severe ankle sprain, will water fast... 
loki29
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MoreHi guys, newbie here, I went for my morning run 2 hours ago and 5 mins into it i severely sprained my left ankle, I basically cant put any weight on it, so I will be out of commission at least for a couple weeks.
have a couple of questions
1.will Water Fast will help speeding the healing process? I read an article long time ago that sick animals stop eating to help the healing, would that work in humans?
2.how many days for trauma(ankle strains)
3.should I take vitamins or just water?
4.how much water/day?
5.would i lose a lot o muscle/lean body mass(i weight training on the regular basis)
any links about the subject would be helpful
thank you or the responses I'm planing doing at least 14 days
help me guys, i feel so bummed, i was just gonna start my summer cut and now this :(
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- Re: severe ankle sprain, will water ... Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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This is a reply to # 1,943,006
Hi guys, newbie here, I went for my morning run 2 hours ago and 5 mins into it i severely sprained my left ankle, I basically cant put any weight on it, so I will be out of commission at least for a couple weeks.
have a couple of questions
1.will water fast will help speeding the healing process? I read an article long time ago that sick animals stop eating to help the healing, would that work in humans?
Hi Loki and welcome. Fasting will absolutely help speed the healing process. Sick animals lose their appetite and stop eating, while sick humans lose their appetite but force down food anyway because we are told we need to do this to "keep up our strength"... providing a good example where having a greater ability to reason for ourselves works against us ;). We, cats and fruit flies are similarly designed and fasting helps every one of us to heal exceedingly more quickly.
I want to say too that you will benefit immensely by icing the sprain as much as possible especially in the first 24 hours, 10 or 15 minutes on then 10 or 15 minutes off... so please hurry with this!
2.how many days for trauma(ankle strains)
This depends very strongly on the injury. Some will completely heal in 3 or 5 days and others will not be completely healed even after 30 days, though they will most assuredly be vastly improved.
3.should I take vitamins or just water?
Nothing but water. Your internal reserves include ample vitamins and minerals to get you through your fast and you want in every way to allow your body to fast uninterruptedly and to make sure it knows it is fasting.
4.how much water/day?
Drink to thirst only. This could be a gallon or more per day or it could be no water at all for one or several days since the body actually produces a certain amount of water metabolically as well as freeing stores from within fat that is being utilized.
5.would i lose a lot o muscle/lean body mass(i weight training on the regular basis)
Since fat is the predominant fuel source in a fast, you would lose only a small amount of muscle which can easily be restored after the fast. It can be said that the fasted body is primed to build muscle more efficiently and effectively.
For links, read chrisb1 ;). Best wishes.
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- Re: severe ankle sprain, will water ... NH.is.Scientific
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This is a reply to # 1,943,006loki29,
In addition to Mighty's reply, let me add two points.
1) The pain and swelling around the sprain area is the body's way of saying "Keep off!" Putting ice or anything else on it to reduce pain and swelling is our way of saying, "we know better than the body!" Personally, I'd put my foot up and stay off it as much as possible.
I did this exact thing a few weeks back when I pulled something in my ankle and, in response, my ankle muscles seized up with intense pain. I kept the leg raised all day with the exception of essential trips around the house and made use of a crutch to help limit pressure on it. By the next morning, my ankle was almost back to normal. All that was left was the soreness in the specific muscle that I'd pulled
2) my sister-in-law, some years ago, thought that she had sprained her ankle but in fact she had sustained at least one major fracture. She walked on it for a week before finally getting it checked out. You might want to consider getting your ankle xrayed just to be sure. Alternatively, you could allow it a day or two to settle down and if it doesn't or if you find that it is still seriously painful to put weight on, then a hospital visit will be a good idea.
Kind regards,
NH... - Re: severe ankle sprain, will water ... wateroflife
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This is a reply to # 1,943,006I respect that this is a water only fasting forum, but your main inquiry is about healing your sprain so I will keep it brief.
Nothing heals inflammation faster and better than urine in my opinion. Bathe it for 5 mins as often as you can. I believe ice as mentioned should not be ignored.
If you drink a glass of urine the pain and swelling will reduce very markedly within about 15 mins. You will be limping on it shortly. Keep it up at least once a day and you will be walking on it in a day or two.
If you do a urine fast it will dramatically accelerate the process.
Sorry about the off-topic.- Re: severe ankle sprain, will water ... loki29
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This is a reply to # 1,943,213I don't wanna knock you down man, but a URINE FAST?
Is it drinking urine only? how about the water you eliminate by breathing, sweat etc,how you are gonna restored it? In a couple days you will be dehydrated, no to mention that sounds really nasty
But i will give you the benefit of the doubt, can you explain and/or provide some links behind this urine thing, "I want to believe"
- Re: severe ankle sprain, will water ... jude2005386
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This is a reply to # 1,944,117Did you ever research this urine therapy practice, Loki29?
I just read this post. I do this,too.
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- Re: severe ankle sprain, will water ... loki29
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- No No No No No arn
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This is a reply to # 1,943,006No
When you sprain your ankle, you normally tear some tissue in the ankle. This needs to heal. The body uses nutrition from food to heal this, particularly protein.
If you fast, the body wont have the nutrition available for healing, and you can expect healing to take much longer.- Re: No No No No No chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,943,371am,
the healing process is always accelerated on a water-only fast and not the opposite as you have stated.
All of the energies of the body including digestive energy are utilized for this purpose.
It has been estimated that a fasting body uses about five percent of its normal daily energy budget on nutritional concerns, rather than the 33 percent it needs to process new food. Therefore, Water Fasting puts something like 28 percent more energy at the body"s disposal. This energy is of course healing energy.
Healing means repairing damaged organs and tissues, and this takes energy, so if a sick/injured person can increase their bodily energy resources sufficiently, then a slowly healing body heals faster than would otherwise be the case.
This is not to say that external nutrition does not play a vita part as of course it will post-fast.
I am also certain there is a great deal of merit in urine fasting as wateroflife has mentioned, so something we may all wish to explore. I still have reservations about drinking my own urine (or anyone elses for that matter !!) but wateroflife has convinced me otherwise.
Chrisb1.
- Re: No No No No No jude2005386
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This is a reply to # 1,943,397Auto Urine Therapy is ignored, hidden, and an absolute miraculous practice.
- Re: No No No No No jude2005386
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- Re: No No No No No ambler
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This is a reply to # 1,943,371ummmm
Did you just drop into this forum?
Maybe you need to read some Shelton.
Try this: http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.III/020127.ch2.htm
excerpt:
"Irwin Liek, noted German physician and surgeon, tells of instinctive fasting in three of his dogs. One of these had been run over by a truck which had broken several bones and injured it internally. The other had "devoured a considerable quantity of rat poison. It became very, very ill, suffered from diarrhea containing blood and pus" and "collapsed completely." The third lost an eye while "mixing it" with a cat. All three of these dogs fasted and recovered." - Re: No No No No No DesertLili 12 y 13,026
- Re: No No No No No DesertLili
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This is a reply to # 1,943,371... Sorry, somehow I pressed a wrong button.
Not to say that I am 100% sure on injury repair, if better when fasting. It is a subject, bringing a lot of anxiety in my mind, since this is my main source of suffering for the last 20 years.
First: resorting to rest, while still eating did NOT bring for me full recovery on most instances. I have ligament deficit in joints that I injured. Had I fasted, maybe I would have had better results.
Second: a Bulgarian pioneer in fruit fasting, Lydia Kovatcheva, broke a hip in her 70-ies. As a rule of thumbs, a bone heals for about the number of days corresponding to the age of a person. I.e. 15 year old will heal a bone in about 15 days, 70 y.o. - in about 70 days. Broken hips in "elderly" often NEVER heal. Lydia started a fruit fast "to healing", combined with bed rest. (The book does not give information if she had "spica" or other sort of immobilization; I assume she had). Her bone healed completely around day 26 ... Very impressive! It is noteworthy that she was on the lighter side of the scale before starting that fast. The pictures in her authored book show her as someone having BMI around 18-19. She had successfully cured lung tuberculosis in her 30-ies, a disease initially treated conventionally with mo results. She cured it with fruit and juice fasts.
I believe that Water Fast is a way to go for acute (and chronic) injuries. It is important to have the anatomical elements - bones and soft tissues - aligned, though, in order to induce healing in proper position. I.e. I recommend 1. X-rays and 2. good chiropractor, for signs of joint "subluxation" and "hypermobility - hypomobility complex" undetectable by X-rays.- Thanks, DesertLili - very helpful in... NH.is.Scientific
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- Re: Thanks, DesertLili - very helpfu... DesertLili
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This is a reply to # 1,943,707Anytime, smiles, NH!
I had been around all sorts of chiropractors, orthopedists, sport doctors, imagery, cast labs and what not.
Among supplements, shark cartilage had proven very beneficial while eating, more than Glucosamine-Chondroitin-Avosoy; MSM is good too. Useful are also vit D3-Calcium-Magnesium.
Freshly squeezed broccoli or cabbage juice - diluted in water/celery juice - recently had shown amazing benefits for joint recovery. I am testing Kombucha right now, but it is too early to report results.
- Re: Thanks, DesertLili - very helpfu... DesertLili
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- Thanks, DesertLili - very helpful in... NH.is.Scientific
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- Re: No No No No No chrisb1
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- Clear example of bad advice arn
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This is a reply to # 1,943,006This is a clear example of bad advice (in most of the comments).
The question was:
Quote: "I severely sprained my left ankle, I basically cant put any weight on it, so I will be out of commission at least for a couple weeks.
Will Water Fast will help speeding the healing process?"
The correct answer is no. Providing the body with the appropriate nutrition to heal the injury is best for healing. Starving the body of these nutrients will result in healing taking longer.
It is important to take the condition of the person into consideration when prescribing a treatment. Fasting is beneficial in certain situations. Some people assume that makes it beneficial in all situations. But it is not. You need to take the condition of the person into consideration.
I understand how people can think that way, as fasting is beneficial in other situations. These people have just not considered that this situation is difficult.
If you want to venture into the ridiculous, read the comment:
"If you drink a glass of urine the pain and swelling will reduce very markedly within about 15 mins."
All I can say is, this is ridiculous.
I know saying these things will not make me popular, but somebody needs to tell the truth.- Re: Clear example of bad advice Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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Dear arn,
I know you are sincere in what you have said and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Perhaps with such a controversial position, however, it would be helpful if you were to provide sources from fasting experts who agree with you. In the same way it would be helpful for the other side to provide similarly though i myself am not in a position to do so right now.
For another perspective to consider which does come from expert sources i have read, the nutrients we require throughout the fast are in place in the form of nutritional stores which can carry us through a long fast. We are not depriving or starving ourselves of nutrition when we fast, though this is a maximally held common misconception. Instead we are thriving off of these existing stores while making available a much higher level of our energies to be devoted to healing.
I don't know anything about urine fasting and i can safely say i have never tried it (because believe me i would remember), but i have read that there is no equal to the relief that comes from peeing on a jelly fish sting :*).
Warm regards.- Re: Clear example of bad advice arn
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This is a reply to # 1,943,793I know during a fast, the body can draw on nutritional stores in the body, but the nutrition is much less readily available compared to when having a good diet.
Fasting will result in slower healing of injuries.
I believe the majority of medical professionals will agree.
I think suggesting that fasting will result in faster healing of an ankle sprain, or other injuries, is actually the controversial position. It is bad advice.
I know fasting is beneficial in many other situations, but this is not one of them. When suggesting any form of treatment, you need to take the condition of the person into consideration.- arn..Re: Clear example of bad advice chrisb1
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This is a reply to # 1,943,818arn,
your comment.........
"I know during a fast, the body can draw on nutritional stores in the body, but the nutrition is much less readily available compared to when having a good diet".
A. This is complete nonsense of course, otherwise we would starve to death in a matter of days while fasting. Fasting is NOT starving.
Again.........
"Fasting will result in slower healing of injuries.
I believe the majority of medical professionals will agree".
A. Again this is just complete nonsense. Of course medical professionals would or might agree with this as they know next to nothing about the fast or the fasting process.
Again..........
"I think suggesting that fasting will result in faster healing of an ankle sprain, or other injuries, is actually the controversial position. It is bad advice.
A. Try telling that to Dr Fuhrman MD and see what he says. Also read this chapter thoroughly to educate yourself on what you have erroneously stated.............
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020127shelton.iii/020127.ch8.htm
Healing is only limited to the innate powers and vitality of the body, so for someone who is not enervated, they will heal much more quickly on a water-only-fast if of sufficient duration and allowing for the extent of the injury.
Healing always take place more quickly on a fast and the reason Hippocrates himself prescribed it widely.
Chrisb1.
- arn..Re: Clear example of bad advice chrisb1
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- Re: Clear example of bad advice arn
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- Re: Clear example of bad advice DesertLili
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This is a reply to # 1,943,775I find your comment unforgiving and overly critical.
Although, I am glad you started a discussion and it seems you help people in many forums here.
What is your experience in healing injuries?
What is your experience with fasting? Have you tried it "for more than one or two days at a time"?
I believe everyone here is to take whatever they judge best for themselves. Also no one claims to give professional advice, since in that case we would be charging/paying for them.
What is your advice as to which nutrients besides protein one needs? I sincerely would be interested to learn something I am not aware of yet ... BTW the body would use amino-acids not the actual proteins. In a difficult situations like this, no one says it is easy, sparing the body digestive work is essential. Which sources of amino acids do you recommend and what is your experience with these sources?
I believe, you can claim something to be ridiculous, if at least you have tried it for a good time length and not only it did not help you, but in fact harmed you. - Re: Clear example of bad advice wateroflife
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This is a reply to # 1,943,775I did tell the truth, done it enough times personally over 35 years.
You obviously know nothing, how can you say it is not the truth, how do you know?
You have absolutely no experience and yet you say it is not the truth!
Please stick to what you do know and I will do the same. - Expand 20 messages, 21 to 40 of 51 chrisb1
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- Re: Clear example of bad advice Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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- Re: severe ankle sprain, will water ... Mighty.Sun.Tzu
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