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I think my 1st day was pretty shaky but I know tomorrow will be easier. My hubby was BBQing dinner and then watching Food Network - I was ready to wring his neck! But I kept reminding myself that nothing tastes (or smells) as good as thin feels. Wish me luck for tommorrow. I think the greatest support is reading all your wonderful messages- thanks for the insight!- Re: Thanks guys - good advice! lotus33
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Hope all is well with you! Your post made me laugh as my husband (who btw is very slim & takes no exercise, eats poorly, smokes & drinks beer) is always watching the Food Network! It drives me insane!
Anyway, this is my first day. I'm determined to get healthy again & to look really nice by Christmas/New Year's.
Ugh! That salt water flush is so revolting!
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Hi Lotus!
When you're drinking that salt water, try nuking it for a minute or 2, then when you drink it imagine that it is chicken soup (without the chicken, of course!) - it works for me. Then before you know it, an hour later - you'll feel so much lighter.
Well this is day 2 for me - I'm not disciplined really, but I feel motivated about looking good for the holidays. The article on Robin Quivers piqued my curiosity, then when I bought the book (MC), I was convinced that this was for me. What I like about this diet, is that it is rather simple and I can follow it and noone (around me) really has to know (except hubby, of course.). I have done just about every type of diet and what I really don't need, from family and friends, is the whole 'here she goes again' attitude. And if I cave in at any point, I'll just start up again and noone will know expect me, my hubby and you fine people of the forum, of course! Have a great day and good luck on your 1st day!
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This is a reply to # 221,489Which article on Robin Quivers are you referring to? She is also the reason I am cleansing but I have found too much written about her experience.
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This is a reply to # 221,489I see this Robyn Quivers thing come up quite a bit related to weight loss. Robyn Quivers did >not< do the Master-Cleanse to loose weight. She did it because she had some life threatening problems with Irritable Bowel Syndrome like illness. The weight loss really was like a side benefit but all the media seems to focus on is the weight loss thing. Right after that article the forum was inundated with deperate people cackling only about "how much did you loose today" yap yap yap ad nauseum. It pretty much made the forum useless for any usefull discussion on the MC.
First of all fasting slows down the metabolism, this is a fact of life and the body was created to do this. This is one of the reasons that any kind of fast including the Master-Cleanse is not the best way to lose weight over a long period of time. However, fasting does cleanse the system allowing it to function better and assimilate more nutrients from less food. It just >>isn't<< a diet, its a tool to make a correct diet more efficient. Try to look at this as a cleanse, not a weight loss plan. When it is over you can enjoy the benefits of a healthier body while you lose weight safely and effectively.
You will loose weight on the MC. How much depends on many factors. When you fast it gives your digestive system a break and the body will try to repair itself and use the extra energy to do what it needs to do the most FIRST and that might not include weightloss depending on your level of toxicity. Don't count on loosing a specific amount cause you will be disappointed if you don't. It works different for each individual.
Now all that being said I will tell you that the Master-Cleanse is NOT a weight loss diet primarily. It is a as the name implies a "Cleanse" and it's primary function is to heal. The MC or any other "fasts" are not a good way to loose weight >>>UNLESS<<< you are committed to long term maintenance afterwards. When you fast your metabolism slows down considerably and if you don't follow up with a good solid healthy Diet and REGULAR exercise afterwards you'll very likely gain most if not all and possibly more than you lost on the fast. There a quite a few stories on this forum below is an exerpt from one
"I did 18 days of MC a few months back and did what you did, ate every thing in sight. I lost about 25lbs but put it all back on plus a lot more quicker than I would have thought possible. I remember that I gained 10 or 15 lbs. the a week after."
If you go back to your old habits you >will< gain the weight back and maybe more. What you do after the MC is just as relevant and important if you expect to maintain your weight loss.
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I see this Roby Quivers come up quite a bit related to weight loss. Roby quivers did not do the MC to loose weight she did it because she had some life threatening problems with Irritable bowel like illness the weight loss really was like a side benefit but all the media seems to focus on is the weight loss thing. Right after that article the forum was inundated with deperate people cackling only about "how much did you loose today" yap yap yap.
First of all fasting slows down the metabolism, this is a fact of life and the body was created to do this. This is one of the reasons that any kind of fast including the MC is not the best way to lose weight over a long period of time. However, fasting does cleanse the system allowing it to function better and assimilate more nutrients from less food. It just >>isn't<< a diet, its a tool to make a correct diet more efficient. Try to look at this as a cleanse, not a weight loss plan. When it is over you can enjoy the benefits of a healthier body while you lose weight safely and effectively.
You will loose weight on the MC. How much depends on many factors. When you fast it gives your digestive system a break and the body will try to repair itself and use the extra energy to do what it needs to do the most FIRST and that might not include weightloss depending on your level of toxicity. Don't count on loosing a specific amount cause you will be disappointed if you don't. It works different for each individual.
Now all that being said I will tell you that the MC is NOT a weight loss diet primarily. It is a as the name implies a "Cleanse" and it's primary function is to heal. The MC or any other "fasts" are not a good way to loose weight >>>UNLESS<<< you are committed to long term maintenance afterwards. When you fast your metabolism slows down considerably and if you don't follow up with a good solid healthy Diet and REGULAR exercise afterwards you'll very likely gain most if not all and possibly more than you lost on the fast. There a quite a few stories on this forum below is an exerpt from one
"I did 18 days of MC a few months back and did what you did, ate every thing in sight. I lost about 25lbs but put it all back on plus a lot more quicker than I would have thought possible. I remember that I gained 10 or 15 lbs. the a week after."
If you go back to your old habits you >will< gain the weigh back and maybe more. What you do after the MC is just as relevant and important if you expect to maintain your weight loss.
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AY PEPE! I am new to this forum, so I hope that I didn't sound like one of those cackling desperados who only provide useless discussion, that you so colorfully referred to. As I mentioned before, the Quivers article piqued my curiosity, but I did do a bit of research and devised a weight loss plan for myself that includes exercise ( I just joined one of the circuit training franchises) and of course healthy eating habits after I am done with the cleansing. Now the tricky part is to stick with it, I am testing my endurance because I admit that I am not very disciplined. Day 2, so far - so good.
I must say that all these cleansing forums (example - liver flush) intrigue me immensely, and I am seriously considering trying some of these out. I can't believe actual pebbles come out! Wicked!
You seem to be really informed - now you have piqued my curiosity! Why and when did you initiate the Master-Cleanse and if you lost weight, how much?-
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This is a reply to # 221,520Hey M I wasn't referring to you or anybody here as far as the cackling goes. My main beef is how the all the media wrote about was the weight loss and all but ignored the real reason Robyn did the Master-Cleanse after David Blaine recommended it to her.
You’re on the right track with the exercise and the diet focus for after the MC. Definitely check into the Liver Flush and other cleanses. When you see what comes out of you. You'll be taken aback when you realize that all that stuff was inside you. Check out the link below to see pixs of the mess o stones I passed on my 3rd liver flush.
I went through a bacterial infection in my leg from a little bump I got on a river while out canoeing. It put me in the hospital for like 12 days. I was on heavy Antibiotics for I guess like 6 weeks or more. Since they didn't know the strain of the bacteria that got me they gave me a wide spectrum Antibiotic and that killed all the bad stuff but also all the good stuff.
That whole ordeal along with some complications with kidney stone troubles I had had earlier took alot of life out of me. It was interferering with my passion for whitewater canoeing to the point of rivers that I would paddle with gusto I was having to stop half way just to gather energy to finish the run. Well I wasn't having that, no siree!
I knew I had to do something radical to get my health and stamina back. Like most folks I procrastinated and the finally decided to do a juice fast. I did it for 10 days and on the 11th day I went paddling. Man was I amazed at the difference in my energy levels.
Well more procastination ensued for about another year. I had just finished a job where I had made enough money that I could just lay off work for a few moths if I wanted so I decided that I was gonna take that time to get healthy. I started again with a juice fast. In the meantime I started researching the internet on fasting and came upon this site and read about the MC. I just intuitively knew it was for me and mid juice fast I switched to the MC.
I started with a 2 week goal in mind but at day 14 I was feeling so good and had so much energy that I kept going to day 40. I was around 45 lbs overweight but I never even weighed myself or gave any thought to the weight loss aspect. Being overweight is not a thing in and of itself it is the manifestation of many possible causes. I knew that the Master-Cleanse was addressing the root cause and I looked forward to really getting in shape and loosing the weight with diet and exercise. I only lost 20 in 40 days. I couldn't care less of the amount I just knew that I was feeling great full of energy and that I was well on my way to a new life. For about a year and half or more I ate a pristine diet and went to the gym 3 to 4 times a week. I have done more than 16 Liver Flushes to date and 3 MCs altogether (40/28/21).
I have slacked of a bit lately but not too bad. I still eat quite well and get at least one to two good workouts a week. I'm doing a Liver Flush tonight as a matter of fact and I'm really getting back on my exercise thing and work permitting will be doing my regular 3 to 4 days a week routine again.
I suggest to you and anybody else not to focus on the weight but healing the whole being. Just stay off the scales. You'll know by the way your clothes fit you and casual acquaintances passing you on the street and not even recognizing you ;+D
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Hey M I wasn't referring to you or anybody here as far as the cackling goes. My main beef is how the all the media wrote about and all but ignored the reason Robyn did the Master-Cleanse after David Blaine recommended it to her.
You’re on the right track with the exercise and the diet focus for after the MC. Definitely check into the Liver Flush and other cleanses. When you see what comes out of you. You'll be taken aback when you realize that all that stuff was inside you. Check out the link below to see pixs of the mess o stones I passed on my 3rd liver flush.
I went through a bacterial infection in my leg from a little bump I got on a river while out canoeing. It put me in the hospital for like 12 days. I was on heavy Antibiotics for I guess like 6 weeks or more. Since they didn;t know the strain of the bacteria that got me they gave me a wide spectrum Antibiotic and that kill all the bad stuff but also all the good stuff.
That whole ordeal along with some complcations with kidney stone troubles I had had took alot of life out of me. It was interferering with my passion for whitewater canoeing to the point of rivers that I would paddle with gusto I was having to stop half way just to gather energy to finish the run. Well I wasn't having that no siree!
I knew I had to do something radical to get my health and stamina back. Like most folks I procrastinated and the finally decided to do a juice fast. I did it for 10 days and on the 11th day I went paddling. Man was I amazed at the difference in my energy levels.
Well more procastination ensued for about another year. I had just finished a job where I had made enough money that I could just lay off work for a few moths if I wanted so I decided that I was gonna take that time to get healthy. I started again with a juice fast. In the meantime I started researching the internet on fasting and came upon this site and read about the MC. I just intuitively knew it was for me and mid juice fast I switched to the MC.
I started with a 2 week goal in mind but at day 14 I was feeling so good and had so much energy that I kept going to day 40. I was around 45 lbs overweight but I never even weighed myself or gave any thought to the weight loss aspect. Being overweight is not a thing in and of itself it is the manifestation of many possible causes. I knew that the MC was addressing the root cause and I looked forward to really getting in shape and loosing the weight with diet and exercise. I only lost 20 in 40 days I couldn't care less of the amount I just knew that I was feeling great full of energy and that I was well on my way to a new life. For about a year and half or more I ate a pristine diet and went to the gym 3 to 4 times a week. I have done more than 16 Liver Flushes to date and 3 MCs altogether (40/28/21).
I have slacked of a bit lately but not too bad. I still eat quite well and get at least one to two good workouts a week. I'm doing a liver flush tonight as a matter of fact and I'm really getting back on my exercise thing and work permitting will be doing my regular 3 to 4 days a week routine again.
I suggest to you and anybody else not to focus on the weight but healing the whole being. Just stay off the scales. You'll know by the way your clothes fit you and casual acquaintances passing you on the street and not even recognizing you ;+D
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<<Master-Cleanse after David Blaine recommended it to her.>>>
Me too. About a year ago, I had a rather heated discussion with someone on this forum when that person said that Robin Quivers was touting the Master-Cleanse as a weight loss diet...
In fact, Quivers has always been extremely careful to always refer to it in the context of her health, IBS problems, etc., never as a quick fad weight loss diet. People inferred that the Master-Cleanse was a way to lose weight quickly since, in fact, Robin Quivers did lose a lot of weight while on it and rather quickly- but Quivers also drastically changed her eating habits, including going from heavy eating to one meal a day!!! Had she lost the 75 lbs. she did while on the MC without drastically changing her diet long term, she would have gained back all the weight she lost and then some, probably.
It's funny (and frustrating) how everyone ignores that part of it.
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This is a reply to # 221,523Pepe! Those were not pebbles, those were boulders! OUCH. Well, better out than in I always say. Thanks for the info. regarding the RQ article, I don't quite recall the mentioning of IBS in that article, but the I suppose that the focus of that particular article was in fact her weight loss. So, although I am here to try to lose weight with the MC, I also will revel in the bounty of benefits of cleaning my system... How's that?
Still trying to get past my 1st hurdle though. I am starting over today since I caved in and had a chewing frenzy (3 dates, 2 ritz crackers and 1 cashew). Now I say yuck, but at the time it tasted marvelous. So back in the saddle again for me. Wish me luck - I just need to get past the initial 3 days, I heard after that the hunger pangs subside. ( I wasn't really hungry, the lemonade satisfies me - just needed to chew - does that make sense?)
Thanks again for your insight.
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Pepe! Those were not pebbles, those were boulders! OUCH. Well, better out than in I always say. Thanks for the info. regarding the RQ article, I don't quite recall the mentioning of IBS in that article, but the I suppose that the focus of that particular article was in fact her weight loss. So, although I am here to try to lose weight with the MC, I also will revel in the bounty of benefits of cleaning my system... How's that?
Still trying to get past my 1st hurdle though. I am starting over today since I caved in and had a chewing frenzy (3 dates, 2 ritz crackers and 1 cashew). Now I say yuck, but at the time it tasted marvelous. So back in the saddle again for me. Wish me luck - I just need to get past the initial 3 days, I heard after that the hunger pangs subside. ( I wasn't really hungry, the tea satisfies me - just needed to chew - does that make sense?)
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The whole point in not to get you to "to revel in the bounty". It really is to help you succeed in you weightloss by getting you to see that without the follow up of diet and exercise the Master-Cleanse will be just like any other actual weightloss diet out there and that you will gain the weight back faster than you realize if you don't follow up. What you do after the Master-Cleanse is an integral part of the benfits you get from the Master-Cleanse irregardless of your reason for doing the MC.
The need to chew is actually on of the tough hurdles in any fast. Hang tough. I know that for me on all my MCs if I hung tough till after the 4th day it was gravy after that cept for the ocassinal headache and I was always able to get rid of those by guzzling a quart of water on the onset. Also if I ever got some kinda strong urge fro chewing or whatever that trust quart of water would get me through.
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Hi Pepe,
Actually if you read the article Ms. Quivers specifically states that she was having difficulty losing weight. At her heaviest she was over 200 pounds. She even mentions being at a party & leaving, crying, because she felt embarrassed to dance due to her extreme weight. Of course she had other health ailments too which all morbidly obese people do have.
I re-read the article & could not find where she says anything at all about a life threatening illness simialr to IBS. She did mention that her hormone levels were out of balance something which she attributed to a medication which she had taken years earlier. Highly plausible. She came forward about The Master Cleanse because she was publicly accused of submitting to the very fashionable FOBI pouch/stomach stapling operation. So in order to quell those rumors, because she does not support the FOBI pouch operation as a healthy weight-loss option, she gave an interview to People mag about her experience with the MC. She lost 70 pounds in 7 weeks. She did in fact do the Master-Cleanse in order to both lose weight & regain her good health. Something which doctors were not able to assist her in attaining. Yet with the Master-Cleanse she has accomplished & maintained her health beautifully & own her own.
I've always wondered hwo it is that fasting suppossedly lowers metabolic rate yet people lose weight as a result of fasting. Not only that but it's been proven again & again that lower caloric intake increases health & longevity. So I feel that more studies of metabolic rate need to be done. Obviously something does not add up.
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I don't have the article in front of me, but I know that the reason Quivers went on the Master-Cleanse was her bowel problems. I read the article when it came out and bought the magazine, but I doubt I can find it again. I do know that she definitely did not go on it, and said this, for weight loss.
And I don't think 75 lbs overweight is considered "morbidly obese" unless you're supposed to weigh 75 lbs.
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This is a reply to # 221,545A person is morbidly obese when they weigh 50% - 100% over their healthy weight, or if their BMI is over 38. So according to her heaviest weight Robin Quivers would have been classified as morbidly obese. While she did say that her decision to try the Master-Cleanse was not due to "diet alone" she does go on to say how wonderful it is to buy stylish clothes & she even calls herself a "clothes-horse" now. In my humble opinion Ms Quiver's said that she didn't do the Master-Cleanse as a diet solely for legal reasons. I read the article in the magazine & found it on-line as well. I saved to my favorites. http://thelemonadediet.com/?pageid=34715artiv
You'll notice that she makes no statements about IBS, or any sort of life threatening illness. She does say that she was plagued for years by fatigue & aches & pains. Any woman who is over-weight may say anything she likes about why she does this or that. Part of the equation will always include wanting to look good. Perhaps not the main reason for following any exercise or health regimine but definitely the 2nd reason after good health.
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A person is morbidly obese when they weigh 50% over their healthy weight, or their BMI is over 38. So according to her heaviest weight Robin Quivers would have been classified as morbidly obese. While she did say that her decision to try the Master-Cleanse was not due to "diet alone" she does go on to say how wonderful it is to buy stylish clothes & she even calls herself a "clothes-horse" now. In my humble opinion Ms Quiver's said that she didn't do the MC as a diet solely for legal reasons. I read the article in the magazine & found it on-line as well. I saved to my favorites. http://thelemonadediet.com/?pageid=34715artiv
You'll notice that she makes no statements about IBS, or any sort of life threatening illness. She does say that she was plagued for years by fatigue & aches & pains. Any woman who is over-weight may say anything she likes about why she does this or that. Part of the equation will always include wanting to look good. Perhaps not the main reason for following any exercise or health regimine but definitely the 2nd reason after good health.
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This is a reply to # 221,553>>While she did say that her decision to try the Master-Cleanse was not due to "diet alone" she does go on to say how wonderful it is to buy stylish clothes & she even calls herself a "clothes-horse" now. In my humble opinion Ms Quiver's said that she didn't do the Master-Cleanse as a diet solely for legal reasons. <<
I'm not sure where your "diet alone" quote is supposed to be from, because that quote is nowhere in the article. What Quivers does say (several times) is that "This wasn't about weight loss. I was trying to regain my health." I'm not sure how it could be any clearer than that, but maybe there is something confusing about what that means to you. To me, it means she did not go on the Master-Cleanse to lose weight.
While you're certainly entitled to your opinion about Quivers' motives, it just doesn't coincide with the facts. Long before the People magazine article came out, Quivers was quoted about her IBS problems. Here is just one example of many.
http://talkshows.about.com/b/a/005321.htm
June 01, 2003
Robin Quivers Lost Over 60 Pounds
"Yes, Howard Stern's sidekick Robin Quivers has recently lost a lot of weight, the hard way. Nobody wants to go on that kind of diet. According to the "New York Post," Robin "almost starved to death." Quivers has reportedly been suffering from health problems associated with Inflammatory Bowel Disease and Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Let's hope that Robin has things under control, will be eating more normally, and won't be drinking anymore of that strange liquid concoction that David Blaine supposedly recommended."
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>>While she did say that her decision to try the MC was not due to "diet alone" she does go on to say how wonderful it is to buy stylish clothes & she even calls herself a "clothes-horse" now. In my humble opinion Ms Quiver's said that she didn't do the MC as a diet solely for legal reasons. <<
I'm not sure where your "diet alone" quote is supposed to be from, because that quote is nowhere in the article. What Quivers dose say (several times) is that "This wasn't about weight loss. I was trying to regain my health." I'm not sure how it could be any clearer than that, but maybe there is something confusing about what that means to you. To me, it means she did not go on the MC to lose weight.
While you're certainly entitled to your opinion about Quivers' motives, it just doesn't coincide with the facts. Long before the People magazine article came out, Quivers was quoted about her IBS problems. Here is just one example of many.
http://talkshows.about.com/b/a/005321.htm
June 01, 2003
Robin Quivers Lost Over 60 Pounds
"Yes, Howard Stern's sidekick Robin Quivers has recently lost a lot of weight, the hard way. Nobody wants to go on that kind of diet. According to the "New York Post," Robin "almost starved to death." Quivers has reportedly been suffering from health problems associated with Inflammatory Bowel Disease and Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Let's hope that Robin has things under control, will be eating more normally, and won't be drinking anymore of that strange liquid concoction that David Blaine supposedly recommended."
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This is a reply to # 221,538There have been several articles on Quivers. I don't keep up with celebrity gossip rags and only happen to have read something on her because of all the desperate weightloss cacklers that inundated this forum when some of the articles came out. The articles I happen to glance at I read that she did it on the sugestion of David Blaine the street magician guy cause of life threatening IBS like problems. The other article I saw was completly about weightloss with >>no<< mention at all of her illness.
I doubt it very very seriously that she lost 70 lbs in a continous
7 week MC. From what I gather she did several 21 day MCs >>>>>>>ALONG WITH<<<<<< a radical change in diet. I can just about guarantee you that had she not changed her eating habits that she woulda put the weight back on and then some.
From my own experience of 3 long MCs (40/28/21) and 3 years hanging around this forum on and off and having read of hundreds perhaps thousand of personal account I can tell you that unless someone is morbidly obese to the tune of 150 lbs or more of overweight that it is not possible to loose 70 lbs in a 7 week continuous MC. Even being morbidly obese I still doubt that 70 lbs is 7 weeks is not likely. Add to that that loosing that much weight that fast is not healthy and your body would be a quivering mass of loose tissue.
The metabolic rate lowering on any fast is a fact Jack. From my persoanl experience and 3 years worth or reading personal accounts you will find that the fastest weightloss on the Master-Cleanse happens at the begining both because of emptying the bowels and because the bodys metabolism has not slowed down enough. As you go longer on any fast, while you will loose weight, the rate of loss drops dramatically with days or several days at a time of no weightloss whatsover if your body goes through a healing crisis. This has been well documented in this forum. FYI I only lost 20 lbs on my 40 day Master-Cleanse and thats even adding a 6 mile a day bike ride after the second week. The rides weren't just liesurely pedaling around either, I was humping it and everyday I would beat my previous time and after that I started adding more miles even with all that, 20lbs in 40 days bada boom bada bim. Think or believe what you want about celebrity articles. There are thousands of real life personal accounts on this forum that will verify what I'm telling you.
You are only speaking in quantities and amounts and you mention nothing of quality. Lower caloric intake to loose weight without taking account the quality of the food you are eating is just plain unhealthy. Quick weightloss no matter how its achived it's not only unhealthy but very hard to maintain without a lot of focused effort. Why do you think there's sucha huge "diet industry"? It' because they fail cause they don't efficise the maintenance after the diet enough and appeal to the quick fix mentality of desperate people that all they think about is the weight issue and numbers on a scale.
Succesfull weightloss will take time focus and determination and the realization that the weight is only an manifeatation of many other possible causes and that one must look at the root of the matter first and foremost. When I say the root I also don't mean any one specific thing I use it in an all encompasing manner to mean the health of the whole being.
The healthy way to go is to stop thinking about all this numbers nonsense, scales and weight loss mentality and realize that nothing and I do mean nothing in your system works independent of anything else and that one must think of the total being and long term planning in order to ultimately succeed.
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There have been several articles on Quivers. I don't keep up with celebrity crap and only happen to have read something on her because of all the desperate weightloss cacklers that inundated this forum when some of the articles came out. The articles I happen to glance at I read that she did it on the sugestion of David Blaine the street magician guy cause of life threatening IBS like problems. The other article I saw was completly about weightloss with >>no<< mention at all of her illness.
I doubt it very very seriously that she lost 70 lbs in a continous
7 week MC. From what I gather she did several 21 day MCs >>>>>>>ALONG WITH<<<<<< a radical change in diet. I can just about guarantee you that had she not changed her eating habits that she woulda put the weight back on and then some.
From my own experience of 3 long MCs (40/28/21) and 3 years hanging around this forum on and off and having read of hundreds perhaps thousand of personal account I can tell you that unless someone is morbidly obese to the tune of 150 lbs or more of overweight that it is not possible to loose 70 lbs in a 7 week continuous MC. Even being morbidly obese I still doubt that 70 lbs is 7 weeks is not likely. Add to that that loosing that much weight that fast is not healthy and your body would be a quivering mass of loose tissue.
The metabolic rate lowering on any fast is a fact Jack. From my persoanl experience and 3 years worth or reading personal accounts you will find that the fastest weightloss on the Master-Cleanse happens at the begining both because of emptying the bowels and because the bodys metabolism has not slowed down enough. As you go longer on any fast, while you will loose weight, the rate of loss is drops dramatically with days or several days at a time of no weightloss whatsover if your body goes through a healing crisis. This has been well documented in this forum. FYI I only lost 20 lbs on my 40 day MC and thats even adding a 6 mile a day bike ride after the second week. The rides weren't just liesurely pedaling around either, I was humping it and everyday I would beat my previous time and after that I started adding more miles even with all that, 20lbs in 40 days bada boom bada bim. Think or believe what you want about celebrity articles. There are thousands of real life personal accounts on this forum that will verify what I'm telling you.
You are only speaking in quantities and amounts and you mention nothing of quality. Lower caloric intake to loose weight without taking account the quality of the food you are eating is just plain unhealthy. Quick weightloss no matter how its achived it's not only unhealthy but very hard to maintain without a lot of focused effort. Why do you think there's sucha huge "diet industry"? It' because they fail cause they don't efficise the maintenance after the diet enough and appeal to the quick fix mentality of desperate people that all they think about is the weight issue and numbers on a scale.
Succesfull weightloss will take time focus and determination and the realization that the weight is only an manifeatation of many other possible causes and that one must look at the root of the matter first and foremost. When I say the root I also don't mean any one specific thing I use it in an all encompasing manner to mean the health of the whole being.
The healthy way to go is to stop thinking about all this numbers nonsense, scales and weight loss mentality and realize that nothing and I do mean nothing in your system works independent of anything else and that one must think of the total being and long term planning in order to ultimately succeed.
- Re: Thanks guys - good advice! lotus33
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This is a reply to # 221,556Pepe,
I'm not necessarily into numbers & I'm really not into debating. I only completed 4 days last week & lost 1 pound per day. Today is my second day & I have no intentions of weighing myself until I complete 3 weeks. Hopefully I can go a little longer. I'd also like to clarify that I never once said that Quivers did the Master-Cleanse for X amount of days "straight". In the article I read she broke it up into segments & after I believe 3 MC's had regained her health & achieved a healthy weight for her. I'm not on this board to condemn others for desireing weight-loss neither am I here to poo poo others who are trying to cure cancer, lupus, diabetes or fibromyalgia. I beleive that anything is possible. I don't care what the doctor's have to say.
Everyone's body is different & much more complex than what many doctors & health care practitioners would have you believe. I can only think that this is why you lost less than some others when you did the MC. Or perhaps in your strenuous bike work-outs you were building muscle, which we all know weighs more than fat & that was the reason why. I don't know as everyone's body is different. And when I mentioned, low caloric lifestyle/intake/diet, whatever you wish to call it, healthy whole foods are always to be the primary foods. Whole foods should be the primary foods in any one's lifestyle/diet regardless of their goals. I thought that was a given on a board such as this. Did you truly believe that I meant only eat 1/2 a log of Velveeta & 6 beers rather than a typical whole log & 12 beers? Let's be real.
My mentioning metabolic rate & low caloric intake for longevity is because Science has not yet unraveled the mysteries of the human body. Yet they usually act as if they have. And I know that a person who is 220 lbs & should weigh in the 145 llbs range is medically termed "morbidly obese". Whether you agree with what the medical communtiy has decided is your choice. But there are logical medical scientific reasons for the numbers. Does this mean that every human being must fit that criteria? Absolutely not. But in my opinion most people, and Ms.Quivers celebrity status excluded, is basically like most people.
As far as fasting, thousands of sages & monks have been fasting for centuries & I've never once read of any of them being malnourished, or becoming fat over night. I believe every religion teaches all things in moderation. Yet, they often use fasting as a health remedy, or for spiritual reasons. Anyway, who are we to judge members who are using the Master-Cleanse solely for weight loss purposes? Finally, many posts here include success stories of people sharing the "numbers" of how much weight they lost plus enthusiastic words of how great they feel & some members even convey a certain spiritual deepening found through fasting.
Since you have seniority here does that give you the right to judge? Maybe some members who "think" their main purpose in using the Master-Cleanse is specifically for weight-loss reasons will learn something much more valuable. As they fast other experiences will enlighten them in ways they never thought of. In this way perhaps they will come to find their bodies sacred & awesome. Maybe the MC protocol will lead them on a spiritual journey more intense then anything any guru, priest, or minister could teach them? I feel that this is highly likely as anything is possible. One need only to believe. And finding faith in oneself over science, doctors, gurus, fitness experts etc....etc....is the most healing & powerful cure of all.
Best Wishes & Take Care
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This is a reply to # 221,562I didn't see Pepe judging anyone, but rather explaining what to expect from the Master-Cleanse re: weight loss.
But this is rather judgmental, in my opinion:
"Since you have seniority here does that give you the right to judge? "- Re: Thanks guys - good advice! lotus33
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This is a reply to # 221,566LOL RM
Perhaps you should re-read his post without any bias?
May I direct your attention to the very first paragraph? "...because of all the desperate weightloss cacklers..."
I stand firm in my opinion that there were a lot of judgement calls in Pepe's post. Not to mention loads of incorrect assumptions.
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This is a reply to # 221,568Okay, that was a teeny bit judgmental..LOL...but you weren't around when this happened, so you can't truly understand the humor behind the post. :)
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This is a reply to # 221,562Yeow!! I guess that one passed you by like a 747 flying and inch above your head ;+D Too bad that you have taken some kinda defensive stance and did the very thing that you accuse me of by no 2 ways about it "judging" me........... ;+D instead of learning something that I tried to pass from personal experience and after having read prolly thousands of posts on this forum.
No judgement was made about anyone doing the Master-Cleanse for weightloss. Simply an explanation of what you should "realistically" expect
from the Master-Cleanse from the real life experiences of thousands that have gonne before you. You lost that one pound a day at the begining mostly due to the weight coming from emptying your bowels and that tain't rocket Science ;+D Just plain common sense. I have even read of accounts of folks actually gaining weight on some days.
The Master-Cleanse is NOT a weight loss diet primarily. It is a as the name implies a "Cleanse" and it's primary function is to heal. It was origianlly designed to cure ulcers over 50 years ago. The MC or any other "fasts" are not a good way to loose weight >>>>Unless<<<< you are committed to long term maintenance afterwards. That realization is what will actually help you and the many folks using the MC to loose weight succeed not quoting some gossip rag article written most likely by someone with no experience whatsover with the MC.
The cackling remark was not down playing anyone using the MC for weightloss. That fact is that if you use the MC for weightloss and go back to your old eating habits you >>>WILL<<< gain the weight back......the end. Every other post on this forum around the time of the articles was "how much did you loose today" with no mention whatsoever about having to follow up definetly making using the MC for weight loss a loosing proposition to anyone wanting to succeed and keep the weight off and also confusing and perhaps driving away the newcomers who might have been here for health reasons and who honestly wanted to exchange some information about the actual experience folks were having. You can theorize all you want about my not loosing weight because of the exersice on my 40 fast. What you are conveniently forgeting to mention is that I have also done 2 more fasts of 28 days and 21 days to draw my experience from. I was not debating anything about what the AMA defines as morbidly obese I was telling you that from my real life observations from this forum that in order to loose that much weight in the time you mention and you did definetly mentioned said "She lost 70 pounds in 7 weeks". that you would have to be reeeeeally morbidly obese ;+D
You used lots of maybes there L.........hang out a while set a spell take your shoes off learn a thing or 2 from the real world of "actual experience" from the folks in this forum. Ask me sometime about why I tought the mental aspects of the MC far outweighed whatever weightloss I might have had and about the times I have posted my views about how I really understood from my MC >EXPERIENCE< why fasting is part of every major religion and mystical following out there. I didn't read any of that in any book or magazine...............;+D
Have a nice day..............;+D
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Yeow!! I guess that one passed you by like a 747 flying and inch above your head ;+D Too bad that you have taken some kinda defensive stance and did the very thing that you accuse me of by no 2 ways about it "judging" me........... ;+D instead of learning something that I tried to pass from personal experience and after having read prolly thousands of posts on this forum.
No judgement was made about anyone doing the MC for weightloss. Simply an explanation of what you should "realistically" expect
from the MC from the real life experiences of thousands that have gonne before you. You who have no "experience" with the MC other than a failed 4 day attempt. You lost that one pound a day at the begining mostly due to the weight coming from emptying your bowels and that tain't rocket Science ;+D Just plain common sense. I have even read of accounts of folks actually gaining weight on some days.
The MC is NOT a weight loss diet primarily. It is a as the name implies a "Cleanse" and it's primary function is to heal. It was origianlly designed to cure ulcers over 50 years ago. The MC or any other "fasts" are not a good way to loose weight >>>>Unless<<<< you are committed to long term maintenance afterwards. That realization is what will actually help you and the many folks using the MC to loose weight succeed not quoting some gossip rag article written most likely by someone with no experience whatsover with the MC.
The cackling remark was not down playing anyone using the MC for weightloss. That fact is that if you use the MC for weightloss and go back to your old eating habits you >>>WILL<<< gain the weight back......the end. Every other post on this forum around the time of the articles was "how much did you loose today" with no mention whatsoever about having to follow up definetly making using the MC for wieght loss a loosing proposition to anyone wanting to succeed and keep the weight off and confusing and perhaps driving away the newcomers who might have been here for health reasons and who honestly wanted to exchange some information about the actual experience folks were having. You can theorize all you want about my not loosing weight because of the exersice on my 40 fast you are forgetiing that i have also done 2 more fasts of 28 days and 21 days to draw my experience from. I was not debating anything about what the AMA defines as morbidly obese I was telling you that from my real life observations from this forum that in order to loose that much weight you have to be reeeeeally morbidly obese ;+D
You used lots of maybes there L.........hang out a while set a spell take your shoes off learn a thing or 2 from the real world of "actual experience" from the folks in this forum. Ask me sometime about why I tought the mental aspects of the MC far outweighed whatever weightloss I might have had and about the times I have posted my views about how I really understood from my MC >EXPERIENCE< why fasting is part of every major religion and mystical following out there. I didn't read any of that in any book or magazine...............;+D
Have a nice day..............;+D
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This is a reply to # 221,489Hi Miko,
Thanks for the advice about drinking the SWF (Salt-Water-Flush) like a broth. Makes perfect sense. I will start doing that tomorrow morning! Already drank it again cold this morning before I noticed your post! Ugh! It's so awful!
How is everything on day 2? I feel much better today than yesterday. I have a feeling that this is going to be a religious roller coaster of a ride. May I ask are you doing the Master-Cleanse soley for weight-loss, or for another health issue as well?
If you cave in it's okay you can always start up again. I personally have been reminding myself that if I do slip up it's going to take me even longer to achieve renewed health & weight-loss that I'd like to accomplish as soon as possible. So I'd rather get this over with now than have to keep re-starting. But it's tough! And maintaining these results is another issue. I don't wish to overwhelm anyone including myself but I intend on drinking the lemonade even when I begin eating solid foods again. And with my increased energy my gym work-outs are going to be come far more intense & focused.
Keep Going! ;~) Stay Strong! ;~)- Re: Thanks guys - good advice! mikogaki
20 y
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This is a reply to # 221,540Hey Lotus!
I just got on - looks like I missed out on all the drama with Mr. Bean and Pepe. Loved your retort!
I'm feeling great - had an awesome workout, day 3 but I just caved in about a 1/2 an hour ago on 3 prune, 2 ritz crackers and a cashew (must be the crunchy munchy sensation?). So, guess what? Day 1 just started allover again. I'm saving your message about caving in though because it is so-o true.
I am in this for the weight loss. I know, I know - the guys w/ seniority on this board are getting frustrated as they read this and you know what? I am desperate to lose weight, I admit that I am human (hence the caving in), and even though Sr. Pepe said he wasn't referring to me (M), he did mention cackling desperates a couple of time - I feel that I must point out that being that I am neither goose nor gosling, I do not cackle. JK.
Seriously, being overweight can initiate a myriad of health issues which is why I am trying this along with my new exercise program ( I am doing circuit training thru Curves - love it!). So for me, short term goal... lose weight, feel comfortable in my skin and be healthy. Long term goal...adhere to healthy lifestyle and exercise which will be advantageous not only to me but to my family because guess what? Mommy's not making 2 separate dinners - they'll be stuck with whatever I'' be making. This is going to be interesting because I'm Peruvian, my hubby's persian and we love food, we both love to cook for the families - it's a family thing- La familia! One thing that will never leave our diet is ceviche- plenty of peppers and lime juice... hey, that sounds familiar... no wonder I love this lemonade!
Lotus, a couple of things I noticed - my contacts seem dry (we are remodeling - that could be the reason) and a couple of pimples are sprouting here and there on my face, you too? Me energy level is way up so I feel good. Got some parties and social engagements coming up - I just need to get past the first 3 days! Wish me luck this time around!!Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 221,574You guys are simply missing the whole point. NOBODY and I do mean NO_BODY has said anything about putting anyone down for using the Master-Cleanse for weigth loss. The whole thing is about getting you to understand what to realistically expect from the Master-Cleanse to really help you trully succeed by undrestanding that what you do after the Master-Cleanse is just as relevant and important as the MC itself if you expect to keep the weight off. Without that understanding you will fail.
You guys wanna hear the the MC is a weight loss diet and it simply is not. It was designed over 50 years ago to cure ulcers. The weightloss is just a side benefit. I have seen it over and over on this forum plus my own experience of only loosing 20 lbs in 40 days. Yes you will loose weight on the MC but the point I'm trying to help you with is not to have any specific expectations and that it's gonna be what it's gonna be for you and that yes you are doing something great fro yourself by "cleansing" your system out and that what you do afterwards when you finish the MC is completely an integral part of the diet. If you go back to your old way you will fail. I have seen it over and over and thats just from the folks who had the courage to post about their failure on this forum. I guarantee you that for every one that posted of their failure with the MC as a weightloss diet because they didn't follow up afterward there are hundreds that just disapeered from the forum an chalked up their experience with the MC as "Yeah I tried that and it didn't work because I gained the weight back and then some". I know of at least 2 people in the real world that had said that to me.
Helping you trully succeed has been the whole point too bad that you have missed it........;+(
Good luck whatever you do.
- Re: Thanks guys - good advice! mikogaki
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This is a reply to # 221,578Whoa.. Pepe. Bring it down a notch. I genuinely and wholeheartedly appreciate your insight and advice especially because quite obviously, you are the Master-Cleanse ghuru and you speak from experience. But since I wasnt't born yesterday and I do not suck my thumb, you can lose the whole patronizing shtick.
I know and I hope that most people know that the trick is not losing weight, the trick is keeping it off. Did ya really think that I plan to gorge myself on lobster and truffles after all this wonderful cleansing? No senor! If you read my prior msgs, I am exercising and I plan to change my regimen, so hopefully combining this with the MC, I will be healthier and happier.
Now, please, let this bitter banter end here because I plan on seeking you out for advice during my journey. Take Care!Advertisement
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This is a reply to # 221,583OI!
Juan mo taim
Good luck with whatever you do...............;+D
Ok just one mo thing. If you see any "bitterness"
I can guarantee you it ain't coming from me..............;+D
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OI!
Juan mo taim
Good luck with whatever you do...............;+D
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This is a reply to # 221,583Hi Miko,
MMMmmmm lobster & truffles sounds really good! ;~) Oooh! And a nice French Chardonnay! ;~) Those were the days!
Yeah, I joked about going to a French restaurant after all of this but I get the feeling that I may actually be afraid to put any food in my mouth again. ;~) I've done Hulda Clark 's cleanses several times & always had that response for months afterwards. Last year when I got really super serious about eating healthy I stopped dining out. I haven't been to a restaurant since December 2003! I have not had any wine since July 2004. (Wine took longer to wean myself off of! ;~)
I love ceviche! My heritage is Spanish, Greek & Italian. I make ceviche a lot. That's why I had so many limes in my fridge! What a great combination between you & your husband! Peruvian & Persian! Wow! If you have children, your kids must be gorgeous! I can just imagine their beautiful sparkling eyes! ;~)
Earlier in the year I did the Master-Cleanse for 8 days. I was weight training with a trainer & I was starving when I'd get doen my work-outs. I don't know how anyone can weight train & do the Master-Cleanse but that's just me. Then I decided out of the blue last week that I'd try it again. I only did it for 4 days but I felt more confident than when I'd did it in February. I found it very diffcult to do in the winter & with my exercise regimine.
So Miko just try try again! Some people can dive head first & others of us have to gradually wade into the water. I'm on day 3 & my lower back was hurting a little this morning. I too am having break-outs. I am skin brushing along with this as I have been having issues related to swollen lymph nodes. I am hoping that the Master-Cleanse will eradicate several on-going, western med undiagnosible aliments that I have been dealing with for about 4 years. I used to do Hulda Clark 's cleanses but they are quite time consuming & cost more money. For now I like the simplicity of Burrough's MC but I will eventually incorporate Clark's Liver Flush as I have foudn it to be very powerfully effective.
My will-power is much better this summer in general, I wish I'd have attempted the MC back in June or July but for whatever reason here I am in September. A shikse fasting on Yom Kippur! ;~)I noticed the dry eyes too. So I've been wearing my glasses rather than my contacts. I know that many many members here have talked about dry skin & dry eyes. I try to drink more & more water. But I can't take it anymore. And I'm still having amazingly vivid dreams. It's so strange.
I think that weight-loss is fine with the MC as long as you need to lose weight. Being over-weight is a serious health issue. I work out doing lots of cardio & weight-training & eat very healthy, low calorie foods. I have pretty much my entire life. But I've always been curvy carying around 10-15 extra pounds no matter how much I excercise, or cut back with food. I had a fitness trainer & nutritionist for 4 months & he was great but I only lost 8 pounds after 4 months. Other people who trained lost 3 x's as much as me. I try to not compare myself to others but I did feel bad about how little I lost. The other thing with the MC is that you can't go back to "normal" eating. LOL, whatever that means. As I have never been able to eat 3 square meals a day since I was a teen-ager. In fact, I do not know one thin healthy woman who does.
I started reading Hulda Clark 's books again plus Gary Null, Stanley Burroughs, Dr. Weil & Dr. Chopra. I really think that even though my medical tests have so far come back within the "normal" range, I believe that my problem is my liver. I've always been pretty healthy except for drinking alcohol (95% wine). I love wine. Maybe this threw my body out of whack? Also, about 4 years ago I contracted a really bad case of bronchitiis. I was put on these horrible meds which ripped up my stomach. I was 138 pounds at the time & I wanted to lose 10 pounds. Slowly each year since the bronchitiis episode, which stayed with me for many months, I have consistently gained wight each year.
While I was sick my husband & I moved to Hong Kong. I felt as if my energy, my actual life force, had been sucked away from me. I couldn't stay awake past 7pm. I gained about 7 pounds in a little over one month! My sister-n-law took me to a traditional Chinese doctor. When he saw the medication that the American western doc had put me on he was horrified. He said that the dosage was for a person twice my size! He said that besides having wind in my chest, the western meds had weakened one of my kidneys. I drank this wonderful medicinal herb mixture daily & within a few days I could feel my strength coming back. I lost the weight but when I moved back to the States I began feeling sick again. I still had my Chinese doctor's prescription for the Chinese herbs but no matter what I did I seemed to still gain weight. NOt only that but my skin has changed. I used to have beautiful skin & now it's not so great. My energy levels dropped again. Ocassionally my chest pinches & I have these weird symptoms similar to what I had with bronchitiis.
I believe that all of this comes back to my lungs, liver & gall bladder too. ABout 2 months ago I dreamt of a black substance coming out of my right side. Then about 3 weeks ago I dreamt of a black substance coming out of my mouth. In both of these dreams I felt wonderful & looked radiant after the black stuff left my body. The dreams scared me a little so I went to my doctor just to be on the safe side but deep in my heart I do not feel that she will find anything. I believe that these dreams are telling me that there are toxins in my body which I need to get rid of before I can be in balance again. I eat organic, drink mountain spring water which is delivered to my home, 75% of my food intake is fruits, veggies, whole grains & some nuts/seeds. I don't smoke. I never eat processed foods. I can go on & on. Where did these toxins come from?
I'm so inspired by the posts here. The thing is many members have done the cleanse stop & go. This is okay. Everyone is unique in how they approach challenges, obstacles, illness, health etc...I had never been ill before in my life. I took it very personally when I fell ill. A real sign of weakness that I contracted bronchitiis. AFterwards I became even more health conscious & yet I still found myself fighting my body. So obviously something is not right. Plus I'm a big believer in mind-body connection. I began meditating about 4 months ago & I think that this discipline has lead me back to The Master Cleanse as a healthy way for me to regain my over-all health & achieve a healthy weight for me.
Are you going to begin again this week? I want to get 3 MC's of at least 3 weeks under my belt before Christmas. So I don't mind having the break-outs & dry eyes now & some aches & pains since I know these are signs that the MC is working. But you need to do what's right for you. I'm lucky that I don't have kids & I don't live near my family so temptations & family obligations are easier to get out of than if they were living right next door to me. In the end, you have to follow your heart & do what is right for you.
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Hi Miko,
MMMmmmm lobster & truffles sounds really good! ;~) Oooh! And a nice French Chardonnay! ;~) Those were the days!
Yeah, I joked about going to a French restaurant after all of this but I get the feeling that I may actually be afraid to put any food in my mouth again. ;~) I've done Hulda Clark's cleanses several times & always had that response for months afterwards. Last year when I got really super serious about eating healthy I stopped dining out. I haven't been to a restaurant since December 2003! I have not had any wine since July 2004. (Wine took longer to wean myself off of! ;~)
I love ceviche! My heritage is Spanish, Greek & Italian. I make ceviche a lot. That's why I had so many limes in my frig! What a great combination between you & your husband! Peruvian & Persian! Wow! If you have children, your kids must be gorgeous! I can just imagine their beautiful sparkling eyes! ;~)
Earlier in the year I did the MC for 8 days. I was weight training with a trainer & I was starving when I'd get doen my work-outs. I don't know how anyone can weight train & do the MC but that's just me. Then I decided out of the blue last week that I'd try it again. I only did it for 4 days but I felt more confident than when I'd did it in February. I found it very diffcult to do in the winter & with my exercise regimine.
So Miko just try try again! Some people can dive head first & others of us have to gradually wade into the water. I'm on day 3 & my lower back was hurting a little this morning. I too am having break-outs. I am skin brushing along with this as I have been having issues realted to swollen lymph nodes. I am hoping that the MC will eradicate several on-going, non-western med diagnosible aliments that I have been dealing with for about 4 years. I used to do Hulda Clark's cleanses but they are quite time consuming & more money. For now I like the simplicity of Burrough's MC but I will eventually incorporate Clark's Liver Flush as I have foudn it to be very powerfully effective.
My will-power is much better this summer in general, I wish I'd have attempted the MC back in June or July but for whatever reason here I am in September. A shikse fasting on Yom Kippur! ;~)I noticed the dry eyes too. So I've been wearing my glasses rather than my contacts. I know that many many members here have talked about dry skin & dry eyes. I try to drink more & more water. But I can't take it anymore. And I'm still having amazingly vivid dreams. It's so strange.
I think that weight-loss is fine with the MC as long as you need to lose weight. Being over-weight is a serious health issue. I work out doing lots of cardio & weight-training & eat very healthy, low calorie foods. I have pretty much my entire life. But I've always been curvy carring around 10-15 extra pounds no matter how much I excercise, or cut back with food. I had a fitness trainer & nutritionist for 4 months & he was great but I only lost 8 pounds after 4 months. Other people who trained lost 3 x's as much as me. The other thing with the MC is that you can't go back to "normal" eating. Whatever that means. As I have never been able to eat 3 square meals a day anyhow. In fact, I do not know one thin healthy woman who does.
I started reading Hulda Clark's books again plus Gary Null, Stanley Burroughs, Dr. Weil & Dr. Chopra. I really think that even though my medical tests have so far come back within the "normal" range, I believe that my problem is my liver. I've always been pretty healthy except for drinking alcohol (95% wine). I love wine. Maybe this threw my body out of whack? Also, about 4 years ago I contracted a really bad case of bronchitiis. I was put on these horrible meds which ripped up my stomach. I was 138 pounds at the time & I wanted to lose 10 pounds. Slowly each year since the bronchitiis episode, which stayed with me for many months, I have consistently gained wight each year.
While I was sick my husband & I moved to Hong Kong. I felt as if my energy, my actual life force, had been sucked away from me. I couldn't stay awake past 7pm. I gained about 7 pounds in a little over one month! My sister-n-law took me to a traditional Chinese doctor. When he saw the medication that the American western doc had put me on he was horrified. He said that the dosage was for a person twice my size! He said that besides having wind in my chest, the western meds had weakened one of my kidneys. I drank this wonderful medicinal herb mixture daily & within a few days I could feel my strength coming back. I lost the weight but when I moved back to the States I began feeling sick again. I still had my Chinese doctor's prescription for the Chinese herbs but no matter what I did I seemed to still gain weight. NOt only that but my skin has changed. I used to have beautiful skin & now it's not so great. My energy levels dropped again. Ocassionally my chest pinches & I have these weird symptoms similar to what I had with bronchitiis.
I beleive that all of this comes back to my lungs, liver & gall bladder too. ABout 2 months ago I dreamt of a black substance coming out of my right side. Then about 3 weeks ago I dreamt of a black substance coming out of my mouth. After both of these dreams I felt wonderful & looked radiant. The dreams scared me a little so I went to my doctor just to be on the safe side but deep in my heart I do not feel that she will find anything. I believe that these dreams are telling me that there are toxins in my body which I need to get rid of before I can be in balance again. I eat organic, drink mountain spring water which is delivered to my home, 75% of my food intake is fruits, veggies, gains & some nuts/seeds. I don't smoke. I never eat processed foods. I can go on & on. Where did these toxins come from?
I'm so inspired by the posts here. The thing is many members have done the cleanse stop & go. This is okay. Everyone is unique in how they approach challenges, obstacles, illness, health etc...I had never been ill before in my life. I took it very personally when I fell ill. A real sign of weakness that I contracted bronchitiis. AFterwards I became even more health conscious & yet I still found myself fighting my body. So obviously something is not right. Plus I'm a big believer in mind-body connection. I began meditating about 4 months ago & I think that this discipline has lead me back to The Master Cleanse as a healthy way for me to regain my over-all health & achieve a healthy weight for me.
Are you going to begin again this week? I want to get 3 MC's of at least 3 weeks under my belt before Christmas. So I don't mind having the break-outs & dry eyes now & some aches & pains since I know these are signs that the MC is working. But you need to do what's right for you. I'm lucky that I don't have kids & I don't live near my family so temptations & family obligations are easier to get out of than if they were living right next door to me. In the end, you have to follow your heart & do what is right for you.
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Last night, on my 3rd Day, I was watching the Food Network without too much problem. I think as you go farther in the fast, food is not that important anymore. I am planning what my first real meal will be though. It seems like the foods we take for granted all of a sudden become irresistable. I crave something crunchy.
I'm on my 4th day and my skin is very dry and tight. I'm feeling very good, but I do feel kind of weird. It's almost like taking cold medication that makes you drowsy, but I don't feel drowsy. Maybe it's weakness that I feel, just weird.
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