OliveOil11,

Just Be more realistic and may be Wise when you set a particular number of days for a water fast. Try to find that 'Golden middle' in your attempts to do so. To me you sound logical.. I mean you do not sound to me like some here - I am going to 45 days of water fast!! Who is with me and then... Hey can you tell me something about Water Fast - what is that really.... U know, it is just Rediculous to hear that!....

See, if you are Mentally ready for prolonged one and prepeared yourself for it (I found before that if I prepare myself even for couple of days prior to it by eating healthy foods) then it is Easier for me to pass those 3-4 initial days of it. I still beleive Autoimmune requires Nutritional approach on Most part so if you really want to do that kick start then may be just go for 10-15 days the most and then just do your re-feeding (which should be equal to the same number of days - start with fresh perferably veg and green based juices and at times fruits one like orange, then fruits, then salads.. actually healty fats u can start by little from day 4 or so and on day 6-7 some proteins or charbs.. the ones which should be eaten Separately - read the Right combining of foods rules too).... Chew food very well and try not to distruct urself on watching Tv or talking much.

I understand how it feels like when you loose a kid. I also lost my son wen I gave him a birth (doc said separation of placenta) being 28 weeks into it and he lived only slightly more than a month... so ya....but Life Continues, u know.... :)... It All will be Good. :)

I also was and kinda is addicted to Sugar but I am Fixing it now. Bought some Probiotics, L-glutamine (to heal my gut), digestive enzymes and so on (based on that book and extra reading). I was not eating meat for 3 years and tis year when I hit that 3 year level I ate this year the meat may bee 5 times...... The doc I mentioned was also vegetarian but after she got Autoimmune and realised what was the problem.. she became a meat eater again (Sorry Archus, I know you do not eat meat)... but she advises organic grass fed one though. In the book I mentioned she also giving many recipes you can choose from. :)....... I did not plan to start eating meat but I guess I will again 1-2-3 the most (chicken mainly) coz as I read recently that grains, legumes and nuts basically are HUSH for our digestive system and they Affect the gut lining too causing leaky gut with time - GLUTEN and Milk do so a BIG time too.. Meat is also (to my knowlede (I am into Nutritional field for more than 15 years) I heard canserogenic too but that doctor's mum was pure vegetarian and she Stil died of cancer. And I read many stories that the main accent should be done on HEALTHY eating like fresh (mainly veg and green juices), raw salad added to your meals, almost avoidance of grains, limitations of legumes and nuts if any (soaking in hot water for number of days - legumes, nuts in slightly salty warm water for 24h at least), organic foods and no cemical, loads of greens, even organic grass fed meat did Wonders and I watched the video about how a lady cured MS through this diet but, ya, she also ate healthy meat in moderations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjgBLwH3Wc – Multiple Sclerosis Cure


So, I might have leaky gut too (due to wrong eating habbits and diet full of Sugar) so I am Going to follow that protacol (ways) that doc advises for a few months and yes I will be eating organic chicken up to 3 times a weeks plus fish ones.... and after I fix it and my gut lining becomes stronger then I surely atart adding 2-3 times a week soaked for number of days legumes and nuts ones a week (also soaked prior).. mainly I will drink veg fresh juices with greens and fruits for breakfast and without mixing with other foods... u knowthis way.. plus probiotics and L-glutamine (3-5g a day) to Heal my gut lining and then maintain it. Read also about dangers of Fructose (15-25g a day Max in a frm of fruits I guess)... If you want me to post you some links about healthy gut, probiotics, my healthy plan (obviously fee :p ) then find me on fb - nadia_spiridonova@hotmail.co.uk and send me your email that way and I will direct you all that info (all people who read that can do so - I will be Happy to help). :)

Dr. Fuhrman also suggest his successful autoimmune protocol but I did not read it so you need to study Urself :)

https://www.drfuhrman.com/library/nutrition_autoimmune.aspx

Read this post of mine too. It is about Probiotics and, at the end of that post, I gave another link where I say how to stick to Healthier ways of eating based on my own knowledge about all that plus the advices of doctors. :)

//www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2292539#i

Be Well. :)

Nadia

OliveOil11,

.. before buying that book you might want to check the idea about it out and Google The Myers Way. This way you will get a better idea what that doc stans for. I Loved reading that book actually.. it was written in a very Warm and I would say easy going way. Also Dr. Myers, at the end of the book, gives some Useful links of where to buy some stuff which will influence your health in so many Good ways. I beleive that book many of us should read even if we do not have that Autoimmune thing. Simply to understand what is wrong and what is write to eat..

I m Still confused about whether we really need to eat that meat thing. Even the structure of our teeth tells us we are Not meat eaters! But if grains, legumes, nuts are Not that healthy.. if gluten thing should be avoided.. if milk is on the 'nah list'.. then WHAT can be eaten?? Water Fasting for life?? :))) - I do not think it will keep us going for long...

I personallly think we do need to try and find that 'Golden Middle' in all that contradictory things on the net and in just in general... Meat is cancerogenic - ok perhaps but taking into account above mentioned things about legumes and grains then i would rather eat meat (organic and grass fed) 2-3 times a week MAX and reduce 'the exposure' of my body to above mentioned stuff and also try to eat organic whenever possible and also limit that junk stuff which Hardly can be called food (watch Hungry for Change and Food Matters movies - SOOOO INSPIRING Stuff to have nearby!!).. And as I said IF that doc really cured herself from her autoimmune thyroid thing and have Huge amount of patients who are Also benefited from her diet then Why Not to just go for it? Even for the duration of time while u are Fixing yourself. Ok, LET IT BE MEAT AND FISH (God forbids) but IF it is required to be HEALED then ya I would Go for it! U Need yoru protein anyway and if you remove nuts, milk, legumes out of ur meals then How on Earth you can have this?..Plus that link about MS cure also that lady ate health meet and loads of Greens.... As I said after the issue is cured (as that doc also says so) you can include in ur diet some grains and legumes and nuts but in very moderations (soak in water for Durable amount of time Beforehand - study this topic More in the net urself). So wy not?? :)

GLUTEN containing products and all its Hidden sources should be AVOIDED for good bacially.. milk better too.. if you still want it on occasional base then it is better be RAW and goat one if poss.. but that doc recommends No milk at all - so decision is Yours. :)

That doc also pays attention to Importance not only probiotics, L-glutamine, digestive enzymes but also vitamine D3, A, C (102g a day), E, Zink, Selenium to cure it all (plus other supplements). Consider taking certified organic spirulina or/ and chlorella poweders too. I personally Love this product - http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Certified-Organic-Spirulina-Powder-1-lb-454-g/7262 - it is Great during Pregnancy and breastfeeding too plus it supplies Probiotics to the system (y)

So here it comes! :).. An try to cook on RAW coconut oil whenever you can.. it is weight balancing, candida balancing and it is the Only oil which remains still healthy even under High temperatures (gal level should be a bit less than average)!

Try Not to overeat protein as it prevents absorbtion of Calcium in Colon (I read that for a woman -38g a day, a man - 47g a day).

Also I do not see the Water Fast as a Cure of Autoimmune stuff IF after that you again gonna eat prohibited foods. You know what I mean?..

And do not forget to read the link I mentioned where I give extra Health advices :) - //www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2292539#i

Hope it helps. :)

Nadia

OliveOil11,

You are most welcome and thank you for the kind words.

My deepest sympathies to you and your family about your loss of a child. Mothers are the only ones who are affected by this pain the most and the child birth. Nature works in an amazing way. Although our minds are attached to the unborn and we hope for the best, nature decides what is best for the soul that is arriving on this plane. Hard it may be for us to bear the pain of sorrow, it is knowing that nature had the best intention for that soul, not looking at our shortcomings and blaming ourselves is the way to be balanced. Peace.

I am glad to hear that you are fasting for spiritual reason. In that case, I would go by how do you feel? If you are feeling good about it then continue the fast. Stay tuned with your body and mind, at a slightest indication of it is time to stop break the fast with organic orange, Watermelon or grapefruit. Build up your appetite slowly.If you know you had this condition due to vaccines and from age 3, you will definitely benefit from intermittent fasting.

If it is possible to find a good naturopath it would be good to get a full saliva test done. It will give you an idea of how bad your adrenals are affected with the trauma.

After you break your fast start taking Lugol's Iodine starting with one drop adding one more drop everyday. Then please check the FAQ section on the Iodine forum here on CZ about cosupplements for Iodine supplementation. Shythroid is a synthetic drug and has many side effects, females get Breast Cancer from taking this drug.

I would stick to the diet you are on. I would say raw foods are the best, but since you do have some adrenal issues, some cooked foods are necessary for you too. Please go to Adrenal support forum for more help.

Nadia posted a good link about Dr. Fuhrman, I have met him, he would advice you the same as I have above about the diet. Only thing I would supplement with is B12. Although you make enough B12 if you do not eat Sugar or drink alcohol. I have never eaten meat, fish, chicken in my life and neither did my forefathers for 5000 years. We are not only we eat, but what our grandparents ate. Google that and you will be surprised.

I know you will be healthy again, but patience is much needed and eating plant based micronutrients is vital.

Please do not hesitate to post again.

Archus