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Hi everyone,
I am unsure if have come to the right forum, but it looks about right.
My question is regarding an experience I have had several times (the most recent while on the Master Cleanse). In this most recent time I had to get up for an early trip to the bathroom and when I went back to bed I lay on my back. Why I did this next bit I don't know, but basically I felt my eyes roll upwards and my eyelids fickered rapidly. I started hearing voices arond me and footsteps like hearing children running down the hall in the distance. I remember something was quite funny and actually remember laughing out loud and wondering what my roommates would think if they heard me. The "dream" then progressed to the point that something would pop into my head like a normal dream, but in this case I was directing the images and things occured as I wished ( in this case lets just say it was a pleasant experience and I was woken up as I was getting into it) This is not to say that this normal for these "dream states" but happens to be what I remember from the latest episode.
If anyone has any insight or comments I would really appreciate anything that could help me understand.
Thanks very much in advance,
Colin
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Hi everyone,
I am unsure if have come to the right forum, but it looks about right.
My question is regarding an experience I have had several times (the most recent while on the Master Cleanse). In this most recent time I had to get up for an early trip to the bathroom and when I went back to bed I lay on my back. Why I did this next bit I don't know, but basically I felt my eyes roll upwards and my eyelids fickered rapidly. I started hearing voices arond me and footsteps like hearing children running down the hall in the distance. I remember something was quite funny and actually remember laughing out loud and wondering what my roommates would think if they heard me. The "dream" then progressed to the point that something would pop into my head like a normal dream, but in this case I was directing the images and things occured as I wished ( in this case lets just say it was a pleasant experience and I was woken up as I was getting into it) This is not to say that this normal for these "dream states" but happens to be what I remember from the latest episode.
If anyone has any insight or comments I would really appreciate anything that could help me understand.
Thanks very much in advance,
Colin
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This is a reply to # 506,588Hi Colin!
Welcome!
Well - the dreams that I have had that are as you are describing were usually accompanied by fearful feelings as though I was beginning to leave my body (precursor to an OBE)...so I think what you are experiencing is a little different.
It does sound like you are entering another frequency, though! And it sounds quite pleasant....again, I've had lucid dreams where I wake up, look around and proceed to wander around my apartment in search of interesting things to do (I usually end up jumping up and touching my head to the high ceilings - or putting my hands through solid objects!) - but you get the picture. These are different than the OBE's...these are totally lucid, like you say, where you direct your actions and you know you are in another world, 'dreaming', not in this one.
I think that Anthony might have some insight into your experience as it sounds like a state he's been in before...
Hope you have more and remember the details!
Tracey
*laughing in any sort of dream is always very healing - perhaps you needed some healing, good feelings at that time*
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This is a reply to # 506,588Colin, although no expert on this matter, I have had several occurrences of this type.
These states appear most often when one awakes and then retreats back to a pre-slumber state. It can also happen when one is involved in deep thought or reverie, the kind that you feel- so intimately, that you fall headfirst into awareness of your imagination. The conscious mind is somehow bypassed as in hypnosis and your thoughts (the combined expression of your awareness) is carried out with immediate manifestation having no ego, doubt, fear etc to filter through.
Your thoughts create your reality, they always have, so waking life is also a dream (just not as noticeable because of delayed manifestation and lack of awarenss of totality) In waking life we do not realize because of the delay that we have created our worlds or universe in perspective from our imaginal thoughts. This gives the illusion of separation.
The eyes flickering is common in a deeply relaxed state akin to the dream state. You have somehow lulled the conscious mind to sleep while tapping into the stuff of dreams and experiencing a real time awareness....you are participating in your dreams with all awareness as opposed to recalling them when you wake. Laughing is probably realizing a state of joy that you deserve but rarely create because if those rogue uncontrolled thoughts (get control of your thoughts!!!)
I Am convinced that we operate in any number of states but only consciously have awareness of this one state in which we occupy now by this communication here on curezone. We can grow to have the awareness of other lives which are seemingly by mind called past lives or future lives... I Am of this belief that this is occurring for many.
The mind is a terrible thing to waste, even better it is an incredible lathe in which to create...
A couple of instances provided by link for your perusal
Anthony
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Colin, although no expert on this manner, I have had several instances of this type.
These states appear most often when one awakes and retreats back to a pre-slumber state. It can also happen in deep thought or reverie, the kind that you feel- so intimately that you fall into your imagination. The consciousness is somehow bypassed as in hypnosis and your thoughts (the combined expression of your awareness) is carried out with immediate manifestation having no ego, doubt, fear etc to filter through Your thoughts create your reality so you are living a waking dream (just not as noticeable because of delayed manifestation) In waking life we do not realize because of the delay that we have created from our imaginal thoughts. This gives the illusion of separation.
The eyes flickering is common in a deeply relaxed state akin to the dream state. You have somehow lulled the conscious mind to sleep while tapping into the stuff of dreams and experiencing a real time awareness....you are participating in your dreams with all awareness as opposed to recalling them when you wake. Laughing is probably realizing a state of joy that you deserve but rarely create because if those rogue uncontrolled thoughts (get control of your thoughts!!!)
I Am convinced that we operate in any number of states but only consciously have awareness of this one state in which we occupy now by this communication here on curezone. We can grow to have the awareness of other lives seemingly by mind to be called past lives or future lives... I Am of this belief that this is occurring for many.
The mind is a terrible thing to waste, even better it is an incredible lathe in which to create...
A couple of instances provided by link for your perusal
Anthony
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This is a reply to # 506,612Hi, Anthony
I asked Andreas about this subject yesterday. He answered more to the nature of other dimensions, as I asked. But I was also wondering if our other states are aware that they are simply a projection. Wondering if they have similar experiences as this one: right now mine is in duality, aware of and gaining experience with unity consciousness.
Please comment if you like, especially since you are aware of some of your other states.
BTW, you have mentioned a couple of times 'get control of thoughts'. If you like, I would like to hear more about your thoughts on this.
Right now I find myself aware that mostly the negative perspective thoughts are first, then counteracted with positive, so I think they are equalized. I'm anticipating when they are more frequently positive to begin with, or judgement not even considered at all, just observations. I see it (no-judgement thoughts) as a layer underneath a heavy, controlling ego, or something.
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This is a reply to # 506,614Yes Lori I didn't get into extradimensional realites kinda heavy for intros. I wonder if our consciousness is limited here and our projections may have awareness and consciousness of us or we may appear as projections to them that they are trying to integrate.
Yes Andreas feels that all these selves will be integrating in some now.
I was just browsing before I came here, so I shall use the post by Allison Scruggs as my foundation. The internal tapes can run haywire even when we try to overtly or externally be positive. We really believe these negative things inside and we have to change them to change our lives.
Your noticing the thought process is good yet we often cannot gain control of the thoughts by counteracting them because the rogue thought has come first and it's manifestation is immediately set in motion....it still must manifest somewhere down the road despite a positive thought that comes next. All the better to control the faculty by which the thought comes and train the mind to think only good thoughts....easier said than done.....yet keeps you in a flow state one of abundance and never lacking, never stumbling or falling. There would seem to come a point when the flow state is natural and the thoughts unchecked are also in line with that flow...this takes some work to sweep out all the fear and causes for the rogue thoughts as I call them the mind is trained and it becomes natural and eventually effortless..
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This is a reply to # 506,619HI, Anthony
I like the way you describe the subject of thoughts.
I could ask more questions (about how to train the mind) but it probably wouldn't serve much purpose other than to satisfy my mind. To add more to my 'to-do' list which is already full. It's one of those things that I have to come to on my own - to start maneuvering this path.
In retrospect, it is at times effortless to be in a state of awareness with no emotional attachment and it's just a matter of living that way more and more. Peeling back those layers of fear and inhibition, like you say.
On the other hand, I respect our experiences and I trust the place that any one of us is at. What I mean is, the opportunities for awareness and transformation present themselves perfectly.
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This is a reply to # 506,621<<>>>>>
Yes It is easy to appreciate the state of awareness as you say, and that appreciation will open the door to enjoy more and more of it.
<<<<<<< the opportunities for awareness and transformation present themselves perfectly.<<<<
Amen......thank you for your feedback. Effortless, awareness, appreciation, presenting itself perfectly...I'll take 2 servings of that!
A.
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This is a reply to # 506,621Hi I was delving more into the realm of thoughts and thinking about these states of altered reality shifts that I have had. I had browsed the affirmation page here and was thinking about how past ideas of affirmations or mental ways of getting rid of negative states have not been always fruitful. Affirmations seem to be a denial of actual states eg: I Am Happy and content, or I Am absolute health, when I Am living in a state of sadness and mal- or is it discontent. You must then repeatedly repeat the denials which is equivalent to covering up your ears and humming to drown out what you do not want to hear. It came to me "in between breaths" that is my term for the realm of my higher self that happy and content are states.... You can only be a state... you cannot say it or do it only be it....
Being causes thinking, which causes doing, this puts in place the system to receive and experience what you created in your experience of being and thinking. Being is what causes thinking. So, when you are happy, you will think
happy thoughts.
Happy conditions do not make you happy. It is being happy that causes happy conditions. Unhappy conditions only prove your pre-existing state of unhappiness.
Some of my recent dreams and visions have confirmed this that When you choose to be a certain state right now, you activate
creation. What happens then is that you immediately move your
consciousness to that other you.. which is what you want or desire to be.
It causes an instant shift. Manifestation follows to the degree that you have become that state without doubt., your reality will quickly shift to reflect it. The fastest way to create is to simply be, right now, whatever you
wish to create. Then do not negate it by thought. Do not think about
it. Just be. All your thoughts, words and actions after that should be in agreeance.
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This is a reply to # 506,669Dear Anthony,
You speak what I think!
It's funny how much I don't say, for sake of coming across as objective. I need to explore this censorship compulsion.
Anywayyyy..Great insight!!!
Yes, I totally agree. And it's great that your higher realm experiences confirm this! So it is true.
Would you like to hear my personal interpretations? If not, turn back now!!! :)
That which we resist will attract more of the same energy. I have gone through a lot of realizations within the last year and see how it affects us when we reject/resist any part of ourselves.
I have been seriously contemplating what I'm doing. Am I accepting myself when I wish something is different? Simultaneously, though, I observe my situation. I have recently begun to acknowledge all my states/beings/emotions. Right now I am primarily dealing with my over-critical, controlling ego. It just doesn't let up!
So, what I'm doing now is, as much as I'm conscious, remember who I am. Remember my essence. Remember that I don't have to be angry, defensive, etc. In that instant, however, I do acknowledge the feeling. But then try to get a different perspective.
I think this is what you're talking about. Choice. I realize how often times these emotions (anger, hurt, etc) are remnants from a past situation or apprehension because I'm doubting that a future event will happen as I wish. When I can stay in the moment, I remember who I am more easily.
I see it as our core nature is a spiritual one, in alignment with natural cycles and internal knowingness. The ego is a blanket covering that, for me anyway. My goal is to uncover it so that I can be my core nature more readily. My ego seems to be overbearing. It is a very strong voice.
Maybe it is that it has been silent for so long, or rather, I just didn't hear it so clearly. So I'm thinking it's OK to let it talk and feel heard. The problem becomes that I guess I still believe it.
So, is it that I'm in a state of criticism? So I shouldn't try to change it? But it just feels so weird. Like that's not the 'right thing' to do. I mean, who WANTS to feel this way? Like we're not good enough? No one wants to feel that way. But that's what I'm experiencing.
In the end, I try to trust my experiences. I know I am in the right place. I know a lot of this is my ego shadowing my perception, but man, it's cloudy! And when you are in a state like this that's prolonged, it's challenging. That's also what I meant when opportunities will present themselves perfectly: a way to try to say we are all in the right place. When it is time to tranform, it will happen.
A complicated subject I think, but please do share your thoughts - especially about the overbearing ego stuff. I think I went all over the place but you probably get my drift.
Love
Lori
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This is a reply to # 506,677Dear Lori,
I see you as speaking with tact and great insight.
Of course I'd like to hear your thoughts.
Yes law of attraction works for all whether we view them as good or bad...energy follows thought. we move toward whatever we imagine. What we assume, expect or believe creates our experience. By changing our expectations, we change our experience of every aspect of life.
I like what you are doing to contemplate and examine and therefore understand yourself and why you operate as you do.
Don't look at yourself as critical or overbearing....if it helps really take notice of others...people you admire and have the qualities that you would like to have and congratulate them for being like you want to be...Now imagine that you are just as them and live from the end that you are already that which you wish to be.
The ego can be like that, after all it is supposed to be protective and can do so to the point that it is afraid to integrate with the higher facilities. The trick is to get the ego into the mix and not be threatening to its existence.
All of this is our perception and we know that perception is altered and when we come into alignment things will fall into place and we will have different understanding.
Hmmmm.. Well it seems that the state a person admits into his consciousness is the cause of one man being rich and another poor. The poor man admits to being in the state of poverty by saying, I am poor, just as the rich man admits wealth by saying, I am rich. Anything you claim yourself to be (be it good, bad or indifferent, right or wrong) must be made manifest in your world, by claiming the state, you have consented to its life.
"I AM" this or that makes claim to a state of being all that follows is made manifest or the effect of that we make claim to being
We must be aware of the times we make claim to that which we wish not to be and correct the errors that we were not aware of before now - The ones that we have used in an unconcious way repeatedly Not realizing that we were affirming that which we did not want
"I AM" so stupid or "I AM" a glutton for punishment....
These little phrases that we say all day in our minds or feel on some deep level cover all that we desire to see in our world with a film of negativity - We meditate or do afirmations then we go on with our daily routine thinking thoughts and feeling emotions that are actually counter productive to our original intent
We actually spend our days erasing the new thoughts/seeds with the old programmed response thoughst and feelings we have not taken notice of these little vacuums we have created that take away our dreams
Stay focused on what it is we wish to see in our world and be watchful for what we allow in and out of our being and be intent.
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This is a reply to # 506,682Good morning, Anthony
Yes, intention is the key. I wanted to mention somewhere in an earlier post but lost track of how to bring it up.
That is what saves me many times: intention. What do I want? What is my goal? What is my broad intention? And it is always one of truth and love. My response may not be to those ends, and I may get sidetracked for days on end, but when I remember my intent, it helps.
You know I didn't understand this concept a few years ago: that the intent will be manifested. Just people don't always realize what they're true intent is. Putting on a smile when you are cursing them under your breath, as you say. Now I see, you can want something but the underlying intent is what will determine your direction.
To go a little further, a lot of times our ego is in control and its intent is manifested, rightly so. That's OK too. All part of the experience. Now to bring it back to balance.
That's the difference you and I and countless others contemplate: which intent will we follow. Great thing is we have a choice and can change.
Personally I don't agree with bashing the ego into submission, this is the same approach as the ego/old law. As I'm sure you've heard this spiritual truth in one way or another:
To solve any problem, a lasting solution may be reached when approaching it from a higher level than the problem occurred.
I always take this to mean higher level = spiritual.
Sometimes it's hard to get past the ego and see from a spiritual (heart) perspective but this practice is truth.
Love
Lori
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This is a reply to # 506,669Since this morning I've gotten some more insight into my particular situation - worried about the ego aspect of myself.
I got some really good insight. I have been rejecting this part of myself. Actually, I don't know how much rejecting, maybe rather just not addressing it directly. But I am aware of its presence enough that it is time to address it directly, face to face, so to speak, and converse consciously.
Apparently it feels the need to judge and criticize for a reason, it is not happy, my goal is to converse with it and find out why. Comfort it. We'll see what happens.
Basically I am going to address this aspect directly. I've done this with other parts of myself and it is quite effective. I just haven't done it with this part of myself.
It appears this part of myself holds much meaning attached with my actions and hence makes judgement on myself according to what actions I perform. It's also about expectations I have for self-change. I have the all-or-nothing complex, what a hoot! All about balance and acceptance.
That whole judgement issue. One of the biggest to tranform, and with respect, it is deeply embedded within us.
I have gotten alot of insight and progression with this from our (well, mine, at this point) conversation about this topic. Thanks so much for bringing it up. I await your comments.
Lori
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This is a reply to # 506,680Lori,
yeah I'd gamble more on not adressing it directly.
As I said before the ego is supoosed to protect us. It is however like a child and quite stubborn especially if it sees relinquishing power with no benefit for it.
I Am a believer that if my ego is constantly critical that it is a guage of how critical I Am to others. It is not good for me just to control my tongue that is easy as oppsed to controlling my thoughts. Controlling the thoughts is not so much wrestling them into submission but understanding what I presented previously about right thinking.
So whatever methods You utilize to get to that end know that the higher spiritually you climb the greater your responsibility and what you are responsible for. "To whom much is given much is expected." There is also the path you choose to operate on either that of the law )karmic or the other way that Jesus and other masters operated under which is "grace and truth" it is easier to operate under the law and be nominal or step up into non-judgement and transcend.
The hard sayings of jesus like "turn the other cheek when you are slapped. File no lawsuits against those who may file them against you. Do not defend yourself even to the death, blessed are the poor in spirit, humble, meek, etc..." This means that if you appear to be humble and meek yet harbor thoughts of venegeance or anger or any judgement even of good, that you have already committed an error because thought energy is causative factor that causes one to speak or talk or act.
It seems that perhaps you are at a point where you can decide to operate in a higher kingdom if you can rein the causative power. Hard to operate in two worlds. Your higher self will create what it feels you are ready for until you can build the bridge to communicate with the higher self straightaway, face to face.
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This is a reply to # 506,685Yes, I am in transition between worlds, as you say. I have had some time in the spiritual and am slowly transitioning to have more of these moments.
It's all in perfect order, as you say. It's fruitless to try to force, but then again sometimes we choose to learn the hard/material way, don't we!
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