them... a common belief.

What I am saying is don't choose anybody to look up to, just be yourself. If you are into doing violence, then do it, see where it takes you. If it takes you to hell, then learn from it, learn from your life experience. Don't put somebody's philosophy in your head and try to live up to it, otherwise you will miss your own life by trying to live like someone else. By trying to follow the philosophy of another, you are going to miss being yourself.

This is how the masses are exploited. Whoever is given positive press, the masses blindly absorb as true. Told enough times, believe it and the truth gets buried underneath it. Are you old enough to remember the "pay your taxes" campaign? Walt Disney helped to create a common belief that everyone is required to pay so-called "income" taxes. Was Walt Disney sharing truth? Or was he helping to mesmerize very young minds into adopting a common belief? I don’t think that it can be called a "sharing." Instead, he was employed, he was paid good money for his talent to be part of a propaganda campaign. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00u6qUelp6c
The masses have chosen to believe in it rather to do their own research on it. Hence, a 'common belief' has been created. How far has this society drifted away from the truth about the income tax?  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7521758492370018023&hl=en#

Invincible wrote: "Siding with anyone is what creates separation." You reponded with: "Not really." Then came my post and the three R's thingy... a monitor sided with what was said in my post... which you are obviously feeling putoff about. Separation created, duh? I think that illustrates  the point... But I am in agreement with regard to the use of R ratings, it tends to fuel an artifical feeling of separation with those that are easily influenced by such things.

Thanks, IC, for helping to clear up any confusion that I may been caused. I agree with you that a respect for all other forms of life is severly lacking. But, hey, if a certain % of people come to understand this, then it will become contagious with those that are within close proximity. It is not something that can be imposed from without.  Imposition will only be met with opposition.

cheers -*- turiya